I dropped some [scriptural] witnesses to the truth: up there (mostly @the end of d 4th pg and across the thread) for anyone who diligently seeks to know the truth: and truly I say unto you; "seek [the truth] and ye shall find [it]" .
"and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free"

Bye for now.

I love the truth: the truth is insurmountable, anytime, anywhere.
Shalom brethren.

THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN ME : GOD DWELLS IN ME : THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST DWELLS IN ME: CHRIST IN ME; THE HOPE OF GLORY.



1 John 4:15
"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."

Colossians 1:27
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

FOLYKAZE:


You are only drifting into something insignificant to my question.

Is it God that designed airplane?




Violating spiritual laws? Is it God's plan that man should be be isolated, like a wild beast or fedal, exempted from civilisations?

Your question has been answered. you are only repeating meaningless words: see to that ; I have no business with an arrogant domineering person devoid of understanding. I have answered every bit of your questions even though you're scared of mine. Good bye.
one day you will get to know the truth: whether in the body, or out of it.

FOLYKAZE:


You are only drifting into something insignificant to my question.

Is it God that designed airplane?




Violating spiritual laws? Is it God's plan that man should be be isolated, like a wild beast or fedal, exempted from civilisations?

Your question has been answered. you are only repeating meaningless words: see to that ; I have no business with a domineering person devoid of understanding. I have answered every bit of your questions even though you're scared of mine. Good bye.
one day you will get to know the truth: whether in the body, or out of it.

God of truth,Truth, and spirit of Truth
Isaiah 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Father,
Son &
Spirit :

God of Truth,
Truth &
Spirit of Truth; Spirit of God; Spirit of Christ.

In the beginning was the Word,and The word was with God and the word was God


[John 16:13-15, 27-29]
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I[Jesus], that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

[pls,start all over again]

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Colossians 1:15
[Christ] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Philippians 2:5&6
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God :"

Job 19:25
" For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:"

Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Revelation 1:11
[Jesus] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:8
(Jesus speaking to John)
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.

the above implies that the word existed right from the beginning,

AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD..

here, this means that at least there were two persons(not two gods); @ least two persons in the beginning; The word,&God : for the word was with God.
(for more research on the usage of the word "with" )

AND THE WORD WAS GOD

the implications of the above is that the word is equal with God : is the same as God. So there is more than one person in God.

Now also, we understand that the Lord is the Spirit: The spirit of the Lord. and the Spirit of God is a different personality, yet having the power of God: his first appearance in scripture is as a creator: and we know that God created the Heavens and the Earth. Father, Son, and Spirit.
Making three persons in one God.
________________________________________________
Together the verse says:



"In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the word was God."

There is scriptural evidence that Christ was/is in God[The Father]
Now, the significance of this verse [in agreement with other scriptures] is that the Word was with God in the beginning as a dimension of Him(another person, having tangible existence), coexisting from the beginning, in agreement with Him; proceeding forth from Him for the redemption of man. Both being united through the Spirit of the Lord.

ADDITIONAL SCRIPTURE:

The Lord is the Spirit : and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Janosky:

There is nothing mysterious about Fraud packaged as Truth.
Bros , @ Hebrew 1:8 Yahweh NEVER spoke that FRAUD you posted up there..

Ask me why?

1st reason: Hebrew 1:8-9 in Greek is a direct quotation of Psalms 45:6-7 in Hebrew language Masoretic Text..

Therefore, Psalms 45:6, the original is in Hebrew language, not Greek.

How is Psalms 45:6 written in Hebrew language?
The Hebrew language Masoretic Text screenshot is attached for your reference.
Therefore, Hebrew 1:8 must be word for word in tandem with Psalms 45:6.
Why did Hebrews1:8 deviate from Psalms 45:6?

2) The Catholic Church propagated Trinity before our grandparents were born.
Why not examine the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible @ Psalms 45:6? (See Screenshot)
Is it the same thing in Hebrew 1:8?

*3) @Rev3:21, @1 Chronicle 29:23,@Luke1:31-33, Jesus Christ confirm that Psalms 45:6 Hebrew Masoretic Text is very authentic.

Final conclusion:
Hebrew 1:8 have been Dubiously twisted to support Trinitarians scam.

Shalom.

Which Bible verse is ever original to you?
well, I guess none.
yet I will still give more witnesses.

but I have a simple peice of advice:
some theologians are atheists, their views don't really matter; I was shocked when I read some of their views about authenticity of biblical prophecy. stop running off to screenshot opinion( anyone with means can put his opinion there, it doesn't make any difference) : let no one deceive you.

more [scriptural] witnesses to come:

Hebrews 1:8-12;
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. "

Additional scripture: "The Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is is liberty"

Only those to whom it's given to understand this mystery, will discern the meaning of this.

Janosky:


Your quote of the DUBIOUSLY worded Acts 20:28 is claiming that Jesus (John 3:16-17) & Paul (Romans 8:3) are LIARS

Bros,how can you marry your DUBIOUS Acts 20:28 and John 3:16?
Your Acts 20:28 is either wrong or Jesus is wrong?

Million dollar question:
Why would Paul contradict himself @ Rom8:3 , Ephesians 1:3 & Acts20:28?
And contradict Jesus @ John 3:16?


The screenshot Evidence is PROOF Paul NEVER wrote the DUBIOUSLY worded Acts 20:28...

If you agree that you don't understand what you don't understand, you have solved the problem by half.
This is a mystery: only those to whom it is given will understand it. I don't even try to impose it on anyone; [which means that our conversation is unnecessary] because you have no part to play in it; whether you like it or not, it's true. ( I really hate people saying that the Bible didn't say what it says; anyone can come up with such claims , to cover up insecurities, but the truth is insurmountable)
Shalom.

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Romans 14:5
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Whosoever has, to him more (witnesses) shall be given:

1st. " In the beginning was the word,
and the word was with God and the Word was God. "

2nd. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood ."

3rd. " The Lord is the Spirit :and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty."


4th. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the sons of God."

5th. "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
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from the above, make your conclusion.

FOLYKAZE:


Na God design plane? Hahahaha

Honestly speaking, the plane was copied from the already existing.(Topic for another day).
But understand that God created someone that is better than a robot, and that-someone has the ability to build from the available raw materials.

(you ask questions but you hate them) Now take this; if a scientist could build a robot that has the ability to design a car, who receives the praise for a good car design?
A.Robot
B.Scientist
C.None
B.Both

FOLYKAZE:

Outlaws are those going contrary to laws.

That's good!
Exactly my point, they violated a spiritual law through pride, lust, and ignorance.

MuttleyLaff:




You Csonice1, are the bonafide and kofam archetype of who, Apostles Peter and Jude, were warning the early believers about.

"The truth is incontrovertible;
malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it,
but in the end, there it is".
- Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill

Ok.

FOLYKAZE:



Let us make this short and precise. Who do you give the glory to for inventing airplane? Wright Brothers or God?

What do you mean by they are outlaws? Does city dwelling makes one outlaw?

--1--
God.
Because, He gave them life, wisdom and raw materials.
--2--
(Outlaw? : a dictionary might help)
they were doing it as a way to boast of what they can do: make a name for themselves: [ build a single city as against many good cities now in the World] ; they were trying to lie to themselves through the project; just like the Titanic; just like nebucadnezzer in Daniel4. Their assumption was that nothing and no one can stop them. That's pure defiance. God stopped them. ( My answer stops here: but you can pls make reference to the ones below; to ensure that no part of your question was ignored)


#it wasn't just City dwelling that made them outlaws: you[anyone] can be evil even without having a home of your [his] own; The state of your heart is what determines who you are . If the ambition to dwell in a city has severed your heart from God's word, then it's wrong. that was the case with them.

#What City can be compared to Heaven?. honestly, None.
(By the way, even in cities, those who defy authority are punished; it is a proof of good governance. isn't it?: So, my point here is that you can't bribe Him, not even with the prospect of City dwelling; even with it's assumed benefits: that's too small for Him. However, He corrected them(the people) with mercy and Love.)

#Dwelling in cities makes no difference, but [to] ensure on keeping God's Word and Glorifying Him always.

FOLYKAZE:


Hahahaha

Now address the question without telling me moonlight tales why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplane.

Secondly, these people wanted to become city dwellers but God wanted them to wander around like animals in the bush. Is it God idea that human should live in isolation?

Please answer these two questions as a gentle man with few words

Funny enough,
I have answered you and I will answer you once again.

God is to be given glory for everything. For he is the giver of life, he is the giver of strength, power and might: the Earth and beyond belongs to him.
He does everything a great God should do.
If you need your own glory, die first, give yourself life, and work with your own raw materials. While you are typing; how many organs can you live without?: I guess you love them all: He gave them all to you.

About city dwelling:
God knows that humans can do better than wander like animals, thry are humans not animals, moreover, their destiny is not to lurk in a zigurat or whatever.
They have already proven that. Because God's wisdom is in them, to develop the Earth. Even as little as a family is ,once a man is matured enough, he can take care of his own offsprings independent of his location, etc. He doesn't have to wander like an animal; because he is not one; he can make better use if God's wisdom and become great to God's glory, no matter where he is. There is no fun at all in an extended family where everybody is babysitting everyone. And your opinion is that if left on your own the best you can do is to equate yourself to animals. Shame.

They were not the first city dwellers, they will never be the last.
They were outlaws. So if your are talking about God's will for them:
He doesn't want them to be outlaw-city-dwellers.
Come to think of it, one huge earthquake is enough to kick them into extinction, volcano, hurricane, tornado or any serious natural disaster would have been enough to wipe them off. You will still blame God.

Scientifically, Don't you know that the whole descendants of man staying in the same place is too lethal. Even one human error can endager the species of man.

Besides, Most times, city dwelling and civilization amount to recklessness and immorality: so you have to be taught obedience and fear of God first, before you continue. So much is dependent on it.

MuttleyLaff:
You didnt know you're a hollow barrel and that the only thing you are capable of making clear is that you are an increasingly becoming very, very, very small bore, who is fond of destructive heresies, false teaching, prooftexting, eisegesis and tomfooleries..

In your cockiness, you insult powers you don't know anything about. You speak evil of whatever things you do not know about. What you don't understand, you slander. You are abusive in matters of which you know nothing.

Your empty rhetoric(s) dont wash. It's pitiful sight to behold, when one finds it difficult to let go of old thinking. My serious observation of you, is that you are severely biblical undereducated, not because of a non-availability of the Spirit of Truth, but because you're stuck in a rut of old ways, that won't lead you to new and open doors of satori

"Then He will say to those on His left,
‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed,
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
- Matthew 25:41

Smh, look at you. KMT. Mtcheew.

Have you ever contextually read 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, at all, hmm? Why not start from right now, by contextually reading 2 Peter 2:4, from 2 Peter 2:1 and contextually reading Jude 1:6, from Jude 1:4 onwards, erhn?

Do you know where 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 were quoted from by Apostle Peter first, before Apostle Jude, followed suit to repeat all Apostle Peter earlier wrote, by confirming that what Apostle Peter wrote about is actually happening in their midst, hmm?

Do you notice, that the source or origin of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is not mentioned, but those in the know, whom the scathing warnings of Apostles Peter and Jude are addressed to, without mentioning the name of the book, 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is referenced from, know which book is being referenced, hmm?

Anyway, this all defo has gone swoosh over your head, as if like there's being low flying Naija Airfoce MiG fighter jet fly by, but will advance you that the fallen angels, according to Revelation 12:7-9 are on earth freely roaming about at will and not yet judged until the time that Matthew 25:41 above is made a reality of

"Yet not even angels, though greater in strength and power,
dare to bring such slanderous charges against them before the Lord."
- 2 Peter 2:11

"But Michael the archangel, when he was reasoning with the devil, disputing about the body of Moses,
did not dare to bring against him a blasphemous judgment, but he said "The Lord rebuke you."."
- Jude 1:9

Nothing is more damaging to a learning truth, than a learned old error. Remember that, growth comes by pruning, or be like, a tree Csonice1, let the dead leaves drop.

Too late, you already are neck deep, in making various kinds of blasphemy and flagrant judgment. Do you see 2 Peter 2:11 above stating that, not even angelic hosts of heaven, though greater in strength and power, dare to bring such slanderous charges against fallen angels before the Lord that they have have had sexual intercourses with female human beings

How about Jude 1:9? Do you see, how Archangel Michael, did not dare to bring a an abusive condemnation and slanderous accusation against Satan, but look at you, having swinging chutzpah big enough to make you misinterpret the scripture and enough to have you unashamedly make false and damaging statements about fallen angelic hosts of heaven over something that isn't true, that claims they did

"And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you:
God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all"
- 1 John 1:5

"¹⁴And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.
¹⁵And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.
¹⁶God made two great lights:
the greater light (i.e. sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (i.e. moon) to rule the night.
And He made the stars as well.
¹⁷God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,
¹⁸to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good."
- Genesis 1:14-18

"Praise Him, O sun and moon; praise Him, all you shinning stars"
- Psalms 148:3

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above,
and cometh down from the Father of lights,
with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
- James 1:17

Muse and chew over 1 John 1:5, Genesis 1:14-18, Psalms 148:3 and James 1:17 above, but spend a bit more time, carefully thinking over what the highlighted underlined of "... every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness ..." in James 1:17 means.

Also, tell Csonice1:
1/ Where did the sun, moon and stars comes from and the sun and stars shine or moon reflect from?. Is it from above or below?
2/ Who birthed the sun and moon? God or who?
3/ When you consider James 1:17, does the sun and moon have and follow a pattern or not, hmm?
4/ Is circa and contextually read, Job 38:7, about creation or not about creation?

I careless whether you've had enough of pricing market or not. See if I care. I dont give a hoot. I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo.

When you run alone, its called race, but when God runs with you, it's called grace. I have grace, the stamina, the resources to go on

I thank God for He has truly vindicated me.
If anyone does not see the errors in your reply, he just doesn't want to. It's too glaring. ( I will not reply you, I don't want it to look like the fundamentals have to be explained for you to know them; but i will leave you to truly meditate on your reply and judge your own words, starting from your first line)
But it gives me greater joy because I know that the church of God : The body of Christ has outgrown the decietful doctrines of man. By the time a man is teaching, and humbly speaking, truth from scriptures through inspiration start coming up in your heart; first witness, second,third, fourth,etc and all of them are proving him false: ignore his teaching for your own good, on the other hand if they agree; it's approved. But it all starts with studying God's Word for yourself through His Spirit.

I also thank God that I didn't leave us ignorant of the truth committed to me.
.

MuttleyLaff:
It's not enough that you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, forgive others, but you have to be able to forgive yourself too, especially for your ignorance, slander, under education and lack of depth. You must first forgive yourself, in order to forgive others, so forgive yourself first, before ever thinking of forgiving anyone else. Forgive yourself for yourself for not knowing better. Forgive yourself for not knowing what you should already know. Forgive yourself for the mistake of advancing the eisegesis, that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings. Csonice1, forgive yourself for slandering the angelic hosts of heaven. Forgive yourself for judging in the first place.

Look 'ere my dear friend, I earlier made you an offer, you can't refuse and it was for every Bible verse, you are able to lay your hands on, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, shows angels presenting themselves before God, I'll match with an incontrovertible bible verse that solidly supports, that, it is human beings presenting and who present themselves before God, and this, so to give you the opportunity to know that sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are human beings presenting themselves before God, with Satan joining with invitation, and not angels, as you have incorrectly learned them to be, but what happened.

You are all mouth but no trousers and religiously talking out of turn

I didn't know this could come from you.
well, whatever happens; there are dispensations, and the angels that kept not their original estates: i thought you knew that, I'm sorry.
Let me make this clear.
There are wonderful angels, I believe strongly that the manifestation of God's blessings to the Church is mostly through angels. they are obedient and reflect God's image; in power, purity, wisdom and strength.

on the other hand, angels can disobey: just like Satan and his cohorts who are still roaming the Earth till an appointed time, and those who are kept in everlasting chains(or for a very long time), in the bottomless pit, very fierce and wicked spirits: God never judged them for nothing; they're are transgressors; who kept not their original estates as angels. Some are not even under Satan, surprisingly.

( I'm not a party to your blasphemy. I'm only propelled to teach by the wisdom given and the love for God and for the Brethren: it grieves me to hear people making boasts in erroneous teachings. as for your offer, I can decline any and every offer, but I'm still propelled, for to whom much is given, much is expected. To you it's easier for God to be the Father of constellations,moon, planets, than for angels to be called the sons of God?.God forbid. I'm sure that everything created can praise God but I've not known better a better choir than the choirs of the Angelic host. even some of their songs are written down in scriptures." when the Bible says "the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy" don't add to it. Sincerely speaking, 'morning star' is the same as the word 'lucifer' (search it out); almost all of us know what that position entails: we also have an example of one who kept not his original estate as the son of the morning; as the morning star, but was cast down. They are all written in my Bible; and I believe they should be in yours too.]

i think we'll (or I'll, if you don't want to) wrap it up here.

MuttleyLaff:
You have no idea what the word humility means. You are more puffed than a puff adder. Need I go on? Need I say more?

Yinmu, be deceiving yourself there

Face palm and smh. Are you really spewing this hogwash, hmm? You really think it was because of rape, that the Noahide flood happened, hmm? Wetin Musa no go hear from miguard gate house? Do you at all understand the implication of Genesis 6:3? How long God long suffered in silence for before the flood happened. Did God, being a Just and Fair God, not give an escape route plus get-out-of-jail free pass, hmm?

Your self conceit, biblical truth decay, shortcomings and inadequacies wouldn't allow you admit that you need to 2 Timothy 2:15 seek answers

You are in desperately dire need of answers a lot more than I do my friend

I forgive you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

MuttleyLaff:
Listen here, and listen pretty good, my dear friend, I am not the least desperate for any of your pontificating answer, I can see below you reeled out, but I simply and actually was amused over how you meant with your "don't make me think you are not a Christian" uneducated remark

Puffed up with conceit, is God's gift to men who know enough to think they’re right, but not enough to know they're wrong. Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes

I think I have an idea of what humility is about; but humility is not when you lie that you don't have what God has given you; whenever you come across a true learner of God's word( not those trying to tailor it to fit 'em ) you become edified, and there are witnesses in God's Word as a proof of His teaching.

While you are busy celebrating your presumed victory in arguments on nairaland, truly humble people are ready to go back to God, the source of Wisdom and ask questions (humbly), interact with His Word; prayerfully, as touching his insight, revelation and clarity. And behold, He even expounds it greater to such a one by His Word; giving him even more witnesses (in this alone does he rejoice)
so that a human like Paul can say "Brethren, I don't want to have you ignorant"
And as he is teaching, he can boldly say,
"If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant"
It's not pride, it's sincerity.

I learn only from the Word, and any one who teaches the Word truly. it can be discerned, I must tell you. I don't believe in opinions. God's Word is not limited to human views.

Now concerning rape; what does the Bible say about rape without any alarm raised? .The ladies consented to it, it wasn't rape. God had to wipe them all off.

I don't see any need to answer the rest :
The answers you seek are up there and most importantly, in God's Word.

haddeylium:


Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

Ok.

haddeylium:


Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

Ok. I thought it not wise to speak;
But I will drop this:
John1

FOLYKAZE:


Mr, yes I assume you are an adult male human, can you please stop answering questions with another question? It makes you appear directionless like an headless chicken.

I asked, why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplanes.... Please address the question..

As for what you asked, life is not giving it is procreate through sexual reproductions or cellular replication. Chikena.


Now address the question; why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplane.

Let me establish a few points here.
Life is given; even Eve knows more than you on that topic (genesis4). if you were to be on a life support, you have to be very, very arrogant if you don't acknowledge the provision of anyone who could pay for whatever it takes to keep you alive. Your success was only possible because he/she was there for you.

A young man was called upon to honour those who were behind his success and he said(fuming angrily) :
"Dad, mum, you have no hand in my success, all you did for me was to give birth to me, cater for my basic needs, buy books for me, take me to school, help me with topics that I could not understand in class, (in other words you did all that good parents do for their children) but you neglected one part; you didn't write the exam for me! I wrote it myself.... I will not acknowledge your...!!
(The principal took the mic from him and apologized to the audience: perhaps the euphoria has gotten into the poor child's brain)

God has always been faithful on His own part; and has failed in none. The problem is the stiff-necked character of those who don't love him.

It takes great understanding to give Glory to God. David walked in this dimension, from the killing of the bear, lion, Goliath, and his victories in life, even his offering: and God rewarded him for it.

1Chronicles29:11-16
11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
12 Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.
13 Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.
14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee.
15 For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.
16 O LORD our God, all this store that we have prepared to build thee an house for thine holy name cometh of thine hand, and is all thine own."

In later in history; ancient Babylonia we see a man, nebucadnezzer, who did not Glorify God; making the same mistake of humanity in Genesis11:1-9, we all know what happened to him.(read Daniel4)

FOLYKAZE:

I am not offended. I am in the game way too long, and understand that when religious folks are cornered like you are, they either hide their head like ostrich or resort to argumentum ad hominem. We don see plenty.

I didn't expect you to be offended either, but to be enlightened. In as much as I have to be modest, I also have to be honest.
A man went drunk to a feast of people of great authority, power, wealth and influence. He didn't go there to rejoice with them that celebrate but to ignorantly throw accusations at the hosts ; they could have done worse to him but they said" all that we've been saying are not understood by him, for he is drunk and doesn't know what he is doing.let's gently lead him outside the gate"
When the man stood up @ the gate he said " I've been doing this for so long... we don see plenty"
How funny!

FOLYKAZE:

It is God's plan, according to Genesis 1, that man should multiply and dominion world over.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Multiplication and domination can only be achieved through integration and migration. These are characterised in Genesis 10. They integrated, procreate, dominate and spread out into different countries and nations. It is important to note that, part of their domination of the sky is in the city of babel and tower.

Most importantly, multiplication and domination is not forfeited in dwelling municipality and metropolis. I bet, you are living today in the city, instead of dwelling in the villa where you descended from.

Genesis 1 does not tell us if city dwelling is wrong, as city dwelling contributes to multiplication and domination of human.

So tell sir, these people wanted to become city dwellers but God wanted them to wander around like animals in the bush. Is it God idea that human should live in isolation?

Firstly, I thought I said "start from Genesis1" not read only Genesis1.(well I will still check to make sure)
God's plan for humanity was blessing; multiplication and dominion; infact he put them in the best place ever, they failed him but he still had mercy on those who turned to him;and humbled those who are lawless
by thwarting their plans ( so that they won't ask: why didn't He stop us? Since,He has foresight and power and we were ignorant).

Humanly speaking; only one natural disaster can wipe off your entire model city dwellers.
However, God has no business with your city dwelling theory, it makes no difference where you live.
They we're not the first to build cities neither were they the last. Cain built; he was not queried for it, David, Solomon, Hezekiah, etc even today.
I think humans can do better than wandering like animals; because they aren't animals; but the image of God in wisdom: they've already proven to you that they can do better than what you think; their destiny is not to lurk in an archaic ziggurat.
If it was space exploration that they were after as you claim, a wise man could have told them to explore the Earth first; they don't know anything about the Earth and they are talking about astronomy. They were like an ignorant man kept in a room furnished and nice, but his ambition kept him oblivious of his own home and got him jumping accross the neighbors fence. What he was going to steal was not the problem; he may not even steal enough to make him rich. But his ingratitude needs to be corrected.

FOLYKAZE:

There is no correlations. While both Gen 5 and Gen 10 contain genealogy, the former entails generations from Adam to sons of Noah, while the later details the table of nations descending from the sons of Noah.

In Gen 5, the generation were single persons, Gen 10 deals with nations and countries/race. The nations in Gen 10 already in different clan under different languages (notice; plural).

Genesis 10 indeed reveal that there are nations, descending from the sons of Noah, speaking different languages. If human lived in different nations, then they are not in anyway isolated. As a matter of fact, they easily multiply and dominate their environment through grouping as they did in Babel. Dispersion, as against city dwelling, isolation which regress multiplication and domination.

Biblical genealogies are like separate books on their own, they are focused and not limited by events recorded in other chapters.While Genesis5 went back to CHAPTER1, Genesis10 went far into chapter 11. [ If what you mean is that all events in Chapter10 happened before chapter11; you might as well read 1chronicles3 & CHAPTER4.]. Let me also establish that Genesis11:1-9 is like a flash back, a reminder of why things are the way they are; and in verse 10 genealogy continues; a lot more detailed,traced down from shem(10:21) to Abraham
Now, concerning multiplication and dominion: you have no part in this. No knowledge whatsoever, even scientifically speaking (genetics to be precise). Neither do you have the knowledge of the spiritual.

I have told you the problem with their ambition; I don't think it's necessary to repeat it again. However note this;
Cain and Abel sacrificed, but only one pleased God; through faith, pure motive, and to the Glory of God.

haddeylium:




Thank you
They're one in essence of being in Union and agreement right?
Could the same be said of Jesus and his Father?
'That they may be one'; 'even as we are one'

Theirs is much more powerful;
for they coexist from the beginning, and are one. they are also in Union and agreement through the Spirit; the church is meant to be a reflection (an image) of this mystery.

haddeylium:


I'm yet to understand you but, I know you're making a point
But in clear terms what did Jesus mean by "that they may be one"?

United through God's Spirit; one Body, one soul one Spirit.
This unity is perfected through love and agreement: though they are different persons(members,parts), they become one: the body of Christ.

As an image of the Trinity; living out the life of God on Earth.

FOLYKAZE:


Oh! I like that you don't give it unnecessary twist. The project wasn't the problem, but even when it will be beneficial to God's ministrations, he never foresaw that and thwarted that brilliant project. We have today numerous modern architecture designs that followed the style of Ziggurat, these buildings are found across the world. The Ziggurat was designed as a doorstep into heavens, that is why it is called Etemenanki, the name for the structure, is Sumerian and means "temple of the foundation of heaven and earth". Etemenanki gives rises to space exploration and architectural revolutions we have today.

There are two problems in your submissions.

Firstly, why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplanes.

Who gives life?
if you are knowlegeable, you will keep quiet here.

FOLYKAZE:

Secondly, I read through Genesis 9 to 10 and 11. What is wrong with civilizations? These people wanted to become city dwellers but God wanted them to wander around like animals in the bush. Is it God idea that human should live in isolation?

I don't want to sound arrogant; I could have said that you are daft.
For God's plan for humanity, start from Genesis Chapter 1, that's if you will understand.

FOLYKAZE:

Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Genesis 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

If the incidents in Gen 10 predate Gen 11, these people are not isolated. They are already doing well in different countries, nations and cities. They also speak different languages.

Read Genesis5, it is a very good summary of a few chapters. a kind of genealogy. Genesis10 is more or less the same.
I'm amazed at ur level of understanding.
Truly.

FOLYKAZE:
It's Sunday today, would like to be in the church. So I picked the Sunday school book and saw the topic for the day, The Unity at Babel. The teaching was set around the account in Genesis 11 which tells about the origin of human language, astronomy, and architect. According to the Genesis 11, there were some human populace, who spoke one language, came to agreement within themselves and agreed to build a city with a tower that it top is in heaven. The project commenced immediately and progressively. However, this progress caught the attention of God. He quickly summoned his councils in heaven to a meeting and decreed that the project must be stopped by confounding human's language. In the account, one could find that the purpose of the project is exhibition of architecture designs, understanding and dominating sky, and showcasing that things are achievable through unity. However, God was furious that man wae uniting and reaching for the sky.

Legend has it that If there was a tower of Babel, it was Etemenanki: a massive, stone ziggurat at the center of Babylon, presently at the southern Baghdad, Iraq. Record has it that ziggurat is 91m high. This goes to show that God became angry because Human built a structure recording 91m im height. Today, the tallest building is Al Burj Khalifa in UAE, measuring 830m in height. This mean human have successfully built a structure that is higher than what angered God back then. This they did with unity of different engineers, labor, and finances from all across the world, cutting barriers of languages, and exhibiting brilliance and might of humankind.

Beyond the tip of Burj Khalifa, Man have dominated the sky by building Aeroplanes and jets which can fly way above 20,000m. The highest commercial airliner altitude was 18288m by Concorde. The highest military air-breathing engine airplane was the SR-71 — about 27432m. Humans have built International Space Station, a kind of home or lab in the low earth orbit. The ISS was successfully built by collaboration of multiple nations. Man has also travelled and walked in space, set boot and projecting to build base on the moon, and are annexing all resources to set boot on Mars before 2035. The farthest human material in space is the Voyager1 which has almost gone past our solar system. It has reached interstellar space and currently 11.7 billion miles away from earth. Humans have robotic probes, satellites, telescopes in our solar system, and beam lights into deepest parts of the universe. Soonest, human will build a colony on other planets, planetary bodies, and even mine asteroids. Imagine having sex on the moon? This is total dominance and colonisation of the sky and space. Not forgetting, this height was made successful by the collective efforts of man from different tongue, color, belief system and backgrounds.

Space exploration goes beyond understanding nature of the universe. It has provided us deep understanding of origin of universe, planets and the solar system. It has revealed human are stardust. It has helped us relate with the outside world and ourselves. Before now, we had preachers and Evangelists. Today, we have Televangelists who have adopted the technology of satellite communication and television. Evangelism has gone from door to door to worldwide reaches through satellite communications with radio, television, internet and telephone services. Omniscient God couldn't foresight the benefit of space exploration of Babel tower, he disrupted the project which later helped his ministry.

Advancement and unity in tech development have broken the barriers of tongue. Bible is now printed in more than 2500 languages. A simple lingua apps can break the barrier God created and expand on evangelism.

God was angry with human because they built a structure which reached the height of 91m. What would he supposedly do now that we have human built machine that is 11.7 billion miles deep into space?

God was angry human united to build the tower of Babel. Five nations came together to build and launch ISS into Earth low orbit, is God really against human unity and togetherness?

He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?


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School dismissed, hurray!

Sunday school heya finish. Music section too don close. Abeg na house sure pass.

hurray!

but you got a poor grade at the end.

God knows possibilities from the beginning. for the sake of the choice given to man; they can choose any path. God knows where each path will lead to, even though it may seem right unto a man, the end may be destruction vice versa.

The project wasn't the problem, the unity wasn't the problem; the motive behind it was.
they wanted to make a name for themselves and remain in a single place(but God's word must be fulfilled); they were not doing it to Glorify God but to make a boast of strength in themselves: God forbids that. God also knew what he had put in a man, and it was best to give them different languages.

illicit:


So u assume that the Bible was right?

Not an assumption,it's Truth.
I don't assume it , I know it is.