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dademola: wen messi wins a golden boot, he neva scores 38% of his goals against valladolid and almeria at d camp nou in meaningless 5-0 and 7-1 victories.....d same way ronaldo doesnt do so in 6-1 and 8-0 victories against sporting gijon and elche. Bros, Instead of these videos,biko show us d one we wanna see; BERBA'S PK AGAINST EVERTON IN D FA CUP!!

then you don't follow la liga...
there are only 2-3 quality teams in la liga. the others are pants. messi/ronaldo score more than 80% of their goals against shyte teams.

dayokanu: Rooney says Hi

rooney had a clear view of the target. berba didn't even see the goal. the mental image was in his head. he faced united's goal as he brought the ball down & he still found the target with virtually no back lift at all. how did berba generate the power to whip that into the net?

dademola: if u like, u can say he takes penalties betta dan these players. Dts ur own opinion. D truth still remains, and cant be erased; BERBA scored so many goals dt season?? FACT! HOW? BY SCORING 38% OF HIS GOALS IN ONLY 2 GAMES!! Against wich teams?? BLACKBURN AND BIRMINGHAM!! Where?? AT OLDTRAFFORD!!

messi, ronaldo, RVP have scored more than 80% of their total goals against bottom sides. fact remains when rooney was acting the fool, berbatov became a one-man terror and destroyed every opponent placed before him.

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look at the tekkers.
rooney did everything to distract berba by jumping like a monkey - but trust berba to calm the situation & produce a technique yet to be seen in the deeper sanctum of old trafford....

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Ibime: Which match did Lukaku play this season

If Jose has African sense, he must know Eto got VAT onhis age and cannot give him the same performance at Intermilan, so keep Lukaku around

comparing torres to lukaku is like comparing mourinho to moyes at top level. torres has the reputation to justify his starts, lukaku had nothing. he's a rookie, torres cost £50m. jose could get the sack for leaving a £50m asset on the bench.

dademola: no sane coach wlda allowed berba take penalty kicks for his team, considering d one he took against everton. Anyways, As at d end of dt season, 38% OF HIS GOALS WERE SCORED IN 2 MATCHES AGAINST MEDIOCRE TEAMS AT IN OLDTRAFFORD!!

except that he took 2 penalties for us in 11/12 season and scored with aplomb. he took penalties for fulham last season too & scored every one of them. surely, SAF & martin jol are insane, aren't they?

berbatov's penalty hit rate is better than rooney, ronaldo, messi, lampard, etc.

Ibime: Fear of strengthening Arsenal with Demba Ba na wetin make Chelsea loan out Lukaku? Pure comedy!

if he is at chelsea, he will not play like he's doing at goodison. this has been highlighted for years now. ba was scoring freely at newcastle but he's pants at chelsea. same as torres, sturridge, etc.

if falcao moves to chelsea, he would be lucky to score 12 league goals by may.

coded guy: Damn, even everton looking like title contenders.

This season is really gonna be unpredictable. With arsenal at d top and we all know how they capitulate at the crucial month will give other teams hope, Mourinho and chelsea seem not to have found their feet but still maintaining a reasonable level on the table, spurs looking like they will make top 4, suarez and sturridge proving to be a deadly combo etc.

We are watching!

they have stuck to the same tactical approach & team selection and they are winning with it. moyes on the other hand does not even know when to rotate. he plays rio in every game but leaves evra & rafael out out of the squad.

dademola: bros.. Berba scored 20 goals dt season;a whopping 8 of dem came in 7-1 and 5-0 wins against lowly blackburn and birmingham AT OLDTRAFFORD!! Hw else can afrodoc clear ur doubt again??

i am sure he scored 21 league goals that season in 11 different games out of 24 starts. if he was a penalty/freekick taker, you know he would have scored in another 3-5 games. making it scoring in 16 different games in 24 starts.

berbatov was born to do it....

coded guy: Everton really playing like our former united team.

Gary neville saying player will leave before Moyes to me means mediocrity will be thrown outta door. Even the so called avarege players will go. Hope the assist that I believe can help Moyes is being proffered.

Is salvaging the season realistic?

neville is just saying moyes is here to stay. there's bobby charlton & sir alex in that boardroom & they would give moyes the full backing unless he resigns himself. in a nutshell, some players would leave before moyes does.....moyes is here for 6 years...

lukaku gets his brace, tim howard assist!

dademola: y u still dey reason d matter? Afrodoc has shown us hw useless berba's goals were......

afrodoc only managed to tie himself in more tortuous knots.... there are only 30 points to be won against top sides in the league & 84 points to be won against the ones you guys brand as "bottom sides". you can lose all your matches against the top sides & still win the league....

i am happy this boy has been found. there was a rumour he was used for ritualism some months ago......

what a goal by lukaku....
see smart wing play - there was a time we used to play like this. funny how times have changed.

dopeJemi: his technique, his style of play, just cuz he didn't go far in europe doesn't mean he is not a good coach, what qualities don't u see in him??

solskjaer & roy keane are better than mancini

chamotex: Gary Neville " Players will leave before Moyes"

With sir Bobby on the board, coupled with Fergie and Gill still on the board - Moyes is not going anywhere soon.

Coogar are you watching MNF?

did you see the stats neville showed after we scored the equaliser? i never knew we were that bad. west brom annihilated us in every aspect of the game. this is the worst we have played in my lifetime at old trafford.

chamotex: This is not even an argument...whether they played the big guns or not...the game was irrelevant. A totally meaningless game which was my point initially.

however, the point still stands - some certain teams are not the same in the absence of some key players.

chamotex: We can turn it around but how quickly? With the way things are going it doesn't seem like it would be any time soon.

he needs to replicate the performance we showed against swansea in the next 4-5 games. we have to beat arsenal now to stay close to the teams in the pole position.

Especially with the comments he has made over the past few weeks. During the summer, he claimed he was happy with his squad...8 weeks later, they are not good enough. That is a sack-able offence for me.

moyes talks an awful too much....
he should let his assistant do some of the talking for him. i can win the league with this squad. moyes must go back to the basics by choosing the right players. once we rediscover the winning ways then he can start tweaking bit by bit...

I agree Fergie is partly to blame.
Fergie actually over-achieved with this squad lets be honest. His man management and the ability to motivate his players were key factors. Moyes doesn't seem to possess any of these...at least not with this gibberish we are witnessing.

fergie left the squad with a big void in the midfield. moyes must have known about united's midfield - it's an open secret. why didn't he do something during the window to plug the gap?

the second offence is the fact that fergie handpicked moyes when there are more competent managers out there. only jose can fill fergie's shoes. at least, get him to stay 3 years while giggs, neville, scholes rush through their coaching career and then take over by 2016/17.

StarBoard: I mentioned the Rio thing a week ago.
Plain stupidity to continue playing Rio like he was 25. Especially when everyone and their dog knows he's had back issues and has been managed and wrapped in cotton wool.
His decisionmaking has been suspect ever since day one. That is why I am not backing him to deliver or giving him the benefit of doubt when he fails to beat big sides.
Because he will never come good if he can not identify and effectively pursue a decent transfer target without paying over the odds or if he continues saying the rubbish he is spewing.
He started his failures by axingthe backroom staff in favour of his parapo.
Phil Neville without a coaching badge or any kind of coaching experience is an assistant at Manchester United.
Things you wouldnt even hear about at Okomu Oil, let alone read about at.
There are so many reasons why the dude is no fit to carry training balls at carrington, let alone be in charge of United.
Selection/tactics=0
Now you crucify your own players in the media. But you had 2months to strengthen the side. Instead you purchased an iroko tree for nearly 4 yes its value.
Idiot.ot

he can turn it around & we are lucky the main challengers are slumbering too. arsenal & spurs don't scare me. i only care about city & chelsea....and we are not too far from mourinho & pellegrini.

that being said, i think united would stick with moyes for at least a season. if he doesn't make the top four then the glazers would have him sacked. our business model relies on the awoof money the champions league gives us.

i am at crossroads here. moyes either wins it outrightly & keep his job or finish lower than 3rd & get sacked. what i wouldn't want is for him to finish 2nd or 3rd and give us a false hope that he's competent.

i think SAF must take some blame here too...

debosky: Irrelevant. Winning or losing made zero difference to the league table. That is the very definition of meaningless. I see we're clutching at straws again.

you are talking nonsense....
an irrelevant game wouldn't have city's big guns on the pitch at the same time trying to save face.

A few days ago it was the easy fixtures of those ahead of you, now it's supposedly something else.

the tough fixtures contributed to the horrible results in the first 5 games. SAF wouldn't have done better in those games. however, losing to west brom at home is another matter entirely.

I'm taking bets on DM parking the bus against Shakhtar.

he rested players for this game - he will be going for a win.

chamotex: Please don't give me irrelevant games when the title had already been decided.
Saturday's loss was not an irrelevant last game of the season.

irrelevant? have you seen the line up? city losing the title should have spiked them to at least end the season with a victory on their own soil. they had tevez, toure, nasri, dzeko, etc. the calvary(aguero & david silva) were also brought on as early as the 50th minute when the game was 1-1.

dademola: cooger.we both knw if u need to upload a video of an incident in d 1966 worldcup just to prove a point, u'd gladly do so. Upload d pk and let d world see why berba cldnt hav been taking penalties for us.

i am done with this argument....
even if berba had touched the ball with his hand to score a penalty, it still doesn't suggest he's poor at it. he only missed once in a red shirt. rooney has missed about 8.

debosky: Did you think RVP would continue without injuries indefinitely? That's what I call blind optimism.

if he is going to be injured, it shouldn't be muscular injuries while on a treadmill. that is a poor training regime.

Moyes is a learner at this level - he has more players than he has ever had and is struggling to understand how best to combine them. He's also struggling with learning how to plan for multiple competitions while turning out teams able to do the job on the day.

at 50 years of age?
what a sensible learner should have done is to study fergie's blueprints extensively. look at the pattern fergie used to select teams especially the old players(rio, vidic, giggs, evra, etc)

That's what killed him on Saturday - the team was neither here nor there, probably because he was thinking about the next CL game. By the time WB struck, the team just couldn't respond.

he named a poor team, a daft bench and equally idiotic substitutions.

Talking down your squad is quite foolish though. . . .the same squad you claimed you were happy to go into the season with (even with no additions)??

fergie should take some of the blame too. he continuously lied he wouldn't be part of the recruitment process when he retires. if moyes wasn't a fellow scot, he wouldn't have been chosen by fergie. this is nepotism at it's best.

Someone should take the microphone away from this guy before he talks himself out of a job.

with fergie's backing, there's no chance....

dademola: upload both pks, and lets see. Y r u finding it so difficult to do this one, wen u readily upload videos to support ur arguements?

that incident was 08/09. my gif archive cannot travel that further behind. one thing is clear though - berba has only missed one penalty for us and that does not suggest he's poor at it like you keep telling us.

[quote author=Mr_TA]Obviously the results and performances aren't good, but I'm still prepared to give Moyes time to sort it.

Still back him to succeed unless we finish outside the top 4 this season.[/quote]he can't sort it - he's a püssy....
i really hope he resigns himself cos even when you look at the off-the-pitch decisions, moyes has been found bereft of common sense.

why did he give rooney the captain's armband after rooney's flirtatious antics with chelsea? the rooney love-in is a massive disgrace. his pre/post match interviews have been terrible.

he actually told the media his players are not good enough to win in europe - and yet he's the same slow coach that messed up during the transfer window.

chamotex: So tell me when Citeh lost at the Etihad to a mid table team without Kompany

they lost 2-3 to norwich last season @ etihad.

StarBoard: I'm wondering if Moyes isn't stage-msnaging this collapse in order to bring inhis ttype of players. The burlesque, tractor-driving type.

The sooner he is gotten rid of, the better for us. He has no business at the helm of arguably the worlds biggest sports franchise.

he's gotten all the big decisions wrongly. sacking SAF's entire backroom staff was one of those big decisions. rene meulesteen & eric steele are wonderful trainers with a wealth of experience. moyes replaced them with quacks from everton.

the 2nd concern for me is his atrocious training regime that has given van persie 2 muscular injuries. van persie had gone injury-free for 2.5 years until moyes' military-grade training.

the 3rd concern is rio. moyes kept playing rio at 35 in every game - this was the same rio that refused a national call-up because of his specialised training methods that made rio the best defender only last season.

chamotex: Which still proves my point that they are not good enough.
Or why are they in the squad?
So if the twins and Evra gets injured...Manchester United should forfeit the game?

if twins & evra gets injured then we are in trouble just like city are without kompany or real madrid without ronaldo.

our creativity is on the flanks - we have won 5 league titles in 7 seasons with a below average midfield but the wing play gets us through.

dademola: cooger oo. Pls upload ooo, and let pple judge.

upload what again?
berbatov missed a penalty. he attempted a trick that failed to work. RVP's first penalty for us was a miss too & he attempted the same trick so why is berba being demonised?

BinghiNya: does he offer more than wazza. United has been before RVP and would always be

kagawa offers more than rooney, never mind van persie. we lost against west brom because once again, rooney couldn't sort his head after west brom's 2nd goal.

i cannot count the number of times rooney lost the ball. his first touch was abysmal & he failed to find any opening that kagawa was finding in spite of kagawa operating from the wide areas.

BinghiNya: coogar stop deluding yourself, rooney is. United's best player. His presence alone adds to our opponents fear factor, he. Has had his off days. Take the chill pill.

fear factor & we lost to west brom @ old trafford? fear factor indeed. you are the one deluded here, not me!!!

rooney is finished as a striker or an interiore. we should have sold him in the summer. i'm pretty sure that was why fergie bought kagawa.

chamotex: So basically anytime we play Jones and Buttner as fullbacks we should not expect to win?

we won't win against any premier league side, you can mark my words. jones/evra can fly, rafael & buttner can also fly. however, buttner & jones?? it's a recipe for disaster.....

dademola: i stand corrected. U are right. Oya upload d everton's pk

everton's penalty kick was an attempted paneka. he shot straight to the middle while pretending he was going to take a hard shot.

chamotex: So they are the only organised team that have played at Old Trafford?

they are the only organised team we have underestimated at old trafford. you cannot play jones/buttner as fullbacks and expect a win even in a backyard garden.

We have not failed to beat them with less than a two goal margin at Old Trafford in the last few years.

did we play jones/buttner as fullbacks in those games in the last few years?

That 5-5 was not at Old Trafford abeg, I could care less about an irrelevant match after we had won the league already.
Emphasis on Old Trafford!

i was just telling you how striking the balance in a team is important. moyes got the team selection wrong. we didn't support the wingers with good fullbacks & when west brom counterattacked, we didn't have quality fullbacks with pace to help out evans & rio.

this is what rafael gives you on the pitch when strikers run at us....

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chamotex: But you just gave me an excuse about balance and what not.

i didn't make any excuse. the failure to field the right players is wholly moyes' responsibility. he failed in that regard.

No disrespect to West Brom but even if we played Carrick at CB, Valencia at RB...we should not be losing to West Brom at Old Trafford even with 10 men. We are better than that

steve clarke's west brom? they would beat us anywhere if we try such nonsense. they are very organised. didn't we play 5-5 against then last season when fergie drafted giggs/scholes in the midfield? it was 5-2 to us and we were coasting until that idiotic tactical change.

dademola: berba missed a pk against chelsea in d community shield, if my memory serves me right. Upload both pks and let pple judge if dey were trully attempted panekas

unfortunately, your memory isn't serving you right as berbatov was subbed in the 75th minute of the game for owen. evra & giggs missed our penalty kicks, carrick scored his.

berbatov was on the bench when this happened. i reiterate, berba only missed one penalty for us in a red shirt. he scored 2 in the league in 2011/12. therefore, the argument that he cannot score from the penalty spot is grossly flawed.

StarBoard: Coogar is right.
A clueless dimwit impersonating united manager struggles to find the right balance with a set of players that picnicked their way to the premier league title.
Now he's saying we don't have quality players anymore. Always with a reasy-made excuse except that this one is potentially damaging.
I wonder how these players will in turn want to play for someone who effectively doesn't believe in them or their abilities.

i already said i would judge moyes in the games we usually win. there's no excuse at all for losing at home against west brom. we always win games like that.

dademola: @cooger. Hw can smeone say berba's pks against everton and chelsea were attempted panekas or woteva? U talk abt fulham. Who cares about wot he does b4 and after he left united. Upload both pks here, and let pple judge

which penalty against chelsea?
berbatov only missed one penalty in a red shirt & it was an attempted paneka. he actually beat tim howard but howard's legs saved everton.

people should stop propagating myths that berba is a flat-track bully. he scored goals that were getting us 3 points & the circumstances surrounding those games were tougher than most clashes against top 4 sides.

the manchester derby was easier to win for city than cardiff & aston villa. had dzeko scored a hatrick against cardiff & villa, you guys would be saying he's a flat track bully but realistically, scoring in those games for city was far more difficult than scoring against united.

there's logic & there's common sense - football fans should embrace both when arguing. berbatov's goals especially in the comeback against blackpool(when SAF opined charlie adam's corner was worth £15m each) was more difficult to score than any of the goals united scored in the 8-2 win against arsenal(a top four side).

dademola: forget nmbrs here.rvp attempted to do it d zidane/pirlo way. Berba did a lil run up and played a feeble shot. We both knw derz no basis for comparism. Ts just like someone expecting pk duties to be entrusted to lukaku, after his pk against bayern.

berbatov & RVP both attempted the paneka and they were caught. berbatov had taken penalties for united after that & scored. he takes it for fulham now & he scores. he took few for tottenham in robbie keane's absence & scored against cech in carling cup final in 07/08.

chamotex: Exactly, which still proves the players that came in were not good enough.
Saturday was not a 'difficult away game'.

do you think jones/buttner are good enough to wear down a very organised west brom side? it's like shooting one's foot. evra/rafael/fabio weren't injured - why should a manager refuse to play his strongest team in a must-win game??

I don't care if we played Rio at right back...that team that played on Saturday should not LOSE to West Brom at forking Old Trafford. If we played that game two more times I doubt the result will be different.

if messi, xavi, iniesta and neymar play in the defence for barcelona, they would lose against warri wolves. a team needs to be balanced.

These players do not look motivated to me and it was so evident by the display.

they are motivated - getting the selection right is the issue here. moyes' bench was horrible and his use of subs on saturday was very awful.

chamotex: People don't understand that those simple things Cleverley does are the hardest things to do and the most effective.
Keeping it simple...pass and move, keeping possession.

i really don't think the midfield is the problem. any of these midfield combos can win the premier league.

carrick + fellaini
carrick + cleverley
anderson + cleverley

we could have bought yaya toure & eriksen and still be playing like zombies with overrated prima donnas like rooney in the attack.

Like the great Johan Cruyff said "Playing football is very simple but playing simple football is the hardest thing..."

carrick & cleverley got us victories in etihad, stamford bridge, st james' last season. i refuse to believe they suddenly turned shyte overnight. the major problem is the awful combination of players moyes keep playing.

chamotex: Exactly, which further buttresses my point that they are not good enough.
Why do we have a squad..
If these players cannot come in and do a decent job against a team like West brom then why do we have them at a club like Manchester United

it's not about having a squad, it's about knowing which partnership that gives you the best productivity in all the departments of the team. fergie would often play scholes/carrick or anderson/hargreaves(difficult away games). there's a reason he does that.

So if Rafael doesn't play or gets injured we should forget about winning? Or if Evra is out of the team we should forfeit the match?

I am pissed off

you should not forfeit the match but you must play what would give the team a balance in the absence of rafael/evra. if rafael isn't playing, fabio should get an automatic start.

none of smalling, jones and valencia is a good fullback. this was why i cursed moyes after I saw the line-up. the key is to have 2 good crossers of the ball when attacking.

imagine nani attacking with rafael making a decoy run against a fullback. that scenario already tells you there's fire on the mountain cos whoever ends up crossing the ball between nani & rafael can cause serious damage.

however, if i were a defender and i am being overloaded with nani & jones, my task is simpler. all i need to do is to force nani to always use jones as a decoy. i already know jones cannot cross to save a life.

dademola: Cooger. Tsnt about missing penalties here. Ts about berbatov. taking penalties non-challantly. D manner in wich berba took dos missed penalties, he cldnt hav been 1st choice to be taking penalties for us

berbatov missed one penalty for united. rooney has missed about 10. how's berbatov's penalty different from the one RVP missed against southampton last season? berbatov is better at taking penalties than rooney can ever be.

dademola: @cooger. U keep talking about berba taking penalties. Are u kidding me? D same berbatov dt took lazy penalties against everton in d F.A cup(i think), and chelsea in d community shield? Which sane manager wld entrust such responsibilities to such a player?

he only missed one penalty for united in the 3 he's taken. how many has rooney missed? why was rooney demoted from taking pens for man utd? nani, carrick, saha, giggs, RVP, have also missed penalties at least once.

afrodoc: everton? now thats a top team.after all we pinched their manager. And we know from the earlier posts that at least 3 of those liverpool goals came when liverpool came 6th in the 2010/2011 season.

this is a very weak point.
berbatov scored a hatrick against liverpool in september, liverpool finished 6th about 8 months later. actually, berbatov's hatrick was the reason liverpool came 6th.

so if chicharito had scored a hatrick against city last week & city end up finishing 10th in the league next year, you would turn around & say chicha scored against a team that finished 10th?

a bit of perspective would help...

so are u saying he has scored grand total of 8 goals against a top 4 team in the last 7 years? an average of just over 1 goal a year?
NOW if that isnt a flat track bully then what is?

it depends on two things....
how many minutes has he played against a top 4 side & how many setpieces was he allowed to take in those years? how can berba be a flat track bully? he scored against a very strong united side in 07/08.

P.S in the same period Wayne Rooney has 18 league goals against top 4 sides in the EPL alone.

he started against most of them, rooney has copped more minutes against top EPL sides than berbatov. rooney had played for 3 good seasons before berba joined the EPL. rooney has also taken more penalties against top sides than berba. for example, all the goals in rooney's hatrick against arsenal in 11/12 were setplays.

Berbatov is the epitome of the flat track bully

since 06/07, berbatov has scored 4 goals against everton & arsenal. 5 against chelsea, 3 against spurs & 5 against liverpool. fat track bully indeed.

in germany, his record was equally outstanding. 4 against dortmund, 3 goals against bayern munich, 4 against werder bremen. a bit of fact checking should be embraced instead of making blanket statements that are untrue.