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MaxInDHouse:
The FOUR HORSE RIDERS!

According to Jesus he will return and during his presence on the earth there will be:

WARS!
FOOD SHORTAGES!
PESTILENCES! Matthew 24:7

So how does this relate to the four horse riders?

Before the year 1914 Charles Taze Russell and his group known back then as the International Bible Students Association has been proclaiming that the year 1914 will turn out to be a remarkable year in history though they don't know what exactly will happen.

But in the year 1914 Jesus began ruling in heaven and instantly he led the angels in heaven to drive away Satan and all demons {Revelations 12:7-8} since his ascension to the heaven he sat at God's right hand {Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56} the year 1914 after sending Satan and demons packing the evil spirits came to the earth {Revelations 12:9} immediately the earth felt the presence of these aliens that's why there was a world war.

Now the four horse riders:
Jesus is the first horse rider on the white horse leading the International Bible Students to go throughout the world preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as they were conquering by penetrating all the nations! Revelations 6:1-2

The second horse rider is the condition the inhabitants of the earth finds themselves as people started killing people and only Jesus' true disciples International Bible Students refused but all other religions were encouraging their members to support the war! Revelations 6:3-4


The third horse rider is another condition that follows the war as all resources and manpower the nations supposed to direct to agriculture wars wasted on the war so there was food shortages throughout the earth! Revelations 6:5-6

The fourth horse rider is another condition as malnutrition and diseases caused by the carcasses war victims spread across the globe leading to the death of millions that the wars missed! Revelations 6:7-8


All the first three horse riders had sound horses means they are fast in their delivery but the fourth horse rider has a sickly horse meaning he's not moving fast like the first three so people keep dying not as speedy as the children born that's why the population of the earth kept increasing despite all the things causing death and mass burial here and there!

So how come Hell is said to be following death closely?

Well the way people are dying burial is ongoing globally but not so fast and rampant it's only those whose relatives are affected that knows what is really happening.

That's the meaning of the four horse riders only one depicts a living spirit and that's Jesus who is leading Jehovah's Witnesses globally in the preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom! Matthew 28:18-20

Is this what FxMasterz asked of you? Why are dodging his questions? Are we talking about what the horses represent or Hades/Hell? You are busy typing irrelevant epistles. The 1914 you quoted there, is it in the Bible? Answer his questions jare!

FxMasterz:
I've asked him questions regarding how he came to confirm that his organisation is telling him the truth. I eagerly await his reply.

He will so disappoint you in his reply. JWS don't answer questions like these. They only run around them in circles. Ask him about the mentioned verses they twisted in their Bible , he will run away.

Emusan:
It's deception from onset

Fake smile
Fake love
Fake teaching (That is why Max will tell you that Jws don't teach some certain doctrines until the person becomes one of them because it's strictly internal believe). So you don't want me to know EVERYTHING about the next step I'm about to take.

Even as some do fall for all these deceptions when they finally join and see all the secrets, some will openly back out while some will remain with them but not 100% loyal.



They have already entered the pit but as usual they sugarcoated it that the pit is where Jehovah wants them to be.

FxMasterz:
You're the hypocrite, hope you know? I've answered virtually all your questions while you've been unable to answer any of mine.

1. Can a condition ride a horse? How come death rides a horse if it's a condition?

2. Can torment happen in the grave? How come the rich man in the grave was also in torment according to your manipulated book?

3. If hell is place that shall be cast into the lake of fire with all murderers, liars, etc, how come you say there's no punishment after death?

4. Jesus said that they'll be wailing and gnashing of teeth in hell. How come you say hell is the grave. Can people gnash their teeth in the grave?

5. You said being cast into the lake of fire means being cast into none existent. How do people become non existent by gnashing their teeth and wailing?

6. You said death is a condition but it rides a horse and is referred to as "his' and 'him'. Why?

7. The rich man was suffering in hell according to the Lord Jesus, but you and your leaders say, there's no punishment after death. Was the Lord Jesus lying or your leaders are the liars?

I have asked you several other questions which you blatantly refuse to answer. Don't you love your soul? I guess you love your lying leaders more than your own soul..

These are very important questions that he has refused to answer. Since you both started discussing, he hasn't made any tangible point and he wants you to answer him. This is just to show that JWs don't know anything outside their manipulated Bible and publications. Mad MaxinDhouse likes to run away from questions that reveal the deceit of his Cult. He knows where the discussion is going.

FxMasterz:
Satan has mastered the craft of defrauding gullible souls, and this JW organization is one of his playground.

Flesh and Blood did not reveal this to you.

FxMasterz:
The leaders are serving Satan for sure. They know where they're going but I pity their gullible followers who do not search the scriptures daily to examine whether they've been hearing the truth or not.

There was a video from a Satanist I came across. The lady was saying that Hell isn't what we think it is. She said Satan told her that she shouldn't worry about being in Hell. He said she won't experience torment but rather, he will reserve a spot for her where there is no fire and no torment. She will be protected. Satanists have this same belief. I laughed at this girl because Satan just lied to her. Then I realised the Lie JWS are told and asked myself why is It that only JWs and Satanists believe this? Same thing. I realised that in order for Satan to take you to Hell with him, he has to lie to you about what it is and the conditions there so that you wont take it as a big deal and then ypu find out too late after you die. It's a trick! This is very dangerous.

FxMasterz:
It's the way of fraudsters.

They'll tell you not to tell anybody whenever they promises you unrealistic gains in order to scam you.

If you're forbidden to research outside of what they tell you, then, how to you confirm that they're telling you the truth?

Meanwhile, the scriptures says:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5'21

How do you know what is good if you have not proven it?

Gbam. At the bolded, nothing but Fraud. They don't want them to know the Truth. They want JWs to go through the same Hades/Hell that they are going. Typical trait of Satan.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't read his posts so if you guys are worn out it's OK by me!

I created this thread remember? If you really needed to avoid me completely, you should never have been here. Now that you are here, I have shown you verses your Watchtower leaders twisted to make the verse mean something else. I have more verses where they did this. Explain to us why they did this in the verse below? Does Grave and Torment go together? Why did they do this?

MaxinDhouse, why are you afraid? When people were telling You JWs that you twist the Bible, you thought they were joking? Are you ashamed of what I just showed you?

MaxInDHouse:
Why can't anyone among you take it up and we'll continue?
Whatever question he has i'm not responding to him but i'm ready to respond to anyone who is respectful.
So if you feel i don't have the answer why not someone else take the question from him and direct it to me?

You are ashamed to see the twisting of Bible verses Watchtower did in your Bible abi? You cannot answer questions now. People have been telling you JWs that your Bible is an abomination which is why you can't find it amongst list of Translations online in different sites. I am pointing where you people twisted the Bible, you have nothing to say abi?

Is there Torment in Grave? I thought you believe that the Dead feel nothing. Answer now. You dey fear?

FxMasterz:
Even if you're being deceived, should you deceive yourself? That's the problem I have with them.

What stops a serious follower from sitting down, looking at the book he has been given, read religiously, compare with original manuscripts, research various interpretations, reason things out yourself and ask for the help of the Holy Spirit.

They'll do none of the above but carry the doctrines of some men on their heads like gala and start arguing against the Bible in honour of the falsehood they've been taught.

Research outside their publications and Bible is a Taboo in JW. Real Satanic Cult. Their leaders are taking them to the pit but they don't know it. Their leaders told them that they are going to Hades/Hell like the Rich Man, and they accepted without questioning.

MaxInDHouse:
Let Mad Max response to him nah!

You are ashamed to see the twisting of Bible verses Watchtower did in your Bible abi? You cannot answer questions now. People have been telling you JWs that your Bible is an abomination which is why you can't find it amongst list of Translations online in different sites. I am pointing where you people twisted the Bible, you have nothing to say abi?

Is there Torment in Grave? I thought you believe that the Dead feel nothing. Answer now. You dey fear?

CaptainJune:
Why haven't you answered the question Courz has repeatedly asked you?

He is ashamed. He doesn't have anything to say but imaginations. I'm sure he is waiting for his fellow JWS to come so that he can have muscle. JWS are consistently told by others that their Bible is twisted with words added or removed to suit their doctrines. I have shown two examples. I have more o. Just watch. He and his fellow miscreants won't have anything tangible to say.

FxMasterz:
Not so. He is deliberately rejecting the truth and looking for ways to explain it away. So, I decided to answer him to get him cornered. It might force him to think.

It's good that you know his tactics. This is very common with JWs. When you are presenting a point to them and they are trying to deviate from that point, don't allow them. Stick to the point you made and the verses you mentioned. Repeat it over and over again.

MaxInDHouse:
OK they're no longer here i'll come back when they're ready to debate how DEATH is a spirit but HELL it's companion isn't rather just a place yet both are following each other!

You are ashamed to see the twisting of Bible verses Watchtower did in your Bible abi? You cannot answers questions now. People have been telling you JWs that your Bible is an abomination which is why you can't find it amongst list of Translations online in different sites. I am pointing where you people twisted the Bible, you have nothing to say abi?

Is there Torment in Grave? I thought you believe that the Dead feel nothing. Answer now. You dey fear?

MaxInDHouse:
OK the senior brother has come to fight for his junior brother.
You for allow the two of us do what we know best nah!

Mad MaxinDhouse. Why did Watchtower change words in this verse to suit their doctrines? Is there Torment in the Grave?

FxMasterz:
Where's the mental gymnastic? Look at all the numerous mental gymnastics you do.

Death's gender? Answered in a recent post.

Just look at the questions he is asking you. Absolutely no understanding of Spiritual matters. Lol. The guy is a block head. Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmm mental gymnastics!

So HELL is a place but DEATH is a spirit please is it a male or female spirit?

Mad MaxinDhouse, stop reading what is spiritual with a Carnal understanding. Your understanding of simple Spiritual matters is very low because Watchtower brainwashed you to reason from a mere human standpoint forgetting that you are both Physical and Spirit. This is what happens to you when you lack the Holy Spirit and your Leaders do not work with the Holy Spirit but instead feed you their own imaginations. Look at how you sound. God forbid!

achorladey:
That happy or happiness is what they don't want to hear, believe and accept that one can have after leaving that religious organization

If not lies and manipulations how could members see something like the below and not see the deception in there.....




Their founding fathers are WEEDS of Christendom that camouflage into WHEATS still in the business of DECEPTION based on their own doctrines .

It is when the master comes that he will separate weeds from wheat and yet they know the WEEDS as far back as fourth century.

Is that not lies and manipulations members cannot even think and filter. They started by saying our publications. Who is the our publications? The Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses aka faithful and discreet slave is the our publications deceiving and teaching contradicting and conflicting doctrines to members that Catholic and Protestant are Oholah and Oholibah. The same set of people now reversed back to say Catholic and protestants are not Lying and manipulating members to suit their agenda.

Within one publication

Confused people. Why will people make the conscious decision to follow people like this? I just don't understand. JWS will soon enter pit with this their confusion.

FxMasterz:
Then, they're the enemies of their own souls.

It's foolishness to be loyal to a leader or leaders without considering the eternal destination of your soul. Why should anyone prefer lies to truths just because the lies were spoken by some so called men of God? JW is undoubtedly a satanic organization.

Exactly. They are enemies of their own souls. Imagine allowing a Group of people to Lie to you about where you will go after Death. This is one of the biggest deceptions because you will be led astray and you will go to the same destination they are going. This is why I pity Jehovah's Witnesses. They are being led to the slaughter and Satan will be very pleased. They are brainwashed to accept that they will go to Hades/Hell after Death. They don't know that Watchtower being a Satanic Cult has deceived them to accept Destruction.

FxMasterz, Another example of manipulation of Scripture by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Look at the same verse about the Rich Man in their Bible below. They went to put the word Grave but also the word Torment is written along side it. So, Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, I thought you JWs are taught that Nothing occurs in the Grave. The dead don't feel anything. So you say. Why is the word Torment in the same sentence with Grave? By manipulation of this verse , Watchtower is trying to tell you JWS that Torture happens in the Grave and the Dead feel something. Can you see why following a group of Men blindly will lead you to the pit?

Watchtower forgot to think properly when manipulating this verse because this verse actually goes against your doctrine. This is in your Bible o. Not only did they have the guts to put the word Grave when other translations used Hades, Hell and Sheol, they also forgot that the word Torment completely makes the presence of the word Grave useless. This is what happens when you become so proud and have the guts to change verses to suit your doctrine. There is no way that you won't make mistakes while doing this. This is why you JWs keep having your Bibles revised after every few years so that they can add more manipulations in it.

Fornicator Aemmyjah and Mad MaxinDhouse, come and explain this very obvious manipulation of Scripture. What does it take for your Watchtower leaders to just translate words as they appear instead of fixing words in there to suit the Lies they want to feed you. Does Grave and Torment go together? Judgement from God for this despicable act is doing press up.

achorladey:
They will gladly avoid this one since their lies are exposed. If the discussion centers on trinity, hell fire and immortality of soul. That is where they will come rushing it to advance their true and false Christians agenda

I'm so happy I've left that Cult.

Aemmyjah:
1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?

2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later

3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

Why was Lazarus carried by the Angels to the Bossom of Abraham, depicting Heaven, after he died and was buried and. why was the Rich Man in torment in Hades after he died and was buried? Remember, Jesus uses Real life situations to teach. And Why did Jesus tell the Thief beside him before they died that Today you will be with me in paradise. Jesus said Today not Future. Today. Don't give me those very poor imaginations from Watchtower.

MaxInDHouse:
Are death and Hell living creatures to be taken to lake of fire for tormenting?
When we tell you the meaning of scriptures you want literal meaning oya make sense out of what you're saying nah!
DEATH and HELL both conditions not part of God's purpose for mankind were thrown into the lake of fire then the Bible said the lake of fire means the second death yet you're not getting the sense.
Guy if that's what's holding you back from evil deeds you better do whatever your soul crave {Ecclesiastes 9:10} because there is no punishment after death it's either you live or you die that's the two options God gave Adam and Eve! Genesis 2:17

So, you now admit that Hades is Hell. Because if Hades Is truly grave in that verse, Death will not be mentioned along with It. That would be Tautology. Since Death and Hades were mentioned, it means they are two different things.

Aemmyjah:
Just de play
It's your own type of IQ that listens to that malicious liar

Mumu Fornicator Aemmyjah, explain why your NWT Bible is different from the other translations in the verse below. There is a very obvious manipulation of Scripture in this verse. Why did your Leaders write the verse this way to give a completely different message? Do you understand the punishment that will come from God for doing this despicable act?

FxMasterz:
Wow.

So, they do selective interpretation of the Bible to suit what they want to tell their followers. I see.

Thank you for reminding me that Jesus told the thief on His right hand that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." That's a good reference for Aemmyjah.

Yes. Their leaders are obsessed with having doctrines that are not Biblical and do not conform with the rest of Christianity in the name of being different from others. So, they do their best to come up with imaginations and then find verses that can support those imaginations. In the process, too many errors are made so that they keep changing their doctrines every few years. This is the price for not allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. Their leaders have admitted that they make mistakes and are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone makes this admission, you should be sensible enough to take their doctrines with a grain of Salt. But because JWs are brainwashed with fear and forced to accept these errors so that they are not shunned or disfellowshipped, they follow their leaders to the pit.

Their Bible is heavily manipulated to suit their doctrines. They have to do this so that they can mislead JWs. I just showed you a good example of that. Ask a JW to explain the Lazarus and Rich Man story by using the Bible only as a source, they will give you imaginations. When they pick verses, they don't read the context. That's not how to read the Bible. There are many verses that prove many of their doctrines wrong. But JWs ignore these verses. You showed several verses to them, they ignored all of them and kept presenting you the selected verses by their leaders. JWS are not interested in the Bible. They are only interested in the Bible verses with manipulated interpretation from their leaders.

Compare JW Bible and the translations below. Their Kingdom interlinear showing the Greek translation and the translation below it correctly places the comma where It is supposed to be. But their Bible places the comma after the word Today thereby Changing the message in that verse. I have seen many discrepancies in their Bible when comparing with other translations and sometimes with their Kingdom intelinear. Sometimes, they will touch the Kingdom interlinear and do some tweaking. This is why their Bible is not regarded as Reliable. You can't find their Bible in any site for Different Translations.

When you check the JW Bible to read the Luke verse below, there is a deliberate shift in position of the comma before the word Today. Let the JWs try to counter me on this and I will say exactly why they did It. This is why people say their Bibles are twisted to suit their doctrines. When the comma is before the word Today, as displayed by other translations, the message says one thing. When the comma is after Today, the message says another thing.

FxMasterz, there is something I have noticed with how JWS quote verses. Watchtower deliberately picked John 5 Vs 28 to back up their Resurection doctrine. JWs are taught that the dead will be waiting in the tomb until Jesus comes to resurrect them. That's why verse 28 is picked. But they don't read verse 24 and 25.

In Verse 24, Jesus said that the righteous who believed in him will not be judged. They have skipped judgement and will be taken straight to Life everlasting.

In Verse 25, Jesus says The time is coming and The Time is Now, when the dead will hear his voice and come to life. Jesus is telling us that the resurrection has already started at the moment he said it. This explains why in the Lazarus and The rich man story, Lazarus died and was taken to the bossom of Abraham while the Rich man died and went to a place of torment. This is why Jesus also told the Thief beside him while they were hanged that Today you will be with me in Paradise. And there are verses where Paradise was used to describe Heaven.

JWs are not taught this. They are taught that even if they are righteous now, they still have to prove themselves again in the future. No grace. They are not taught that Resurrection is immediate because they don't believe they are going to Heaven.

This is why it is good to read the Bible. Don't just select specific verses. John 5 verse 25 has proven that Near Death Experiences are True.

FxMasterz:
This is the death the Bible is talking about:

Revelation 20:14

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."

The lake of fire, that's the second death that is being referred - the wages of sin is death. Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The lake that burns with fire and brimstone is the second death. That's the wages for murderers, immoral persons, the unbelieving and abominable and all sinners.

Revelation 2:11

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death."

Everyone dies the first death but only sinners die the second death.

Revelation 20:6

""Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

The second death has power over sinners, not the righteous.

You've ignored all of my previous questions. No single response for any.

Nice one. Loving your points directly from the Bible.

oteneaaron:
The Popular Doctrine of the 1000-year or Millenium rule during the 2nd coming of Christ is based on Revelation 20 vs 1 - 6.

Different sects of Christianity have their unique interpretation of the above scripture.

Back in the days when I was still a Jehovah's Witness, we were taught that ours was the only true religion - which meant that the teachings of any other religion were false.

Back then we grouped all other religions under this title - Babylon the Great - The World Empire of False Religion

As the only true religion, this meant that our teachings were UNIQUE and could not be found in any other religion.

Imagine my shock when I found out that the doctrine of the 1000-year rule of Christ as taught by Mormons, was the same doctrine taught by Jehovah's Witness!

You don't believe me?

Here is proof:

Here is what the Mormons Teach:



Here is what Jehovah's Witnesses Teach:



Can you observe their similar doctrines?

Here are my questions to Jehovah's Witnesses -

1. Why are you teaching the same doctrine as the Mormon Church?

2. Since there is nothing unique about your doctrine, what makes you the only true religion?

CC: Archoladey, Emusan, Courz, Temple333

I also came across a YouTube video where an ExMormon was interviewing an ExJW. The similarities in their beliefs are many. They dress the same way, have the same form of leadership, have the same Anointed and great crowd classes of people, have the same website design, have the same broadcast studio, the same Caleb and Sophia Cartoon, have the same convention badges and mode of dressing and the same New Light on Ladies wearing trousers.

I believe the leaders of JWS and Mormons are related and made up of a group of families running different Cults or are attending the same Masonic lodge where they share the same Ideas or have an anonymous group of people behind the scenes giving them the same Ideas on how to run their Cults and formulate doctrines. No one can tell me otherwise.

Don't expect any tangible response from JWs. They don't know anything other than what their Gods feed them.

Bobbynobobby:
Stopped reading at "lab rat". And no, the word of God does not change so I don't need upgrades in that regards. But do what you do, sir. I understand it is paramount to keep the fear levels high in the business of "spiritism". I reiterate, the message is for true believers in Jesus Christ, not fear mongers. Christ has created in you the spirit to win and overcome and not of fear and uncertainty...cowering up and down. Your faith really should set you apart, make you special, empower you, be the light that draws others to Christ, make you a winner!

Which fear level? If this is how courageous you are, why don't you allow your sister/brother/ daughter/Son marry someone with this sort of background? Why don't you wake up in the dead of the night and go and sleep in A very thick forest? Why don't you go to meet a group of Occultic people meeting at night if you really have power?Why don't you go visiting all the shrines/altars and show your power there? Why don't you go to different Occultic lodges and buildings and show your power there? Why did God order the Israelites to avoid marrying from tribes of Idol worshippers and Pagans? Why didn't God order the Israelites to try to convert all the Pagan Nations so that they can marry? The same Bible says flee from Satan. Flee from Evil and it will flee from you.

No o. Go and do all the above things I mentioned above. Let me see the liver. You're here making mouth.