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Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 11:05am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
Two of yr brothers don talk say Jesus nor be angel abi u still join them.
Mumu Prosper1912, Where is the Love In JW? Do you really have love amongst yourselves? Check your congregation, do all the Brothers and sisters there love you and others like a family should?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 11:01am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
If u like call jw cult, freemanson, illuminati
U go explain tire no evidence.

One thing that mark a true Christian is love and there is no where u can find it apart from jw.
Where is the Love In JW? Do you really have love amongst yourselves? Check your congregation, do all the Brothers and sisters there love you and others like a family should?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:56am On Sep 02, 2023
Mumu JWs say Babies/children are enemies of God. Almighty God said Children are gifts and a heritage. Babies are blessings. Who do you believe? JWs or Almighty God? You know the answer. This is how you know a Satanic Cult. No wonder in Satanic Cults, they see Babies as nothing but things to be sacrificed. A JW Woman can sacrifice her baby to Lucifer if the baby needs blood but she refuses Blood. Make una dey look all these Cults and their doctrines.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:54am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
I repeat again
U have nothing to offer
U are just a fault finder grin grin grin
Shut up your mouth! When I asked you to explain 1914 from the Bible, what did you do? You were weak doing copy and paste from your website. I said show me 1914 from the Bible, you ran away? You think your behaviour is normal? Your behaviour shows you JWs are fraudulent! Your beliefs are a joke! That's why when you go out to preach, people look at you with pity. They don't listen to you because they already know the Truth from the Bible. They are looking at you like a Sinking ship. They are listening to Jesus to stay away from you JWs. Do you think we are brainwashed like you that a group of Freemason white Men appeared from nowhere to control all of you all the way From New York, using Fear and force to make you JWs accept all their errors as doctrines or else you are called Apostate. If Watchtower is not forcing you to accept their errors as doctrines, many of you would have left that Satanic Cult. You people are here arguing for your doctrines that will soon be changed. You are here boasting that you believe the same thing but this same thing can be changed again making you JWs look like Idiots. How can you call doctrines that will soon be changed Truth? How do you want people to take you JWs seriously when your doctrines change yet the Bible has remained the same for over thousands of years? Do you even know why your doctrines change? It is because the doctrines are Lies!

You JWs are a joke! You are a laughing stock amongst religions because of your ever changing Satanic doctrines. You JWs don't know how stupid you look with your Lies. Only Almighty God and Jesus can come to your rescue.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 10:49am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
Yr bother say nor be angel
Mumu, go back to the first page and read my comments. Why are you asking me a question that I have already answered? Are you this lazy to read a Thread? Is this what you are taught in a Kingdom hall? Don't they teach you how to read? What is wrong with you? E be like say that your Head na sand full am. Ewu. sad
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:48am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
If u don't have anything to offer just shut up and stop condemning other people doctrine.
Your fellow brother u share faith with said Jesus is not an angel and yet u pretended as if u didn't see it.
Shut up your mouth! When I asked you to explain 1914 from the Bible, what did you do? You were weak doing copy and paste from your website. I said show me 1914 from the Bible, you ran away? You think your behaviour is normal? Your behaviour shows you JWs are fraudulent! Your beliefs are a joke! That's why when you go out to preach, people look at you with pity. They don't listen to you because they already know the Truth from the Bible. They are looking at you like a Sinking ship. They are listening to Jesus to stay away from you JWs. Do you think we are brainwashed like you that a group of Freemason white Men appeared from nowhere to control all of you all the way From New York, using Fear and force to make you JWs accept all their errors as doctrines or else you are called Apostate. If Watchtower is not forcing you to accept their errors as doctrines, many of you would have left that Satanic Cult. You people are here arguing for your doctrines that will soon be changed. You are here boasting that you believe the same thing but this same thing can be changed again making you JWs look like Idiots. How can you call doctrines that will soon be changed Truth? How do you want people to take you JWs seriously when your doctrines change yet the Bible has remained the same for over thousands of years? Do you even know why your doctrines change? It is because the doctrines are Lies!

You JWs are a joke! You are a laughing stock amongst religions because of your ever changing Satanic doctrines. You JWs don't know how stupid you look with your Lies. Only Almighty God and Jesus can come to your rescue.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 10:41am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
@ courz
JESUS Christ na angel?
Yes or No
Mumu, go back to the first page and read my comments. Why are you asking me a question that I have already answered? Are you this lazy to read a Thread? Is this what you are taught in a Kingdom hall? Don't they teach you how to read? What is wrong with you? sad
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:36am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
Still share with us yr doctrine ,since u say jw own nor correct, abi u nor get to share.
Shut up your mouth! When I asked you to explain 1914 from the Bible, what did you do? You were weak doing copy and paste from your website. I said show me 1914 from the Bible, you ran away? You think your behaviour is normal? Your behaviour shows you JWs are fraudulent! Your beliefs are a joke! That's why when you go out to preach, people look at you with pity. They don't listen to you because they already know the Truth from the Bible. They are looking at you like a Sinking ship. They are listening to Jesus to stay away from you JWs. Do you think we are brainwashed like you that a group of Freemason white Men appeared from nowhere to control all of you all the way From New York, using Fear and force to make you JWs accept all their errors as doctrines or else you are called Apostate. If Watchtower is not forcing you to accept their errors as doctrines, many of you would have left that Satanic Cult. You people are here arguing for your doctrines that will soon be changed. You are here boasting that you believe the same thing but this same thing can be changed again making you JWs look like Idiots. How can you call doctrines that will soon be changed Truth? How do you want people to take you JWs seriously when your doctrines change yet the Bible has remained the same for over thousands of years? Do you even know why your doctrines change? It is because the doctrines are Lies!

You JWs are a joke! You are a laughing stock amongst religions because of your ever changing Satanic doctrines. You JWs don't know how stupid you look with your Lies. Only Almighty God and Jesus can come to your rescue.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:35am On Sep 02, 2023
achorladey:
That one just dey start to dey learn how to do the work of parroting his GODS. He never master the art very well.

He even understand wetin dem dey call Bible chronology grin grin grin.

Rolf Furuli that was defending their Bible chronology of 1914 was equally booted out when he refused to bow to the 8 GODS then. Where is he today. All his works and contributions will be thrown away like they are doing to the works and videos of Anthony Morris now
Thank you jare. Look at these foolish JWs! Watchtower is very quick to disfellowship anybody that disagrees with them. It is that fear that JWs have that is making them argue over doctrines that will soon be Lies. They don't know they look like jokers when they argue. Why are you arguing over a doctrine that Watchtower will soon declare New Light? Have they forgotten that these their doctrines will soon have New Light? If you are a sensible person, JWs are not supposed to argue at all or even preach to people because their doctrines will soon change. They don't know what they are doing in that Satanic Cult. Confused set of people.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:28am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
Ok since u say jw doctrines is satanic no problem
Oga still share yr doctrine that is from GOD with us make we learn for u.
Shut up your mouth! When I asked you to explain 1914 from the Bible, what did you do? You were weak doing copy and paste from your website. I said show me 1914 from the Bible, you ran away? You think your behaviour is normal? Your behaviour shows you JWs are fraudulent! Your beliefs are a joke! That's why when you go out to preach, people look at you with pity. They don't listen to you because they already know the Truth from the Bible. They are looking at you like a Sinking ship. They are listening to Jesus to stay away from you JWs. Do you think we are brainwashed like you that a group of Freemason white Men appeared from nowhere to control all of you all the way From New York, using Fear and force to make you JWs accept all their errors as doctrines or else you are called Apostate. If Watchtower is not forcing you to accept their errors as doctrines, many of you would have left that Satanic Cult. You people are here arguing for your doctrines that will soon be changed. You are here boasting that you believe the same thing but this same thing can be changed again making you JWs look like Idiots. How can you call doctrines that will soon be changed Truth? How do you want people to take you JWs seriously when your doctrines change yet the Bible has remained the same for over thousands of years? Do you even know why your doctrines change? It is because the doctrines are Lies!

You JWs are a joke! You are a laughing stock amongst religions because of your ever changing Satanic doctrines. You JWs don't know how stupid you look with your Lies. Only Almighty God and Jesus can come to your rescue.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 10:26am On Sep 02, 2023
Janosky:
Oga, which angel is not son of God?


Angels are ministers, Hebrews 1:14.
Matthew 20:28, is Jesus Christ a minister?
1 Corinthians 15:22,45 NLT, is Jesus Christ a spirit ministering to your salvation?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28, did Jesus voice resurrect the dead?

Who is the serpent @ Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9?
Who is the seed of Genesis 3:15 made manifest by John @ 1 John 3:8/ Revelation 12:7-9 to defeat the serpent?


Do you realize that Jesus Christ is a morning Star?
Do you realize that morning Stars are angels?

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Kponkwem. grin
What a very useless comment! Did you just smoke igbo before typing this rubbish?

You are using this very useless logic that says Sons of God are angels. So, you have forgotten that followers of Christ are also Sons of God. Won't you also say you are a Son of God? Is God not your Father? So, does that mean you are now an Angel because you are a Son Of God? Ewu Gambia!

Next time you want to type, Stop smoking Igbo. Re Read what you typed, think, analyse before you press Submit. Mumu Janosky aka SubPlot aka the Iberibe Master aka Janonsense. See the nonsense you typed just to diminish my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:07am On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:
A bunch of rubbish I just typed.
Shut up your mouth! When I asked you to explain 1914 from the Bible, what did you do? You were weak doing copy and paste from your website. I said show me 1914 from the Bible, you ran away? You think your behaviour is normal? Your behaviour shows you JWs are fraudulent! Your beliefs are a joke! That's why when you go out to preach, people look at you with pity. They don't listen to you because they already know the Truth from the Bible. They are looking at you like a Sinking ship. They are listening to Jesus to stay away from you JWs. Do you think we are brainwashed like you that a group of Freemason white Men appeared from nowhere to control all of you all the way From New York, using Fear and force to make you JWs accept all their errors as doctrines or else you are called Apostate. If Watchtower is not forcing you to accept their errors as doctrines, many of you would have left that Satanic Cult. You people are here arguing for your doctrines that will soon be changed. You are here boasting that you believe the same thing but this same thing can be changed again making you JWs look like Idiots. How can you call doctrines that will soon be changed Truth? How do you want people to take you JWs seriously when your doctrines change yet the Bible has remained the same for over thousands of years? Do you even know why your doctrines change? It is because the doctrines are Lies!

You JWs are a joke! You are a laughing stock amongst religions because of your ever changing Satanic doctrines. You JWs don't know how stupid you look with your Lies. Only Almighty God and Jesus can come to your rescue.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 10:24pm On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
IBERIBEIST WAILER dey console him MUMU.
grin grin grin grin
Mumu Janosky aka Janonsense, aka the Iberibe Master, Your Cult was exposed by Jesus. Do you know what Jesus said about you JWs? He told his disciples that in the End times, False Prophets and False Christs will appear and say that Jesus has already come. He said some of them will say, The End has come or the Time is at Hand. He also said they will say He has come but he is hiding somewhere, we just can't see him, denoting Invisibility. Who are the people who have done all these Jesus exposed? You JWs. Your Satanic Founder said The time is at Hand and that the world will end in 1914 after giving a previous False date. The rest of your religious leaders came up with their own False prophecies. You JWs teach that Jesus has already come. You also said his coming is invisible, we just can't see it. Exactly as Jesus said. Jesus warned his disciples that if they hear anybody saying these things, They should stay away from such people. They must never listen to them!

Isn't it wonderful that you JWs fulfilled the words of Jesus? That's why many people have Spirit of discernment, listened to his words and stayed away from you JWs when you go out to preach. It's the Lord's doing. ☺️
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 7:20pm On Sep 01, 2023
sad sad

Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Tied To Freemasons? by Courz: 7:19pm On Sep 01, 2023
A very recent News Of a JW Elder arrested for Child Sexual Abuse. He has been previously arrested and spent some years in Prison for similar offence. So, he is repeating the same crime again.

Jehovah's witnesses, Lovers of Child Sexual Abuse and Child Sex Trafficking.

Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz:
Janosky:
The oldest Bible, older than ALL English language Bibles by more than a thousand years.
@ John 1:1 rendition: " the word was a god."




Exodus 6:3 + Psalm 83:18 KJV, the God Almighty, Jehovah is NOT anybody's son.

Acts 3:13, Jesus Christ is his Son/Servant
So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this?

Mumu Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi?
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:03am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
1 Timothy 3:16 "He was manifest in the flesh"
Greek lexicon 3739 @ 1 Timothy 3:16, Oga go & verify this fact PROVEN in the screenshot.
So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this?

Mumu Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi?
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:03am On Sep 01, 2023
So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this?

Mum Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi?
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:00am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
TRINITARIANS believing Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, is a death sentence to Trinity.

Continue WAILING.
Ozuo pro max
grin grin grin
Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate!

Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:00am On Sep 01, 2023
Mumu Janosky, answer my questions. If Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with them? Why are you dodging this question? Is it because I am exposing the stupidity of your JW logic?
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:57am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
Invite JWs in your neighborhood to answer your questions using your Bible.

Thanks.
Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So if Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate!

Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:55am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:


Sifia pains of DUBIOUS COURZ grin grin grin

@ 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

* "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout....

Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God...."

Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate!

Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:52am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
Whose voice raises the dead @1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28?

Who is the serpent @Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9?
Who is the seed defeating the serpent @ Genesis 3 15 & Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8?


Who is the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 Amplified Bible/Geneva Bibles?
JWs are correct.

Many TRINITARIANS agreed archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. Screenshot PROVEN evidences
Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate!

Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:41am On Sep 01, 2023
Mumu Janosky, is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:39am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
SHAME ON YOU DUBIOUS COURZ LYING against 1 Thessalonians 4:16.


#3 tasks JESUS HIMSELF PERFORMED performed @ 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

* "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout.."
* "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with the voice of an archangel."
*"Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God"
Mumu Janosky aka SubPlot aka the Iberibe Master, read what you typed and use your brain. The verse says he is coming with a Commanding Shout, With an archangel voice and a trumpet of God. You JWs say because he is coming with an archangels voice, therefore he is an Archangel. If he is an archangel, is he also the commanding shout and a trumpet of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:33am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
LIAR confusing himself.

The God is a spirit, said Jesus Christ. John 4:24.

Is the God , angels and Jesus spirits?
Yes. 1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT.
Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 angels called God.
Therefore, God himself, angels and Jesus, ALL of them possess the nature of spirits, the nature of spirits is the nature of God.
Simple.
Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy!

Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying.

The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse?
Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven? Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:27am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
DUBIOUS COURZ, LIAR grin grin
Psalms 8:5 & Hosea 12:3-4, did your own Bible call angels God (Elohim)?

Jesus Christ is a ministering spirit sent by God his Father.
Jesus is the archangel Michael commander of other angels, Matthew 25:31 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

John 14:28, why equate Jesus with his Father?
Is there no hierarchy in the spiritual realm?
1 Corinthians 11:3 At the very apex,God Almighty, Jesus next, followed by angels and man.



DUBIOUS COURZ LIAR grin grin
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.


#3 tasks performed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF,says your Bible @ 1 Thessalonians 4:16

* Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout..
* Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with the voice of an archangel.
*Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God


1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28, whose voice raises the dead from their graves?
Jesus Christ Of course!

DUBIOUS COURZ LIAR exposed grin grin
Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy!

Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying.

The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse?
Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven? Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:26am On Sep 01, 2023
Janosky:
Angels are ministers sent by God.
John 7:16
So Jesus told them, “My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me."

Matthew 20:28 & John 7:16, is Jesus teaching us he is a minister?
Yes.
Hebrews 1:14, "Angels are ministering spirits for those who inheriit salvation"
1 Corinthians 15:22,45, is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit for your salvation?
Yes.

Amplified Bible & Geneva Bibles @ Genesis 16:7, (published by Trinitarians) called Jesus the angel of the Lord Jehovah God
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grin grin
Get your Bible and go to Hebrews chapter 1 and read from verses 4 to 14. Tell the JW that these verses differentiated Jesus from Angels. Angel Michael is an angel. These verses tell you that God never spoke the words in those verses to any angel. He spoke those words specifically to Jesus only. Make sure you let the JW read these verses slowly. Emphasise on the verses that talk about Jesus being above the Angels and the verses that talk about God speaking to only JESUS and to no angel.

Secondly, tell the JW to open Daniel 10 verse 13. That verse is about Angel Michael being one of the Archangels or Chief Princes. If you are above the angels like Jesus as said in Hebrews I quoted, You are not meant to have an equal amongst The Angels. If Angel Michael is truly Jesus, that means Daniel 10 vs 13 is saying that Jesus has fellow Chief Princes that are equal to him having the same Heavenly position. This is not True.

Remember, Jesus is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Bible says All things, including Angels, were created by him. It was to him God said in Genesis, Let Us make man in our image. Therefore, Jesus can never have an equal amongst the Angels. He is their creator. He doesn't have fellow Chief Princes. Angel Michael has fellow Chief Princes like himself. It's just like a Governor having Special Advisers. These Special Advisers are equal, same level, same rank. Jesus has no angel sharing his rank in heaven!

This is the error of JW doctrine. Several Bible verses do not match their doctrines. Classifying Jesus as an Angel is way to reduce Jesus to the barest minimum. All Cults reduce Jesus. Jesus is above any angel. He is their Creator. This is an Antichrist teaching.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 2:15pm On Aug 31, 2023
Aemmyjah:
Anyone who believes a liar and someone who modifies other people comments is a fool just like Mr Curse
You Cult was exposed by Jesus. Do you know what Jesus said about you JWs? He told his disciples that in the End times, False Prophets and False Christs will appear and say that Jesus has already come. He said some of them will say, The End has come or the Time is at Hand. He also said they will say He has come but he is hiding somewhere, we just can't see him, denoting Invisibility. Who are the people who have done all these Jesus exposed? You JWs. Your Satanic Founder said The time is at Hand and that the world will end in 1914 after giving a previous False date. The rest of your religious leaders came up with their own False prophecies. You JWs teach that Jesus has already come. You also said his coming is invisible, we just can't see it. Exactly as Jesus said. Jesus warned his disciples that if they hear anybody saying these things, They should stay away from such people. They must never listen to them!

Isn't it wonderful that you JWs fulfilled the words of Jesus? That's why many people have Spirit of discernment, listened to his words and stayed away from you JWs when you go out to preach. It's the Lord's doing. E dey pain you say Jesus exposed una abi? grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Courz: 9:50pm On Aug 30, 2023
Aemmyjah:
Tormented liar
If you can modify other people's comments
Only a fool will believe you
You Cult was exposed by Jesus. Do you know what Jesus said about you JWs? He told his disciples that in the End times, False Prophets and False Christs will appear and say that Jesus has already come. He said some of them will say, The End has come or the Time is at Hand. He also said they will say He has come but he is hiding somewhere, we just can't see him, denoting Invisibility. Who are the people who have done all these Jesus exposed? You JWs. Your Satanic Founder said The time is at Hand and that the world will end in 1914 after giving a previous False date. The rest of your religious leaders came up with their own False prophecies. You JWs teach that Jesus has already come. You also said his coming is invisible, we just can't see it. Exactly as Jesus said. Jesus warned his disciples that if they hear anybody saying these things, They should stay away from such people. They must never listen to them!

Isn't it wonderful that you JWs fulfilled the words of Jesus? That's why many people have Spirit of discernment, listened to his words and stayed away from you JWs when you go out to preach. It's the Lord's doing. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz:
Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy!

Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying.

The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse?
Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven?
Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 7:19pm On Aug 30, 2023
delkuf, Get your Bible and go to Hebrews chapter 1 and read from verses 4 to 14. Tell the JW that these verses differentiated Jesus from Angels. Angel Michael is an angel. These verses tell you that God never spoke the words in those verses to any angel. He spoke those words specifically to Jesus only. Make sure you let the JW read these verses slowly. Emphasise on the verses that talk about Jesus being above the Angels and the verses that talk about God speaking to only JESUS and to no angel.

Secondly, tell the JW to open Daniel 10 verse 13. That verse is about Angel Michael being one of the Archangels or Chief Princes. If you are above the angels like Jesus as said in Hebrews I quoted, You are not meant to have an equal amongst The Angels. If Angel Michael is truly Jesus, that means Daniel 10 vs 13 is saying that Jesus has fellow Chief Princes that are equal to him having the same Heavenly position. This is not True.

Remember, Jesus is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Bible says All things, including Angels, were created by him. It was to him God said in Genesis, Let Us make man in our image. Therefore, Jesus can never have an equal amongst the Angels. He is their creator. He doesn't have fellow Chief Princes. Angel Michael has fellow Chief Princes like himself. It's just like a Governor having Special Advisers. These Special Advisers are equal, same level, same rank. Jesus has no angel sharing his rank in heaven!

This is the error of JW doctrine. Several Bible verses do not match their doctrines. Classifying Jesus as an Angel is way to reduce Jesus to the barest minimum. All Cults reduce Jesus. Jesus is above any angel. He is their Creator. This is an Antichrist teaching.

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