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dayokanu: ^^ Do you now see the number of big games Arsenal played with only one striker

Thats to show that playing a lone striker didnt start in 2011

they didn't have plenty of options to start with.....so you are only scratching the surface. arsenal had crocks in eduardo, van persie and vela so their options were limited. even if the manager is an acolyte of 4-4-2, he couldn't have played the formation. that season, eduardo only started 13 times in the premier league and surprise surprise, he had only one champions league start!

dayokanu: Are you the doc that says he isnt reliable? There was another striker on the bench in those games I posted there. If they are not up to your standard then you should ask Arsenal why they put them on the bench

do i have to be a doctor to know eduardo was finished in 2010? how many games did he play up until the barca game? how many minutes under his belt? if what arsenal could line up against barcelona are 2 strikers(bendtner/eduardo)in a travelling squad then you should know it's a no-brainer that only one of them would start......your claim would have more bite if there was van persie, adebayor, vela on the bench.....

dayokanu: You for try click on the 2 links in the post you quoted and see if no striker is on the bench in those games

Both games vs Barcelona Eduardo was on the bench or are you suffering from River Blindness
Abi make i dey spoonfeed you ni

the original eduardo or the damaged one? abeg, get out of here......
eduardo was not reliable in 2010. emphasis on the word "reliable".

dayokanu: 2007/2008
Arsenal 2 Man Utd 2 Only Adebayor

Liverpool 1 Arsenal 1 Only Adebayor

Arsenal 1 Chelsea 0 Only Adebayor

CHampions league

Milan 0 Arsenal 2 Only Adebayor

Liverpool 4 Arsenal 2 Only Adebayor

http://espnfc.com/us/en/report/266496/report.html?soccernet=true&cc=5901

http://espnfc.com/us/en/report/244503/report.html?soccernet=true&cc=5901

2010

Arsenal 2 Barca 2 Only bendtner
Barca 4 Arsenal 1 Only Bendtner

this dayo na olodo.......
i am asking you to prove arsenal did not play 4-4-2 in all their big games between 2007 and 2011.....and you are bringing up examples where there was no other reliable option. to put the above claims forward that arsenal relied only on bendtner against barca in 2010 then one of van persie, eduardo must be on the bench!

olodo: Roland are you the one we are to follow now because proudly sport don catch fire, Debosky sport self get qwanta. David villa looks good. But will he be able to deliver or what is our coach saying about it?

cazorla/arteta playing behind villa?
it looks promising. the player arsenal fans should be fasting n praying for is abou diaby! if you can get that dude to play 15 league games for you, arsenal would beat bayern munich and finish in the top 4. however, i heard abou diaby has a rare condition....he has a biomechanical problem of his left leg longer than the right. only dr kit can cure such problem.

ileobatojo: This woman when will you stop slaying me with your posts?! You are a total riot! You have me rolling in severe laughter. Walahi you are nuts! Lol @ only using it only in the darkness!

she's on a wind-up!
the eyes adjust to the darkness after a while and there's no way she wouldn't catch a glimpse of what is entering her mouth or her orifice. i wouldn't be surprised if jellita isn't a subservient wife to a very strict husband.....i wouldn't be surprised if she's a devout christian too. she's a good actress though, i give her that!

dayokanu: ^^ How can Arsenal have started games with Bendtner and Chamakh when they rarely (if they ever) played together

let's even assume you are right for argument's sake, what is pertinent however is if arsenal indeed played 4-4-2 in big games between 2007 and 2011.....over to you, officer dayo.....

dayokanu: The retention football they play is what denies the opposition the ball the pressing just helps in that it increases turnovers . Barcelona players dont take risks with the ball they dont punt and they would rather recylcle the ball untill a clear chance present itself the same way Spain plays. Its this recycling that keeps the ball with them and with football magnets like Xavi and iniesta its like bread and butter. Its what they learn from La Masia keeping the ball check one youtube footage of Barcelona kids under 8 and see what they do the same way the first team plays

it's a bit of both but their pressing game takes the lion share. barcelona lose possession too.....they get tackled but they quickly recover the ball! there was a deadline guardiola set then(can't remember if it's 10 or 20 secs) for barca to quickly get the ball back.

You mean only one of MAZACAR would be playing? Do you know the combined transfer fee for them? And these are the only creative Spark in the team you want to reduce to just one?

how many times has benitez played all of them in one swoop? yet you accuse another that this ain't fantasy football. how many flair players can a team like chelsea accommodate? i am a fan of 4-2-3-1(don't get it twisted) but torres and ba can play together. van persie/rooney are playing together.......tevez/aguero play together. sometimes balotelli starts with one of the argentine players - why can't ba/torres? hell, even berbatov/rooney dovetailed...

You saw how things went vs West ham when only one of them was on the field The play was horrible

the west ham game was a poor general performance.....chelsea have won games emphatically as well without playing MAZACAR together!

dayokanu: How can anyone say Arsenal played 4-4-2 till 2011?While fabregas was there they played lone striker formations. Which top team did Arsenal play between 2007 and 2011 where they played double strikers.

tottenham 1-3 arsenal(adebayor + van persie)
arsenal 4-4 tottenhaml(adebayor + van persie)

I can give you several examples of games where they played lone strikers between that period

by the same token, i can give you loads of examples where they played with 2 strikers.
arsenal 1-1 liverpool(ade + van persie)

Started games with Chamakh and bendtner? Can you give examples because the Only season Chamakh and bendtner played together at Arsenal Bendtner started 3 league games (Assuming all these 3 games were started with Chamakh then that means Arsenal started a grand total of 3 league games with Chamakh-Bendtner)

Eduardo spend 2 seasons together with Adebayor at Arsenal and He was fit only for half a season

you are not making any point......
i am telling you arsenal played games with 442 formation in the seasons you claim they ditched the formation!

chamotex: Saw one on twitter: Oscar+Ba+Mata = OBAMA.
It's fair to say MAZACAR is over

MAZACAR is the universal acronym!
OSZAMA is the nairaland version - quite razz!!
OBAMA is another one for football fans looking for trouble.

dayokanu: Does Chelsea play a retention game like barca does? Barcas retention starves the opponent of the ball thats why they are able to play Mascherano, Song, Busquets in defence and get away with it. let Chelsea too try and play Mikel, Ramires or lampard in Central defence and see how it would turn out.

so it's the retention football that barca play that denies their opponents the ball or their ability to hunt in packs and take the ball back. i am not sure you watch barcelona quote often. what they do without the ball is more impressive than what they do with it. pedro, busquets, iniesta, villa hunt for the ball like a pack of wolves. they don't give opposition's defenders a breathing space to even collect from the goalie. they press from the opponent's penalty box.....that's the key to their success(defending from the front)!

What tracking back does Ronaldo or messi do? Mata and Hazard cant track back, They are light weight and Tracking back takes a lot out of their game and their main advantage which is creativity would be wasted

the ronaldo of man utd tracked back......when he became lazier to do it, he got massive criticism from team mates and the manager too. berbatov is the only player on the planet that is given the license not to press or track back! messi helps out in the midfield - he's a false 9.

3-5-2? Most 3-5-2 still need 2 defensive guys in the middle
Who would be the 3 Centrals? Who would be the 2 wings backs, the 2 DM and lone 10?

3 centrals(terry, ivanovic, cahill)
2 midfielders(ramirez mikel)
2 wingbacks(azpec cole)
1 attacking mid(anyone of MAZACAR)
2 strikers(ba n torres)

dayokanu: I disagree.

disagree with what?

Arsenal has been 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 for a while before the coming of Chamakh. I think since 2006/2007 they stopped using 4-4-2 Adebayo striked alone, Later part Henry striked alone.

that's a lie - they never really left 4-4-2 until 2011. there were some games they started bendtner n chamakh.....in adebayor's days, he played with eduardo few times too.

Moreover Chamakh came from Bordeaux who played 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 So he is not new to that system. He was played as a lone striker in front of Gourcouff

but he did well in his first 5 months in england. 10 goals + 7 assists in his first 22 apps(before december). van persie's form from january 2011 just blew up like nitro and chamakh never recovered!

dayokanu: Where are the markers/tacklers? No Mikel, Ramires, No lampard?
This is not Fantasy fotball

stop shouting!
either one of lampard, mikel or ramirez can replace any of the diamond midfield. barcelona play with one defensive midfielder - you don't have to play 2 defensive midfielders - there are several ways to skin a cat. as an aside, benitez can go for the jugular and play 3-5-2 formation. can ba/torres play together? yes, they can be played together. hazard, mata and oscar must learn how to track back and defend. rooney, ronaldo, messi, villa, etc do that on the regular - why can't MAZACAR?

coded guy: I don't even think a 4-3-3 would be effective with chelsea considEring the personnel they have. They are stock with 4-2-3-1. Which will be able to accomodate the old and the new/young.

--------------cech--------------
ivanovic--terry--cahill--cole
----------david luiz-----------
-----hazard------oscar-----
-------------mata-------------
-------torres-------ba-------

nateevs: Welcome Demba. For me, no 4-4-2. That's just straight up suicidal. We haven't got the personnel to execute it even if we wanted to. Demba or Torres. That's the way it's got to be. May the better striker hold down the spot.

benitez will play the 2 of them....chelsea play with no width and i can see benitez doing the diamond formation with ba and torres upfront and mata behind them.

dayokanu: Chamakh that Debo predicted would save Arsenal is now shipped to West Ham?

The same Chamakh that 3 seasons ago Debo was gushing about the penalties he was winning for the team not the goals he was scoring?

We now see those blessed the with gift of Spiritual blindness.

How can anyone see Chamakh and think anything good would come out of him at the top level? Once again Debos lack of football knowledge has been shown again

Morronn Chamakh at West Ham. Water don find him level together with Ballon D or caliber players like carlton Cole, Andy carrol

Before he land the Owners son don even reject am

[img]http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1518336.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Jack+Sullivan%27s+Marouane+Chamakh+tweets[/img]

chamakh actually started well but he's so unlucky that he was bought when arsenal switched to 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation. chamakh needs a strike partner, he cannot lead alone and when he was demoted back to the bench, his confidence got shot to pieces and he never recovered from it.

GenBuhari: This was first metioned in the coup speech of Okar 1990

Are there any truth about this?

rubbish rumour.
ibb is no faggöt - only godless irritants say such about nigeria's most brilliant leader. gideon orka was a joke. he was astute enough to plan a coup but very indolent to with his utterance. he shot his own foot when he said he would cut 5 northern states away from nigeria.

afam4eva: Dude, why you dey lie to yourself?

the facts speak for itself - messi would wish to have fat ronaldo's achievements.

Johnpaul88: And what the hell is GOAT?

greatest of all time....

on that list, i would have:
garrincha
maradona
ronaldo de lima

messi cannot come close to these lots. ronaldo de lima is the bestest striker that has ever done it. in his prime, he's the most fearsome striker ever. pace, power, acceleration, dribbling, class, panache, verve. injury blighted his career a bit but he still came back 20lbs heavier to win the golden boot in a world cup!

dayokanu: How does a striker get chances when he doesnt make himself available for passes

that's a big lie!
it's well documented chelsea create the least number of chances in the top 4. putting that blame on torres is irresponsible. he's not the only one conditioned to score at chelsea and yet the number of chances chelsea create is a disgrace.

If we follow your analogy We can say Defenders and keepers are always to blame for losses. Because if they stopped the opponent from scoring the team wont lose.

the fact remains if you don't concede, you cannot lose! who else do you blame when you lose? the striker? a football game starts with 0-0. if the strikers fail to score, it does not change the result to 0-1......it's still 0-0!!

So whats the job of strikers to just loaf around the field?

the job of a striker is to score but if he doesn't score - the match should end 0-0. the job of a defender is to defend. if he fails to defend well, his team would lose.

By almost all rating Torres was adjudged the worst player on the field yesterday. Facing a keeper and blasting the ball senselessly.

these ratings are done by charlatans like ibime and yourself - i don't focus on match ratings, i focus on the more critical issues. i would blame torres if he had 12 attempts at goal and failed to score. i would blame torres if he squandered half-a-dozen clear cut chances. however, i wouldn't blame him for failing to score when the whole chelsea team only had 2 shots on target in the entire game.

Is that How van persie plays his own
See how someone placed his own chance why didnt he do an "ANYWHERE BELLE FACE" Thats why RVP has more goals in 4 months than Torres in the last 2 years

van persie played in a team that copped 7 shots on target against wigan - surely, that's enough for him to score goals. however, a team that had 2 shots on target all game leaves no margin for error. that's the difference!

so in a nutshell, chelsea lost because torres did not score? this is tunnel vision at its best.....chelsea lost because they conceded - the match could have ended 0-0 had lampard closed down his man instead of his heaviness. the match stats have proven what i need to know. chelsea made 26 attempts - only 2 on target, 13 off target and 11 of their attempts were blocked.

torres made only 3 attempts of the 26. he had one on target, one off target and one blocked shot. 23 attempts were made by the other players in the team. how then can we blame torres for chelsea not scoring last night when he had only 3 attempts at goal?

in perspective,
torres(3 goal attempts)
suarez(7 goal attempts)
hernandez(6 goal attempts)
defoe(7 goal attempts)
aguero(6 goal attempts)


dayo, it's amazing how the astute can analyse stats and how some of youse imbibe the herd mentality like sheep. chelsea create far too little for torres to impose himself. that's the stats across the league in game week 21 and torres had the least chances created for him in the top 6. if the benchmark of a striker's chance conversion is 25% and he only gets 3 chances.....how many goals would be score? 0.75 goal? i reiterate - only a lunatic would blame the loss last night on torres!

so in a nutshell, chelsea lost because torres did not score? this is tunnel vision at its best.....chelsea lost because they conceded - the match could have ended 0-0 had lampard closed down his man instead of his laboured attempt. the match stats have proven what i need to know. chelsea made 26 goal attempts - only 2 on target, 13 off target and 11 of their attempts were blocked.

torres made only 3 attempts of the 26. he had one shot on target, one shot off target and one blocked shot. 23 attempts were made by the other players in the team. how then can we blame torres for chelsea not scoring last night when he had only 3 attempts at goal?

in perspective,
torres(3 goal attempts)
suarez(7 goal attempts)
hernandez(6 goal attempts)
lukaku(6 goal attempts)
defoe(7 goal attempts)
aguero(6 goal attempts)


dayo, it's amazing how the astute can analyse stats and how some of youse imbibe the herd mentality like sheep. chelsea create far too little for torres to impose himself. that's the stats across the league in game week 21 and torres had the least chances created for him in the top 6. if the benchmark of a striker's chance conversion is 25% and he only gets 3 chances.....how many goals would he score? 0.75 goal? i reiterate - only a lunatic would blame the loss last night on torres!

new year - same shit, everyday!
only a lunatic would blame torres for yesterday's loss. lampard was uber-useless! phat frank cannot close down at the edge of the box because he was too heavy to quickly do a job. this is why ramirez(premier league's best tackler) is handy in such games.

i thought chelsea would never lose with lampard in the team. ibime is a troglodyte with his moronic theories and brainless hypothesis. the wright-phillips goal was lampard's fault. the fat phuck was too slow to close down.

ileobatojo: No need to. I already know the facts.

you know yourself - you can't speak for everyone.

Btw, the presence of lochia doesn't prevent a woman from 'taking a man'.

ewwww
sick
sordid
grotesque

only a räpist would do such to a woman still bleeding...

greatgod2012: yee, coogar, im a virgin o, pls, dont corrupt my mind....oh no, my eyes.

a granny like you is a virgin?
still trying to figure out who is older between you and the land of canaan.

On a serious note, if nothig serious happens to d woman after delivery, then 3-4 months will do, well, im expecting your bombshell, because me and hubby dey do am after 4 months.

cheiiii!
if the coast is clear and both parties are willing then why not? my missus is fragile so i gave her 12 months without harassing her.

ileobatojo: Says who? Lochia has usually stopped by 4-6 weeks.

ask around - that stuff takes about 6-8 weeks!!!

When did I say it is ideal after 6 weeks? It has to be individualized once cleared by your OB and that clearance typically happens around 6 weeks. Everything in her uterus is damaged? Where are you getting this info from, baba biology? Even if the uterus were damaged, do you realize the uterus is a separate structure from the v*agina?

worn and torn......not damaged(literally).....

I'm not trying to tell you anything. You can rest assured poor Mr Ileobatojo needed the patience of a saint after my kids.

i bet he did!
a gentleman would wait for as long as it takes....

afam4eva: It's not about having the best players but about playing as a team. Argentina just haven't gotten it right yet.

when will they ever get it right?
time is running out - if this golden generation fails to make it then fingers should be pointed at them. messi was wet behind the ears in 2006 so he can be excused then.....in copa 2009, 2011 and the 2010 world cup, he was anonymous!! he has zero influence - no leadership and clueless too. go and get a copy of mexico 86 and watch how maradona led 10 other zombies to a world cup victory........to prove it wasn't a fluke, he led argentina again to another final until a useless referee sold the match to germany by awarding a penalty in the dying minutes of the game.

Johnpaul88: Messi 'll win the World cup when his team mates and Argentina are ready for it. Football is a team work not an individual work. If Messi and Aguero keeps scoring and the defence keeps conceding,then they may never win.

But since Messi was handed the captain arm ban, under Alejandro Isabella , he 's really grown to be the leader of the team. Their team have been pretty consistent in 2012 and has risen in the fifa ranking to 3rd from lowly 9th at the turn of the year. It shows they are moving in the right direction ahead of the world cup.

And talking about the world cup, Argentina sit comfortably at the top of their qualifying table. So if any team is ready for this world cup, it is Argentina. They may yet win in Brazil and you Messi haters will have no more defence.

when his team-mates are ready for him? maradona never used that excuse and trust me messi has better players around him now than maradona ever did. tevez, aguero, higuain, milito, cambiasso, zanetti, heinze are top quality players and yet messi cannot win copa america.....messi got undressed by mesut ozil......messi got annihilated by suarez/forlan. abeg, messi needs some soul-searching!

ileobatojo: Lol! Wetin concern me with domestic animals. Did I give any man automatic freedom to jump on his wife at 6 weeks? I am telling you the fact of the matter. By 6 weeks, the cervix has closed, any tears have healed and the woman won't be bleeding anymore. The va*gina is ready to receive the pe*nis simple. Like I said, whether the woman is in the mood or not is another matter. She may be fatigued, may have suffered other complications medically and psychologically that prevents the act. The does not change the fact that the va*gina is ready for sex by 6 weeks in majority of cases.

most women don't stop bleeding until 8 weeks(lochia) so how can she be ready to take a man then? there are many issues involved here my friend including physical and psychological issues. child birth is like a grenade going off inside a woman. everything in her uterus has been bruised, torn, damaged and sex after 6 weeks is ideal to you? ileobatojo, what are you not telling us?

k2039: [color=soyouquotedme]So you didn't dick any girl for a year.
Sincere answer please?. [/color]

nah.....i am a faithful husband
besides, my spouse is an expert with her hands and tongue.

ileobatojo: The medically recommended time is usually 6 weeks, I don't believe there is a difference whether you have a C-section or vaginal delivery. The vagina/cervix area should typically be ready by 6 weeks. Whether the woman is emotionally ready or interested is another matter. If more health issues complicate things, that will also put a wrench to the plans.

6 weeks?
why not carry a chainsaw and hack the woman to death? a woman is not ready 6 weeks after delivery unless you are insinuating women are domestic animals. anything between 9-12 months is the standard! the state of the sushi sef won't appeal to any man unless he's a räpist!

k2039: [color=soyouquotedme]If I have to wait a full year to get se.x, I'll rather not give birth. [/color]

so if your spouse travels for a year or incapacitated to have sëx due to illness, you would commit suicide? better learn some sort of self control going to marriage otherwise you would be dicking your housemaid or that teenage orange seller called comfort