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montelik:
^^ I really hope SAF isn't swayed by such sentiment. If Fletcher is not ready, then he shouldn't start and take d place of someone who has earned it, simply cos of sentiment. I heard that his performance in d Manchester senior cup midweek showed he is still a way off from being ready. I expect SAF to give every chance to prove his readiness to start, but I also expect him to bench him if he isn't ready rather than let sentiment cloud his judgement. See where sentimental selections got us in Rome.

who would you rather have ahead of fletcher in the whole of man utd to do the destroyer job? ryan giggs?

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=567773.msg8366016#msg8366016 date=1305984304]I personally think Fletcher has zero chance of starting the CL Final. No way his fitness and match sharpness will be ready for a match of that magnitude.[/quote]what makes you think fletcher hasn't been playing indoor football @ carrington all these weeks. have you forgotten he featured against schalke, played a reserves game weeks ago? if he completes 90 mins tomorrow without issues, i expect him to start against barcelona. if he has been training at full pelt in the last fortnight, then i will expect him to play in wembley. besides, there's no chance fergie will leave fletcher(a fellow scot) out of the champions league final for the 3rd time. 08, 09 and now 11? no way in hell.

AjanleKoko:
Which is the 3rd league? He was a 16 year old at Benfica, mind you. How did he prove himself there?

He played his best football in England obviously. That was where he won the league, Carling Cup, Champions League, European Golden Shoe, and Ballon D'Or.

He has only won the Copa Del Rey in 2 years at Madrid, a cup that was won by Sevilla last year. He is in line for the Pichichi and European Golden Shoe. So he has only started to win stuff in Spain. You could technically say that he is just beginning to prove himself there

National team? He has won nothing yet, while Messi at least has the U-21 trophy and Olympic Gold.

so scoring 85 goals in 88 appearances for real madrid is "beginning to prove himself in la liga"? you messi fan-boys are a disgrace to football punditry.

debosky:

You're lucky I've repented else I would have spewed the most venal invectives on your balding hitler-resembling head. 

do so at your own peril.

What are these 'key' passes? Secondly, Chamakh's fewer appearances is a major reason he's lower on the goal scoring charts than he should be.

key passes are the passes that should have assisted another team-mate scoring a goal. if the team-mate scores the goal, it becomes an assist but if the team-mate fluffs his chance then the pass is forgotten, regardless of the quality of the pass. for instance, wilshere's pass to bendtner @ camp nou is a key pass. because bendtner being a useless striker prevented that pass from becoming a goal-assist. in other words a key pass bears more importance than the goal-assist. swap bendtner for chicharito in that same position, same circumstance then wilshere woulda gotten a goal-assist. get it now?

You keep changing goalposts - are we looking at relative contributions or absolute contributions? If relative, then Gyan made a larger contribution. But in terms of individual performances (which is where this discussion started) Chamakh can be argued to have done as well if not better as Gyan, especially when you factor in his CL performances.

either relative or absolute, gyan has been better than chamakh. are we going to factor champions league performances(a competition gyan never played)? how do you twunts reason? keep it in the premier league. sunderland faced the same 19 opponents arsenal faced - that is a fair way to look at it. forget the champions league. gyan made more contribution as a player to his club than chamakh. sunderland struggled without gyan. arsenal were better off without chamakh. that is the difference.

dipo2much:
Gyan was a monumental success. Funny how people just make statements to 'hit' points in a non-argument. Sunderland broke their buying record to buy Gyan, who scored 10 goals. Osaze came to west brom for far less than †нє about £13M paid for Gyan And scored far more goals for Gyan. Now, if Gyan, considering †нє amount paid for him And †нє goals he scored, is 'monumental' then what adjective will we use to describe Osaze?

stop embarrassing yourself on a public forum. sunderland paid 16.5 million for darren bent. so how's gyan's 13 million signing a club record? now let's compare osaze to gyan.

osaze(15 league goals in 2682 mins) . . . . .1 goal every 190.8 mins
asamoah(10 league goals in 1926 mins). . . .1 goal every 192.6 mins

the difference is not as much as you claim especially when odemwingie scored a couple of penalties to rack 15 goals and gyan has been injured for weeks now. the closing stage of the season would have brought out the best in gyan as it has favoured osaze in the past few weeks.

afrodoc:
i tink our line up should be VDS in goal.
Fabio at rytback ;i tink Rafeal is more skilled bt fabio is calmer n less likely to get an early yellow or even red.
Evra at leftback;form hs bin poor of late bt he is still d best we hv
Rio n Vida at CB(of course)
a midfield trio of carrick,anderson n fletcher.carrick's job would b to protect the D infront of d 18 yard box n keep dt place too crowded for messi n iniesta's runs from deep. fletcher is to stick xavi like glue and stop him gettin tym on d ball.anderson is to b d extra man to mop up n launch our counterattacks which i tink will b crucial,also he can gt into busquets space cos i tink busquet is d key to d way barca play.
rooney as lone striker wit valencia wide ryt n park wide left.park doesnt nid to come infield like usual,he must stick to alves who is barca's emergency attack outlet wheneva things r tight in a match.
for our counters to work valencia n rooney should stay as far forward as POSSIBLE wit valencia hugging d ryt touchline
SUBS will b Lindegaard(i cant trust dat Pole with anything) ,Oshea (cos he can fill at least 4 positions),smalling,giggs,nani,,berbatov and scholes

the only flaw i see in your line-up is you excluded chicharito on your bench. apart from that, the starting line-up is 100% flawless. if we play carrick, anderson and fletcher in the midfield plus valencia and js park supporting rooney, we will murk barcelona.

duduspace:
so what is new in this information? have you posted the equivalent loss that Chelsea and Manure made in the same period? 
you are quick to write that Arsenal made a loss of 2.5m when the companies they compete against have the following results:

Man United made a loss of 83.6m in their final year results:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1411673_manchester_united_owners_make_1089m_loss

Chelsea made a loss of 70m in their final year results despite doing a double and that was before the 70m they spent on Torres and Luiz:
http://andersred..com/2011/02/chelsea-200910-results-spin-and-red-ink.html

The financial results for this year will soon be out and Arsenal will be in the blue once again.

this statistics actually proved wenger is a useless manager. the financial accounts of chelsea/man utd show the 2 clubs are struggling with either debts(man utd) and low revenue|(chelsea) in comparison to a much healthier arsenal and yet the struggling clubs continue to win titles and arsenal have not won a dime in six seasons.

duduspace:
I can't wait for this FFP thingie to come into play sef, I wonder if UEFA can walk their talk, if they do, a club like Chelsea would be a very good scape goat to start with as they would require something near a freeze in spending over the next three years if they are to meet the requirements when enforcement starts in 2014, Manure are steadily reining in their spending.

i doubt you understand the ffp scheme. the bench-mark is wages/turnover ratio which even puts united ahead of arsenal in the last forbes report.

debosky:
If this contribution is so notable, why isn't it evident in the assists table?

assist stats can be misleading sometimes. if a midfielder lays the same quality of pass for messi and chamakh, he will get more goal assists from messi and fewer goal assists from chamakh. goal assists is highly dependent on the player putting the ball at the back of the net. however, there's statistics for goal assists and there's statistics for key passes. david silva posted 64 key passes in the league. more than any arsenal player and that includes cesc(61) nasri(56) wilshere(56) arshavin(40).

http://www.premierleague.com/page/PlayerProfile/0,,12306~44199~2009,00.html

http://www.premierleague.com/page/PlayerProfile/0,,12306~28517~2009,00.html

My bad actually - they have the same shots to goals ratio - I mixed that up with shots on target to total shots ratio where Chamakh comes out better.

My point still remains - if Gyan is rated a success, Chamakh was a success as well.

you are a fat fool indeed. . . . . .you are comparing sunderland's output as a team to arsenal's?

chamakh scored 7 league goals of arsenal's total of 70 league goals.(10% contribution)
asamoah scored 10 league goals of sunderland's total of 42 league goals((24% contribution) and we should follow your lead that asamoah and chamakh were on the same level?

of arsenal's 233 total shots on target, chamakh contributed just 21 of them.(9% contribution)
of sunderland's 142 total shots on target, asamoah contributed 24 shots on target.(17% contribution)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rankings/4949054/Premier-League-Statistics.html

debosky has to be the fattest tool in the sports section. asamoah was a monumental success, chamakh was a gigantic failure.

HNIC:
Believe it or not
But. . . . Chamakh had 7 league goals this season and only 1 was via his head(Wolves away)
The other 6 were not scored with his chest or shoulders,he used his 'weak' feet

so you believe chamakh had a better season than asamoah gyan? seriously?

HNIC:
a huge chunk of those shots on targets were actually backpasses

have you seen chamakh's shots before? marouane's feet are very weak. he takes them more feeble than a 2 yr old attempting to kick the ball.

debosky:
You've started megedefegede again. How many games did MC start in comparison to Gyan or Silva?

you want to compare the contributions of silva and gyan in their respective teams to chamakh's spineless effort this season? you are still a tool.

Besides by what measure did Silva have a better individual performance this season (winning FA Cup aside of course)? Despite playing more games than MC, he made only 9 assists compared to MC's 6 and scored 4 goals compared to 7 in the league for Chamakh.

david silva is city's best player. chamakh is an out n out striker. comparing him to silva that plays wide is the reason i think you are a tool. silva is the brain behind city's attacking play. i am not a city fan but silva's debut season is miles better than chamakh's.

Gyan scored 10 goals compared to Chamakh's 7 in the league, but he started more games. In terms of shot to goals ratio, Chamakh comes out higher.

shots to goals ratio? this mumu won't stop opening his gob.

asamoah(10 league goals, 24 shots on target)
chamakh(7 league goals, 21 shots on target)

chamkakh comes out tops indeed, fat fool!

HNIC:
and who says Chamakh won't win silverware before He returns to his mansion in Casablanca?
Are you a seer?
This is our last trophyless year.
Chamakh will win trophies before leaving Arsenal

una don start again, huh?

HNIC:
Trust you to change from individual players to the entire TEAM
What did these players contribute to the wins?
Looking at your list below.
What has Gyan,Suarez and Torres won in England?

i am talking about the examples you listed as big flops, not the ones i listed.

shevchenko, morientes and forlan won titles, didn't they?

HNIC:
How about:
Shevchenko,
Morientes
Forlan
Much bigger names that flopped in the EPL

it begs the question. . . . .why are flops attracted to arsenal?

all the names above won titles in england, are you aware of that?

dipo2much:
How often do u see newcomers do so well in their first season? Chicarito's is just a one-off. Was chicarito †нє only newcomer striker this season?

berbatov
van nistelrooy
luis suarez
fernando torres
david silva
asamoah gyan

dayokanu:
I bet this is Chicharitos 17th season in EPL

16th.