illicit:


You need to see a psychiatrist pls

That's why scientists are mad.
imagine Edison talking to Archimedes about the prospect of an iphone and the connections inside it.

That's why I said pick a book on General and special relativity and get educated.

illicit:


why cant u answer questions

The question is will you understand?
Any and every event happens differently to observers at different (points or) planes of reference.
Let's follow an astronaut on a journey... at the speed of light.
Let's call him Mr.A

Mr.A as an observer from the Earth sees the sun moving from the East to the west. and the moon moving around the Earth.

He went up and behold, as he was standing on the moon, the Earth and the sun moves around him.

Mr.A flew outside the solar system;
he could hardly see the moon moving ; the Earth carries it's sattelites as it flies around the sun.

Intrigued by his findings (he immuned himself so as to view from the core of the Galaxy) he transported himself there.
as he viewed from the core of the milky way galaxy, the sun is like a tiny star moving across the sky.

He went outside the milky way galaxy but neither sees the moon, Earth, sun etc; to him , the sun is just like a piece of dust particle moving with inumerable others around the core.

He flew back to Earth and his grand kids were hardly in the memory of humanity: thousands of years have passed. well, he is still a young man.

suprised at the change in civilization, he approached a scientist and spoke to him
Mr.A: " Don't you recognize me,? I'm the scientist that invented the super fast spacecraft; I flew up jus this morning..."

Scientist: (suppressing his laughter)
which school did you go to?; in modern physics, there is no up or down, the Earth is roughly spherical, some people are upside-down there on the other side of the sphere.(pointing below)"

Mr.A: ...oh I forgot! up and down is for the kids, just used it for clarity sake, with Earth as reference point... u know, I wonder whether the apple fell on Newton, or it was him that went up with the Earth,tree and all; and hit the floating apple. gravity being constant"

Scientist:"exactly, my friend, time and events occur as different realities to people from different points of view, a plane lifts, floats or maybe move with some relative velocity, while the Earth rotates and meets it at another point on the globe, then it lands"

Mr.A: "These are realities from different stand points. forgive my manners..I'm Mr A..."

Scientist: "the lost inventor?...oh! it's been 30020 years; I get it, I get it.. your time ran slower! let's go and meet the others!"

Now, there is no up or down; but we use it wrt our reference point . also, any event occurs differently when viewed from different reference points, time runs at different intervals for different reference speed.
To someone;, you and Newton were born on the same day; if that-someone could simultaneously view the activity on Earth , it would occur as a very, fast forwarded movie.


DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF OMNIPRESENT?
To the Omni-present, he can always choose His reference point at will. The Bible was written for us.
The best way to teach a man is to view Truth from his standpoint. Anyway, there are times when you have go a bit higher.

illicit:



does the sun rise in the east and set in d west?

pls heed my advice and don't disgrace yourself.

illicit:
The same Bible thought that the sun revolves around the earth until Galileo came

and they never taught you about reference point?
Go and study General relativity and special relativity!

you're still in jss1 basic science.

athaboi:
Wetting concern you?? Go and sit down and run your own race bcoz you aren't sure of yourself too

if you are not sure of it...
you don't have it!

KNOWMORE56:
THEY ARE DIFFERENT; Examples:
1. Matthew 3:16-17 "...lo, the heavens were opened unto him (Jesus), and he saw the Spirit of God descending... And a voice from heaven, saying, this is my beloved son..."
NOTE: this is were 3 of Them take action at the same time/moment
2. John 17:1"... Father, the hour is come; glorify thy son,..."
NOTE: God the Son is talking to God the Father
3. Matthew 28:19 "... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
NOTE: the 3 of Them are involved in our redemption/salvation
4. Genesis 1:26 "And God said let US make man in our image, after our likeness,..."
NOTE: the use of US here means it's more than one Personality.
And many other places that you can see the differences.
5. Concerning the Holy Spirit, this is what the Bible says; 2corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit..."

more wisdom.

MuttleyLaff:
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Whats that meant to mean?
Deal with the truth advanced you, and refrain from going to make off tangent comments

Since you are desperate for an answer,
I will answer you but you have to be sincere and ready to learn. I will divide them into chapters to deal with different points(even from your previous comments)
Firstly, you said that the sons of God in those verses were special kind of men ( I wonder where you got that from). Now again you are saying that God is the Father of constellations; are we in an astrology class


CHAPTER1: THEY ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT
Like I pointed out earlier(from your comment): it's true that as many as are led by the spirit, they are the sons of God: and I was telling you that if that's the criteria for becoming the sons of God (and of course it is)
then, angels are the sons of God
[Ezekiel 1:4-20, Ezekiel 10:20]



CHAPTER2: THERE IS NO MALE OR FEMALE
you were having issue understanding Genesis6:1,2,4.
Now this is the truth:There is no male or female in the Kingdom of Heaven; especially amongst angels. All Angels are usually addressed as masculine, besides I've not come across a female angel so to speak (not in the Bible).
Now I'm going to give us scriptural witnesses which I'm going to quote at length, to add context to it:

Luke 20:35-38
Jesus speaking, said:
"But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."
second witness;
Galatians3:26-28
"26:For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith
27:For as many [of you] as were baptized into Christ [into a spiritual union and communion with Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah] have put on (clothed yourselves with) Christ.
28:There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

angels are prohibited from marrying, and are all addressed as sons by their Maker who knows the truth stated above.
Moreover, when their offsprings emerged, it was obvious that they weren't Just humans.


CHAPTER3: FAST FORWARD TO RECENT HISTORY (IN THE SAME VENUE; JOB1:6)
As for Job1:6, Job2:1-7,
the sons of God stated here are Angels.
This event happened in God's presence and later in history, another event occured.
Revelation 12:7-12
"7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

CHAPTER4:THE MORNING STAR
Having said much already:I will make Job38:7 breif(hope you will understand)
The morning Star is an office in heaven; whosoever qualifies for it occupies it.
Satan was an occupant of that office, till he disqualified himself.
Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (morning star) how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Now Jesus is the overseer over that office.
Revelation22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star"
However, Jesus is not an angel; He commands them [He is their Commander in Chief];
He is God's Word; He achieves that by the power of The Spirit. He sends them on assignments to fulfill God's will. Remember, He is the Lord of he Heavens and the Earth.
[ for some other angelic offices read
Revelation 1:20, Revelation9:1-2 compare with Revelation 20:1-3]

CHAPTER5:THE FATHER OF LIGHTS
God is not the Father of constellations as you know it. He is the Father of lights and that light is recorded in John1:4&5 let's start from verse 1;;;
"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.."
[compare psalm119:105]

With all I've said, angels are sons of God. However, there is a Hierachy.
shalom.

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate that angels aren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are.

Now if in circa Genesis 6:2&4 there were sons of God and the daughters of men, then there equally would have been daughters of God and the sons of men.

As for Job 38:7, reading the verse contextually, shows it is talking of the creation, where the celestial being sun and moon are the sons of God. The "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon

Do you know that, God, is called the Father of lights? (i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon)

don't make me think you are not a Christian.
I remain silent here.

Kobojunkie:
You mean you did not know that God is the one who can destroy your body and your soul?

I am amazed at your understanding:
Of course, He is the only one who has that ability and I Obey Him,truly speaking; I fear Him even above a garrison of armies:
He is my FATHER. what you said is just like saying to a man on suit: " Go and get dressed"
(humbly speaking)

I thought you need the fear of the Lord in your life: you will see things from His standpoint.

Now, about Job's friends, the part in bold is just a replica of who I know you to be.. they spoke for God against one who they thought was impure, but he was a good man; beloved in God's sight: they quoted accusing scriptures; which Job himself knew too. They accused the wrong man with the right scriptures: do well to read the book of Job again.
pls ( I've gone even beyond what my patience permits), good night.

Kobojunkie:
No, it hasn't ! Read the book of Job again, so you have a better understanding of what God faulted Job's friends for.

For clarification;
you weren't wrong in that one, you described yourself.
Good night.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, doing exactly what Jesus Christ taught is exactly what He wants of His followers to do.

Jesus Christ did not hide the reasons why He did what He did, and He did this so that His followers will have understanding for when it is their turn to do as He did.
His followers do not need any revelation in order to know what to do. All they need is to obey His teachings and given that they have the original, they can indeed spot the fake!
I am not a Teacher, since I teach no material of my own I simply, regurgitate that which my master has taught me.
The fault that was Job's friends was that they took it upon themselves to stand in defense of God against their friend, going as far as pretending to lie on behalf of God. Job was a man, but he was a man who had been pushed to the wall. His friends however had no right to pretend they could lie in defense of God.
I suggest you start obeying God, the one who is able to destroy your body and your soul, rather than fearing man.

I nearly laughed; especially at the ones in bold.

my last post has been explained better.
Shalom.

MuttleyLaff:


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"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God"
- Romans 8:14

The angels weren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are

your first sentence is true, I don't know about the other ones.

from the first sentence, I can assure you that the Spirit of God (the Spirit of Christ) leads the angels of God. refer to Ezekiel's vision of God.

1. Genesis6:2&4 There was a difference between the sons of God and the daughters of men. any source saying that they are all humans is questionable.

2. Job1:6,2:1 Satan came together with them, remember who Satan was before he lost his office and became an accuser of the brethren. The Bible here is talking about angels.

3. Job38:7 man had not been created when the sons of God shouted for joy: when God was creating the Earth.

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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I love this.
you are Blessed.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ warned against exactly all you have listed above of your knowleged of these men

Jesus Christ pushed back against the MOGs(Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes etc.) of His days too
Well, I would not say I spend all my time either on it, but I do my bit on it still.

I am not sure what this has to do with anything. What Jesus Christ said is what Peter Himself repeated and we find that the same remains the case, even more than 2000 years later.

you missed the whole thing now.
So because Jesus preached against the hypocritical teachers of the law, you are now copying and pasting scriptures so that you can appear to do the same?. Hmm that's too mechanical, and too risky too. The Pharisees were reproved of hypocrisy, of not understanding the moves of God and of beign mechanical in their approach to spiritual matters; even miracles.

He who wrongly accuses the brethren can also do the same to God: for whatever you do to the least of brethren, that you do unto Christ. If you accuse a servant before his master, be very careful lest he comes to judgement with you and you are found guilty of lie.

Jesus did what he did with revelation, he could even hear their thoughts, I doubt if you have a revelation of what you are saying. He knows them more than any one else: yet He said that their teachings should be taken seriously because they sit on the seat of Moses (but their hypocrisy should not be emulated). How much more they that are seated with Christ?
If you have the original, you can always spot the fake.

Job's friends were teachers like you. They accused the wrong man with the right scriptures: and God nearly dealt with them according to their folly.

Be very careful with your trial and error method pls. God is very jealous[ and meticulous] about how you treat those who love Him. if you fear Him, you will respect His sons, a man of gross dishonour is at a great risk of God's wrath: 1refer to the encounter between Elijah and the soldiers, 2Ananias must have thought that he was being duped by God's ministers; he tempted God;and paid for that ignorance with his life.

my contribution on the thread ends here.

Dtruthspeaker:
The first thing you must know is that The Man we know to be Jesus Christ is not just a man called Jesus Christ, but He is the Great and Mighty King Who is in Charge (Rules) of this world called earth and His High-ness is Soo Great that He is a God Over us.

Proof: it is Christs Father, the Most High Himself Who issues Commands "let there be light; let us make man etc. Genesis 1:3

Christ is the One (The Spoken Word) who carries out the Commands. John 1:1-4 And He Himself issues out more commands in line with the Instructions Given Him by the Most High Genesis 2:16.

The Lord God in Genesis 2:4 is the very same Man Whom people just carelessly Call Jesus Christ. Proof: Mathew 28:18; John 3:13; John 6:38/39: and verses 44, 46, 57. Mathew 13:41

For After Genesis 1, God Spoke less and the Lord who is God over man and all the earth Spoke More. And after the introduction of These Mighty Beings, the Lord God (Jesus Christ) because we now knew at this time that He was God Over us then changed to The Lord, and Remained Unchanged!

That is why from Genesis 12, The Lord (Jesus Christ) Did about 98% of the Speaking and
the Acting to and on Man.

Hence the parable of the vineyard Luke 20:9-16.

It was Christ, Who is God over this world, Who Sent Prophets, Under the Instruction of the Most High, His Father, in accordance with the Parable of the Vineyard, yet man did not listen.

On Forgiveness and Repentance from Sins and the Proper Cleansing thereof, God Commanded an Atonement or action for making amends for wrongs to be in the form of a sacrifice of An Unblemished Lamb, Goat, Bull etc for the Diverse Sins and Collective Sins.Leviticus 3,4,5,6,7.

But by the Parable of the vineyard, The Most High Instructed, Our Lord and God, to Singularise All Those Diverse Sin Offerings (For Those Who Want It) in Leviticus, to be A Mighty, Unblemished Lamb for All the World as our Sin Sacrifice of Apology to the Most High for All our sins and Wickedness, in line with the Commandment in Leviticus.

So instead of doing many many sacrifices for all our different sins, The Most High, Himself, Gave us a Gift of The Mightiest And The Most Powerful Sacrifice, for the Forgiveness of All our Variety of Various Sins, for those who want their sins Forgiven.

And that's why we Plead the Cover and the Mercy of out Lord God Who is the same Jesus, the Christ, Who Died for us, that we may Live, and Never Die!

God bless you.

Dtruthspeaker:


oh, Sweet!

Mm, mm, mm, Yummy!! I love it!

The guy is greatly afflicted and I think that it is because he foolishly followed and listen to them taking in everything they said all jollof rice, plate and spoon, he is Now A Very Bitter Person, Firing out of control like a lunatic.

Honestly.

OpenYourEyes1:
That's what our LORD instructed the apostles to be to the church. There is great wisdom in that. I understood that recently, but won't say exactly what yet.


I see one or two people (they could be more) claim that a certain man is the head or probably leader of the whole "church". Our LORD is the head of the church.
pastors, bishop, prophets, evangelists etc are your brothers, sisters and servants.

True.
but I won't be telling the whole truth if I don't point this out:
there is a hierachy, even in heaven it is so; there are people who are Fathers in the Lord (Paul, Peter, John,etc) even in our generation. Obey them according to God's will, be a partaker of their grace.
There is a place for honour.
However, the reason for the power is to minister(to serve).
Therefore, the greatest is anyone who humbles himself as a child. very important.

OpenYourEyes1:
Cornelius's
"So Cornelius said, “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,— Acts 10:30

Peter's
"But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance;" Acts 10:10

True.

Kobojunkie:
Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

What peter said is indeed what we see happening here and now. Because of the AntiChrists also called MOGs, the world does not view Jesus Christ in a good light at all. You simply mention that you believe in the God of the Bible, and almost immediately you see the detest in their looks... nothing to do with persecution at all. No, they have become wary of those who claim to be Christians. The world is tired of the lies and deceit of MOGs - the hypocrisy that is claimed and justified in the name of God.

These MOGs are the Antichrists as they have set themselves up as Masters over Jesus Christ's flock, pretending to be Teachers in His place.

Their doctrines and traditions are twisted representations of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and in many cases many are deceived and led away from the Truth of Jesus Christ as a result.

They sit themselves in the place of God in the minds of His own sheep and they steal, kill and destroy, for their own pleasure and kingdoms, that which God has planned for those who are His. And they do all of this in the name of God.
MOGs are the false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers to beware of. These are the antichrists that the apostles spoke of even during their days.
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I have told you before; desist from speaking from assumptions. trial an error is good; but the injury that comes from it may not allow you to try a second time.
Some of these men you are fighting are the most humble people ever; they've touched power, understood mysteries, heard from God and yet not puffed up by it.
wait till you get the same kind of relevance and let's know what you will do with it. if you had your way on nairaland alone, you will even do more.
A city set on a hill can never be hidden, God's voice for a generation can't be ignored: no matter how humble he may be.

let me tell you something (don't be offended):
you are not preaching the gospel. you are busy fighting the Church up and down. A man who has the original is never scared of the counterfeit; a man who wails so much about the counterfeit does not have the original.
Because if you do have the original, the difference will be clear.

Jesus and the early Church didn't spend all their time speaking about false prophets and teachers (they taught it once in a while to keep the church free from ignorance but not all the time): They focused more on God's Word and His power. They had the original. They didn't magnify the power of the enemy above that of God: whosoever you set before your eyes always, whosoever you preach all the time is magnified in your sight.

Now, let me tell you about peter:
Peter became so filled with power that they laid down sick people at the side of the road, so that his shadow could at least touch them and they were healed. How about Paul who gave out aprons to heal the sick. None of these men sought to be worshipped; they only performed their obligation as the ambassadors of Christ.

we are not ignorant of the devices of the enemy.
therefore,
obtain the original and you can spot the fake. every time.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold has been used to bastardize the teachings of Jesus Christ since the very first century.
Where did John, the one whom this supposed truth was revealed to, tell you that you could then pray by the blood of Jesus Christ?
Where did John the apostle tell you that could declare a testimony by the blood of Jesus Christ?
So, according to you, the power in the blood of Jesus Christ is greater than the power in His name, or do I have this wrong?
So, it is no longer the New Covenant that God promised us that saves us -- but it is by the blood of Jesus Christ that we receive Salvation, Sanctification and the overcoming?
Jesus Christ already overcame everything for us when He went to the cross to die so that we may be redeemed from the curse of the Old Covenant, and instead be able to partake in the New Covenant. So why do we need to overcome the devil again, and by the blood of Jesus Christ too?

LOlz,
my contribution ended with the last post please.

Kobojunkie:
In the old Covenant, God declared that no one should add rules or remove rules from His covenant. He instructed that the people obey the rules as-is, as it was given them by God.

In the New Covenant, Jesus Christ took to explaining the reason for why we should not add or remove from God's covennant commandments in any way. He explains that when anyone modifies His commandments/teachings through doctrines and rules of men, such a person renders his worship of God null and void, and the power of God in the life of such is nullified.

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted
The point? Well, Jesus Christ , the New Covenant is the source of the salvation we claim. And the contract we sign with Him when we accept Him(Obey His commandments) is that we will not water down or enhance the contract in any shape of form. Basically, to become a follower of Jesus Christ, one essentially swears by one's own soul not to tamper with the rules of the agreement, the New Covenant, in anyway. Praying & asking in His name(alone) is a part and parcel of that contract. By that name alone, every knee is meant to bow.

So, suggesting that there is something greater than that name means you are no longer satisfied with the New Covenant contract that you supposedly signed with Jesus Christ. Worse, praying instead by that something greater, NULLIFIES the power of God in your life and situation, rending your worship meaningless, according to what Jesus Christ has said, putting your very soul in jeopardy by that same.
Again, Jesus Christ NEVER instituted praying by His blood as part of the New Covenant agreement you supposedly signed with Him. So, whatever power you are getting from that blood, given that you were unable to show where Jesus Christ, the one whose blood it is, gave you permission to pray in the name of His blood, I believe what you are doing is tantamount to adding to God's commandment.

What is this one talking about?
Go and read your Bible;
You don't acquire things just because you want to, you have to bring your strong points as to why you should have them: salvation, healing, prosperity, protection, wisdom etc. that's why knowledge is important.
Jesus said that there are so many things he had to say but since they( the disciples) couldn't bear/understand them, when the Holy Ghost comes he will lead us into the knowledge of all Truth... then in the Bible there are so many Revelations concerning the blood of the Lamb by the Spirit: ranging from the power of the Holy communion to the ability to defeat Satan through the Blood.

Haven't you read that while John was in the Spirit, a mystery was revealed unto him:

"they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the Word of their testimony..."

besides not only can you use the blood in prayers, you can use it in declaration(testimony) of which the first post on this thread was more of a declaration.

The power in the previous blood scares the devil
too... he doesn't want the Church to use it.

The power in the blood is the power of sanctification, salvation and overcoming the devil. The power of the blood resides in it's ability to achieve these things. It was the price paid for them.
Let me remind you that just the same way the devil is defeated by the Word of God (refer to the scriptures where the devil tempts Jesus); He is overcome by the Blood. Every time.

This is scriptural Truth. With this, my contribution to the thread ends.

Kobojunkie:
In the old Covenant, God declared that no one should add rules or remove rules from His covenant. He instructed that the people obey the rules as-is, as it was given them by God.

In the New Covenant, Jesus Christ took to explaining the reason for why we should not add or remove from God's covennant commandments in any way. He explains that when anyone modifies His commandments/teachings through doctrines and rules of men, such a person renders his worship of God null and void, and the power of God in the life of such is nullified.

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted
The point? Well, Jesus Christ , the New Covenant is the source of the salvation we claim. And the contract we sign with Him when we accept Him(Obey His commandments) is that we will not water down or enhance the contract in any shape of form. Basically, to become a follower of Jesus Christ, one essentially swears by one's own soul not to tamper with the rules of the agreement, the New Covenant, in anyway. Praying & asking in His name(alone) is a part and parcel of that contract. By that name alone, every knee is meant to bow.

So, suggesting that there is something greater than that name means you are no longer satisfied with the New Covenant contract that you supposedly signed with Jesus Christ. Worse, praying instead by that something greater, NULLIFIES the power of God in your life and situation, rending your worship meaningless, according to what Jesus Christ has said, putting your very soul in jeopardy by that same.
Again, Jesus Christ NEVER instituted praying by His blood as part of the New Covenant agreement you supposedly signed with Him. So, whatever power you are getting from that blood, given that you were unable to show where Jesus Christ, the one whose blood it is, gave you permission to pray in the name of His blood, I believe what you are doing is tantamount to adding to God's commandment.

What is this one talking about?

Jesus said that there are so many things he had to say but since they( the disciples) couldn't bear/understand them, when the Holy Ghost comes he will lead us into the knowledge of all Truth... then in the Bible there are so many Revelations concerning the blood of the Lamb.

Haven't you read that while John was in the spirit, a mystery was revealed unto him:

"they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony..."

besides not only can you use the blood in prayers, you can use it in declaration(testimony) of which the first post on this thread was more of a declaration.

The power in the previous blood scares the devil
too... he doesn't want the Church to use it. well,
seems you don't know what you are saying.

The power in the blood is the power of sanctification, salvation and overcoming the devil. The power of the blood resides in it's ability to achieve these things. It was the price paid for them.
Let remind you that just the same way the devil is defeated by the Word of God (refer to the scriptures where the devil tempts Jesus); He is overcome by the Blood. Every time.

This is scriptural Truth. With this my contribution to the thread ends.

jesusjnr2020:
True, it takes the power of God and faith for miracles, however in the days of the prophets, they required a material of some sort upon which the power of God rested to be able to do certain extent of miracles. The three people who were associated with such extent of miracles in those days were Moses, Elijah, and Elijah, and everyone of them had a material as such, as Moses had a rod, Elijah had a mantle, and it was the mantle of Elijah that fell on Elisha upon his departure, that Elisha took and also used to that effect.

John the Baptist also belonged to that era of the prophets where they needed such to be able to perform those kinds of miracles, but Jesus didn't need any such thing for that purpose because the fullness of the Spirit of God rested upon His body, hence He was able to do similar extent of miracles without such.

But perhaps he wasn't given such because he was meant to magnify Jesus and to decrease so that Jesus would increase as you pointed out.

well explained. thanks.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ commanded that we obey His teachings and commandments, and nowhere in His teaching does He command we pray by power of his blood. He made it clear that it was by His name that we pray.

So where do you get the idea of praying by some power in His blood? Do you not understand that we are not meant to add or remove from His teachings in anyway?
God Almighty commanded that we ask Him anything in the name of Jesus Christ, but instead here you are asking by some assumed power in His blood and you believe this is in agreement with what God said you should do, where?

understood.
you have no cause to worry about that,
praying in the name is something greater: I don't know if it has been revealed to you. but you should understand that praying in Jesus' Name can be seen as using His signature to sign your prayer request: it's not just you that prays: The Father sees the Name of His beloved Son.
Now the power in the blood of Jesus is real: it has an overcoming power over the enemy. declaration of that testimony is bringing your strong points( witnesses) to back up the request:

Isaiah 41:21
"Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob."

Revelation 12:11 says:
" And they( the children of God) overcame him(the devil) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

it can also be likened to the blood of the lamb on the door post of the Israelites in Egypt.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, said the power is in His name, not His blood. What is this fascination with His blood instead? Voodoo worship or something?

There is power in His name; the glory of His Name :the Authority he has was obtained for us through the Cross; through his blood; that's the power; for our redemption, for overcoming the devil. The devil is scared of it.
if you're now scared of the blood; are you sure you're for Christ?

why criticise another man's sincere prayer?

jesusjnr2020:
I think reincarnation has to do the spirit of the dead or someone not living among the humans, coming back to the earth via another body.

We talk about the spirit of the prophets, so it appears that it was the spirit of Elijah that God made to come back as John the baptist, hence the glaring similarities between the two, the river Jordan, the dressing style, the wilderness, fasting and not eating much, reprimanding wicked leaders and calling the people to repentance etc.

Perhaps the only difference was the lack of miracles which Elijah did which may have been because Elijah didn't come back with his mantle.

Exactly. but...don't know about the mantle though:
if I would be sincere, I think it takes the power of God and faith for miracles; the two were never far from him, even though he had some doubt while in prison.
until now I believe that he came to magnify Christ Jesus, to make Him known, then diminish as Christ increases.

As touching the power of God: no one can question Him. He can do all things even beyond our imaginations. Yet He is a God of Principles.

concerning reincarnation, the Bible never really talked about it, just that we all know that John the Baptist was Elijah; even though Elijah never really died in the old testament,
Why did John have to come as a child?
in other words, why did Elijah come back as a child?

ThreeEyedRaven:
Hello everyone.

I had a WhatsApp group call with three of my friends. James, Wale and Goke (In case any of you is reading this, hi guys, you guys are smart I enjoyed the conversation ) where we discussed the origin of sin.

My position was that there's a greater or darker power that corrupted Lucifer. I mean looking at a logical analysis of Ezekiel 28:15
which I'll quote "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

It is important to put in mind that angels were created before the earth and man subsequently. They were perfect beings created to serve God.

About Lucifer. He was one of the most admirable angels in heaven.

My questions were/still are:
Where was sin before it was found in Lucifer ?
Lucifer was created perfect meaning imperfections came to him due to an interaction with an/some external factor(s)

Also, God created the angels perfect but however didn't confine them to worshipping him like some robots but rather gave them choices to worship him out of their freewill. Now it's important to establish that God is a God of righteousness of which while creating the angels he did that by installing all the righteous features in them by default meaning sin was an external and uninvited guests to the party. So doesn't these all mean that there's always been another end to the righteousness spectrum before Lucifer got tempted and defected to the other side?

They weren't able to convince me maybe you can

once there is a law there is either obedience or transgression. it may not be sin to take your dad's car keys until he makes it a law that no one should do it without his conscent. As for God, righteousness and Justice are the foundations of His throne.
Then, if your lust( passion) and desire to have what you shouldn't have is greater to you than the commandment, you become a transgressor.
you are tempted by your lusts, and this brings about sin and then death.
Satan uses this strategy; that's why he appeals to people's lusts as a way of deceiving them to sin: he has been there before.

We need to enlarge our conception about God:
For when He is magnified in our sight, we fear Him and when we fear Him (reverentially), we fear no circumstance, obstacle or limitation :
And that means faith. Thereby making His Word the highest authority in our lives: so, we don't tailor His word to fit us or to fit our human mind, we tailor our lives and minds to fit His word by His grace. When we exalt Him(especially through praises/worship), then we understand God's love for us and impossibilities become possibilities(truly);
when the world is saying there is casting down, your own reality is that of lifting up. David was a man who walked in this dimension; while you are busy meditating on the enemy's size, skills etc; he is busy enquiring about the reward ( not of covetousness but) through geniune faith in God: His understanding of what God can do is enlarged, and God honours it. Paul and Silas did it; you can do it.

When we understand that there is nothing small about our God, we will understand that there ought to be nothing small about His sons; Who are in Christ Jesus.

For this reason we sing this chorus(by Don Moen):2x
be magnified O Lord; you are highly exalted
and there is nothing you can't do-
O Lord, my eyes are on you....
Be magnified.... O Lord be magnified.

When we Extol the Lord, he is magnified: our perception about Him enlarges: of course, he has all the power and glory; we can't praise Him enough. He is able to do more than we can ask or imagine. when we behold His glory, Obstacles diminish. And we are able to see clearly through the mirage of the enemy: to see the victory, blessings, and reward prepared for us by The Father. Let this be our reality to the glory of God. Always. Amen.

Maximus69:


You only copy and paste, but the understanding of those scriptures is beyond your grasp!

There is no activity going on amongst the dead {Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10} the dead don't know anything and they can't learn anything, so it's after their resurrection that they can be preached to!
Enoch, Moses and Elijah died and were buried by angels, they will be resurrected as righteous servants of God. They are all sleeping in DEATH!

None of those who lived before Christ is alive anywhere, they'll remain dead until resurrection! Revelations 20:11-13

my contribution to the thread ended with my last post.
Thanks.
Happy to have been able to help: for all who are able to receive it.
To all who love God:
..I Love you brethren, I really do.

DappaD:


I've been following this thread quietly and I can't seem to understand some things.

Is Csonice1 saying that God changed his mind concerning Adam and Eve? And if so, what Scriptural proof do you have of this?

All I'm saying is that God passed his judgement on Adam:and death and hardship reigned because of it. (But I know from the scriptures that repentance is one of the greatest gift given to men: angels don't have that liberty: humans do)

That's one of the reasons for the cry(declaration):"what is man that thou art mindful of him..?" . Moreover, God clothed and provided for them and they honoured it. Now, Cain was punished for his sin. when he acknowledged his helplessness, did God not put a mark on him that none should kill him? .As it is written: "a broken and contrite heart,thou(God) shall not despise"

Man missed the best God planned for them: However there are still men who despite beign in the Earth, triumphed over these limitations [death, hardship, etc] according to the measure of Faith and convictions.( Elijah in the old testament didn't die/neither was he out of fellowship with God,How about Enoch?: for more, read Hebrews 11). Hence, hardship is not a justification for sin.

Now, these men: Adam,the evil humans in the time of Noah, and people of Sodom etc are judged according to men in the flesh. But the gospel was preached unto them that are dead: Their justification depends on their believing it.(this may not apply to an offender in this{our} dispensation: that is anyone that trods the gospel under foot through unbelief after hearing it)

1 Peter 4:6 " For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit"

Modified: (for anyone doubting the activity amongst the dead(out of the body);
CONCERNING THE ACTIVITY AMONGST THE DEAD WHILE MEN ARE STILL ON THE EARTH; Let's take a look at a typical example.

Even before rapture.The bible said:
Revelation 6:9-11
" And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

I humbly submit to you that all I've said is Truth according to the Scriptures.

Maximus69:


Thanks for the highlighted, so i'll be silent.

God bless you Sir/Ma!

Anyway I didn't mean to offend you at all.
you contradicted scriptures so much... I'm in no position to judge you. But.
I did all I had to do to make God's Truth to be known according to the measure of understanding given by Him.
Shalom.