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obadiah777: you are too slow to even grasp simple explanations. if after all i have typed you still are lost, then i suggest you ask your school teachers for a refund in english comprehension classes already taken in the past. then again you are spiritually dead so whatever i am saying will be going over your head. either way i am not going to be able to help you. you need either an actual lobotomy or a spiritual lobotomy.

obadiah777: you are too slow to even grasp simple explanations. if after all i have typed you still are lost, then i suggest you ask your school teachers for a refund in english comprehension classes already taken in the past. then again you are spiritually dead so whatever i am saying will be going over your head. either way i am not going to be able to help you. you need either an actual lobotomy or a spiritual lobotomy.

You did not explain what this means after you have said good works/obedience and not sacrifice led them to be 'elect':

' the sacrifice sealed their elect status'

Your had to sacrifice his 'beloved son' so that a bunch of good people would be part of his government.you're as silly if not more than those that believe believing Jesus died for them would give them automatic ticket to paradise.

You cannot explain the significance of why a leader must punish/kill himself so that certain wrongs of his 'chosen ones' who are good people too can be written off by him to 'ensure' they be with him.silly concept of a silly god idea.

obadiah777: I SUGGEST YOU READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 7 . BEING SEALED MEANS YOU ARE PERMANENTLY BOUGHT INTO HEAVEN. YOU MADE IT. YOU CAN NEVER BE REJECTED AGAIN. THATS WHAT THE BLOOD DID. IT SEALED THEM.

I am not reading anything.I don't have time to waste reading boring fairytales.

Use your words to explain what you claimed.or are you just programmed like a robot to repeat words you hear? What does this mean:

' the sacrifice sealed their elect status'?

obadiah777: the blood sacrifice did not make them eligible as the elect. the sacrifice sealed their elect status. their works made them eligible as the elect. maybe if you were not such a rebellious strong headed person you would have been one of the elect

and you never heard me say only a few are chosen for heaven. the leaders in heaven are chosen first. those are the elect. the citizens of heaven are being chosen as we speak. try to stop being rebellious so you can be chosen

You're talking imaginations that you cannot explain or defend and you think you're funny.

What does this mean:

'the sacrifice sealed their elect status'

Explain!

You said it isn't blood sacrifice that made them eligible but their being virtuos.so what do you mean by:

' the sacrifice sealed their elect status'

obadiah777: nah thats a polite way of saying your logic is too juvenile for me to handle. either you get with this truth or you dont. its just as simple as that. what you are doing is called 'GAINSAYING'. Trying to pick apart every tiny little thing.

Stop talking grammar and explain:

How does the blood sacrifice make them eligible as the 'elect'?

You said everyone had an equal shot at it.yet others get eternal salvation but only a few are chosen for heaven.why does Jesus have to die so that a bunch of men who are good can assist him to govern?

You can't explain what you believe in?

obadiah777: YOUR ANALOGIES ARE CHILD LIKE. NO DISRESPECT TO YOU OF COURSE. LETS CONCLUDE IT LIKE THIS WITH A VERSE FROM YAHAWAH . ISAIAH 55 VS 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

I guess that's a neat smart way of saying you don't want to think and I should leave you alone?

obadiah777: CUZ EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE GOOD AND VIRTUOUS, THEY ARE STILL HUMANS. THEY STILL COMMIT SOME FORM OF SINS HOWEVER THEY DID NOT COMMIT SOME OF THE ULTIMATE SINS LIKE WORSHIPPING IDOLS. REVELATION 14 VS 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. SO THEY DID NOT FORNICATE SPIRITUALLY WITH IDOLS. THEY DID NOT JOIN THEMSELVES TO IDOLS. IDOLS ARE CALLED WOMEN IN THAT VERSE. BUT I DIGRESS, THEY ARE NOT PERFECT AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE SOME MINOR SINS THEY COMMIT. HOWEVER THE LORD WANTS THEIR SPIRIT TO PERMANENTLY RESIDE IN HEAVEN ( MEANING WHILE THEY ARE ON EARTH HE WANTS TO HAVE A 24 7 ACCESS TO THEIR SPIRIT ). COMMITTING SINS STOPS THAT 24 7 ACCESS. SIN KILLS YOUR SPIRIT AND DETACHES IT FROM GOD. SO HOW DOES HE MAINTAIN A 24 7 ACCESS TO HIS ELECT SO THAT THROUGH THEM HE CAN CONTINUE TO RUN HIS SHOW ON EARTH ? HE NEEDS 24 7 ACCESS TO THEM. AND SINCE THEY ARE STILL LIVING IN THE WORLD THEY ARE STILL VULNERABLE TO SIN. SO HE SENDS CHRIST TO HANG THEIR SIN ON THE CROSS. THIS WAY EVEN THEIR MINOR SINS WILL NOT INTERRUPT THE 24 7 ACCESS. THIS IS WHAT THE TRINITARIANS CALL THE TRINITY. THE SYNC OF THE FATHER, THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IN MAN. THESE 3 ENTITY COMPLETE THE CIRCLE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL AND THE PHYSICAL REALM.

How does Jesus dying for what you call minor sins make them perfect or at least eligible for his 'heavenly government' to make them 'elect'? It is like knowing someone is kind and good but who is a thief and cannot do without tampering with what belong to others,so you decide to give him millions to dissuade him from stealing and hand over your business to him.he may still steal.that is a practical example of appeasement.but I fail to see how someone dying or killing himself as a sacrifice can dissuade me from even minor sins or can make me perfect.based on your explanation it is no longer a blank cheque of eternal bliss to whoever believe in the 'magical' blood.rather it is based on merit of being good.so how does a sacrifice given,not offered,makes anyone good? It is either they're good and can change or repent even without any blood sacrifice,be it of human or animal,or they wouldn't regardless of sacrifice.

I should also bring to your notice that aside from the 144000 in heaven you believe in,there are also those in paradise who would gain salvation and eternal life.then what is the difference between the two? If those in paradise got salvation by themselves,then they're more deserving than those a price was given to and didn't merit it.this leave your doctrine and faith in crucifixion useless and null.Jesus could as well choose any of those in paradise to 'assist' him.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, do you want to have a rational discourse or are you more interested in just hearing your mocking voice scoff at what you don't understand?[/quote]Please shut-up.

Someone talking love cannot have a rational discourse.you got pages to be rational but I'm seeing is contradiction and amusement.

obadiah777: LET ME SEE HOW I CAN EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD HAD AN EQUAL SHOT AT SALVATION. NO PREFERENCES. EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME SHOT. FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD WE ALL EXISTED BEFORE ( I KNOW THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP ) AND WE ALL HAD AN EQUAL SHOT AT BEING PICKED AS FIRST FRUITS. HOWEVER THE LORD IS LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF GOOD MEN WHO WILL LEAD THE EARTH WHEN HIS RIGHTEOUS KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED. ALL THIS SUFFER HEAD WE ARE DOING ON EARTH NOW ? IT IS REHEARSAL FOR THE PERMANENT KINGDOM ON EARTH. SO ANYWAY THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BE PICKED TO RUN THIS PERMANENT KINGDOM HAVE TO BE PICKED FIRST. WE ALL ARE IN THE WORLD FROM THE START JUST MESSING UP AS USUAL DOING OUR OWN THING WORSHIPPING ALL KINDS OF IDOL, STEALING, KILLING AND ROBBING ( SAME STUFF WE STILL DO TODAY. NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN ). OVER THE GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS THE LORD SEEKS OUT THE BEST OF THE BEST. WHILE THE REST ARE TOO BUSY KILLING STEALING FORNICATING AND WORSHIPPING IDOLS. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY GENERATIONS IT TOOK HIM TO GET THE 144,000 BUT I AM SURE IT MUST HAVE BEEN OVER 10 GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE. BUT TRUST ME, EVEN YOU HAD A CHANCE TO BE PART OF THE 144,000 ( ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. ). SO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, IS IT FAIR HE PICKED 144,000 ? EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE SO YES IT IS FAIR.

So if they were good virtuos men chosen to be part of the 'elect' why did Jesus had to die for only them? So in your own theory Jesus died for the virtuos and not the sinners?

And saying they must be 144000 sounds like something already decided and sealed no matter how good one more person could be to become 144001.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I smile and I laugh.......Have you ever been in love? if I may ask[/quote]Good to know you believe in an emotional lover (instead of rational husband) as your god.prepare yourself for many heartbreaks-made in your heaven!!!

obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT IN YOUR ANALYSIS AND THE TRUTH IS CHRIST ONLY DIED FOR THE FIRST FRUIT. THE REST OF US PAY FOR OUR SINS EVERYDAY. ITS CALLED THE LAW OF KARMA ( GALATIANS 6 VS 7 )

What kind of unfair treatment is this?

What makes them 'first fruit'? Why must they not pay for their own sins while others must?and you call the 144000 'elect'? It is like choosing among armed robbers and cocaine peddlers to become government ministers and passing a bill in parliament to forgive them,worse your god had to kill his son before he allows that bill to be passed by himself!!!

Whether you claim he died for everyone or just some,you're all crazy.crazy firstly because you believe a loving father had to kill his own son before he can accept himself to forgive for another crime against him.secondly for believing in human sacrifice.yuck!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow, here we go again......

The point is you owe a debt, your creditor forgives your debt at his own cost, he then tells you that he has forgiven your debt and what it cost him to do so but you say it is irrational. You leave him no choice than to collect the debt from you since you insist on paying it.

Christianity is that simple.[/quote]In that case it is not my business and it doesn't make sense if the creditor sells his own son into slavery to have the money I am owing him and to forgive me.if he likes he can put a pistol in his a$$ and fire! If he is to write my debt off and can afford to,I wonder what is the use of destroying the life of his own son and then tell me what it costs him.it shows my damage to his budget is irreparable,he couldn't afford to forgive my debt without a cost and I ended up free without being bothered.it also shows the creditor is stupid,to add more injury to himself to forgive another injury.he had to sell his son into slavery to write off my debt and tell me with a smile 'I forgive you and this was the cost'!olodo!

Funnier christians believe he so loved the world to torture his son and kill him for sinners who have not stopped sinning and humanity that have not stopped dying and suffering.yet still we are back to square one:we are threatened by bible thumpers if we don believe in the gift of salvation before it is given unto us,and we sin we would end up burning in fire.

This apart from being silly,incoherent,contradicyory and funny,it is fraudulent!

Thirteen police injured in Northern Ireland sectarian clashes


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Seven Northern Irish police officers were injured when violence flared during the pro-British parade in central Belfast, police said. (Peter Muhly, AFP/Getty Images)


Reuters

4:55 p.m. CDT, September 2, 2012

BELFAST (Reuters) - At least 13 police were injured in clashes between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland on Sunday in a dispute over the rights of the two communities to hold parades in the area.

Police fired water cannon after protesters from both sides threw bottles and stones at officers trying to separate the rival groups in north Belfast. At least three officers were taken to hospital, a police spokeswoman said.

The disturbances followed a march by a Catholic Irish nationalist band in an area where pro-British Protestant groups were recently barred from marching.

Last weekend seven police officers were hurt in the same area when a Protestant band marched past a Catholic church playing music in defiance of a ban from the parades commission, which regulates marches in the province.

Since a peace agreement was signed in 1998, paramilitary violence between the province's Catholics and Protestants, which had raged on and off for three decades, has largely ended, but much of Belfast remains divided along sectarian lines.

Riots often erupt during the summer months when pro-British Protestant groups hold traditional parades that are seen as provocative by Catholic Irish nationalists, many of whom want to be part of a united Ireland.

(Writing by Conor Humphries; Editing by Jon Hemming)

Copyright © 2012, Reuters

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-irish-violencebre8810cf-20120902,0,5984437.story

this topic is so ridiculous that i could not stop laughing.yet i find it very informative.i now know too well about the 'virus' crawling among Muslims.i think this thread should go to the front page.definitely!

zangality: You must be kidding right?...

he is not kidding o.that one dem write for their jewish talmud.

frosbel: I will rather be insulted by Jews than blown up by Arabs

All these self-hating black people who hate the white man and love their Arab oppressors, I pity you , no wonder the Lebanese treat you like 'trash' in your country

abeg,my friend go sidon.

you are the only one here that accepts being treated like 'trash'.and you are still preaching to others and praising the jews.a person against oppression would not choose or prefer one over the other.it shows you're a christian slave to your jewish masters just talking nonsense.

violence and beatings and racial slander-where is the UN?

and most importantly where is the Nigerian government? Nigerians and blacks cannot walk the streets of Tel Aviv.they are done with the palestinians and now they have turned to blacks with their zionist racism.na wa o.

Prominent Catholic priest and TV personality, Rev. Thomas Williams, admits fathering child

The revelation immediately raised questions about when Williams' superiors knew of the existence of the child, given that the birth occurred several years ago

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 8:20 PM

Updated: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 8:34 PM

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Rev. Thomas Williams, a moral theologian and prominent American author, said in a statement he was ‘deeply sorry for this grave transgression’ against his vows of celibacy.

VATICAN CITY -- The Legion of Christ religious order, still reeling from 2009 revelations that its late founder was a pedophile who fathered three children, was hit Tuesday by another scandal after its most well-known priest admitted he had fathered a child several years ago.

The Rev. Thomas Williams, a moral theologian and prominent American author, lecturer and television personality, said in a statement he was "deeply sorry for this grave transgression" against his vows of celibacy. He said he would be taking a year off to reflect on what he had done and his commitment to the priesthood.

The revelation immediately raised questions about when Williams' superiors knew of the existence of the child, given that the birth occurred several years ago and that Williams, a former superior of the order's Rome headquarters, has never stopped speaking out on issues of moral conscience. A Legion spokesman said the order had decided not to disclose when it learned about his child.

Williams' admission was issued after The Associated Press last week presented the Legion with the allegation against Williams, which was lodged by a Spanish association of Legion victims. The association's accusations, sent to the Legion and Vatican several weeks ago, also named other Legion priests accused of sexually abusing minors.

Williams, who was not accused of abuse, said that "a number of years ago" he had a relationship with a woman and fathered her child. He didn't identify the mother and didn't say whether the relationship was over. He also did not identify the gender or say if he was helping to support the child.

The Legion has been beset by scandal following revelations that its late founder, the Rev. Marciel Maciel, fathered three children with two women and sexually abused his seminarians. Maciel died in 2008, and in 2009 the Legion admitted to his crimes. The Maciel scandal has been particularly sensational given that the Mexican-born priest was held up by Pope John Paul II as a model for the faithful, with his priests admired for their orthodoxy and ability to bring in money and attract new seminarians.

The facade, however, began to crumble in 1997 with revelations of his abuse, though it wasn't until 2006 that the Vatican sanctioned Maciel to a lifetime of prayer and penance for his crimes. Just last week, the Legion admitted that seven of its priests were under investigation by the Vatican for allegedly sexually abusing minors - suggesting that the same culture of secrecy and silence that Maciel used to cover his crimes enabled other priests to abuse children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/prominent-catholic-priest-tv-personality-rev-thomas-williams-admits-fathering-child-article-1.1078875

here is the warrant:

regardless of how you see the Gaga show,this is evident of how the white man divides and conquers.no where in the world this is more evident than in the Korean peninsula.the americans came in to "free" the koreans from communism and give them "democracy".today about half of south koreans are christians while the north koreans who are communists have maintained their culture and religions of buddhism,shintoism and confucianism.this is colonialism indeed and how christianity is propagated and promoted through brainwashing indigenous people and supressing thme.the story of oppression and forceful coverstion is also in the philippines,the most populous christian country in asia.the USA still maintains 35000 troops in south korea.there is no difference whatsoever between the north and the south.the same people divided by politics thanks to american military occupation of korea,the complacency of south koreans and believing that the american culture is "cool".funny enough recently,an american troop ra.ped a south korean lady and the americans went to hide that soldier.thats when you see how oppressed the south koreans are taking to the streets to protest without any effect.

Korean Christians aim to stop Lady Gaga's "pornographic" show

By Ju-min Park

SEOUL | Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:24pm EDT

SEOUL (Reuters) - Christian groups in South Korea called on Friday for pop icon Lady Gaga to cancel her concert here saying it was "pornographic" and promoted homosexuality.

South Korea's government has already bowed to public pressure and banned under-18s from attending the 26-year old's concert, but protesters gathered outside the venue said that was not enough.

"Some people can accept this as another culture but its impact is huge beyond art and debases religions. Even adults can't see her performance which is too homosexual and pornographic," said Yoon Jung-hoon, a reverend who organized the "Civilians Network against the Lady Gaga Concert".

The singer's hit song "Born This Way" celebrates the empowerment of gay men and women, something that many in South Korea, which is the second most Christian country in Asia after the Philippines, say is an immoral lifestyle.

Lady Gaga, whose real name is Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, has been in Seoul for close on a week as she kicks off her Asian "Born this Way" tour.

"Nervous for tonight. Hope I make little monsters happy and proud," she Tweeted a few hours before the concert kicked off.

Yoon's group claims to have collected 5,000 supporters on Facebook against the concert and some have also called for a boycott of the sponsor Hyundai Card. The protesters have also threatened a boycott of its parent company, Hyundai Motor Co, South Korea's largest car-maker.

"The Christian Council of Korea with 12 million Christians and 55,000 churches will take all kinds of measures such as boycotting Hyundai Card to root out this kind of obscene culture," the council said in a statement.

Yoon said he would attend the concert to "monitor" the performance for homosexual content that could corrupt young people.

(Reporting by Ju-min Park; Editing by David Chance and Sanjeev Miglani)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/27/entertainment-us-ladygaga-korea-idUSBRE83Q0DC20120427

SHAMGAR

for being so unbelievably fictitious that even christians dont give him attention or credit.Shamgar killed 600 philistines with a stick in "god's inspired bible" !!!

Judges 3:31

After Ehud came Shamgar son of Anath, who struck down six hundred Philistines with an oxgoad. He too saved Israel.

[size=14pt]Suicide Bombing: The First Was A Christian[/size]

Skynews 3:06pm UK, Wednesday July 27, 2005

The first recorded suicide bombing came from Christian soldiers during the Crusades to free The Holy City of Jerusalem from the control of Muslim armies.During the Crusades, the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships with 140 Christians on board in order to kill 10 times as many Muslims in the opposing fleet.

Even in the Bible a reference is made to a suicide as a means of killing an enemy.

"And Samson said, 'Let me die with the Philistines!' And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life." Book of Judges 16:30, Old Testament.

An early example of suicide bombing occurred during the Belgian Revolution in 1831 - the war between the Dutch and the Belgians - when the Dutch Lt Jan van Speijk blew up his own ship in the harbour of Antwerp to prevent being captured by the Belgians.

He had been ordered to take down his Dutch flag but said: "I would rather blow myself up." He killed dozens of his enemies in the process.

In World War II, Kamikaze pilots acted as human missiles, flying their planes with explosives, directly into US warships.

In the 1950s, Viet Minh "death volunteers" were used against the French colonial army.

Most famously, Palestinian organisations have sent more than 70 suicide bombers on missions against Israeli targets.

The Tamil Tigers are another prolific example, and their Black Tiger unit has committed some 76 suicide bombings since 1987 using more than 240 attackers.

Their victims included former Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and many prominent Sri Lankan leaders.

In 1981 the Islamic Dawa Party's suicide bomber attackedthe Iraqi embassy in Beirut.

Hezbollah carried out a bombing of the US embassy in April 1983 and the attack on US Marine and French barracks in October 1983 which brought international attention to suicide bombings.

By 1999 Islamic factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement and the Ba'ath Party were all using the method.

The Syrian Social Nationalists were the first to use a female suicide bomber.

In 1986 they had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them.

Hezbollah was the only one to attack overseas, bombing the Israeli embassy.

In September 11, 2001, terrorists used passenger jets to destroy the towers of the World Trade Centre in New York City.

Still the so-called justification of the suicide attacks is spouted by religious and political leaders.

As Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin said: "Once we have warplanes and missiles, then we can think of changing our means of legitimate self-defence.

"But right now, we can only tackle the fire with our bare hands and sacrifice ourselves."

In modern history, suicide bombings also appeared as a tactic among the Tamil Tiger seperatist group in Sri Lanka.

Women bombers were used to try to force the government to hand over the Tamil area of the country.

In Iraq, insurgents are using the tactic against Western and Iraqi government targets. They are also killing dozens of civilians.


http://news.sky.com/home/article/1190443

Muhehehe
biribiri!

Na wa for the stain wey jehovah purportedly blessed for samson.

Muhehehe!

Judges 16:19-30
"And she made him sleep upon her knees; and she called for a man, and she caused him to shave off the seven locks of his head; and she began to afflict him, and his strength went from him.And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.But the Philistines took him, and put out his eyes, and brought him down to Gaza, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison house.Howbeit the hair of his head began to grow again after he was shaven.Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god, and to rejoice: for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand.And when the people saw him, they praised their god: for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us. And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport: and they set him between the pillars.And Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand, Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house standeth, that I may lean upon them.Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport. And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.[/b]And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.And Samson said,[b]Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkqEOBjeJo

merry easter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHF5evfPwmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFYCzFHbgl8&feature=fvwrel

Only In Christianity And In The Christian Mind:

"Father" Kills his son= Love!

"Judge" Punishes One Innocent Man Instead Of Criminals=Justice!

God Does Human Sacrifice= Salvation!

is this line of thinking not really destructive to the human mind and soul?

So much love by christians!