Janosky:


Acts20:28 the verse wey Studylight.Org , your Trinity brothers, say na FRAUD, you still import this Fraud come here
FRAUD is not a mystery to understand.


God (Hebrew EL) is a title of Yahweh, Man , angels and Jesus Christ.
It's understandable.

U like Repeating baseless argument.
We all understand the difference between "God" and "god" even though they have the same spelling. It's true. Only a child will find it hard to differentiate.

[I would have laughed if it were another topic that we're discussing. ]

ELOHIM "of" elohim [God of gods] is who I'm talking about.


Secondly, I don't really find it funny when people doubt the authenticity of the scriptures. It happens that any biased human being can just doubt any verse that doesn't suit him; don't be surprised that some theologians are atheists- you are heading towards that direction if care is not taken.

Blabbermouth:

I don't believe Jesus is Angel Michael but Janosky was right.

Division of labour... Right?

Okay?

Commentary: The writer here is telling us to emulate something about Christ. Which is?

Humility:
What Christ did was a remarkable manifestation of humility. He is meant to be a role model to us. Why shouldn't a man be humble if Christ being equal to God could strip himself of glory to fulfill the predeterminate council; and was obedient unto death?

Commentary: The phrase "in the form of God" ... Is to say "the nature of God".... So the writer is saying Christ had the nature of God but he didn't let that Get in his Head and start thinking he himself is equal to God.

This is God's Word, we need not cut it to suit us: since you seek a more elaborate explanation, therefore let's use the amplified version. I will attach it below.
He knew he was equal with God; he just laid it down: didnt let it stop him from achieving his goal: He kind of dropped his rights to the throne and took the form of a man. All for our sakes.

Commentary: Even with the nature of God, he expressed himself like a servant[/b]

Commentary: This Christ who was fashioned as a man humbled himself and was obedient unto death....
What shall we say then, Jesus is God Almighty with this verse?

Jesus is an integral dimension of God; Having the qualites that make God God; creator, He who sits on the throne, having all authority in heaven and on Earth.(John1:1-3)
(Acts20:28 agrees with this witness too).

As he stripped himself of the right to the throne, he entrusted all glory to God the Father ; being the custodian of all Authority and power having equal rights to the throne. He[Christ] became way lower, even lower than the angels. This version of him had to be Subject to the Father until Glory is bestowed upon Him again. This He did all for our sakes; every single moment of it. What a love! Greater love hath no man than this..

Philippians2:5-11
AMP:Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6
AMP: Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,

7
AMP:But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.

8
AMP:And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!


9
AMP:Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him The Name that is above every name,

10
AMP:That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11
AMP:And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

I think this version is very elaborate and nice .[pls, refer to a post I made earlier today: it will help us with the rest of the questions]

Janosky:


Are you not in the form of your Father?
John 14:28, Are you your father?

Imperfect Slave (John 20:28) wey Una say him sabi pass him perfect Master (John 20:17,31) show say una be WAYO slave.
Rev3: 5,12, na Jesus talk am

You dey claim say Yahweh died on earth, that is the Koko of blasphemy

I am an adopted son born out of due season; when Christ paid the price. I obtained access to my Father's authority through proxy: a power of attorney.
[search that out for clarification]

Jesus had existed with The Father from the beginning (John1:1-3),

Jesus obtained that throne through inheritance [he is the creator with God the Father, through the Spirit],

he obtained that Name through bestowment after (having stripped himself of glory, laying down his right to the throne, and died) he resurrected and returned to the Father.

AND by conquest when he spoiled principalities and power and made an open show of them; triumphing over them.

Therefore, when he stood before the Father to obtain the glory Again, this happened: during the coronation ceremony [all of creation testified: they couldn't keep quiet; He was truly wothy to receive glory and all that the throne represents];

Revelation 5:11-13

"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. "

Janosky:


Rev3:5,12,21 is revelation from the spiritual realm.

Do you know spiritual matters more than Jesus Christ?

No I don't know more than Christ: but that which His word says I know according to the understanding given. Therefore, I agree with Him as touching all of His Word in unison.

[you could have been humble enough to check out those scriptures; if you are trying to protect your ego or a doctrine , it will do you greater harm if we are to examine those scriptures here]

For a start:
John 17:5
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was ."

The glory that Christ obtained, is it not to sit with God upon the throne? Having obtained all authority and power in heaven and Earth. they had it before the word began.

Janosky:


Imperfect Slave (John 20:28) wey Una say him sabi pass him perfect Master (John 20:17,31) show say una be WAYO slave.
Rev3: 5,12, na Jesus talk am

You dey claim say Yahweh died on earth, that is the Koko of blasphemy

Answered in my post up there: this reply is a proof that you didn't read till the end, neither did you check out the Scriptures.

People like you find it hard agreeing with God's Word and when it becomes irrefutable you doubt it's authenticity. To win an argument is too small a reason for me to type such. [ I refer you the post up there] the aim is not to make you feel less of a Bible scholar; but to edify The Church; through unadulterated Word of God.

Janosky:
Bros, there is no mystery there..
According to your Bible, The Hebrew EL (God) is a title of Man, Yahweh, angels and Jesus Christ.

No need trying so hard to build a FRAUD around it.

We know: I mean ELOHIM "of" Elohim.
If you like put Yahweh in it's place.

Don't make unnecessary diversions, pls.

Read those scriptures and it will bless us if we are humble enough to agree with God.

FOR US TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS MYSTERY, WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR CONCEPTION OF WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.:GOD.
In the following, we shall find answers to the questions of many: some scriptures were highlighted (not all; they were just too many: we will address them, if need be). Now, to business.

Cc: Janosky , Blabbermouth , bloodofthelamb , Haddeylium, Maximus69, DappaD, Chatinent, Janosky,
DrLiveLogic, Emusan, Csonice1, Petra1,Anas09, Solite3 :

The word "God" simply means:
Creator and ruler over the universe: it would be very unscriptural to exempt The Father, His Word or His Spirit from the responsibility or credit of creation. The Spirit of God is God Himself, unlimited by a body; the same Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.
Now, The Lord is the Spirit*(IICor.3:17)
The first appearance of the Spirit of the Lord was as a creator*(Genesis1:1,2)


Genesis1:1,2
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3And God said....]"

The Word was with God in the beginning: and He Himself (The Word) being God.*(John1:1&2)
There is nothing [ absolutely nothing] that was created that was not created by Christ; He created all things; all angels; all dominion and all strata of created existence. Anything created, that was not made by Christ does not exist.*(John 1:3, Hebrews 11:3)


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The significance of the word "God" is that whoever bears that Name is the creator and Highest Authority or ruler over the universe; having existence from the beginning.
It is a position:an office: represented by the Throne[singular] of God. Whomever sits on the Throne is God: because He is the Creator and is Almighty : Alpha-Omega. It so happens that ELOHIM [Father, Son and Spirit] qualified for that position.

THE FATHER IS CREATOR
THE WORD IS CREATOR
THE SPIRIT IS CREATOR

THE FATHER SITS ON THE THRONE: THE SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE: BOTH HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT; THE CREATOR.
THREE PERSONS IN ONE GOD.

The reason [why] God is called God is found across all of Scripture; because He is the possessor of the heavens and the Earth, He created the Heavens and the Earth; the Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.*(ref.psalm89:11, psalm104:24,30)

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

It so happens that the eligible occupants [scripturally] of that office - The Throne - ;
is the Father, His Word and His Eternal Spirit, all United in one.
*
Genesis1:1,2
psalm104:30
John 1:1-3
Hebrews1:1-3
Colossians1:15-17, Colossians2:8-10


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the water.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Hebrews 1:1-3
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES CAREFULLY*( Philippians2:11)

"And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"

Note that it is not "God,the Father"-but it is -
"God the Father" ; they are two different things.
"God the Father" is signifying the dimension(person) of God called "The Father".
In other words, this implies literally that if there is "God the Father", then obviously there is God the Son [scripturally speaking]. And matt.28:19 United them with the Spirit in the Name ( not names) : This Name- speaking of the Authority already spoken of in verse18. That Name is Lord [the position now occupied by Jesus]: that Name is God : Having authority (power) in Heaven and on Earth; it's the Name of He that sits upon the THRONE.
*Matt 28:18&19


Matthew 28:18,19
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The Lord Jesus was in God as an integral dimension of Him: being His Word. The Word came out(forth) of the Father and was with Him, even in the beginning: And the Word was God because he sat with God on the Throne and was the creator: because He is God's Word by the power of His Spirit* (John1:1-3, Hebrews11:3)


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

[b] Now, when the time came for the redemption of man: [something wonderful happened]: He made himself of no reputation and took upon Him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of a man; despite being equal with God.
Here, having made himself of no reputation, he was subject (obedient) to the Father and the Father sent him into the Earth for this purpose. No one took his glory from Him, he laid it down; No one took his life from him, he became mortal of his own accord. So, all power, kingdom and glory was in the hand of the one who sat on the throne; He decides what happens; Jesus has to trust that the love of God will see him through_ that the Father will not allow Him to see corruption_ that after he had drank from the cup, that the Father will raise him back to glory and he wasn't mistaken. Through integrity, the Father will always stick to His Word; as touching their agreement through the Spirit before the world began.*
Therefore, when He[Christ] had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of Majesty on High (the same position of authority with the Father)*
Romans1:4
Hebrews1:1-3
Philippians2:5-11 [/b]




What Christ manifested is the most remarkable form of humility, love and faith ( trusting on the integrity of the Father).
[ I could envision Him come down from the throne and say: "Father, here I am, send me"]* He made himself of no reputation; that's to say He sold out his right to the throne and became like a servant, even lower than angels. He laid down all and became mortal.
When He arrived at the Earth he said " I have come to do your will" *
Hebrews10:5-7
John12:27&28
John 16:27&28
John 17:5


Now, it was in the power of God the Father at this moment to do as it pleases with Him; for He [Christ] had committed himself to the one who judges righteously; having stripped himself of glory: he humbled Himself, being of no reputation, as a man, like a servant; a Son sent from the One who sits on the Throne. Jesus, as a mortal was tempted at all points yet without sin; he laid down all, including His life trusting that God will fulfill His promise according to the predeterminate council.

God the Father proved His integrity by remaining faithful to His Word; Therefore, the Father was with Him, and after Jesus had suffered and died as was written of Him, The Father by the Spirit raised Him up and Enthroned Him Again.
*
John 16:27,28
Romans1:4
Acts2:23-36
Hebrews1:1-3
Matthew28:18,19
Philippians2:5-11



Paul said truly:
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Janosky:


John 14:28 , "my Father is greater than I am".
John 20:17 my Father and our God.
and Revelation 3:5, I will confess to my Father"
Jesus Christ says himself is not equal to God, his Father whether in heaven or earth.

Bros, believe the statement of Jesus and shun that fraudulent twisting of Philippians 2:6.

Just imagine... You claim to follow Jesus but you're trying so hard to disprove Jesus Christ..

Imperfect Slave wey know pass him perfect Master na WAYO slave

u are a blasphemer.





I repeat:

when Paul lays hands and the sick gets healed;
The Father, Son and Spirit worked together to bring that reality (healing) into existence.
I can't separate them.

what Christ did was the greatest manifestation of humility that even most of the beneficiaries can't understand.


Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

I repeat:

when Paul lays hands and the sick gets healed;
The Father, Son and Spirit worked together to bring that reality (healing) into existence.
I can't separate them.

what Christ did was the greatest manifestation of humility that even most of the beneficiaries can't understand.


Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Janosky:

Bros, there is nothing mysterious about Any belief that
contradicts and disagrees with Jesus Christ.

Bros , no be JW write the Bible and You can not know Bible more than Jesus Christ

In the spiritual realm , Rev 3:5,12 and in the earthly realm, John 20:17, 14:28 Jesus spoke that they are not equal.....

JWs don't know the Bible more than Jesus Christ, therefore, Revelation 3:5,12 and John 20:17, 14:28, JWs wholeheartedly agree with Jesus Christ....

Philippians 2:5&6
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Janosky:

Take note of your phrase "His son".. (Bros No be equality)

John 14:28, Rev3:5 Jesus said they are not equal in the heavenly realm & the earthly realm, do you agree ?

Philippians 2:5&6
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Janosky:

Jesus Christ is not God, his Father.
Therefore, Fellowship can only exist between Two different beings, you agree?

The way you are sounding, you have missed the whole point. if you are trying to separate: The Father, Son, and Spirit, you will will try forever.

That they are two persons [The Father and His Word ;if that's what you call beings] is understandable;

that they are equal; one God : is a scriptural mystery and only those whom it's given will understand it.


when Paul lays hands and the sick gets healed;
The Father, Son and Spirit worked together to bring that reality (healing) into existence. I can't separate them.

Janosky:


Bros, you and Christ are different beings but inseparable.. therefore, God and his son are different beings but inseparable, you agree ?

I am an adopted son; even though it was predestined; but I was born out of due season (after Christ died): it was unmerited favour: [therefore he sent His Spirit to dwell in me] to make me a member of the spiritual body of Christ.

but the Father and His Word has always been in existence, together and equal as God (John 1:1)

Janosky:


If I understand your explanation, as it relates to Jesus.
Do you mean that Jesus Christ is in fellowship with God, his Father?
Emphasis on FELLOWSHIP..

Of course, Christ is in Fellowship with the Father: from whom he came out[forth].
There is an agreement and unity in the Spirit between them, through love.

Janosky:

Let us apply your claim to Jesus statement @
John 14:20, "Jesus is in you" ,do you agree you are Jesus?

John 16:27, emphasis on [b]came out from God

Simple question:
Eve came out of Adam.
Is Eve, Adam?

Jesus Christ is not the Source he came out from.
He says " God is a spirit", John 4:24.

How many person is that spirit in John4:24?

Phillipians2:6, was twisted to reflect Trinitarian biase. If you disagree.
I have a question for you..
Did Jesus lie @ John 14:28?
Did Paul lie @ 1 Corinthians 3:23 and 11:3?
[/b]

Remember, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians while Jesus is in heaven...

one after the other: Christ in me makes me a part of Him: he is the head, I'm a member of his body: inseparable.

DappaD:


Angels simply mean “messenger”.
Are you saying Jesus wasn't God's messenger? —Luke 4:43, John 6:44, 8:18

if I agree with you; the whole of Hebrews1 will witness against me; it will always throw me off balance; therefore, I stick with God's Word.

Janosky:


John 16:27, emphasis on came out from God

Simple question:
Eve came out of Adam.
Is Eve, Adam?

Jesus Christ is not the Source he came out from.
He says " God is a spirit", John 4:24.

How many person is that spirit in John4:24?

Phillipians2:6, was twisted to reflect Trinitarian biase. If you disagree.
I have a question for you..
Did Jesus lie @ John 14:28?
Did Paul lie @ 1 Corinthians 3:23 and 11:3?


Remember, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians while Jesus is in heaven...

You are always too quick to know who lied. no one is lying here.

Spiritually speaking Adam = Eve, even though they were two persons, they were one flesh.[I don't expect you to understand]
when God blessed man and gave instructions; Eve was in man : that she was brought out doesn't change anything (it was for fellowship; from "in him" to "with him" : for this reason shall a man cleave to his wife and the two shall be one flesh. How much more they that are one Spirit?

DappaD:


Are the angels in God's form— that is, being spirits and of divine nature or not? —Psalms 103:20, 104:4

They are ministering spirits sent forth to those who are heirs to salvation: they have the divine nature, they Excell in strength, they harken to God's word, they praise him etc:
but Jesus is not an angel.

Hebrews chapter1 was inspired to warn the church of anyone saying that Christ is an angel. of all the dimensions that Christ can be ; angel is not one of them. pls, get that straight.

DappaD:


So the angels aren't in God's form as well?—being of divine nature and in spirit form?

[Jesus is not an angel] and angels are not equal to God
Hebrews 1.

DappaD:


The Son was in the Father?
Omoh trinitarians no go finish me
And I guess this is your own trinity definition right?
Well let me surprise you, as long as you equate the Son(Jesus/Michael) to the Father(Jehovah God), you are a TRINITARIAN Mr Csonice1!

I've added scriptures to my last post. see to that.

DappaD:


Very good, we're getting somewhere.

So when Jesus said ‘I and the Father are one’ (John 10:30) does it mean they're the same person?
Or can we fully understand what Jesus meant if we read John 17:11,21-23?

They're not one person but two persons United by the Spirit: the Son proceeding from the Father.
Three persons in one? ( I can't remember having said "one person" : but three persons in one.


I will use a human explanation to describe a foreshadow of it: While Abraham was paying tithe to Melchizedek, Levi was in him; and Levi paid tithe in Abraham.

The Son (Jesus) was in the Father: He proceeded out of the Father and was with the Father in the beginning and He remained God.(John1:1) Because they have one Spirit: the Holy Spirit.


John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Philippians 2:5&6
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Maximus69:


Excellent!

So maintain your lane! Matthew 7:13-14

and that means
1. preaching the gospel through Word and power, exhortation and love to the brethren.


and
2. rebuking and unbelievers and blasphemers: make sure you don't qualify for the latter.

DappaD:


Okay good. That's why I asked this question:


I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69, DOES this mean we're the same person?—John 17:21-23{verse 22 especially}

I thought I answered that.

That's the point:
you're two persons(members) United in one body through agreement and love: provided, you have the same Spirit.

Adam and Eve were one flesh: How much more they that are one Spirit?

Maximus69:

We are no part of you people! John 17:14

I know

Maximus69:


Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis also accused Jesus like that {Matthew 10:25} so it's not new
.

I have come to know you as a very funny person.
well, have you tried to replace the Word "sadduccees" with yourself character wise, it fits perfectly. anyone can call names, but character defines: in as much as I try to be modest, I have to be honest as well: you guys are refined sadduccees!

Maximus69:

Prove the power of your God by uniting as one family of peace loving worshipers! Ephesians 4:3

my God is too big to be proved.
His integrity and dexterity proves Him:
I'm a living witness of His power.
As for the unity of the Church, it will happen sooner than you thought. Paul, Peter , Barnabas etc had misunderstanding but they (apostles) are all rooted in Christ and all these things were done away with through love and discernment; it even led to expansion of their understanding and for better dispensation of the gospel.

God proves Himself strong on behalf of the ones who love Him. since you counted yourselves out, so be it.

Maximus69:


If you find it difficult to come to terms then know today that Jesus is not in your midst, Satan is the genius behind confusion!

As for Jehovah's Witnesses, we are one globally so if you want to become a member of the PEACE family all you need to do is humble yourself and learn, you'll be welcomed hospitably but if not then go and continue arguing with your brethren under the TRINITY Dogheads!

1.you are a prominent blasphemer
2. you evangelize your organization and not Christ.
3. you have a distorted picture of what peace is all about.
4. you don't believe in the power of God. you throw insults like an unbeliever.

Maximus69:






@bloodofthelamb, it's either you agree with JWs that God created Jesus (Michael) or that God created his own wisdom as your TRINITY cohorts are insinuating.

There's no third option Sir!

I'm sorry to say that there is no scriptural basis to say that God created Jesus.
however the Bible talks about Jesus coming forth (proceeding) from the father;

John 16:27
For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God ."

Jesus is not an angel [Hebrews1]

Maximus69:


The highlighted!

I hope what this your God studied with you won't become a cause for arguements, abusive speeches, insults and curses between you and other Trinitarians later on Nairaland!

I hope so;
we would save ourselves some insults and curses [especially from pple like u] if we all removed our professor mentality each time we read God's Word and humble ourselves: and let unity reign.

do you know that when the early Church prayed, they lifted up "their voice" not "their voices"?( I see this as a mystery in light of what we are discussing, but I speak concerning the church)

we can only have one voice through sincerity, love agreement and undiluted word of God.
The Word of God is not about opinions it is about God's Truth; whether it makes sense to us naturally or not. A doctor will have a hard time understanding the relationship between touching the Hem of a garment, [spoken word, or even laying of hands] And healing.

So, it's not about what makes sense in the natural: it's about what God said; and what God says is Truth.

I am willing to throw my opinion away a thousand miles away so that God's word would reign: therefore, I don't teach opinion:

for our dominion is through our understanding God's word; not for argument: but that through understanding, we might become living Epistles of God's word; in purity, power, divine nature and blessings.

Maximus69:

The highlighted!
Thanks to DrLiveLogic, simbarry praise the Lord!

ignored.

DappaD:

Do you subscribe to the doctrine of trinity?
Or are you monotheistic in belief?

I know why I'm asking all these.

I removed doctrinal barriers and read God's word and this is what I found out:
1.God is one. with three persons proceeding forth. for the word was with God and the word was God: Also the Lord is The Spirit.
Three persons in one God: The Father, the Word and The Spirit.

2.The Son was in the Father as an integral dimension of Him & He proceeded forth to do God's will. The Spirit is the union between the two (the power of God).

3. The Spirit of the Lord is : the Spirit of God: The Spirit of Christ: and the Lord is the Spirit.

4. The Word took flesh; as the image of the invisible God. For our redemption and after he has spoiled principalities and power he sat at the right hand of the Father; the same position of Authority with Him; the glory He had with Him before the World began.

5.They are inseparable; in works; and in glory

If it be so that s man (one person) shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife( another person) and the two shall be one flesh; even though they are two, they are one flesh. How much more they that are one Spirit?

I believe in one God: Father, Son and Spirit in unity [one body, One Spirit] through love and agreement. it's scriptural beyond argument: I dropped a few scriptural witnesses across this thread coming from my personal Bible study with God.

Maximus69:


Solite3 ~ Jesus is different from Jehovah

[s] After some cock and bull stories from his cohort (DrLiveLogic) [/s]

Solite3 ~ Jesus is Jehovah!

Hallelujah simbarry!

[you forgot to add] ..."after having known the truth."






The Father,son and Spirit are inseparable.

DappaD:


Biko leave ‘carnal’ and ‘spiritual’ things alone for now—because in my eyes you don't measure up to anything ‘spiritual’ .

I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69, does this mean we're the same person?—John 17:21-23{verse 22 especially}

Just answer my question with YES or NO sir!

DappaD:


Biko leave ‘carnal’ and ‘spiritual’ things alone for now, because in my eyes you don't measure up to anything ‘spiritual’ .

I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69, does this mean we're the same person?—John 17:21-23{verse 22 especially}

Just answer my question with YES or NO sir!

the level of understanding exhibited by some of us is really funny.

No, you are not the same person, but YES you can be members of the same body. At a time (even humanly speaking) the son was in the father. Levi paid tithe in Abraham.

Now, The Father and son[Jesus] are one: Jesus came forth from the father ; both are United by the Spirit[ the wonderful part is that The Spirit of the Father is also the Spirit of Christ].

if(when) I lay hands on the sick and he gets healed, The person was healed by The Father, in the Name of Jesus (ie Jesus did it) by the power of the Spirit.
They are inseparable.
For more Read: Matthew 28:19