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tctrills:
Many of them feel forums are places to vent their frustration.

Thank you very much my dear. I just just don’t understand how a thinking person can be saying that QM is logical from our macro perspective!

LordReed:
For you to call someone who says QM is illogical smart it means you are very deficient in the subject. Nobody with a passing familiarity on the subject would see this garbage and call it smart.

I don't just know how someone can be saying that QM is logical from macroscopic perspective

LordReed:
Run away? You've start smoking that thing again bah.

It's called quantum entanglement not magic. LoLz.

What's the difference between that and magic?
I'm waiting with bated breath

LordReed:
Run away? You've start smoking that thing again bah.

It's called quantum entanglement not magic. LoLz.

You were not asked the name. You were asked to say how and why it is logical from our perspective

tctrills:
He is just a child and the typical niaralander. To them, it's all about insults when they can't provide answers

Thank you my goid friend. No mind am. Non sequiturs all over the place

LordReed:
Please continue in your insanity, it's entertaining. LoLz.

Don't run away sir. Come and tell us the difference, and while at it also tell us how it is logical that something done to a particle on earth will have exact same effect on a particle light years from earth

LordReed:
Look at the screenshot then. The particles PASED THROUGH. You just say a bunch of ignorant rubbish and someone like tctrills would think you are smart. What a shame.

You the one saying ignorant stuff and making a fool of yourself sir. You've been told one thing they know for sure is that the particle shouldn't pass through the barrier. Then it appeares on the other side - they have no way of knowing it passed through it or how, just conjecture

LordReed:
LMFAO! Eleyi ti ya were. Bwahahahahaha!

Don't understand you sir. If you're measuring my clothes to determine my height is that not akin to thinking about me? If not, tell us the difference

LordReed:
LoLz. Please read what quantum tunneling is and stop saying ignorant nonsense.

Tunneling is a quantum mechanical phenomenon when a particle is able to penetrate through a potential energy barrier that is higher in energy than the particle’s kinetic energy.
https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Quantum_Mechanics/02._Fundamental_Concepts_of_Quantum_Mechanics/Tunneling

Your link doesn't lead to anything sir. Try it yourself. Better yet, take my word for it, quantum particles can appear anywhere. That they appear at the other side of a barrier doesn't necessarily mean they passed through it

LordReed:
So to you an indirect MEASUEMENT is not measurement because it is indirect. I swea4 you need help. Serious help.

You the one needs serious help sir.
If I'm measuring the moon to determine the position of the sun it is akin to thinking of the sun!

LordReed:
Shouldn't and can't are the same to you? Like what are you smoking? Maybe you should seek help, this is not normal.

You should not be able to pass through a wall but you appear on the other side.
Doesn't prove you passed through the wall. All we know for sure is that you SHOULD NOT be able!

LordReed:
LoLz. OMFD. I already said the observation was measurement not merely looking. Why is this so hard for you?

Please explain to us what it means to measure something you can't directly measure

LordReed:
Where does it say "They "pass through" barriers they can't pass through"?

Right here

LordReed:
LoLz. This is insane. You literally said you measure! How do you delude yourself so thoroughly?

Measuring in this case is akin to observing because quantum particles CANNOT be directly measured!!

LordReed:
I asked a simple question, were does it say "They "pass through"barriers they didn't pass through"?

You reply too quickly. I immediately changed the post to:
They "pass through" barriers they can't pass through

LordReed:
LoLz. I think English is your problem. Where does it say "They "pass through"barriers they didn't pass through"?

If there is a wall and you appear at the other side of the wall, of course we can say you somehow passed through the wall, but we can also say you appeared at the other side without passing through

LordReed:
You have to conduct measurements not mere thoughts. LoLz.

Like me? I certainly hope not. Then there won't be people like you who we can school or clown on.

Indirect measurements are akin to thoughts.
Quantum particles can't be directly measured.

If I'm measuring the moon to determine the position of the sun...

LordReed:
Show where it says quantum particles or any of its states don't exist until observed.

You keep talking foolish sir.

They don't exist AT THAT SPOT!!!! How many times will I say that. Just as in "your alternative selves exist but don't exist here till you "download" them"

LordReed:
OMFD! Do you know the size of quantum particles compared to the atoms that make up a solid? By Orion's Beard you are so terrible at this.

Why not research it. It is called "tunnelling". They "pass through" barriers they can't pass through

LordReed:
You posted something with superposition on it and yet you are still saying it doesn't exist until observation. Have you even read what QM is about or are you just regurgitating what you barely understood from the internet rabbit hole you fell in?

You know what I mean: it doesn't exist at that spot!!! Everything exists including your alternate selves if any!
Read below some "illogicalities" of QM, let's see who fell into a rabbit hole

LordReed:
Dumdum we have to measure them to make those observations.

You remind me of some other person that came awhile ago talking about Einstein and Musk like a fanatic. Sure you didn't just change monikers? LoLz.

You don't measure them directly.
Sir, I've only ever had this one moniker and I've had it for a long time - maybe u think everyone is like you

FiveFootNinja:
What are we even talking about here? What is QM demonstrating? The manifestation of reality from the transformation of human consciousness? Abi is it the mere act of observation itself?

I dey go sleep abeg. Will continue tomorrow.

It is demonstrating that at core the universe is NOT logical. Objects don't miraculously appear on the other side of a solid they can't pass through

LordReed:
LoLz. Ahh, you've never been to an airport sorry.

WTF are you on about? Quantum particles are always there. You don't even know what you are saying and tctrills thinks you are smart. What a shame. LoLz.

You know what I mean.
Ok, use another example: it is illogical for a particles to appear on the other side of a solid it cannot possibly pass through. Is that good enough for ya?

FiveFootNinja:
Just because you've only ever been familiar with "macro world logic" doesn't mean it has now become the ultimate arbiter for making sense of things. And just because QM challenges macro-scaled assumptions doesn't mean it poses any particular challenge to formal logic itself. So there's absolutely no need to impose our own logic rules on the quantum realm. QM already operates within its own logical framework.

Meanwhile let's come back to your argument that counterintuitive and illogical are synonymous. My Economics knowledge is not the strongest but I'll try and use it to try and illustrate the difference to you.

Normally, common sense (intuition) will have us believe that after the government has now increased the minimum wage to 70k, then poverty in the country will reduce to an extent, thereby enabling economic growth. That's common sense thinking, right?

But the reality is that labor costs are going to increase, which means that a lot of businesses could be going through the wringer. To manage costs, employment opportunities might become more limited. Doesn't this seem "counterintuitive"? Afterall, we're all expecting the welfare and livelihood of civil servants to improve with the 70k increase abi?

So yes, it's counterintuitive. But it's still logical. How tho?

Well, it still follows principles about price floors in the labor markets e.g increase in price makes employers to demand less labor, potentially reducing hours or positions. All of that is perfectly explained by economic theory and there are no internal contradictions in these principles.

I don't know if I'm explaining these things correctly but I sincerely hope you get the point cause my head don dey pain me and I wan sleep.

It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

LordReed:
LoLz. You cannot observe quantum particles without measurement. Abeg stop talking jargons you don't know.

You're the one talking nonsense sir.
We don't directly "see" quantum particles in the way we see macroscopic objects. Instead, we observe their effects on other particles or devices, allowing us to infer their properties and behavior.

FiveFootNinja:
Madam abi Oga, QM doesn't explain how thoughts influence reality. Rest. 😩

Oga abi madam, never said it explained anything. It demonstrated it though

LordReed:
You went to the airport and they said produce your ID before you board the plane, argue with them that they are illogical because you entered a bus without ID whether you won't look like a fool.

Redefining stuff just to fit your jargons is intellectual dishonesty and unfortunately ignorant people like you will keep falling for such pathetic tactics.

Huh? Airport what? I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is that our macro world it is ILLIOGICAL for something to be there only when there's an observer!

LordReed:
Dumdum thoughts don't affect QM. The observer effect is measurement not thought you deluded twât.

Mere observation which is same as thought not necessarily measurement - they are there only when you look!

tctrills:
I have followed the thread. DaddyCool is actually very smart, and just because you can't present satisfactory answers is no reason to call her dumb.
Go do more research and come up with better answers, no need to insult.

Please tell him. The oga is only good at insult. Thank you very much

LordReed:
You are the dumb one looking at binary and expecting it to be decimal. Dumb and deluded.

So u understand binary system is illogical in our everyday decimal system.
So also particles behavior in the quantum workd is illogical in our macro world, though you can set up a system of logic in the quantum world where all those characteristics would be logical and intuitive

Gabrielshow24:
Don't mind him!
Somvayina is a well-established idiot!

His own god is the cosmos👀.
His own god always fails to fulfill 'his purpose' hence the need to keep coming back😂😂😂.

The list goes on but I am afraid I am not chanced to elucidate it all🤧

He is a 'fine' specimen like Max👀
😂😂😂😂

I wouldn't call him an idiot nor compare him to Max but I think he's a misguided Buddhist of sorts😆

FiveFootNinja:
QM is only concerned with the behavior of particles, not the power of positive thinking. Lol.

For a long time thoughts and imagination were observed to seemingly affect reality then QM came along and provided physical instance where that actually happens!