johnw47:


Psalms 89:6 For who in the skies can compare to Jehovah? Who among the SONS of God is like Jehovah?

who in the skies, meaning the angels - the sons of the Almighty, can compare to Father GOD
none of the angels can compare to FATHER GOD
the verse is referring to angels-the sons of God, because we know Jesus Christ the Son of God compares to
Father God perfectly:

Jesus is the image of God, 2Co_4:4
Jesus is the image of the invisible God, Col_1:15
Jesus is the brightness of his glory, the express image of his person, Heb_1:3

Jesus the man is exactly like Father God

so the question read 1corinthians 11:3 is Christ God?

I want them trinitarians to explain the account of John 12 :49-50
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me

with their claim of John 1:1(of which most of the modern translations have distorted the earliest reproduce of the original scriptures according To reasearch #wikipedia)

Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”Matthew 4:10
..this is a what Jesus himself said..so if he's God can he make this statement?

Prophey about Jesus the Messiah at Micah 5:2-4 ( King James version)

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. 4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth ..
this account is what Jehovah revealed to Micah the prophet about Jesus.. .he shall stand and feed in :1. Jehovah's strength
2.in the majesty of the name of Jehovah HIS GOD

but at Psalms 89:6 the Bible says For who in the skies can compare to Jehovah? Who among the SONS of God is like Jehovah?

Micah 5: 2-4
points that Jehovah is the God of Jesus..
no doubts
The Account of 1Timoty 2:5 says that:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus

And let's meditate on the Account of Acts 4:24-30 here the apostles prayed to Jehovah .. they even addressed Jesus as a servant of Jehovah..if we are to be real, this account refutes the Trinity doctrine effectively

success541:
Jehovah witness are fake people

That's what you thought the. truth about Jehovah's witnesses is recorded in 2corinthians 6:8-10
through glory and dishonor, through bad report and good report. We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful, 9 as unknown and yet we are recognized, as dying and yet look! we live, as punished and yet not handed over to death, 10 as sorrowing but ever rejoicing, as poor but making many rich, as having nothing and yet possessing all things.

mattew 24:36
“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the SON, but only the Father
I don't know why this account is in the Bible if The son is the father
to think of it
at Matt 3:16-17 Jehovah called Jesus his son with a voice straight from heaven.. How come then could Jehovah could be referring to himself
and at John 16:28 Jesus said I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father. if Jesus is the father why does he say he s going to The FATHER?

at John chapter 17 Jesus prayed to his Father how come Jesus is the FATHER?
verse 21 of chapter 17 of John gives us meaning of the statement 'i and my father are one' when Jesus said in prayer. "so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in UNION with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me."

zodiakzax:



.. obviously you realised that my reply wasn't directed to you.. off topic..

yes of course your reply wasn't directed to Tat or me or any Jehovah's witnesses anywhere
it's directed to Jehovah's name.. and every man Will be rewarded Romans 12:19

zodiakzax:
Guys I have a nice for you... in this link JW's categorically in their topic Who or What are angels state that Angels were created by God through Jesus.

In their sub topic DO ANGELS HAVE INDIVIDUAL NAMES AND PEROSNALIITES; they said Yes. And went ahead to name the two angels they know by name being Michael and Gabriel.


Now if God created the ANGELS,Michael and Gabriel inclusive through JESUS then how come come Jesus is Michael? I mean evidently God created All angels not some through Jesus, so how come Jesus is also an angel?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-are-angels/

you can search for 'who is Michael The Archangel'
on our official website www.jw.org

TATIME:
Na wa ooooooooo. I said i've found the truth and it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that's practicing it,so if you've gotten a better option just signify by mentioning their group name. Period!

Forward You witnesses!

Revelation 12:7 Michael and his Angels

2 Thessalonians 1:7 Jesus and his powerful Angels
.this is what The Bible says.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an ARCHANGEL'S voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

Jude verses 9 refers to Michael as the Archangel

brocab:
{Matthew 24:27} So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. {Like the JW's do} For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
{It's quite funny, you argue the fact's Jehovah is coming back at the end of time, and now you are claiming it's Michael, you are mistaken, the Word of God said: the Son of man is coming back, when we see these signs at the end of this age}
{2 Thessalonians 1:6-7}God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
As we can see Jesus is coming with His angels-'it's a big gap between Jesus and Michael..

Yes no doubts about the Day of Jehovah..
Jehovah will use Jesus Christ his chief Angel to Execute his Judgement Read what 1corinthians 15:24-28 says:
Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone

{Hebrews 1:13-14} But to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?
Hmm... let's not be sentimental about this.. this account relates Jesus with the other Angels No doubt and letting us know that he was glorified than the Angels upon returning to Heaven
Hebrews 2: 9 says:
But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone

Psalms 8:5 and 6 says
You made him a little lower than godlike ones,And you crowned him with glory and splendor. 6 You gave him dominion over the works of your hands;You have put everything under his feet

brocab:
“The Lord said: I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. {The Watchtower}
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
{Jude 1:9} But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!
How Can Michael be Jesus, when Michael couldn't rebuke Lucifer but said the Lord rebuke you?
{Luke 4:1-13}"And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’
Jesus rebuked Lucifer the devil in the desert, and Michael couldn't rebuke a follow angel, Lucifer was the first born of Heaven. They called him the light bearer.
{Hebrews 1:6-8} And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”
{Michael didn't worship himself-he worship Jesus} Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.…
{Hebrews 1:13-14} But to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?…
So you are mistaken, If you had read the scriptures, Jesus knew the thoughts of men, He made sure He wrote Hebrews so the world knows He is not an angel! "Michael did not come to earth as Jesus-but Jesus came to earth as Emanuel meaning-With Us is God! "Michael is not God!

Revelation 12 :7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Daniel 12:1-2
During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt
These Michael here points to Jesus Bro..The Archangel the commander of Jehovah's Army
2 Thessalonians 1:7

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm well,true Christianity is about maturity,deep respect and mild temper. 1Peter 3:15
You can say whatever you like since it's your nature of response to thought provoking questions, but if you're not ready to distinguish or point out the religious group that's following Jesus' footsteps today i guess there is no need disturbing your brains.
But know today that the only reason that the Pharisees and other religious groups in ancient Israel were persecuting the Christians is because they were claiming to be the one and only source to divine wisdom,therefore if you can't say the same thing but antagonising the group making such claim then i'll take it that you belong to that ancient persecutors of Christians. Because they can't point to a single platform for divine wisdom whereas the Christians on the other hand kept saying "ONLY we have the truth".

TATIME
bro let's not continue with These people in arguments..we should remember that Jehovah will draw those Rightly disposed to himself and he Knows how to finish his work..
So far no progress has been made ..and we can't use our own understanding to draw them..
let's take caution of whom we are spending time with..

in Jesus Case at Revelation 1:​17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:​12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:​13-​15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:​18; Colossians 1:​18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:​40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.

At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:​35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega

OneJ:


They have read it but ,like the Pharisees in Jesus day, they are enemies of the truth. Arrogance & mumu virus run very deep in their hearts . No mind them jare

that's it Bro .
Imagine this...
if Jesus is God..so when he died then Jehovah is Dead and Holy spirit is Dead too
so what now ressurect them all ?

That's it Brother
I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father John 16:28

Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.” 28 So they said to him: “What must we do to carry out the works of God?” 29 In answer Jesus said to them: “This is the work of God, that you exercise faith in the one whom he sent.” -john 6: 27-29

But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”matt:4;4

Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Matt 4:10

Jesus can't say this things if he's the father(Jehovah)

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God- 1corinthians 11:3 Paul can't say this if Jesus is God

And now, Jehovah, give attention to their threats, and grant to your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness,  while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus -Acts 4: 29-30

The apostles can't pray like this if Jesus is God .. they even called Him a servant of Jehovah

Haaah this is serious oh

zodiakzax:


Where is OneJ

Read Luke 4:18-21
you can find The explanation..

johnw47:


truly oh lying false jw onej of no understanding, the people God took out for His name are the saints in all the churches
that leaves out false jw's who think they are God's only church, when in fact you are a church of satan

none of the christian churches say that the Word is "a god"

none of the christian churches say Father is almighty God and Jesus is mighty god

ha ha truly blinded onej, there is only one true God and the Word is not "a god"-"a false god" as
you phony jw's believe

talk about mumu, you must be the father of mumu's



none of the christian churches say Jesus was not bodily resurrected

only satan's inspired false jw church says these lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Stories.. Explain what they said you taking about Jehovah's Church ... okay what's the meaning of church?
Now judge the churches in the world that claims to be God's with Jehovah's witnesses with with the account of mattew 7:14

TATIME:
I've stopped wasting precious times with those who aren't "RIGHTLY DISPOSED". They've concluded in their hearts that those not accepting the common and popular religious traditions or beliefs around the world are on the wrong side. Whereas what Jesus taught plus His style of teaching was uncommon. Matthew 7:28,29
Their Pastors will keep telling them "you will be the head and not the tail" they'll make them go hungry,calling it 'fasting' all because of worldly possessions and by the end of the day they'll say "we're worshipping the Lord"
When God's own servants are zealously preaching and teaching people about EQUITY which must be learnt now so that humble and honesthearted individuals can see reasons with the message of God's kingdom. But their pastors keep teaching them the "me first" attitude even when Apostle Paul clearly said that true love does not seek for personal interests. 1Corinthians 13:5
I believe that wasting time with these ones is pointless because it's what they want in their hearts that they desire to hear instead of the truth as revealed in God's word. 2Timothy 4: 2,3
If they're truly believers let them go and meet people in their homes just as Jesus commanded, not standing in the corner of the streets or buses and making noise,trying to force their rubbish on others. Because Jesus knows that it's not everyone that will like to hear the truth that's why He said "go and meet them at home" so that each person can choose whether to listen or not. Matthew 10:11-15

yeah Brother

it's not possible to give what you don't Have..

brocab:
The Word of God is stronger and Mightier against the principalities and the demonic demons that always come out of the Watchtower trying to destroy the Almighty works of the Lord in all His Glory.."JW you are deafeningly lost in the meadows?
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" {which means:"With Us is God "God with us"}
Now since you are having problems to understand your mental block, and you can't seem to accept God can pour out His Spirit unto His Sons and Daughters at the same time!
Then I suppose you don't accept the story of Mary nor Elisabeth both were filled in the Holy Spirit, before and after given birth to Jesus Christ our Lord and savour and John the Baptist!
{Acts 2:1-4} When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting' 'They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. {All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them}
Did you read that, all of them were filled in One Spirit, {Not different spirits} One Spirit-the Spirit didn't jump from one to another, all of them spoke in tongues together, "His disciples spoke in different languages that edified other people that heard them speak in their own languages about God!

Bro Onej no mind them Jare.. it's not new the Pharisees even say Jesus is using Satans power to do things.. so what is the difference..we are finding those Rightly disposed you Know matt 12:24
But a time is coming when pples Will know that Jehovah indeed have a pple for his name in this world Acts 15:14 Ezekiel 38:23
But it was God active Force, Influencing the apostles

johnw47:

maybe it was the two power lines curled around each other that made crazy crysthaniel believe
that the two rainbows might be two pythons;

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why do you take this stuff serious seff
.I don't say python is Rainbow what I said is that phython may be the cause according to youruba tradition... they say they usually vomit something that shines through the sky to form rainbows
And in the Long run, Everything Attributes To Jehovah No matter how Rainbow formed Even scientists are not able to make an artificial Rainbow as perfect as the natural one
But I am not saying that compulsorily phytons are the cause coz this idea is Funny Even Baseless but according To my last post in that Thread , only Jehovah can perfectly Explain How rainbow are formed
Hebrews 3:4

brocab:
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. ”How can you accomplish such a task, when you know yourself you don't really exist with the living.
You are dead in your trespass and sins, where you have chosen to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.…
Before we surrender to the Holy Spirit’s urging, our spirits are dead to the things of God {Romans 8:8}
You are dead spiritually and have no way to make yourself alive, you are just as a corpse that cannot do anything to help yourself, so you cannot save yourselves or make a move to cleanse your sins, you cannot even produce the desire to obey God.

what makes you think like this?

A spirit person is different from Holy spirit
demons are spirit persons also 1kings 22:21 as well as Jesus John 3:13 and The Angels

of course Jehovah is not an active force.. this Will give us the proper view of John 4:24
He's a spirit person
Holy spirit is God's power in Action dats why Jehovah will 'pour' out his spirit or power to pples in d last days

baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ implies recognition of that spirit as having its source in God and as exercising its function according to the divine will.
Compare Joel 2:28-29

personification doesn't guarantee personality
Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.So, likewise with John’s account

About Creation read further in the Bible to get the meaning of Genesis 1:2 in Psalms 33:6 also Isaiah 40:26
Holy spirit is God's power in Action

so The thing is
1.God is a spirit John 4:24.
2.Holy spirit is God's power in action.micah 3:8 Genesis 1:1-3 Luke 1:35 Luke 4:18 Acts 1:8
3. Jehovah's Holy spirit (or power (in Action)) Helps God's people maintain their Loyalty to Him Galatians 5:22-23
also read Luke 24:49 John 15:26 Acts 2:4

brocab:
I am not expecting the JW's to understand anything concerning the scriptures: but lets just pray 'just maybe someone in the flock of Watchtower lunatics, could understand how a Spirit can enter into the living..
{Matthew 8:28-32}When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon, possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way.
{29} And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
{30} Now a good way off from them there was a herd of many swine feeding.
{31} So the demons begged Him, saying, “If You cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine.”
{32} And He said to them, “Go.” So when they had come out, they went into the herd of swine. And suddenly the whole herd of swine ran violently down the steep place into the sea, and perished in the water.
So the story say's Jesus sent the spirits into the herd of swine that ran into the sea-so the demonic spirits manage to control all the swine to run violently into the water? These demons controlled the swine to drown? "but you can't believe Jesus sent the Spirit of God to enter into more then one man at the same time, coming together in one accord to teach all truth about Christ in His Glory!
Another good example {Matthew 10:19-20} But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; {20} for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
These verses are as sure as it can get, if their is many of us, waiting trial, after the JW's have turned us over to the governor, the Spirit will speak in us in the last hour!

                                                                                     

The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.

In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:

Breath.—Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15.

Wind.—Genesis 8:1; John 3:8.

The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.—Job 34:14, 15.

A person’s disposition or attitude.—Numbers 14:24.

Spirit persons, including God and the angels.—1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24.

These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.


The holy spirit is not a person

By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. (Luke 11:13) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.—Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6.

The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision

So Jesus Explelling demons in the Bible is that He's using Jehovah's power or spirit to perform this things -Luke 4:18-21
God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.