Maximus69:


If you can't resist just a single temptation them forget about telling people who are faced with countless temptations, health issues, fear of oldage and death.
If you must know, it's the fear of death that's making people do evil things to acquire what they could out of greed, if they knew there is no need to fear or dying everyone will be patient and contented with whatever they had!
Adam and Eve were really the most wicked criminals of all times!
So forget about the false Greek philosophy that teaches you that imperfect people will be roasted alive for falling victims to countless temptations facing them, if you're now pleading for Adam and Eve who only had to contend with just one single tree out of many other trees they could eat to satisfaction! Genesis 3:1-3

Shut up please ( humbly speaking)
Let me be frank with you:
The only sin ever is not to trust God's Word, and to modify it to fit your liking; of which when (the doubt) acted on, it leads to death.
The word of the Lord is filled with the most wonderful promises ever[life, protection, provision,power, sanctification, fruitfulness, communion with God, inumerable others]: the question is the same; do you believe them?

let's try a check on that: faith;
Do you believe that you can have whatever you ask for, when you ask in the name of Jesus through faith: anything at all even greater than the wonderful things you are talking about (in Eden).

Sin means (transgressions) through not knowing or not trusting God's Word. simple Truth.

Maximus69:


My dear Adam and Eve are the worstest criminals of all times!

There is no crime ever committed under the sun that could be compared to what Adam and Eve did!

They had everything within their reach.
They had perfect bodies so they can't get sick.
There was no thieves to make them anxious.
All the animals were obedient to them.
No fear of oldage so they've gotten all the time.
No natural disasters so their 100% safe.
They don't have to pray because God lives with them.

I can go on and on telling you what could make you and i feel threatened and anxious to the point of doing what we ought not, but Adam and Eve never experienced any of these, they deliberately rebelled against God!

Please tell me what else you want after all they had that could make you misbehave!

My dear Adam and Eve are the worstest criminal of all times, so stop thinking God has forgiven them and now planning to make their imperfect descendants who never had 1% of all they had go
through everlasting excruciating torments!

all these things you mentioned that they have, I can assure you that humans who have the understanding of God's Word have them too.
There are men who in this generation and in recent history walked in these dimensions: (except the lack of prayer, of course) prayer is communion with God; they had that; you have that too.
actually you can't justify yourself in that please.

if you don't believe me: @ least look at the life of Noah (amongst others).

Besides, do you know how beautiful that tree looks, how many times they passed it, how enticing, how much tempting it was especially after the enemy Drew their attention to it?. temptation has always existed: the only way out is just to triumph over them.

The weight of a commandment is commensurate to the level of the promise; so all these things they enjoyed was dependent on their ability to resist the temptation of eating a single fruit. it must mean a whole lot.

The glory that the Lord Jesus obtained was as a result of him triumphing over every temptation; I must tell you that it wasn't easy. Great glory = great battle won( over temptation). The glory of Eden = triumphing over the temptation in Eden.

Maximus69:


Everyone can quote the Bible because it has been translated to the common language that's widely spoken, but when it comes to grasping the sacred secrets there is a special group to which it has been given {Matthew 13:11} if you fail to recognize them you can never understand the Bible!

You don't understand what the Bible is saying so calm down and learn, the fruit Adam and Eve ate was called "the knowledge of good and evil" {Genesis 2:17} For Adam to have deliberately eaten it along with his wife means they don't want God to continue teaching or instructing them on what is right or wrong anymore, they want to decide for themselves. so how do you think they will now teach their children the standard they themselves have rejected?

Of course the gospel will be preached to those who had died but it's going to be after they are resurrected back to life, that's why there is going to be the resurrection of the UNRIGHTEOUS along with the righteous, otherwise they are gone for good! Act 24:15

By comparison, their sin is way smaller than the sins that humans commit these days. (not to justify them) but I know that all it takes for a man to make peace with his Maker is dependent on how long he genuinely repents and seeks God's face. for all have sinned: even though Adam &Eve started the whole thing, I guess if you are to compare their sins and yours(let's be sincere), you may not be able to cast a single stone @ them.
I can assure you that despite all, God still loved them, and cares for them, and they still honoured the provision of God. remember what Eve said whenever she gave birth to offsprings.

This is my humble contribution to this thread:
Pls, Let's leave pride/human doctrinal limitations and Study God's Word with humility and pray for the revelation of His Word.
Amen.

Maximus69:


Who taught you what you're saying that has not helped all those adhering to the false teachings to cultivate the fruit of God's holy spirit?

Stop deceiving yourself, God told Adam " you will die" Adam died and that was his end, so how come Adam's imperfect descendants should undergo such everlasting cruelty which Adam the first ever sinner never experienced? Jeremiah 7:31

One of the basic differences between man and angels is repentance/reconciliation. humans are permitted to reconcile with their Maker but angels are not.
who told you that Adam does not live to God according to the spirit? Who taught Cain,Abel and Seth about God?.

1 Peter 4:6 " For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit"

Maximus69:


That's Greek philosophy!

The lake of fire simply means the second death! Revelations 20:14

There is a hope of resurrection from the first death, but there is no hope of resurrection for those thrown into the lake of fire!
Example of those who are already in the lake of fire now is the first human couple Adam and Eve, they're gone forever!

Who taught you that?

A Christian has no business with assumptions.
Go, get a Bible and read.

safepaulooo:
Lol. You skipped verse 14. Go back there and explain how "DEATH AND HELL IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE". Then explain what is second death.

The second death: the death of the final Judgement: is the lake of fire. Having a sorer(worse) punishment than death and hell. It's just like taking two countries (and their respective ambassadors/messengers/spirits) and throwing them into a continent: forever

joyandfaith:


after death then resurrection, followed by final judgement

The wisdom of God is profound; His dexterity finds out every detail about every soul in existence, when a man is out of the body (dead), God's wisdom allocates to him the fruits of his labour on Earth. Some to heaven others to hell. However, there are dispensations.

According to the Revelation that was given to John,
Even before the first trumpet sounds something happened (remember that the last Trump is the seventh):

Revelation 6:9-11
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren ( who are still alive on Earth), that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

Peter has this to say:
1 Peter 4:5&6
"(The Church)...shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead (out of the body), that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."


At The final Judgement;
Revelation 20:11-15
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

From these scriptures, make your conclusion.

Janosky:


If You don't understand Genesis 1:27 and 5:1-2, (Matthew 19:4 , Jesus quote Genesis 1:27), no be my fault.
You don't desire to reject the SCAM you learnt in Sunday school

Hope you are not a comedian, or worse still a clown (I'm really concerned) : i have no qualms with good comedy but when speaking of the Word of God is no time to crack cheap jokes.
No sunday school beats studying the Bible with the Author Himself.
i think I've tried my best to help you even beyond what my patience permits. Good night.

Colossians 2:8-10;
"8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"

Janosky:

God's name is not Elohim.
YHWH - Jehovah / Yahweh. Exodus 6:3. Psalms 83:18. Jesus made known his Father's name John 17:26.

Elohim is a title , Hebrew EL is a title for Yahweh , for angels (Psalms 8:5. Hosea12:3-4), for man & for Jesus ( Psalms 82:1,6. 1 Corinthians 8:5)
Everything you saw in my post up there is in your Bible.

No addition , no subtraction

"LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE.."
DOES THAT NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?

THINKING ALOUD: LOOK @ ME, HOW DO I EXPECT A MAN TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT WITH A CARNAL MINDSET?.
Conversation ends here.

Janosky:


[b]There is NO mystery in a man made SCAM not taught by holy Scriptures.

Genesis 1:27 , Genesis 5:1-2, "He , God created man in his own image and likeness".

Does "He , His" mean Triune being?

The only honest answer is No.
Genesis 1:26, God spoke to His son (revealed in Hebrews 1:1-2.) God created the universe THROUGH His Son.
The Father and Son are different beings.
Ephesians 4:6, John 17:3. 1 Corinthians 3:23.
One God, the only true God is NOT Jesus, whether in heaven or Earth.
Revelations 3:5 (Compare Matt10:32, is Jesus his Father's son in heaven?)
Jesus says Yes ooooo!
Yahweh Almighty God has no Father anywhere!

John 17:17 " The Word Jesus is NOT his Father's speech or spoken word.
Trinitarians framed that FRAUD claiming the Word is God's speech
John 7:16, Hebrew 1:1-2, Jesus is his Father's APPOINTED Spokesman,
Mark 9:7 , God commands everyone to "Listen to Jesus".

1 John 5:7 KJV is a proven Textus receptus FRAUD , pls erase that verse from this thread[/b]

I thought it not wise to answer you.
However, let me give you this; perhaps you might get a glimpse:
God's name there [in Genesis] is "Elohim" , go and search that out if you will. make sure you take note whether it's singular or plural.

are you satisfied?

Maximus69:


So where did the scriptures say Abraham went to heaven?

Well for your information, heaven belongs only to the Born Again and the first set of Born Again were Chosen after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said unless you are Born of water and Spirit, and none of those who lived before Jesus had that privileged because those going to heaven have a responsibility which is to rule with Jesus, and there was no training for this not until when Jesus himself came and began teaching people how to rule in God's kingdom.
Abraham and others lived all there lives hoping to see the Christ who will teach people this things but they never had the opportunity of seeing him! So don't be surprised, Abraham will never be in heaven, the only hope Abraham had is a resurrection back to life on planet earth!

Behold a man full of unbiblical assumptions. you never cease to amaze me with your opinion:
I really think I've said what I need to say: for them who desire to know the truth.

PONDER ON THIS:
1 Peter 4:5,6
"(the Church)Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick(living) and the dead(out of the body).
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

Good night.

Maximus69:


Jesus spoke the bolded in PARABLES not literal!

He specifically said "of all those born by women none is greater than John the baptist, yet the least in the kingdom of God is greater than John"
So John is greater than all those born by women (meaning John is greater than Abraham) and if John is not qualified to be there definitely Abraham can't be there!

What?
parable? who taught you that?

you know what?
Those who truly study the scriptures will see that you don't really know what you are even talking about.
I wish there were a more modest way to say that.

let me establish this before I proceed:
John preached the baptism of repentance: not actually the law of Moses, Abraham was not under the law, he was justified through faith.

No one before the death of Christ could have access into His Authority. they prayed and did everything in their own names. John, a mysterious man
-a man more than a prophet - came to make the way and to make Jesus known( he wasn't even under the law: the Pharisees thought that something was wrong with him; and the Bible clearly says he was also Elijah).

Now, when Christ died, we were no longer servants but Sons of God: having the Authority of Christ. Not even the angels have that much authority ( humbly speaking)

Why then do you think that we pray in a name that seems as if it doesn't belong to us( the name of Jesus)?: it belongs to us!
We are the body of Christ!

"if ye be Christ's , then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise"
GALATIANS3:29

Maximus69:


Death is the ultimate judgment nothing is coming afterwards {Romans 6:7} the statement "after death comes judgment" has a deeper meaning.

Abraham is dead and the only hope is a resurrection from the dead!

while you are giving me your opinion, the souls of the matyrrs (killed because of the gospel) are crying for vengeance in heaven and a white robe was given them and they were comforted until the completion of the matyrrs
; while you're typing, praises are going on in heaven.
And while you are doubting ( the report of Christ), The Word of God remains Faithful.

Maximus69:


Abraham have no business with heaven, he can never get there and nothing can ever take Abraham to heaven!

Now you've got me wondering whose report (word) I should believe: your word or Word of the Lord?

Matthew 8:11
"And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."

Moreover, Does your Bible not end in Revelations?: if it does, check it out.

Missyajoke:
I don't know ohh but all I know is that after death comes judgement. Didnt read about reincarnation in the bible.

Yes, after death comes judgement.

Maximus69:
NO! Resurrection is the only thing that brings people back to life, at death Adam return to non-existence. That's what happens to the dead!

while that is naturally true, it's not so spiritually.
Abraham is in heaven. Now.

This is the Word of The Lord

JOB19:26,27
26And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.


LUKE20:37,38
(Jesus speaking)
Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him .

{Matthew 13:41, 42,43}
(Explaining the true meaning of a parable to His disciples, Jesus said)
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

The Book of Revelation (the last book of the Bible) will make it clearer.

GENESIS 1:26&27
"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

God's nature is in man: man was called Adam; representing mankind. When another personality (Eve) was to be created, she was taken out of the man: so Eve was in the man. Adam understood what happened and it reflected on his words when he met Eve. Note that despite the fact that they are two, the man and his wife were one flesh. How much more they that are one Spirit? : for God is Spirit.

Christ is/was/will continue to be in God: as an integral dimension of Him;
ie His Word: who was with Him in the beginning, and was God. (John 1:1&2).
He was made flesh for our redemption through the Spirit; So they are three persons in one God.
Both the Father, His Word and His Spirit are one(1John5:7): The Father generates the ideas; His Word goes forth ; and executes it by the power of the Spirit.

what do you think? does Christ not have only one bride: Even though there are many members (persons)?
The Spirit of the Lord in every Christian, is He not one? (and yet He is in us and also with everyone of us). So, the Spirit of the Father is also in His Son Jesus and the same Spirit is known in the Bible as the Spirit of Jesus.

This is a mystery: and only those who submit to the teaching of the Author of Scriptures can understand it: it's only when you become a humble learner of the Word that u are able to teach those who yet do not understand. Some people go to God's Word as if trying to learn from a colleague or worse still trying to teach Him(God) what they thought they know.
let's remove pride and human doctrinal limitations when studying God's word
Shalom.

haddeylium:


"That they may be one'
What does it mean sir?
Following your logics, Can I apply Trinity concept there too?

The whole Church as we know it, is the body of Christ: one Body, one Spirit: for whosoever is joined to the Lord is one Spirit. And this is a mystery that even though we are many members : we are baptized into the same body (Christ) by the Spirit. And this unity is perfected through Godly (agape) Love.

Janosky:


Continue to DECEIVE YOURSELF, mr TWISTER.

John 1:1, the Word is a living being different from God's spoken word & different from the only true God, his Father. John 17:3,17.

I love that: for Christ's sake and His gospel you can call me whatever you want but His Word still stands. Glory to God!.
If it were not so, I would have told you; However, no one can change the Truth of God's Word.

Did the scriptures not say that our life is hidden with Christ in God?
Did the Bible not say that the head of Christ is God?; Is the head to be separated from the rest of the body? Do they not work in unison to form one body?

Is it not written in God's Word that a man shall leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his wife and the twain (two) shall be one flesh? How much more they that are one Spirit : of which when John saw Jesus in Revelations ; the Lord Jesus told him "I am the Alpha and Omega.."

Did Colossians 1:15 not say that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?

These things are mysteries: that's why the heavenly beigns are not tired to praise God
as the mysteries unfold : They are willing to cast their crowns and bow to the God who is full of mysteries.

Colossians 2:8-10
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10.And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"

Goodnight.

Preciousgirl:
paul writes that Jesus will be under God

help me

Sincerely, I understand that when we try to read the Bible with our human wisdom we get it all wrong. There is a reason Jesus calls them the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Jesus is an integral dimension of God; because He is His Word, with God from the beginning.
{according to John1:1&2}

For our sakes he stripped himself of Glory and came down to drink of the cup: and to rise on the third day for our redemption.

Now, when he took flesh he became a little lower than the angels and became who we are that we might become who He is.

When He resurrected He ascended far above principalities and powers : and sat at God's right hand ( the same position of authority with Him).

There is a great need for all who are in Christ Jesus to come to a point where we attain the unity of faith; for we are members of one body in Christ through the Spirit. Therefore, We can only achieve unity of faith through reading the Bible by the insight of the Holy Ghost: feeding on the Word with the guidiance of the Author.

CONCERNING THE TRINITY: From the scriptures, It's obvious that God, His son and His Spirit are one.

-1-
God is the God of Truth (Isaiah65:16),
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth (John14:17),
and Jesus Who is God is the Truth
( John1:1&2; John14:6)

-2-
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Jesus:
For He is The Spirit of God
(Genesis1:2; Matthew3:16; Acts2:17; Romans8:14)
And also the Spirit of His Son Jesus Christ.
(Romans8:14; Galatians4:6)

-3-
And here is the mystery: to those whom it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God.
Jesus said"I and my Father are one"
(John10:30)
And both are one with the Spirit (1John5:7)

Ponder on this:
If it be so that a man can be joined to his wife and they become one flesh, how much more they that are spirit: if we beign different individuals are baptized into the same body by the Spirit How much more the Father and His Son [His Word]
(1Cor.6:17; 1cor.12:13)

LET US, therefore, never forget the Lord's prayer:
" That they may be one... even as we are one" (John17:21&22)

To those who love Christ:
Shalom.

Sin. Evil. Against nature.

Brachaa:
In order words, people can eat food served to idols but not to the offence of the brethren?

I get the message though.

Thanks

Yes, according to the scriptures: the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. So, if a man goes to buy meat @ the butchers( shambles) let him ask no questions, the same applies to a feast.
But let him never eat it as a worship to the idol ( the state of one's heart is very important)

THIS IS WHAT THE WORD SAYS CONCERNING MEAT AND DRINKS
What goes into the belly of a man does not condemn him, it's what proceeds out of his mouth (coming from his heart: usually expressed through his actions) that defiles him. For as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. Meat (or no meat ) neither draw us closer nor farther from The Lord: The state of your heart does.
However, it can be a personal decision not to eat a certain meat ( just like a fast); and for the sake of your brother's conscience.
{Scriptures are attached below}

1CORINTHIANS8:8
"8:But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse."

MARK7:18-23
"18: (Jesus was speaking to the disciples ) :And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19:Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20:And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man
21:For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22:Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23:All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

1CORINTHIANS8:13
"13:Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend"

ROMANS14:17-20
"17:For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost
18:For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19:Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20:For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence."

COLOSSIANS 2:16
"16:Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

AntiChristian:


Your prayer no they work at all. I'm not an antichrist as that one will come later and I can't represent him. I am antichristian. My God no get child.

Try and organize am make we see!

I'm done with you. You have been hearing about the power of God: it's now time to see that power in action. I have no need to answer you again. You will begin to fear Him and the power of His Christ.
I'm afraid you are in for a serious business.

Kobojunkie:
It seems you are off on a tangent there.
MOGs are guilty of ignoring the word of God
Nope, I am reporting on false prophets... what do you want me to do? Highlight the entire bible or something?
Sure, do not despise the Prophets of the Old Covenent(must be descendants of Jacob as well). But you see, as far as Christianity is concerned, there are no such prophets within our midst.
A man of God, as far as Christianity is concerned, is any person who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ but still fancies his/herself an old-Covenant-type of Prophet or teacher of the law.

I hope you don't learn this the hard way: off on a tangent? Well that's up to you.
While these men are serving God with all of them, making huge sacrifices : out of nowhere boom!!! Someone deviod of knowledge of God's word will bring railing accusations.... It's not every day that a prophet gets patient enough to tolerate ungodliness: sometimes fire comes down from heaven and consumes, other times Elymas has to get blind, some other times Ananias & Sapphira has to die: I hope you would not land yourself in such serious trouble.
Good night.

Kobojunkie:
Pay for it dearly? Not just that! Such a person is not of God at all. And that is exactly what Jesus Christ warned you of. These MOGs have been twisting the word of God for their gain - and Peter even warned you of them too
Those who have fallen for the lies told by those MOGs as the ones who are of greater concern to me... as they are being led by blind people, lying to them in the name of God.
What scripture did you share? Read what Peter told you in his warning against your MOGs.
Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

Kobojunkie:
What teaching? What "Methodology"?
I am not sure what you are even trying to say with all of this.
You are still not saying anything I can understand. What are you saying? According to the Old Covenant definition of the word Prophet, a prophet is someone who is sent from among the people of Israel, on behalf of the people of Israel, to the people of Israel.

God set up as part of His Old Covenant (an everlasting Covenant)a promise to ensure that Israel always has Prophets from among them to relay His message to them. Remember? The People of Israel asked God for this, and He gave them what they asked for. It is for them and the Prophets come from among them. That is a major reason why Jesus Christ had to come from among them as well - a descendant of Jacob/Israel.
As to what God allows a Prophet He sends from among His people, to His people for? He sends them to do His Will among His people. And in His law, He also includes details of what should become of Prophets who fail in their post - death.
As I said, these men are false Prophets/Teachers for they do not belong to Jesus Christ. You cannot live in disobedience to His teachings and His commandments and still belong to Him. It cannot be done! And if you do not understand what it is Peter said there in his letter... ask.
I did not share an opinion there. I share with you the teachings of Jesus Christ... these same teachings are also propagated, as presented by Jesus Christ, through His apostles as well.

MOGs are not of God... they are the false Teachers/Prophets that Jesus Christ warned us against!

Well, I usually wonder what the people of Niniveh would have thought about Jonah...
I also advise people not to be as ignorant as the young ones making mockery of Elisha; until they saw power in action to their own detriment.
The Dynamics of the spirit is not understood with carnal mindset.
As for the scriptures I shared: they are up there in purple text. If you desire, Read them please.

I repeat:
If any man ignores the WORD of the Living God and teach any other gospel... no matter who he is, he will pay dearly for it... {Well I guess you know what you are doing, so there should be no excuse}: because if care is not taken such a man may not have the chance to correct his mistakes! (and I'm afraid you are ignoring great truths of God's Word; questioning God's purpose out of ignorance, if not arrogance). Do you really know what I will think of you if you tell me that your brethren are theives? And what if you are wrong? How are you sure that you are teaching the Gospel of Christ and not opposing it?

You are highlighting scriptures about false prophets; is that all you saw in your Bible?
You did not see where Paul told the church about 2000 years ago not to despise prophecy? You never read about the desiring of spiritual gifts, of impartation? Of God's power 2000 years ago: and I tell you God's power is still working today. Just because you don't like a man's prophecy, you are quoting scriptures about false prophets; what crime has he committed? That is the big Question? Let me clearly call to your remembrance how Jesus was accused of several things yet He was perfect. So when you are quoting scriptures about false prophets I'm trying to fit his( the man in question) life into the context. But I doesn't fit @ all.
By the way, When you say moG; do you mean man of God? Let me really understand you... Are you saying that if a man is of God, that he is false? Because that's what your opinion means. Desist from such teaching pls. Teach God's word: obtain His power.

I will leave you to study the scriptures that I shared with you; The more sure word of prophecy.
Good night.

Kobojunkie:
What teaching? What "Methodology"?
I am not sure what you are even trying to say with all of this.
You are still not saying anything I can understand. What are you saying? According to the Old Covenant definition of the word Prophet, a prophet is someone who is sent from among the people of Israel, on behalf of the people of Israel, to the people of Israel.

God set up as part of His Old Covenant (an everlasting Covenant)a promise to ensure that Israel always has Prophets from among them to relay His message to them. Remember? The People of Israel asked God for this, and He gave them what they asked for. It is for them and the Prophets come from among them. That is a major reason why Jesus Christ had to come from among them as well - a descendant of Jacob/Israel.
As to what God allows a Prophet He sends from among His people, to His people for? He sends them to do His Will among His people. And in His law, He also includes details of what should become of Prophets who fail in their post - death.
As I said, these men are false Prophets/Teachers for they do not belong to Jesus Christ. You cannot live in disobedience to His teachings and His commandments and still belong to Him. It cannot be done! And if you do not understand what it is Peter said there in his letter... ask.
I did not share an opinion there. I share with you the teachings of Jesus Christ... these same teachings are also propagated, as presented by Jesus Christ, through His apostles as well.

MOGs are not of God... they are the false Teachers/Prophets that Jesus Christ warned us against!

Well, I usually wonder what the people of Niniveh would have thought about Jonah...
I also advise people not to be as ignorant as the young ones making mockery of Elisha; until they saw power in action to their own detriment.
The Dynamics of the spirit is not understood with carnal mindset.

If any man ignores the WORD of the Living God and teach any other gospel... no matter who he is, he will pay dearly for it: if care is not taken he may not have the chance to correct his mistakes... (and I'm afraid you are ignoring great truths of God's Word; questioning God's purpose out of ignorance, if not arrogance)
I will leave you to study the scriptures that I shared with you; The more sure word of prophecy.

AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline

Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.

Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb

Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas

Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen

Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway

Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof

Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.

https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145

Codetemplar, Sagenaija

Strictly Biblical!

For a true child of God, your assumptions are incorrect.
When you use the word first I believe you are talking about the first time it's mentioned,but it doesn't mean that other events had not occurred before them: all these things you wrote up there can be organized accordingly into a unity that will amaze you. But let me leave that for you; By the Authority In the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ I rebuke the spirit of Antichrist in you. Now.

Maximus69:


Of course Mbaka is not a true man of God!

But if you want to know how to IDENTIFY them, then we'll have to discuss on what Jesus said will help us to IDENTIFY them "THEIR FRUIT" Matthew 7:16-20

There are men of God today, perhaps you can start meditating on who they're in your neighbourhood after our thorough research on the meaning of the FRUIT!

What often blur the insight of most people is their inability to distinguish between GIFTS and FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.
The GIFTS can be found in virtually all the religions of this world so evil Satan's agents (false prophets) will exhibit the GIFTS {1 Corinthians 13:1-10} but if not members of the branches attached to Jesus {John 15:1-4} they can't bear the FRUIT of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22-23

I believe I have heard those lines before: when the Pharisees blaspemed!. What a faithless generation!. Ready to doubt
the authenticity of prophecy and the power of God, so eager to give the Glory of God to dethroned principalities (when the power becomes too real to be doubted). ... even to the point of blashemy!
No wonder The Lord Jesus marveled at their unbelief.

Now about the Reverend father, Which of the fruits does he lack?
Have you not read in the scriptures that you don't judge another man's servant: .. to his master he falleth or standeth : How much more a servant, a minister, a son, a child of GOD.
However, which of the fruits does he lack?

Kobojunkie:
There are no prophets in Jesus Christ, only Children of God, and God gifts each according to His choosing, and His gifts are not to be used in teaching of doctrines and rules that are not as Jesus Christ commanded.
In Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, God speaks DIRECTLY to each and every one of His children, validating His truth to them directly, and no longer through people or men like in the old Covenant days.
A child of God loves and obeys the commandments of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Master over those who are Children of God.
The gift of prophecy is deceminated only through the Spirit of God who lives inside of each follower of Jesus Christ(Children of God). He alone is able to teach the one who He selects to be a prophet His ways and God's truth. No one, not the MOG, nor 'ministers', can do that.
Resist every man who comes to you pretending He does so in the name of God. Resist the very words out of their mouths for such men are nothing but liars and deceivers who twist the word of God for their own benefit.
God's wrath instead falls heavy on those who put their trust in men, and the words of men, for they are indeed cursed by their actions.

You do not know the scriptures neither do you know the power of God: you are teaching methodology; you think it's humility but it's gross unbelief.
Christ;
A MAN approved OF GOD : Who came down from heaven, stripped himself of glory and died.
He rose from the dead and gave us everything that His Name represents. He gave us his Spirit to guide us into the knowledge of the truth of God's Word, and to make us into a true replica of the full stature of a believer in Christ. Now, The Holy Spirit works in greater ways than you can imagine. No true prophet has ever been independent of God, Jesus and the Holy spirit: only that people don't usually believe them if the message doesn't suit the itchy ears of the unbelievers.

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy: but you will never manifest any dimension without Faith, for without Faith it's impossible to please God. There is a mystery that make a man a vessel unto honour meet for the master's use. There is a place (scriptural basis) for impartation and partaking in the grace to manifest spiritual gifts. (There are so many things I want you to know from God's Word, but from what you said, you may not be able to understand them now; but if you truly love God and read his word by the inspiration of The Spirit , He will them known to you)

As a prophet, God can reveal to you things about yourself, other people, a nation and even His plans for Generations yet unborn.
There is nothing small about our God and if you understand God,you will know that there ought to be nothing small about His sons.

If you repent, sincerely so, perhaps God will forgive you: of your lie. From your first sentence, I can't help but be amazed at the high level of contradiction between your opinion(doctrine) and the scriptures: AND since you are speaking of the new testament, I will call to your remembrance the following verses amongst numerous others ( that's if you've ...ever read them before). If you are willing to know the truth, you can check them and read for yourself, but if not, stop trying to decieve the Church.

Do you know about Ananias & Sapphira; their encounter with peter?
{Acts5:1-15}
Do you know about Saul (Paul); how he was saved and received his sight?
{Acts9:10-17}
Have you not read about Philip and his daughters?
{Acts8:26-40,Acts21:8&9}
How about the prophets of Jerusalem and those @ Antioch?
{Acts11:27,Acts13:1}
How about a man (Paul)who laid hands on people and they began to prophesy?
{Acts19:6}
And he even desired to do more! With so much confidence.
{Romans1:11}
Have you heard anything about Agabus?
{Acts11:28,Acts21:10-33}
Timothy?
{1Timothy1:18,1Timothy4:14}
READ 1COR.12,13&14 FOR CLARIFICATION
Also read The BOOK OF REVELATION given to John.



To those who love God: have faith in God and despise not prophecies
(1Thesselonians5:20),
flee from anyone having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof (2Timothy3:5), if you need witnesses: feed on the Word


Never criticise a man just because of your opinion; especially when you have not attained his level of death to the flesh: ( there are men who have hazarded their lives for the sake of the gospel of Christ just like in the days of Paul and Silas) even if they keep quiet, their sacrifice speaks.