elampiro: [b] This alone is enough to end this argument. You are not even helping your argument.
All Shots Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box Rooney............... 84.........................73 Chicharito........... 6...........................41 Welbeck............. 14......................... 66 Berbatov............. 1...........................15
all of a sudden, elampawa has forgotten the bit where he disputed the figures cos he thought they were from all competitions. is this selective amnesia or digital blindness?
From your post above, it mean 51 out of Rooney's 73 shots from inside the box were from set plays he onverted from another players curve. This again shows that Rooney wouldnt even be in the box if not for his attempt to connect free kicks and crosses from other players like Giggs and Young.Nani.
don't be silly...... this was the era rooney deliberately used to stand at the edge of the box to attempt his ridiculous volleys from corner kicks - trying to score his wonder-goals. besides, 90% of those set pieces were direct freekicks from mr. rooney.
and you are still lying here you didn't dispute my figures or lied that i added all his shots in all competitions. you need spiritual deliverance.
I have already given you these stats s in the box below. You can see that Rooney's shot from outside the box shows he played as an AM.
no, it shows he played more minutes & shot more because he was the designated set piece taker. ronaldo had left & van persie hadn't arrived.
All Shots Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box Rooney............... 84.........................73 Chicharito........... 6...........................41 Welbeck............. 14......................... 66 Berbatov............. 1...........................15
(a) You said Chicharito had six shots from outside the box. (b) You said Chicharito had 10 shots from set piece.
i didn't say so.....statistics said so. chicharito had 10 shots from set pieces.
Coogar, pls can you explain hos this is possible? This is why I said your shots from set play stats are fraudulent.
whoscored is fraudulent? everything that doesn't go your way is fraudulent. unfortunately, we know who to believe. i would be damned to believe an elampawa that vowed he saw scholes/keane in 1999 final of the champions league.
elampiro: Coogar can you reconcile this? You see that your shots from set play has been fraudulent since yesterday? Chicharito had 6 shots outside of the box, then you said he had 10 shots from set pieces. Was he taking his set pieces from inside of the box?
chicharito had 6 shots outside the box... 10 shots from set piece(including 1 penalty kick) shots from set piece includes headers or shots he converted from another player's curved freekick or corner kick.
Lies, Ferguson did not buy Rooney for the purpose of scoring goals only. This wasnt his strongest quality before United bought him. Rooney was not even Everton top scorer across those two seasons before SAF bought him.
Rooney at Everton: Goals= 15 Assists= 17
So why do you think SAF bought him?
rooney was 16-18 @everton. it would be stupïd for anyone to think rooney would be bought for his record at that age. he was bought for the potential he might become especially after lighting up EURO 2004 where he scored 4 goals in 4 games.
sadly rooney never lived up to that potential!
How many away games did he play as the top striker?
he played about 10 league games as a top striker and he scored only 1 goal - it's a fücking disgrace!
Harvard13: yepa! pls dont compare ANYONE to messi biko not to talk of someone who isnt a guaranteed starter for argentina. his goals number aint even exciting
elampiro: This is a lie. Chicharito did not have 1.7 shot per game when taken down to 90 minutes played rather than the substitutions time he had. Substitution roles dropped Chicha's figures in both seasons.
The number of shots dont even tell the position of a player but the the zone where the shots were taken shows the position. Rooney and Chicha did not play in same Zone
1. Rooney took most of his shots from outside of the box as I have already shown. This meant his playing zone was different from Chichrito and Welbeck.
2. You brought shot from set plays for all competition to try to reduce Rooney's shots from outside of the box in the EPL games..
3. Even if we were to tow your line. It would mean Chicharito did not have any shot outside of the box.
1. All Shots Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box Rooney............... 84.........................73 Chicharito........... 6...........................41 Welbeck............. 14......................... 66 Berbatov............. 1...........................15
2. You refused to provide shots from set play for the EPL games only. However, I decided to prorate the figures you earlier provided for all competitions to isolate only for EPL.
Shots from open play. (Shots from set play deducted).
Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box Rooney............... 60.........................67 Chicharito........... 0...........................41 Welbeck............. 4......................... 66 Berbatov............. 0...........................13
This is clear indication that Rooney played in the hole while Chicharito and the other played in the number 9.
why are you arguing like an illiterate? firstly, you said rooney didn't take up to 157 shots that in the league that season even when his stats clearly showed he's having 4.6 shots per game. is 157/34 not 4.6?
you lied i had counted all the shots rooney took in other competitions which means you don't even have any idea about how statistics are compiled. you have no clue, you cannot even understand numbers so i am not sure you are intellectually mature enough to speak on this matter.
in 11/12 season..... rooney took 157 shots in 2839 mins chicharito took 47 shots in 1477 mins
of rooney's 157 shots, 84 were from outside the box, 14 in the 6-yard box & 59 from the penalty box.
of chicha's 47 shots, 6 were from outside the box, 12 in the 6-yard box & 29 from the penalty box.
rooney had double the number of minutes chicharito had & rooney had 51 extra shots from set piece to chicharito's 10. so how can you conclude rooney played behind when 1/3 of his shots were from freekicks outside the box?
But 'statistics' have shown that the more the shyte you show you can swallow, the more the shyte being thrown at you. Besides its kind of basic human nature to desire that which doesn't come easily to you.
How can one be acting like they believe they are not worth treating well and expect it to stop.
it doesn't work that way.... actually, results have shown her hubby is more likely to turn a new leaf with the attitude she's got. nothing kills a man's spirit than his wife doing the opposite of what is expected.
a man cheats - his wife catches him red handed and she refuses to talk about it or react negatively to it. it puts the hubby in a permanent state of paranoia.......and sometimes it's the kick in the arsë he needs to mend his ways.
i don't condone what her hubby is doing or has done - but i think she's handling it perfectly and conflict-free. one day, the penny would drop for the hubby or he gets his comeuppance. what goes around comes around.
Kimoni: True, everybody was born with a conscience but again, Mr Conscience is dead in many hearts
Coogar, whether you admit it or not, values are fast eroding from our society
I don't even know who cheats more these days between men and women, unrepentantly that is
And I maintain that the change to correct this has to come from men
And the first thing is to acknowledge that whatever is good for the goose must be good for the gander
The same set of rules must apply
Men cannot keep deluding themselves that they can get away with anything and everything and expect women to remain sober
men still have to take all the responsibility & as usual, women are the saints in this matter?
men aren't deluding themselves - we know women cheat more from time immemorial. what is shocking is the way women act all saintly & righteous in the public eye & then do something completely opposite in the dark.
cococandy: You think begging and crying for someone who treats you bad will make him stop? It never does. It only gives him more power to do worse.
You've to decide what you want. To be respected in the marriage or just sex. What do you even want the sex for? Do you know who his numerous girlfriends are sleeping with on the side? You want to join the bodies hosting and transporting pathogens around the world.
Anyway they will say I don come again. So let me stop here.
In summary, treat the disease not the symptom. Him not wanting sex with you anymore is not the disease. It is the symptom of a bigger issue that you guys need to work on.
Maybe you're now like a sister to him. Because only a sister will not care or be jealous about the other ladies her brother chooses to sleep with. You're not sexually attractive anymore to him and part of that (among other possible things) stems from the fact that you tolerate his misbehavior and beg for affection and forgiveness even when he should be the one doing that. You're not a doormat. Stop acting like one.
If I was a man, I wouldn't fvkc a chic that acts like that too.
sweetmuah: Hmmmm,we have been married for 5years and our union is blessed with a 4years old boy. Before we got married,he was all over me doing everything to please me but everything changed immediately I move into his house. He started having affair cos I do check his phone atimes and hv seen him proposing to different ladies lying to them that he's still single. Am not even bothered about that. But I love sex so much becos am a romantic person and I love that kind of sex that involves deep kiss(hv made him know that I love to kiss). This man stopped kissing me and make love to me without any romance,he always do it like am forcing him. He's a 5minutes man and can only do thrice in a month. Am 29 and still fresh and pretty. I dnt want to cheat on him but he said I can't force him to do what he don't want. Pls I need mature advise cos I do masturbate atimes
why don't you kiss him instead of expecting him to always break the ice? he's your husband - you should go get anything you want from him. it's one of your fundamental conjugal rights.
when your hubby wants sex, he comes to you to get it. if you need to kiss him, apply his method. get it from him without asking. trust me, he's not going to push you away.
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.(emphasis on anyone)
Let's even say I agree with physical gender superiority, we are still going to be judged by the same set of rules ultimately.
But unfortunately, girls are not waiting for judgement these days, the bug has bitten them and they are beating men in their own game
I'll find it hard to blame such women if men still have that mentality that "it's okay just because I am a man"
nah! we are going to be judged by our conscience. what governs you is completely different from what governs me. if you do something evil & your conscience questions your action, you shall be judged......and that's the way it is!
This belief is really the genesis of this messed up game
What or who is nature? God or humans?
I know God is definitely not partial, so humans must be "nature"
Men need to re-evaluate themselves and realize there are no two set of rules anywhere
No matter how long it takes, the chicken must come home to roost
God is partial. He never hid his bias towards the isrealites. as for gender superiority, it was all settled in eden. it says your husband(man) shall rule over you.
lilspiceyy: Love isn't just enough the aftermath is wat is important my sis. Cos I am facing the aftermath of my parent's union. Here is my story:
my dad is from west while mum is from the east, they fell in love and had both my 4 kids (my younger ones and 1) and 17 Yrs after marriage in 2002, I lost my dad and that wen things took a Good TURN( I like to call it dat way) dad secretly married someone from his tribe and hid it from my mum tho we got to knw before his death bt we weren't acknowledged by my dad's pple.
They always call us the OMO IBOs and in the end isolated themselves from us and made life difficult for us. Mum cldnt bear it anymore and died of HBP in 2007 leaving me (19 year old girl) behind with 3 younger ones they never came to her burial not even a baby from my dad's hometown! She was eventually buried in her hometown and mum's pple puts the blame on us cos we are our father's children.
But God has been faithful and never left us! We are doing very well bt that hatred is still there... that scar....is difficult to erase. Moreover, we left the house to stay with my mum's only sis after mum's death and the house was sold in our absence by my dad's younger brother who claimed took all my dad's properties.
Although, I don't totally hate the pple from the west bt.... i wldnt want to marry from the west cos I have seen 2 pple go tru same issues and it wasn't easy at all. we the kids are really facing the aftermath of inter-tribal marriage honestly.
you don't totally hate but you partially hate? see - the whole outcome depends on the individuals involved. if the man & the woman put up a united front against their detractors, they would overcome.
weedtaker: when we sign veron, pogba no reach am.. And wetin even de give u hope say man.united go sign pogba? Me no fancy de guy sef
pogba is a good player.... we dropped a ball letting him go & extending the contracts of giggs/scholes. our transfers & key decisions since carlos queiroz left have been pathetic.
i have no doubt in my mind that he's the key reason we won in europe that season. he addressed fergie's blindspot by making sure we got hargo & anderson that season.
raumdeuter: Go to youtube and look for clips for any of the players I mentioned Lamela, Immobile Cerci Giovinco etc. You wont hesitate to empty your inheritance to buy them
dybala is just 21! he already possesses the football grain of aguero, suarez & messi put together. the weight of his passes & the vision alone is worth more than £40m.
lamela is crap! immobile is decent. giovinco is above average. none of them has the guile of dybala....this is the most exciting youngster i have seen since messi in 2005.
raumdeuter: By this time next season we would be here to see what you have to say about him. After seeing several attackers from Italy fail, I would put a 60% discount on any of them
The same way Atletico Madrid blew their money on Cerci last season to discover he is another in the long list of Serie A attacking frauds
raumdeuter: I would be very careful getting ANY attacking talent from Italy. They are mostly scams
Check Cavani, Immobile, Iturbe, Whats the name of this Spurs guy that only does Rabonas on the field? even Lavezzi and Pastore have been underwhelming after spending millions on them, even Insigne has been found to be very overrated. And guess what happened to the perenial talent Giovinco who has been a mercurial talent for almost a decade? He now plays in Canada!!
Infact 38yr old Lucatoni is the highest goal scorer in Italy as we speak
dybala is better than any striker in germany. this is not an exaggeration. he's got everything. the only issue is if he can survive in a physical league like EPL.
Harvard13: im not a rooney fan but coogar just stop hating. someone playing behind a top striker with rooneys stats is good. deduct d set peice not add and ur talk of rebounds are funny. u dont bliv because his stats but u should
it woulda been good if rooney was taking £50k per week. it's a fraud if he's taking £300k/week. is ronaldo a striker? even messi didn't play as a centre forward entirely this season - look at his stats.
when you have to consider a players position, height, weight, weak foot, weather, surface area of his forehead, etc before you analyst his goal stats then that player isn't good enough.
the position rooney plays should not affect his shot accuracy.
elampiro: 1. Your figures are even wrong. My figures there are only EPL apearances while yours are all competition. Pls restrict it to EPL. 2. Even if I were to adopt your bogus figures.... This means Rooney had 35 shots from set play. That leaves him with 49 from outside the box. Chicharito has just 6 shots from outside the box. Using even this fraudulent figures of yours, Rooney will end up with 52% of his shots inside the box while Chicha has 83%. 3. On your other points: (a) How can we add Rooney's free kick to Chicha's, we rather deduct all set plays. If you add them to Chicha's own, then you also have to multiple Chicha's shots from inside the box in correlation to the number of minutes Rooney played. Because if Chicharito had played same number of minutes as Rooney, and taken all the penalties, his shot inside the box would more than double. That is, Chicha had 41 from inside the box with just 1477 minutes, which means if he played 2839 minutes he would have (41 x 1.92213) = 79 shots from inside the box from Chicharito. Add 8 Rooney's penalty you mentioned= 87 shots for Chicha inside the box. Lastly you will take Chicha's set play and add them to Rooney's figures outside the box. When you streamline your set plays figure to the EPL only I will easily work this out for you. Helo guy? 4. So Ozil was bought with 40 million to create 9 Assists? Did you realize that Rooney scored 17 goals? See you tonight or tomorrow latest.
you are just writing epistles - how come rooney mansged 4.6 shots per game while chicharito managed just 1.7 shots per game? even in the debut season of chicharito when he was the most prolific, his shots per game was just 2.
how is rooney finding the magic to shoot almost 5 times per game from a withdrawn position. rooney is the most unselfish player in the world. he would pass the ball if his strike partner is in a better position......so how did his stats rack that high on shots & yet he had a very low assist from the hole?
elampiro: If I were not on this thread, Coogar would brainwash people to the point that some could go on suicide mission to kill Rooney. They won't mind if they were dead as long as Rooney is either ddad or incapacitated. Bin Laden is no better brainwasher than Coolieguy-Tortoise.
I never was a huge fan of Rooney before I came here. I knew I liked Rooney, Nani, Anderson. Somewhat I think I had my backing for Nani than anyone else in United. My younger brother went to watch all Portugal's matches in Euro 2012 just to see Nani, secondly to see CR7. He sent me lots of messages stating how he was happy to see him do those things we loved him for in TV. Both of us exchange happy messages and calls about Nani's games and dribblings in EUro 2012. Although I have another brother who stopped liking Nani after 2011/2012 season.
After joining this thread and I saw way back how Rooney was so much hated, over time I took him as my guy. Many other players Coogar hype or over love, I smash them too. Coogar and I can never be in the same team.
all this one na epistle to the ephesians. fact remains rooney is a fraud!
elampiro: This is vague. Please write like the Coogar we know.
lol.
1. Are you saying Rooney took 35 set plays outside the box? Then Chicharito took 9 set plays outside the box? How possible when Chicha had only 6 shots from outside the box?
rooney took 157 shots in total.... 102 were from open play 43 were from set plays and 8 were penalties.
2. Even if that were to be true? Did you include corner kicks?
corner kick isn't a shot, it's a cross.
3. Even if Rooney had 35 set plays deducted, he is still a zillion miles ahead of Chicharito who had just 6 shots. Helo?
we are talking about percentages..... instead of having 43 set plays deducted, you should add them to chicha's number or welbeck's number. some of the penalties rooney took were also from 2 shots(the ones that had a rebound).
If I dont have time to reply now, pls bear with me.
take your time...... i still don't see how you can argue a striker that had 4.6 shots per game played in the hole when the ones you claim were in the CF position had less than half of rooney's shots per game. it doesn't add up!
elampiro: Ozil was bought for 40 million to cope 9 Assist? Now we know who the fraudsters in EPL are.
Rooney scored 17 goals lasts season and provided 10 Assists in a weak team. Yet they blame him.
rooney 10 assists in 2448 mins mesut had 9 assists in 2150 mins
elampiro: So Ozil was bought to make Assists for 40 million pounds, yet Rooney beats him in Assists last season- if I remember well 'cos I didnt check? Here you are there complaining that Rooney is over paid? our hypocrisy is alarming.
Let me get it down to you, if Rooney was meant not to Assists as you say, and then he went on to beat such players like Coutinho, Ozil, Carzola and Mata in Assists, then Rooney is worth his pay. In 2012/2013 Rooney defeated Mata, Carzola etc in Assists provided per minutes played. He has nearly 100 Assists in EPL alone with 187 goals. Yet Ozil was bought for 40 million just to provide Assists? Then Rooney is worth 500k/week.
rooney has 100 assists in 13 EPL seasons. it's not even up to 8 league assists per season.
did ozil not cop 9 assists last season? what's the biggie about rooney's 100 league assists?
elampiro: [b]1. 2011/12 season. Shots from inside and outside the box.
Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box Rooney............... 84.........................73 Chicharito........... 6...........................41 Welbeck............. 14......................... 66 Berbatov............. 1...........................15
This says it all. Rooney played in the hole. 83% of Chicharito's shots were from inside the box. 82% of Welbeck's shots were from inside the box. 93% of Berba's shots were from inside the box. Only 46% of Rooney's shots were from inside the box.
2. Further Breakdown. Name.........Outside the box......Inside the penalty area.....Inside the six yard box Rooney............... 84.........................59.............................14 Chicharito........... 6...........................29............................ 12 Welbeck............. 14......................... 57..............................9 Berbatov............. 1...........................13..............................2
Now look at Rooney shots from inside the 6 yard box. Rooney played a whole 2839 minutes and had just 14 shots inside the 6 yard box. Chicharito played only 1477 and had 12 shots inside the box, almost as Rooney had. [/b]
3. Shots outside of the box in 2011/2012 Rooney = every 33.8 mins Chicharito= every 246.2 mins Welbeck = every 144 minutes (Welbeck played on the wings too which boosted his shot outside the bix but nothing near Rooney's figure) Berbatov= every 513 mins.
I will be back later. This says it all that Rooney played in the hole. Yori Yori.
this is a fraudulent statistics! rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:24pm On May 29, 2015
