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honsule:
not if u have a nuked 9900 bb.I hv one white 9900,flashes red light and refused to boot.Tried to reload about 6 different OS,all to no avail.

used your desktop manager to back up and restore. . . .your fone would come out new.
it's a very minor issue or a manufacturer's error.

ritchboy:
Coogar taking the piss as per usual. Lampard has frequently been rotated/injured, Malouda has generally been out of favour, ditto Drogba who also left for AFCON, Essien just returned from long term injury, etc.

If YOU have the time to gather the average age of Chelsea's team over the course of the league season, no one is stopping you, though it won't be higher than 27 or 28 so don't waste your time.

There's a difference between being too old and not being good enough.

just focus on the grandslam games. i am not too bothered about their performance in the other games.
but you have to admit chelsea's form in the grandslam games have been abysmal. they lost to liverpool and arsenal at the bridge, they drew united and lost at old trafford. i am sure this is the worst chelsea have been under roman in the grandslam games.

it's the old age. the old players have simply failed to perform and the young ones are struggling to bridge the gap.
lampard, terry, bosingwa, malouda, anelka and drogba have been bad news. drogba spent just 5 weeks at afcon. what did he show before afcon? nothing!
that lampard is chelsea's highest scorer should tell you the team is malfunctioning.

dayokanu:
Chelsea 3 man Utd 3

Line up
Petr Cech, David Luiz, Gary Cahill, José Bosingwa, Branislav Ivanovic, Florent Malouda, Michael Essien, Raul Meireles, Daniel Sturridge (Oriol Romeu, 71), Juan Mata, Fernando Torres
Average age 27yrs

chelsea were even the better team on this day in the absence of their relics. save for rooney's 2nd penalty and some good saves from de gea, chelsea were good value on the night.
in the corresponding fixture at old trafford with terry, anelka, lamps, malouda, bosingwa and cole, they were taken apart.

dayokanu:
1 Cech  29yrs
02 Ivanovic 28yrs
03 Cole 31yrs
04 David Luiz  24
17 Bosingwa 29yrs
06 Romeu  20yrs
15 Malouda 31
16 Meireles 28yrs
09 Torres 27yrs
10 Mata 23yrs
23 Sturridge 22yrs

Above is Chelseas line up vs Swansea average age 26.5yrs.
They drew the game 1-1

and what was swansea's average age? 45 yrs?

dayokanu:
NAME POS
1 Petr Cech G 29yrs
24 Gary Cahill D 26yrs
2 Branislav Ivanovic D 28yrs
34 Ryan Bertrand D 22yrs
4 David Luiz D 24yrs
16 Raul Meireles M 28yrs
12 John Mikel Obi M 24yrs
7 Ramires M 24yrs
9 Fernando Torres F 27yrs
23 Daniel Sturridge F 22yrs
10 Juan Mata F 23yrs


Starting 11 vs Birmingham

Average age 25yrs

For the major part of this year, Drogba has been out to AFCON, Lampard has been injured or benched and Terry has been out yet The results have been woeful still

So tell us how the age was the problem with the team

and yet more brainfarts from dayokanu. the game against birmingham fc is a league game, isn't it?
why are you people so genetically obtuse?

you wanna know why chelsea is out of the top four?
calculate their average age in the big games(home or away) against man utd, arsenal, tottenham, city and liverpool.
those are the games that have pegged chelsea not fa cup game against birmingham fc.
since when has cup competition become more important than league games?

login123:
thanks,so, confirm 9700 is better.

9900 is the best blackberry smartphone on the planet till date.

ritchboy:
Starting XI vs Napoli:

Cech - 29

Ivanovic - 28
Cahill - 26
Luiz - 24
Bosingwa - 29

Meireles - 28
Ramires - 24
Malouda - 31

Sturridge - 22
Drogba - 33
Mata - 23

Average age: 27(around the age footballers generally peak)

Only Drogba and Malouda were in their thirties and Romeu/Mikel and Torres/Lukaku(all in their twenties/teens) could've played in place of those two with similar output.

So tell me how Chelsea's players went from young enough for second to too old for fourth in a matter of months. . .

so yesterday's line-up is the same line-up chelsea have played in their 25 premier league games this season?
if you have half-a-brain, you would find out last night was the first time villas-boas would leave the big guns on the bench.
if you add lampard, cashley cole, terry, bosingwa, ferreira, essien, etc to the average age, would it be the same as 27?
ritchboy, you are a fat troglodyte.

login123:
Please, can someone tell me the difference between Blackberry 9700/9000.

it's like asking the difference between iphone 4s and iphone 3gs.
the difference is clear, hombre!

speed, performance, storage and network, etc.

ritchboy:
Arsenal's net spend in the summer was -17m

Squad players aside, this same Chelsea squad(minus Meireles/Mata/Sturridge post-Bolton) finished 2nd last season. Unless they've aged 5 years since May 2011, the age thing holds no water, like most Coogar/Nateevs postulations

you have an obtuse way of reasoning.

the age difference between 22 and 25 in player performance is not as bad as 31 and 32.
1 year age difference when players are in their 30s is equivalent to 3 years difference in their 20s.
strikers/midfielders lose a yard of pace everyday.

mamalola19:

a lot of nl men are marriagable dt what i have been made to believe
my advise cut ur coat according to ur size no look for 10 over 10
e beta make u marry 4 over 10 than to be desperate for man
na too much education career n class cause all dis katakata
everyone want desmon elliot ramsey noah no one want segun arinze
abi yemi blaq. person go dey talk i love you for man wey im never meet
but through online n fone. if 4 over 10 love you, pick am
if u dey wait online spouse, u r oyo.
if na 2 and d half over 10, take am if you don pass 30
na true talk anoda person no go tell u the koko

mamalola, your advice leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
so it's all about who loves the chics and not who they love?
so if your meiguard loves you 9/10, that criterion alone makes him a hot candidate?

no wonder naija babes are confused.

debosky:
So there are no aged players in Arsenal's squad? Are Almunia, Rosicky, Benayoun and others not 30+?

how many games do those start? are you this idiotic?

AVB still inherited Ivanovic, Alex, Cech, Ramires, Mikel, Torres, Luiz, Sturridge, Essien who are below 30. Lampard is still producing at a high level comparable to Sturridge with his goal output so what is this age schitzo? Terry as old as he is is still one of the best CBs in England, ditto with Cashley so what is the age issue?

mikel and essien are not 30? are you this phoolish?
alex is no longer in chelsea in case you didn't get the memo. the african players falsified their age so take them out.

terry is 31 and cannot be compared to the terry under the predecessors of villas-boas. the terry under jose mourinho wouldn't have allowed arsenal to score 5 goals at the bridge. cashley is finished as a defender. he no longer has the pace or he's not inspired to even perform these days. he's won it all.

villas-boas need to build his own team before he can be compared to his predecessors.
not even del bosque would turn this chelsea team around. there are too many flaky players in the squad.

debosky:
Furthermore, the Chelski team AVB inherited finished 2nd while Arsenal finished 4th. AVB inherited a better squad plus spent a net figure of £62m

I ask again, what excuse does AVB have for terrible performance?

but the players villas-boas inherited have aged considerably.
who is in the chelsea first team that is not 30 yrs? sturridge, mikel and mata.
others are 30+.

nateevs:
I

I decided to ignore the spendings on the youth players because I know what he'll come back with.

if you remove the last 2, it still says wenger spent £50m!

nateevs:
I want to continue with this but jeez this just puts me off. Arguing like a blind man.

Wenger spent £42m in the transfer window.
AVB spent £40m in the transfer window (Mata + Meireles + Romeu)


I ask again. Why can't Wenger replicate his feat ?

wenger spent £53m
i repeat, wenger spent £53m

£10.6m - gervinho
£12.0m - oxdale chamberlain
£10.0m - arteta
£10.0m - metresacker

£3.0m - park young
£6.2m - santos
£1.0m - joel campbell
£0.4m - thomas eislfeld

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=871307.msg10249565#msg10249565 date=1329917090]Apparently Rooney missed training today. Hope nothing serious[/quote]we have berbatov and hernandez!
anderson and cleverley are training!

debosky:
The chelski of his dreams maybe?

that should read porto fc!

This isn't shoulda woulda coulda - a dodgy pen denied JM. That's different to having better players. Did you miss out on verbal reasoning in primary school?

it wasn't the last league game of the season. how could a dodgy pen deny jose mourinho when that particular game was played in the first half of the season.
the pressure of unbeaten had been lifted off his shoulders so he was only concerned with winning. you think the pressure woulda been the same knowing he's unbeaten over a 38-match league? debosky - where is your 6th sense?

I've given him his dues for winning in Europe.

a feat that has evaded wenger's 40-yr managerial career.

So till he gets £240m we shouldn't even be discussing his performances no?

nope.
he inherited quacks. if you keep comparing him to his predecessors who had drogba, lampard essien that were 3-5 years younger then you are a tool.

I can also say if Wenger or Fergie had £240m to spend in the summer he'd be leading the pile by 40 points

wenger and fergie don't have old players like chelsea.
go and look at the chelsea squad - 95% of the players in the senior team is 30+

debosky:
I don’t know why he didn’t buy - that’s the unanswered question thus far. Was it a case of refusing to buy or denied funds to buy?

get this answer for me.

Torres and Caroll were anomalies caused by a CL crazed Russian with money to burn. In general, big money players tend to outperform cheaper ones as their price is indicative of their performance level/ability. Don’t use outliers to make a serious argument.

ohh please.
big money players are just hype. no player is worth £50m cos the money does not make him develop 10 limbs and 5 heads with which he can score.
big money players also cop injuries, hamstrings, get suspended, etc. in a nutshell, it's a fraud that some players cost 10 times as much as the others.
torres n caroll were anomalies right? care to explain why hernandez has outscored errrrrrrrm, luis suarez? why has van persie outscored aguero?

Arguably, but then again, how many teams can completely change their style of play in 8 months into a successful side after losing their best talent that they were overly reliant on?

united did. they have always moved on their world class players to madrid and it has hardly dented their chances.
it's all about mathematics. wenger has always known it was a matter of time before cesc packs it up. what plan b was he relying on?
why did arsenal not buy mata to replace cesc or nasri? for every world class player that has left a club, there must be 50 of his replacements elsewhere in europe or south america.

United also had a better starting team when we beat y’all 1-0 at the Emirates last season. One-off losses or victories are not the issue here - underlying trends are what matter.

i refuse to believe that.
arsenal were stronger on the day. united were burdened with european nights whilst arsenal were only playing to stay in the top four.
united on the other hand were being chased by chelsea and were vying to play in the european final. my boys were fatigued.

Wenger won 3 FA cups in a short period of time - clearly he was interested in chasing the bread and butter (EPL) and the holy grail (CL) above all others.

what was the level of competition then? the league was about arsenal and man utd in that era. united only needed to self-destruct and arsenal would win by default. the real concern is since roman abramovic era, arsenal just froze and has kept regressing since then. united are still there fighting the money bags whilst arsenal simply disappeared and stopped challenging.

debosky:
Your dumbo cap needs to be twice nateevs' if you think winning a league where the question at the beginning of the season is 'by how many points will Porto win it' can be compared to winning the league unbeaten in the EPL.

you are a troglodyte. . . .
villas-boas won 90% of the league games in chelsea.
jose didn't even match the same results at porto, never mind doing it in the premier league.

JM would've won the league unbeaten in England if not for a dodgy Anelka penalty that made him lose one game in 2004/05 so JM is a gazillion light years ahead of AVB. His record of trophies (Europa AND CL in back to back seasons) is unparalleled in Porto's history so there's no comparison.

tony pulis woulda won the league unbeaten in england if he has messi, ronaldo and rooney in his team.
who is talking about woulda, shoulda, coulda here? we are talking about what has already been done not what mourinho should have done.
you are a disgrace. go back to google and peep villas-boas achievements.

he had the most wins in europe in one season - he recorded 14 victories
he copped the biggest points difference between the league winner and the league runner-up. the difference was 21 points.
villas-boas still holds the highest winning streak in the portugese league. he won 16 league games back to back.

debosky, if villas-boas had £240m to spend when he came to chelsea, if he had a new chairman that crossed the divide from man utd to chelsea, he would be leading the pile by a margin of 20 points as we speak.
you this philandering phool!

debosky:
More like AVB has caused Chelski's failure despite spending over £50m to bring in players.

Moreover it is quite daft of you to compare a one-off double to Porto's sole dominance of the Portuguese League and Cups over the past decade. You can't even spell logic with that type of moronic comparison.

Like others have said, even a log of wood would win trophies at Porto as manager.

Abeg sharrap there. Did AVB also use his tactics to give Falcao 42 goals? Oh wait he scored 43 the season before. What about Varela? Oh wait he scored 9 the season before despite playing fewer minutes.

If he made such an improvement, why has he been unable to replicate such at Chelski?

I guess AVB used up all his tactics helping Hulk.

debo, stop debating like a billy goat.
villas-boas won his league unbeaten and won 90% of his league games over a season.
not even jose mourinho or any of his predecessors was that good. that is where his credits dwell and i need you to give him his dues.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=874534.msg10248704#msg10248704 date=1329910334]If we're referring to a situation where a man is in a different location from his wife, then i think its his personal business how he handles his business.

But if we're talking of a situation where everytime a man sees a woman, he feels the urge to self-service, then we have a problem.[/quote]so you're saying w@nking is morally right as long as a man build fantasies around his wife? thank you!

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=874534.msg10248125#msg10248125 date=1329905162]@ the person who posted after me
so because you feel h.orny, you must m.asturbate?
That's news to me.
[b]I guess what may also be news to YOU is the fact that you can decide to bring your body under subjection [/b]so you will not be a slave to your desires?


Anyway, what do i know.
Make i no type too much about this topic.
But anyone with a s.ex addiction, should pray for freedom.[/quote]tpia@, stop[i] forming[/i]. we all know you w@nk on the regular.

debosky:
The apt question would be how they performed before AVB joined. Did they all suddenly start scoring goals because AVB was there?

In my view AVB is a good manager but nothing special - that the stars aligned while he was at Porto to win a treble is no indication of anything.

Porto had won the league in 5 out of the 6 seasons before AVB arrived,  They had won the Portuguese cup in the two preceding seasons before he joined, they had won the Portuguese super cup in the two preceding seasons before he joined so we can arguably say his contribution was marginal at best.

He may take credit for winning the UEFA cup, but when you join a team with such dominance domestically it's not that hard to focus on one tournament and win it, especially when you faced a local rival who you've bested continuously over the past decade in the final.

Just which player can we say AVB has improved his performance this season?

The only player that appears to have improved is DS - but even he had started showing the good form since his loan period, so even that is debatable.

the issue isn't about porto winning their league 5 times in 6 seasons before andre villas-boas.
the real mccoy is villas-boas won it unbeaten. . . . .why do you still ball-suck wenger's unbeaten season that happened 8 yrs ago?
villas-boas won every club competition he entered with porto that season. wenger won only the league.
give credits where it's due. villas-boas is an excellent manager.

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BlueDiva:

It's a blame game.
As long as results remain this way we will trade the blames.

i don't just thrust blames on the shoulders of players.
lampard was lethargic. subs are meant to make impacts in games - i cannot remember a single thing lampard did.

Trust me Modric would have become a dud under AVB.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Modric playing as left back.  

of course, just like david luiz plays as a goalie.

dayokanu:
Yet coogar blamed Lampard for the the goals conceded

a link would help your case in the court of law.

dayokanu:
This night Coogar has already blamed Lampard while Franks bum was glued to the bench

lampard featured, torres didn't even kick a ball but you still blamed him cos if he's firing, there wouldn't be any need for drogba.
i blamed lampard when he came on cos i know what he brings. he doesn't have the urgency to chase goals in a match anymore, he can only come in to level things out. lampard is only good when chelsea are winning and they wanna see the game out.

BlueDiva:
Are these names necessarily better than the ones below?

Fair enough, they ain't performing now because of bad management but are they worse than the ones above?

Mata > VDV
Torres > Chicharito, Saha, Defoe and Adebayo
Bale slightly > Cole
DS > Lennon

How about the England automatic shirt owners, Ashley and JT. Or the Ivorian giant?
Chelsea squad ain't that bad, our manager is whack. Full stop.  

you are still making the same error, bluediva.
you are fixated on names and not their fitness and their age.
of course on paper, scholes looks better as a name than modric but can scholes match modric's fitness?

that's the issue. the chelsea players have the talents but their legs are too aged to complete the required task.
so you just have a name on the pitch producing nothing.

BlueDiva:
You were brought into a team for 15 mil and you don't ask for players?

AVB is a dummy.
He must have been satisfied with what he met.

A manager in a club like CFC should demand for players he can get results from.

The owner already shelled money to hire him, he woulda shelled some more for him to succeed.
If the players ain't good, blame AVB.

he wasn't satisfied - i remember him pursuing modric to the very end of the earth.
abramovic was hesitant to roll out the dosh for villas-boas most probably because of the financial fair play.

nateevs:
Don't mind Diva. It was this time in 2009. Cech, Lampard, Drogba, Essien, Malouda, Kalou, Terry, Cole, Ivanovic, Mikel were all 3 years younger. They are all still here. They expect the same level of aspiration, commitment and fitness.

No to forget also that Chelsea had Ballack, Zhirkov, Carvalho, Quaresma, and Joe Cole in that squad. All 3 years younger.
Do I need to explain these basic things?

bluediva is high on toxic suya missed with burantashi

a night like this presents the opportunity to hack down disliked players.
if you ask for the opinion of everyone, you would find out that everyone has a particular scapegoat they would love to blame for the loss.
for feck's sake, dayo has blamed torres tonight. he actually expected torres to score from the bench.

BlueDiva:
It's senseless to sit back at every game.
Not even a slowpoke would suggest that.

I will buttress my point by referring you to what GH played against Barca at home.
You can't match a scoring team in attacking football especially when your strikers are dud and your defense is rubbish.

Now that we tried it, didn't it backfire?

My problem with AVB is he is so predictable.
Same line up, same formation, same subs. Study your opponents and adapt.

The Napoli defense ain't so good either and we could have hit them at occasional breaks.

nateevs, can you read that?

bluediva is comparing the players guus hiddink used against barca 3 yrs ago to villas-boas who inherited dross. . . .
why do nigerians find it difficult to compare like for like for fecks sake?

nateevs:
Then go ask Victor Perreira why he isn't running away with the league if it's that easy.
Also ask Moyes, Redknapp, Hughes, why they didn't win the Europa since AVB did it without much ado.

You guys are just insanely illogical. Your emotions are taking over and your supposedly rational views are soo skewed it's unbelievable.
No one saying AVB is the real deal but no ordinary manger wins a treble in his first season, record points, records goals and playing admirable football without being something special. I bloody do not care what league.

don't mind the charlatans.
anyone comparing the tools villas-boas is working with to the ones his predecessors used is a joker. a big bloody joker.
the truth is the senior performers at chelsea have all aged. petr cech of 2004-6 would have saved at least 2 of the napoli goals.

essien in that era was simply unplayable. . .so were drogba and lampard.

dayokanu:
So winning the Europa cup with FC porto is a bigger achievement that winning the World cup

with the squad brazil had in 2002, it would be a travesty if scolari didn't win the world cup.
they played china, costa rica, turkey(2), germany, belgium, england.

what's porto's budget when they won the europa league in comparison to their adversaries.
besides that, villas-boas went a full season unbeaten. a feat arsenal fans still celebrate.

villas-boas won a treble of titles. how did he fluke that?

afrodoc:
but bros nateevs scolari had won d WORLD CUP and TWO COPA LIBERTADORES TITLES before coming to chelsea!sinnce he had a record of success wit different teams he was not a fluke,ur AVB on d other hand might be a one season wonder, he myt b d fluke!

oh please scolari won the world cup and his toughest opponents were turkey and germany.
with rivaldo, fat ronaldo and roberto carlos in my squad, i would win the world cup.

abeg, felipe scolari is clueless.
brazil had a very easy run to the final. the cheapest run ever by a world cup winning team.

nateevs:
Don't mind them. As if this requires genius to see.
By now, one should see Lamps getting on the ball providing the passes.

If anything, it's disrupted any rhythm we had.
If Lamps and Essien are poorer than Meireles and Malouda, how good is the squad?
Bearing in mind that Ramires, Meireles and Malouda and very average players.

whatever rhythm chelsea had going got misplaced after lampard and essien came in.
they did nothing. . . . .drogba is back now and yet the midfield didn't really create for the drog. . . .if that was torres leading the attack, knives would be out for him as we speak.

the defenders let chelsea down. ivanovic, luiz and cahill were lethargic.
the wingers didn't really put in quality ball into the box as well.
personally, i think torres should have come on in the last 10 mins to put some presence in the napoli box.