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dayokanu:
The signing of Arshavin was the only major deal completed by Arsenal in the January window and the fee for the player is believed to be between £12-15 million pounds, which would be a club record.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/football/02/03/arsenal.arshavin/index.html

you and your link are the most stupid entities on the planet considering the fact that nasri was bought for £16m and antonio reyes was £17m
dayokanu must have made thousands of google searches to find an obscure link. cnn link. an american article?

what do americans know about football?

Torres has scored a few goals, So has Arshavin. WHy not advise Wenger to tweak the team around him

because arshavin has not proven he can cut it in the premier league.
torres has scored 33 goals for liverpool in the same league.

i would put my mortgage on torres to replicate his form in england than arshavin who can only point to a pathetic russian league.

Hardunnii:
aside di natale, give anoda example, and i will name hundreds who lost form as they age

another example of what?

Hardunnii:
you are arguein blindly, aw come the likes henry, nistlerooy, del piero, totti e.t.c are no more prolific??

and how come di natale who is in the same age bracket is still scoring.
di natale has scored 21 goals this season again. . . .21 goals in 27 apps.

by may 2012, he woulda won the golden boot in serie a in 3 consecutive seasons.
maybe di natale is using juju.

at 41, rasheed yekini won countless golden boots for nigeria.
ikechukwu uche, victor ikpeba, etc couldn't muster those in their young age for nigeria.

what are we talking about here?

dayokanu:
See acute stupidity.

A woman after menopause cant give birth is a valid theory How come Sarah still had babies after 70?

So any exception dont make a theory valid?

who says a woman after menopause can't give birth?
are you such a tool? is menopause even absolute?

do all women become menopausal after 40?
you are a bumbling oaf.

a woman of 60 can give birth and the one of 19 might not.
nothing is absolute about humans except death! so pack it in instead of ridiculing your b.sc certificate on a public forum.

dayokanu:
Isnt that what Torres has become to Chelsea? A freaking liability. WHy are you in you demented opinion now advocating a team be built around a liability

torres isn't a liability to chelsea.
he has scored goals for chelsea - few goals. . . .
the gaffer/owner just need to tweak the team around him.

but u keep dodging the question.
how did you arrive at the conclusion that arshavin was arsenal's record buy?
did you convert pounds to ogbomosho currency to deduce that?

dayokanu:
We keep hearing Torres scored for fun under Aragones. The fact is that Torres scored 10 goals in 4 years under Luiz Aragonez  
10 goals in 4 years is scoring for fun. In the same time frame Frank lampard, A midfielders scored 14 goals for a less talented Engerland.
I laff in scoring for fun

how many games did torres play under luis aragones?
isn't that a better way of judging this?

lampard score from penalties.
in those 4 yrs, lampard scored 7 penalty kicks. apples and oranges.

What was Torres contribution to the team? 290 mins 0 goals, zero assist , he was confined to the bench for the team to find success.

he has won a world cup medal while actively contributing.
no german player of this generation has the same achievement.

In the current Arsenal set up, Arshavin is the most expensive, In the same vein following your line of argument, Wenger should build his team round him and get rid of Persie Song and other quacks who are disturbing Arshavin

what a useless way of debating.
samir nasri cost more than arshavin. dayokanu, shut up your mouth!

when arshavin was bought, cesc fabregas was the heart n soul of the team.
by the time cesc was sold n nasri moved to city, arshavin had become a liability to the team.
there's no way wenger would build his team around a liability.

Hardunnii:
@coogar we can conclude from your arguments that toress isnt a dynamic player, he can only work in a system, so he's an overrated player. as for the age thing, dayokanu is right, it factors in players performances, but there are few exceptions just like di natale and giggs

if there are exceptions then the theory is not valid.
for it to be true, it has to be absolute like the certainty of death.

every human being will die is absolute.
that a certain player will not perform after a certain age is not absolute so dayokanu is very wrong.

brad friedel is 40. . .he has not missed a league game since 2004/5 season.
younger goalkeepers like de gea, szczesny, etc have missed games due to illness.

age ko, height ni.

afrodoc:
but coogar u r missing d point: which is dt even after comparing them d 34yr old player has a better record than d 27yr old player! at 27 torres shud b at his peak n at 34 drogba shud b past it but he is posting better performances n scoring more goals than torres.
and its quite disingenuous of u to compare anybody;s scoring stats to cristiano ronaldo's or messi's stats.those 2 guys r freaks n wt dey r doing in terms of scoring has not bin done in modern times,d records of even legends like van basten,da lima ronaldo,sheva pale in comparison

how do we know torres has even peaked?
when di natale was 27, some people must have been thinking he had peaked as well.
luca toni must have peaked at 25 yrs. . .so must have pundits said back then. . . .giggs continue to peak, scholes from retirement has peaked.
zidane wasn't world class at 25. . . . .claude makelele reserved his best display in his 30s. . . .

so how can you say a certain player should have peaked at 27?
like i have said, there are different trajectories to a player's development.
you have late bloomers, early developers, etc.
no 2 players have the same trajectory so you guys need to shut up about peak or trough!

dayokanu:
Maybe Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta, Busquets lost form or forgot how to play the Torres-specific passes Just everyone around Torres forgot how to play football

they did not forget. it's the tiki-taka.
under luis aragones, torres scored for fun. with tiki-taka, spain became a low scoring team.
often depending on set-pieces from puyol to beat teams.

World cup winner? How many minutes did he play in it? Just a little more influence than Pepe reina has.

liar.
pepe reina did not even feature throughout the world cup.
fernando torres featured in all the group games and even played in the final.

daft example to bring up.

Arshavin,

what a tool!
defend your claim that arshavin was a record buy for arsenal - you are bringing achievements.
na achievement we wan chop?

dayokanu:
According to coogars moronic logic the performance of a 34yr old African striker should be similar to that of a 27yr old Spainard.

why not?
ryan giggs makes more goal assists per min than david silva.
giggs is 38, silva is 26.

omg, david silva is useless.

Maybe the output Del Piero should be comparable to that of Ibrahimovic or Van persie

why go that far?
compare di natale to ibrahimovic or van persie.

Ibime:
Also the same position that Walcott plays for Arsenal, Hazard plays for Lille and Boateng plays for Milan.

Di Natales returns of 11-18 goals per season in that position is as good as any other player.

but by dayokanu's idiotic logic. . . .no 34 yr old striker should be winning the golden boot in serie a.
he's too old. age matters a lot in football so drogba shouldn't be compared to torres.
are you also a believer of this daft assertion?

Ibime:
Antonio Di Natale was playing as a winger in a front three till 4 years ago.

you mean the same position that cristiano ronaldo plays for madrid.
the same position that has made ronaldo scored more goals for madrid than united where he spent 6 full seasons?
wow!!!

dayokanu:
Age has nothing to do with football, Maybe Man utd should make a bid for Cantona
coogar, you are a simpleton!

if cantona still feels like he can play, why not?
scholes came out of retirement and his performance since his comeback is better than any midfield player in chelsea.
scholes is 37

Why should he retire, I thot age has nothing to do with it

he should retire because he does not fit into the new chelsea.
drogba became a liability the day roman squandered £50m on a fellow striker.

Who are these players that would play to Torres strenght, Something Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa, Busquets, Mata, Lampard, Sturridge failed to do?  The best midfielders of this generation failed to do, So who should they buy? Sani Kaita or Chris Katongo   ?

this dayo is silly. . . .up until 2008, torres was scoring from the passes of cesc, iniesta, xavi.
everything changed when spain began the 100% tiki-taka under del bosque.

as you can see, torres only flourishes in teams who play the ball quickly to their strikers.
chelsea cannot do that. spain with tiki-taka cannot.

Arsene Wenger should be thinking of recapturing the form of Chamakh/Arshavin at Bourdeaux/Zenit
That should be his dream, He should exclude Van Persie, Oxlade, Song and other quacks

chamakh/arshavin should be compared to torres?
3rd best player on the planet in 2008?

euro 2008 goal scorer in the final? the conqueror of the nazis in 2008?
world cup winner in 2010? euro winner in 2008?
compared to chamakh, arshavin and van persie?

yet you wonder why we call you a donkey?

Who pays the huge sum for Arshavin (Club record) and fail to build a team around him? WHo does that?
Thats what you should ponder about and stop ball sucking Nateevs

arshavin is a club record? you are a disgrace.
arsenal paid £20m for antonio reyes in 2004. £5m than arshavin.

torres is a british transfer record - till date, fernando torres is the biggest buy in the premier league.

dayokanu:
In you glorious year of 2008 on April 19, 2008, Roque Santa Cruz sodomized the man utd defence, the best team in Premiership history

It says a lot about the whole Man Utd history if a mediocre striker, a Bundesliga failure could batter your defence into a pulp.

Demba Ba obviously learnt how to sodomize Man Utd

A mediocre Niko Kranjcar playing for Portsmouth sent the whole England crying on November 21 2007 and out of the running for Euro 2008

santa cruz sodomized man utd defence? how?
who won the league that year?

you don't have a prayer. . . .
santa cruz scored, tevez equalized, united won the european double and this rhesus monkey is talking about sodomy.

when torres sodomized the nazi defence, he took the cup with it.
did santa cruz take any cup from united? dayo, answer now - did someone glue your tongue to your tonsils?

you this acrobatic rhesus ape!

dayokanu:
You are obviously trolling, What has age got to do with football?   Why is Pele not still playing or Puskas or Eusebio or Zidane

What has age got to do with football, Yet in the same vein called Chelseas players too old and pensioners.

Everyone knows beyond a certain age, physical strenght drains and football is a physical game not chess or darts

what is this threshold?
gimme the age threshold where physical strength drains and players cannot produce any more.

after you finish that, tell me why di natale has been scoring for fun in his 30s.
something he couldn't do throughout his teens and throughout his 20s.
tell me why di natale has outscored robinho, pato, ibrahimovic, etc.

dayokanu, you are a simpleton!

afrodoc:
lolcoogar u r beyond redemption u r done who said drogba shud retire but he is performing beta than torres,so once again who should retire?
i thot u were our resident statistician,y not cook up some stats to defend ur assertion dt torres IS d best striker in england.
p.s if i tell u wt pple wit ur kind of cranium use it for in my village u will join boko haram in protest

drogba should retire. . . .

chelsea bought torres for £50m.
if i were investing in such amount for a striker then common sense should dictate i build my team around such a high-budget investment.
the decision makers in chelsea should then cop players that would play to the strengths of nando torres. . . . get pacy strikers, put mata permanently behind torres and play delicious counter-attacking football.

abramovic should be thinking of recapturing the form of torres in liverpool under benitez.
that should be his dream - this dream should exclude drogba, lampard, and other quacks in the club.
who pays £50m for a striker and fails to build a team around him? who does that?
that is what you should ponder about and stop ball-sucking dayokanu.

dayokanu:
Roque was never a good striker. He is just a fluke like Torres. I watched him at Bayern for almost a decade.

He is a striker for a midtable club, On ability he is on the same level as Torres. MEDIOCRE

but torres still sodomized phillip lahm(germany's best defender since stieleke) to win the european cup in 2008.
it says a lot about germany if such a mediocre striker can batter their defence to a pulp.

talking about age. . . .antonio di natale did not win a golden boot until age 32 and 33.
i am sure at a point in his career in his mid-20s, a tool like you would have written off his credentials.

so stop comparing age when we discuss football matters.
it makes you look like bluediva's apprentice in a pub.

afrodoc:
d 34yr old who can cut it (according to coogar) has 6 goals in 18 matches dis season  = a goal every 3 matches
d 27yr old dt can cut it (according to coogar) has 4 goals in 29 matches dis season = a goal every 7 matches
Pls who should retire or at least consider d MLS?

tevez once scored 5 goals in 30 league apps for man utd.
he won a golden boot later in the same league.

yes, tevez should have retired as well.
you are not different from dayokanu. bluediva's bar apprentice.

in my village, people of your ilk are only good for potato-peeling.

dayokanu:
Lol how pathetic can one be?

Comparing a 27yr old Spaniard to a 34 yr old African

A 34yr old African that was Kanu 2 years ago

Expecting the output of a 27yr old Spainard to be same with a 34yr old African is enough to shame Torres.

Even Fernandud cant make such cop out

if the 34 yr old african cannot cut it anymore, he should retire.
ryan giggs has more goal-assists than most 20 yr olds. he's 37.
should we then conclude modric is rubbish or toni kroos is a dunderhead?

dayokanu - admit it, you are a douche-bag!
what has age gotta do with footie?
players have different trajectories in their development - only a tool like yourself would bring age into this matter.

afrodoc:
men! i dont see how villas boas can continue coaching chelsea,he is going to get d sack soon wether some chelsea fans on NL like it or not.

it's villas-boas fault that chelsea players cannot move the ball quickly with accuracy?

torres played for 45 mins - no goal
drogba played for 45 mins - no single chance.

it's the midfielders that are lethargic.
torres is blameless here.

dayokanu:
In a system that worked, Roque SantaCruz scored a gazzilion goals, In a system that worked Diego Forlan scored  and became golden shoe winner

His debut season till now is like eternity. In Torres debut season in Liverpool, Danny Guiza was top scorer in La Liga, today he can barely score 4 goals for GETAFE.

Torres was a fluke, He has always been a mediocre striker

except that he banged 19 goals in 22 league apps in 09/10.
no dodgy penalties like drogba and no flukish free-kicks as well.
19 pure goals.

so how do you fluke 2 different seasons of goal scoring?
dayo, you are not so smart, are you?
are you smarter than bluediva's 10-yr old daughter?

afrodoc:
there u go again harping on abt torres debut season and sodomisong lahm in 2008.dis is 2012 get over it already!
but then i know u wont.r u sure u arent an idol worshipper,cos u dont give up easily on ur football idols.then u r comparing a28yr old spaniard wit a 34 yr old african,haba mallam!

because you have failed to understand torres' game-play.
he can only play in teams who transit the ball quicker like man utd, liverpool, etc.

in teams whose build-up play is as slow as f@ck, torres cannot flourish.

lalaboi:
4 players over just one freekick? lol

what a world class player lampard is. . . .
if i have this useless fat cow in my squad, i would poison his lasagne.

dayokanu:
What do you expect from a 34yr old striker. The only reason why Drogba still plays is because Fernandud is useless
Which top club still plays a 34yr old striker, never mind he is also African

drogba scored good goals marouane chamakh of 23 couldn't score in the nations cup.
there's nothing wrong with drogba's age.

afrodoc:
and as per taking penaltiesberbatov n  chicharito didnt need to take penalties.
in berba's first season he scored 14 goals in all competitions n united won d league,reached d champs league final
chicharito's first season he scored 20 goals in all competition n united won d league again n reached d champs league final AGAIN
torres ur guy in d same time frame has scored FIVE GOALS n chelsea won NOTHING! so he should b d one demanding for d ball as d teams NO 1 striker,at penalties.
but ur man's confidence is shot,he doesnt want to get to good spots in d box cos for him d fear of missing a good chance is greater than d joy of scoring!
abt me loving d sound of my voice,how u take know, i am a tenor in d church choir  

torres didn't need to take penalties to score 33 goals in his debut season.
in a system that works, torres is a beast. . . .everyone knows that.

chelsea's system does not work. . .
i ask again, drogba has been on the pitch for 40 mins. he has not had a chance to score, no service.

dayo the rhesus monkey tells us torres doesn't put himself in the position to receive those passes cos he's low on confidence.
now tell me - does drogba fail to put himself in a scoring position too?

35 mins gone. . . .chelsea have not created a clear chance for drogba.

if it's torres upfront, dayo and bluediva would be screaming like rhesus monkeys that torres is low on confidence.
is drogba low on confidence?

dayokanu:
Torres has been starting games since january and he has failed to score since then
Its because the racist players prefer to give others service and ignore Fernandud

this does not explain your daft comment "what torres couldn't do for ages".
can you pls explain why you decided to make a daft statement?

nateevs:
I just wanted to point that AVB is one of the reasons (if not the main reason) Danny is what he is today.
Carlo sent him out on loan, picked Kalou ahead of him even when Danny had shown time after time he could do a job.
Danny ten scores a crucial goal and he's the one who saves AVB's job?

It's wrong and fickle as the spoilt fans in the stands chanting Mourinho.

bluediva is a beer parlour bartender. . . . .she spews nonsense she hears from her drunk customers.
how can sturridge save villas-boas' job? the same sturridge who had missed clear chances in the first half?

BlueDiva:
Coogar is daft.  

you are a troglodyte.

look at the epileptic way you have played today and let's imagine chicharito plays for chelsea.
how many chances do you think he would have had today?  it's like chelsea have no pace at all.
i cannot remember the last time chelsea scored from a counter-attack under villas-boas.

nateevs, can you?

dayokanu:
How would Torres get service when he doesnt make himself available for it?

Are you saying Chelseas players like Ivanovic and Mata are racist who prefer to give Sturridge service but not Fernandud Torres

yes. . . .torres played for 45 mins  and didn't score.
sturridge played for 65 mins n scored. . . .and yes, sturridge is the messiah.

your qualitative analysis skills need nutrients.

BlueDiva:
FT is low on confidence.
He already believes he will mishit it before he takes it.

He should be playing in the reserves where he can score easily,
Gradually he will build confidence.

nigerians and their ability to pluck nonsense from the stratosphere and believe it's the truth.

torres is low on confidence? is that what your shrink told you?

dayokanu:
Sturridgee

The thing Torres couldnt do for ages

Maybe they were playing to Sturridges strenght unlike Hulk Torres Hodan

the thing torres couldn't do for ages?
you mean sturridge wasn't on the pitch in the first half when chelsea were a bag of shyte?
you are a disgrace with the things you come up with.

afrodoc:
LOL  
Coogar i warned u dt dis ur Torresphilia will depreciate ur stock on NL.imagine u sayin new players dont take penalty kicks,where is it written? anways as was ritely pointed out to u Mata is NEWER! didnt Kezman take a penalty kick when he was struggling for goals as a Chelsea new boy?
pls nxt tym u want to jump to ur darling fernando's defence,take a deep breath(actually take TWO),and then THINK abt wat u r abt saying

stop talking because you like the tone of your voice.
berbatov was £30m when he was bought - how many pens did he take in his first 3 seasons.
hernandez - how many pens did he take in his first season.

there's a hierarchy in a team - in most teams.
of course, in a useless organisation like chelsea - anything goes. . . .
but with rooney, giggs, nani on the pitch. . . .berbatov would never take a pen.

nateevs:
Simple! Goal.

ivanovic's cross, sturridge's header.
when torres is in there, there was no simple cross in 45 mins.

this team is hopeless.
they only play under pressure.

goal!!!

BlueDiva:
Mata is newer dummy.

then ask your manager why torres isn't nominated to take penalties.

StarBoard:
Let's hear how Lampard is the chief penalty taker.
Mata steps up and misses.Yet he's supposedly the one to end Lampard's Chelsea career.
Why doesn't Torres take penalties to restore his confidence?He doesn't want to take responsibility,as usual.Hence his drought.
Another anonymous performance.
I still maintain/believe:the old brigade (Terry, Lampard Cole,Drogba,Essien) are better off than these impostors in blue.
The stage is set for one of the old boys to perform another rescue act.

if lampard was on the pitch, lampard would have taken it.
besides, lampard has also missed from the spot this season. . . .

torres does not take penalties - he is new in the team.
people don't just step up to take penalties - there's a hierarchy.

mata missed his pen. . . .what a save by the goalie. . .

nateevs:
Chelsea don't have a single decent player who can play on the left and provide assists.
And I hope people don't come back with the name Malouda.

i am sure kalou can play that role.

lalaboi:
Birmingham scores

what a horrible goal to concede from a corner. . .

penalty for chelsea!

nateevs:
@Coogar

I wonder you bother. They will not accept all you say.
Everyone knows where we all stand. Time will prove us all right or wrong.

did you hear what the espn commentators are saying?
they are wondering why villas-boas doesn't play mata behind torres. . . .

StarBoard:
coogar,
Form may be temporary but class is permanent.
Please 5 goals in 14months in total is shockingly poor by all standards and even Torres cannot defend such misery.
Rooney eventually came good,Torres is still waiting for noise levels in London to come down.
Are you by extension criticizing a World Cup winner's tactics because one player cannot adapt to them?It's del Bosque we're talking about here;not AVB.If Torres cannot play in a side that uses tiki taka (which in my view is probably the easiest style to play in for a striker) yet David Villa (who was in the same Euro 2008 with Torres)can easily adapt to the same style and become top scorer at the World Cup, then there's no basis for argument in my view.

rooney eventually came good because united fans didn't stop supporting him. rooney plays in a much better team with hard working professionals.
valencia would always find rooney. same as berbatov and giggs and other midfielders. they know their job for the day is done if they can manage to assist a goal for rooney. it is not the same at chelsea. the wingers and the midfielders play for themselves. they have no intention of assisting torres. it is torres that assists the other players.

i am not criticizing del bosque - i only said torres' form for the national team nose-dived after del bosque fully embraced the tiki taka. under luis aragones, it was a bit of both. none of spain's goals in euro 2008 came from tiki-taka. 5 came from direct-breaks/counter-attacks and one came from a set-piece. with direct breaks, torres flourishes. his game has always relied on being one v one with the goalkeeper and scoring. that was how he was able to sodomize phillip lahm and score the winning goal of euro2008 final.

under del bosque, things changed. spain fully embraced tiki-taka. it's a slow build up that never ends with opposing teams sitting 10 men behind the ball.
this type of attack does not suit torres. . . .he does not have the space to run into. it would not suit hernandez, inzaghi or ruud as well. this breed of strikers need the space behind the defenders to operate. it's the same problem torres is having at chelsea. by default, chelsea have the slowest build-up in the premier league. watch chelsea when cech rolls the ball to his defenders and count the number of minutes it takes chelsea to get the ball to their striker. the average is about 5 mins. when was the last time chelsea scored from a counter-attack with nando torres on the pitch?

As for Lampard,let's not twist facts.Chelsea lost to Arsenal because Torres did nothing for 90 minutes,Daniel Sturridge (who did more than Torres in all forms that day) was extremely selfish,John Terry was out of sorts defensively,AVB employed the silly high-line backline tactic among all manner of reasons.Blaming him for that loss squarely isn't a fair argument.

you are contradicting yourself. you admit sturridge was extremely selfish and you still don't think that sturridge's selfish football was what made torres ineffective? let's pretend for a second that nani, valencia and giggs play like sturridge. . . .how many goals do you think chicharito would have scored last season? chicharito relies on quality service to score. if the service is horrible, he would look useless on the pitch. at the same time, if united play against teams ready to sit behind the ball, hernandez is useless - cos then he has no space to run into and cause damage.

it wasn't surprising his goal against ajax on thursday came directly from a counter-attack.

Like I said,he has probably won more points for Chelsea from positions where they should have dropped some.
He definitely is not the Lampard of old but even AVB has come to realize his worth to the side.He tried dropping him and moving Mata centrally but that tactic sunk to the bottom of the ocean like a stone.
And he hasn't taken as many penalties as you want us to believe this season.

ruud scored gazillion of goals for united which never took us anywhere.
he won 3 champions league golden boots in 5 seasons and united never played in one final throughout. of what importance are those goals if they do not push the team to glory? that is frank lampard for you. the most useless midfielder in england. he scores those meaningless goals that his strikers should be scoring just to hug sky champagne. . . . .whereas in united, giggs + carrick + scholes + cleverley are very happy for our strikers to get the accolades.
lampard is a midfielder. he should do his job as one and stop leaving his position irresponsibly to compete on the scorer's charts with aguero.

Let's look to other reasons for Chelsea's season so far other than blame the old guard.United won regularly with an older bunch.The young guns for a start aren't good enough in general.Where is the transition from the winning generation?

united manage their old guards more effectively. giggs did not travel to ajax for instance. chelsea play all their old guards regardless of which game.
man utd also have plenty of gifted young players that have been thrusted into the first team. many with plenty of european experience - something chelsea didn't do under the predecessors of villas-boas. that is not the problem of the new manager. jose mourinho, avram grant, guus hiddink, felipe scolari and carlo ancelloti should all carry that blame. they killed chelsea's youth players and their academy in cobham is one of the best in the land.

dayokanu:

5 goals in 14months

very impressive!

rooney had 1 goal in open play in 12 months.
rooney is dud as well, isn't he?

dayokanu:
FACT is that this year alone, Chelsea has more points per game when lampard plays than when he didnt.
The times Fernandud started in close to 2 months he still failed to score, Not even score a goalmouth scramble or tap in.
The wackiest striker in Europe

chelsea lost when lampard started. the last time they lost against liverpool, lampard was also in the team.
torres is the best striker in england. we all know why you have a hidden agenda for him.
he sodomized phillip lahm to give spain a rare victory over germany in 2008.

dayo, it's another euros - get over the pain of 2008. it's almost 4 yrs ago.

debosky:
Is Cesc earning less or not? Yes or No?

of course, he is earning less.
coupled with the fact that he helped facilitate the transfer with his own money needs to tell you how desperate he was to go n win titles at barcelona.
if dudu denies this then his case can't be helped.