₦airaland Forum

Toju200:
I'm surprised even
US special forces are in mozambique already to train their military .but I'm sure they'll do more than Just training

USA no dey ever pass training now.

Ask Guatemala, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and so many other beneficiaries of the USA's world class "military training".

shadowprimezero:
LMAO, some silly people were saying that the JF-17's were not only reassembled in a few hours after their delivery, but already fully integrated into NAF's operational infrastructure and dropping RAAD-II payloads on motorcycle bandits in the NW all IN A FEW SHORT HOURS. Bro even said NAF allowed him to visit the hangers and actually had some people who should have know better belive him and even defended him. LOL

Boss read the release again, slowly. Then add this tidbit below.

The airframes have been public knowledge for about 5 days now. The CAS went to TAC and didn't as much as acknowledge the specific aircraft or drones he was talking about. Just said general new platforms.

Also notice the specificity of "be good hosts to the foreign technicians".

In the pictures, every SINGLE foreigner is Pakistani.

If this kain person do test use of aircraft and weapons before official commissioning, if you no dey above am for chain of command, he go bother tell you?!

Make we reason am now.

Raaven:
nigerian air force use napalm ? incendiary weapons ? thermobaric bombs ?

seeing their typical position, they were burned alive

Our Indian friend(welcome back @Nemesis) suspects fuel-air explosives.

And I can agree because by God, those things ROAST everything in their damage radius.

bidexiii:
DEFENCE HEADQUARTERS TAKES LEAD IN ALL JOINT OPERATIONS - Air Marshal Amao

[b]The Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) Air Marshal Oladayo Amao has stated that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) and other sister Services have agreed to subordinate themselves to the Defence Headquarters (DHQ) under the able leadership of the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), General Lucky Irabor. [/b]According to him, just as it is obtainable in military organizations worldwide, the DHQ is responsible for the command and control of the entire Armed Forces of Nigeria (AFN) which also means that all ongoing joint operations and Joint Task Forces are directly subordinated to the DHQ, and their commanders report directly to the CDS. This, he said, is the new line the Service Chiefs have all agreed to tow as efforts are on to bring the various security challenges to an end. Air Marshal Amao made this known in Makurdi while on his maiden tour of Tactical Air Command (TAC). According to him, 'When we say we are members of the AFN, we mean the 3 Services represent a single entity. When we accept the fact that we the members of the AFN constitute a united entity, the need for rivalry will not arise.'

Air Marshal Amao also spoke of his administration's resolve to revert to the military tradition of adherence to seniority and hierarchy in the appointment of officers to head command posts. 'Situations where subordinate officers are given command appointments ahead of their seniors does not augur well for the system as this breeds insubordination and indiscipline'. Speaking on discipline, Air Marshal Amao stated that there would be no sacred cows when it comes to discipline as those found wanting would be punished as ascribed in the Armed Forces Act. He also spoke of the impending arrival of some platforms purchased for the NAF to Makurdi and urged personnel to support the 131 Engineering Group, being the hub of some of the platforms, as well as make the foreign technicians feel at home. The platforms, according to the CAS, when fully operational would be deployed immediately to the theatres of operations and should hopefully be the game changers in all DHQ led operations nationwide.

The CAS also stated that efforts were currently underway to improve the combat efficiency of the NAF and other services to an appreciable level and these efforts have the full backing of the President and Commander -in - Chief of the AFN, President Muhammadu Buhari. He then enjoined NAF personnel to continue to support the Federal Government in its efforts to equip the NAF and other Services.
Personnel welfare also got a boost as the CAS assured that non promotion of NAF personnel due to inability to attend courses that should enable their upgrading would be given special consideration as soon as they meet the criteria set for the promotion. On NAF post service housing schemes, the CAS frowned at the situation where personnel are compelled and put under financial duress just to meet up with initial deposits for the houses. According to him, 'Housing schemes by the NAF should be easily affordable and stress-free.' He then directed the Chief of Administration to work out modalities where payment for houses would be deducted from monthly salaries and not in lump sums that usually exert undue pressure on personnel. 'These practices have proven to be effective and efficient in other developing countries and I see no reason why we can't try it here', he said.
The visit, which had the Chiefs of Training and Operations, Logistics, Air Intelligence and Aircraft Engineering in attendance saw the CAS tour various units within TAC Makurdi.

Edward Gabkwet
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
26 March 21

Praise Master Jesus!

We have a fighting CDS once again

Can't wait for 72MSF and AFSF to restart the kind of God's work they did pre-2015 elections!

Just heard a very negative report on Kiss FM radio that some soldiers of Operation Lafiya Dole are protesting their posting to a certain part of the AOR (actual area unstated).

Reasons for protest are said to be:

Inadequate payment of allowances.

Poor/defective weapons and equipment.

A lack of adequate vehicles ( I suspect they are referring to armor there).

iblawi:
15 F-7 were bought 12 single seat and 3 dual seat.

We have 9 in Service and atleast 3 were were lost due to recklessness of pilot. Several other countries still have them in service .

Correction taken my Oga.

But my point still stands.

According to your own numbers, 20% attrition has been due to reckless pilots?

And another 20% due to other factors (birdstrike etc).

20% pilot error in a fleet is ABNORMAL.

Others have them in service agreed, but the Nigerian fleet is tiny mehn.

I'm open to correction on this number but I see that Naija's fleet is the 2nd smallest globally, except for the Namibians with 6 planes.

Na our battle or size mates be that?

Lest we forget, 9 planes means only 3 are available at any time.

3 in the air on tasking, 3 in hangar on maintenance and 3 sitting on tarmac quick alert.

In abnormal times like these I can only cut cap for NAF HQ & NAF Engineering for their ability to generate sufficient sorties to cover up this glaring deficit.

Hmmmmmm, it is well.

iblawi:
Good news then.
For the sake of cost I will prefer the Yak-130 or L-15. The will practically fulfil the same purpose and they are all identical.

M-346 is far more expensive not because it will do something special but because of the cost of labour, tax and other Euro wahala. Same reason Iphone prefers manufacturing their phones in china.

F-7 won't get replaced anytime soon. Besides M346 is good replacement for Alpha jets but doesn't serve the same role as F-7. Besides F-7 are still new in our inventory.

2005-2008 is when the fleet of 18 (12 F7, 6 FT7) was delivered.

Since then, that fleet has lost more that 30% of its original strength to crashes.

IIRC all, or almost all the trainers are gone as described.

I don't think it can be called new again o!

bidexiii:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6YV6jicCc

Beautiful!

bidexiii:
Dude stop what you don't know, these jeeps are not bullet proof.
There was a time that Buratai jeeps and the former theatre commander came under attack in 2015, the theatre commander was riddle with bullet.

Maybe back then ,but this LandCruiser is definitely treated.

tutudesz:
I think the tinted film is bad and not the windshield

Still saying the same thing.

Best practice for treated vehicles is to change the glass once any delamination is noticed.

tutudesz:
GOC moving inside a N50 million bulletproof Landcruiser Gx.r and telling your men with Hilux to be becareful of IED

The windshield don even dey expire lol

Lurker4Long:
I'd love to know how a 250-500kg dumb bomb carried on an upgraded Mig-21 platform that NAF has had for years suddenly became a nuclear or cruise missile, carried on a platform NAF received days later and has yet to officially commission.

My mate at Denel said NAF aren't idiots, maybe he meant they're geniuses who can bend time and the laws of physics.

1. NAF doesn't have to officially induct before operations start.

When Israel and the USA were running Operation Nickel Grass to replace heavy Israeli materiel and platform losses during the 1973 War, did the Israelis officially commission every tank and F4E before deployment to the Sinai?

Never mind for a long touted gamechanger airframe. No be assign the bird fleet/tail number join am for the fight?

2. I agree. Hence my earlier assertion that the Pakistanis could have supplied near-expiry RAAD 1 missiles for relative peanuts.

Or, if you were the Pakistani Chief of Air Staff, would you rather let these $1 million weapons expire and be disposed of than sell to a brother country for $200k, with the proviso that it has a very short lifespan?

This brother country is also a fellow OIC member and you have deep personal interservice links due to decades of joint training.

Like you said RAAD I hasn't been battle tested.

Where else best to test it than against active millitants, who don't expect such an attack while threatening to turn the entire county into a boiling pot of hot mess?!

Odunayaw:
Agenda must agend

Oga, are you not aware of such freebies in global arms procurement?

No matter who is selling or what is being sold, there is always some form of "sweetener" involved.

From training to ordnance to maintenance, e fit be anything.

I'm not saying that's how we acquired RAAD I or RAAD II.

I'm only saying let's be open minded, anything could have happened in the course of dealing to allow Nigeria acquire this weapon as part of the JF17 system.

slimthugchimee2:
It has already been proved boss:

Nigeria doesn't have Raad missiles



Nigeria doesn't have any platform capable of launching Raad missiles



The Jf17 came after the bombing has already been done


So what other evidence do you need?

1. Wrong. Unless you are Chief of Ordnance, NAF HQ, or privy to the deal in a high level government capacity, nothing gives you the standing to say it's not in the armory.

Wanna quote SIPRI for me? We know that they are a joke when it comes to Nigerian procurement.

2. Wrong again. Assembling a fighter is an overnight task, so unless you were at TAC to confirm aircraft used on Monday morning, biko hapu okwu.

3. Even more wrong. It arrived on Sunday evening.

When did fixing wings, horizontal/vertical stabilizers and conducting flight test on a complete (manufacturing and configuration) fighter airframe become bigger than a 24 hour task?

4. Someone up thread told us how it took no more than 6 hours for the F7NI to be completely broken down for crated transport to China. And you still doubt. Okay o.

JOSCOFELIX:
my big bro when f 7 jet was dismantle in benue it did not take the technician more than an hour to do so. so i dont see any reason that basted will be quoting me. i was not online yesterday because [b]i left my home to see the beautiful j 17 in the airforce base. [/b]from my location to beune is 4 -6 hour journey thank

Pictures please!!!!!

At least others don dey release their own.

And don't say you have none.
Not after a 6 hour trip!

Edit out whoever you need to but please share this one with us. Thanks!

tutudesz:
Are you saying they can't assemble the wings in less than 24 hours Or must there be an official hand over before been used for a military operations
Because I see no reason for this argument, if you can't answer this question

E shock me o

Fynline:
Hope say you no go put your friend for trouble like this? One love

Felix truly consider this sometimes.

I like how you stylishly withheld JF17 by stating the weapon but not the aircraft until it became public knowledge.

Do that more often.

Blessings to you and all on this thread!

Odunayaw:
Make it make sense to me. NAF sparingly uses its ATGM for BH/ISWAP but will suddenly use an estimated $500k-$1m CRUISE MISSILE for bandits.

C'mon stop this

Expensive, I agree.

But have you thought that the Pakistanis might have thrown in free live ordnance that is close to expiry from their own stocks, for training purposes or even for actual mission use as part of the JF17 deal?

RAAD I is a 2007 weapon.

It is not impossible that a few warheads are near expiry, and were offered and paid for cheaply as part of the overall deal to enable such strategic strikes.

Even I criticized the cost of the NAF JF17.

But if this kind of excitement becoming constant is a part of the deal, then God's name be praised!

I'm a long time poster and follower on this thread (using a new moniker).

From the days when I would visit Beegs Blog before coming here and the other African security thread, the different deaths of this thread and indeed it's revivals have a common theme.

A new poster with good intentions and Intel joins and wows all with their information. But suddenly, haters begin to rise and such person is attacked until they are hounded off the thread.

Factual corrections are very in order, and stopping people spreading lamba stories is in order too.

But can we PLEASE do this without insults, name calling and all the derailing of the thread that comes with it.

Such behaviour chased the Indian away from here, chased the Algerian away from here, chased the South Africans away from here and now it is chasing our fellow Nigerians away.

Even the Kenyan rarely comes by anymore.

O wrong now!

We owe some people here a big apology.

I set the example and apologize to JOSCOFELIX for all the attacks he received about his "nuclear" bomb.

I believe that the explosion and battle damage from a half ton (RAAD I warhead weight, so I expect RAAD II will be heavier) warhead Cruise Missile is no joke, hence the "nuclear" tag.

After all that is the closest we will ever have to nuclear for the foreseeable future.

Felix stated that RAAD II was used and people insulted his life. Many forgot the link to JF 17.

Less than 72 hours later we have photo confirmation that indeed the birds are here, and I even suggested to us how the service entry may have been expedited.

We should be calming down small for each other as we build an online family that grows our individual knowledge of Nigeria's defence sector.

Ese. Daalu. Nagode. Thank you!!

cutievik:
We just pray this CAS doesn't take us back to the stone age..Why can't we follow good precedence?? Some Nigerian air force personnel died in a plane crash and we could sense a different atmosphere from the usual that greeted such news from the NAF family, the press release from the previous media team alone would make you patriotic.

Would the movie Eagle wings had been produced?? Too early to judge I guess.
Here's a report I just saw, happen yesterday.

Me I call fake news on that tweet.

I watched the burial of those 7 fine men at National Military Cemetery live on Channels.

The current CAS was there, almost all NAF Flag Officers were there, Minister of Defence was there and the CDS plus all service chieves sent 2 star representation.

Video still fit dey YouTube sef.

If the family decided to do something after the military rites, then it is not compulsory for them to partake again.

Abi how una reason am?

Odunayaw:
Did the pilot carry it in his pocket? We simply do not have any platform [yet] that can launch the Raad.

Knowing Nigeria, JF 17 fit don enter begin do the work of the Lord silently.

After all, it's the only known launch vehicle for the Missile, and we have ordered some.

Yes, the Mirage can also launch it but is not anywhere on our defence scope as a country.

Remember Sadique once borrowed Super Mushak before ours were ready.

What's to say he didn't do same with JF 17 as a parting gift?!

JOSCOFELIX:
i call him for the fourth time he said it was raad ll bomb

God bless Air Marshall SB Abubakar forever.

The bolded means that low-key the JF 17 is in service.

All pictures of the weapon I have seen either being tested or fired show JF 17 as the delivery vehicle.

My findings are that the weapon is a Pakistani ALCM( Air Launched Cruise Missile) and has a range of 600(SIX HUNDRED) Kilometers!

Nigeria enemies go hear am sha!!!