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HumbledbYGrace: Dagr8 missed your presence around here, m planning a tea party this weekend and I want you to be the master of ceremonies you know?

HumbledbYGrace: Dagr8 and toba the bible tells us not to lie o

#just passingby

justsmile: Hmmmm........ If I decide to give someone a 'bicycle kick' I do bad?!!! Ok o! God dey!

ATMC: do you also kiss french?

toba: Wetin Nay? Na after second leg. I 'sware' i will give u the money if bayern qualifies. In fact i'll marry u as well.

[size=15pt]Nna...You and dis ur marry marry tin...is making me vex o ...Justsmile is not available [/size]

justsmile: Where is Toba?!!! #clears throat# hope my money is ready! 1000 dollars only!!!

[size=15pt] *clears throat* Are u also Igbo like me ni? Cos i know we Igbos we too like money [/size]

Ihedinobi: For instance, we are told that if we believe, we will be saved, not that our belief is our salvation, but that our salvation comes because we believe.

[size=15pt] Kai...me no know where to start typing from sef... ...whether from the head or the neck or from d leg
Meanwhile, i do respect OP's versed knowledge of the scripture (i envy u ) .I do appreciate the in-depth explanations you also provided.
Honestly, i av learnt one or two things...
I do believe the purpose of this thread is for us to exhort one another, look at the Scriptures together concerning this issue and learn from each other...so we would allow the scripture to be our guide...
I choose to bring dis post from where we started d same discussion...to make things clearer [/size]

Ihedinobi: I have therefore decided to start a thread specifically to explain the matter at length, but it will not be now. For now, however, I will provide a few points that I think are salient to the issue.

Y1. We are not in contention over the involvement of faith in getting saved. We are agreed that to be saved, one must believe the Gospel.

2. You agree that also there must be the presence of the Spirit of God in the life of the person who has believed, so that he is saved.

3. You deny that the initial deposit of Christ is the baptism of the Holy Ghost and insist that that comes after.

You see, we are actually in agreement except for the last

[size=15pt] I posted something in the initial thread which helps us to understand d distinction between the two experiences...

I will re-post d same with little modifications

I want us to look at the scenario in Acts 8:4-17.

Acts 8:12 (KJV)... says..." But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus ...they were baptized, both men and women"
We can quickly run to Romans 10:9, Mark 16:16; John 3:15 ...to know if these guys are saved or not.

Verse 14-15...tells us that the Apostles( Peter and John) had to come all the way from Jerusalem, of course not by plane or any kind of automobile, so you can imagine the time lapse..

Assuming one of them by name Mrs Ihenidobi (who have received the gospel and believed), had gone to the market to buy guguru or ewedu , when the Apostles came around and she didnt come back until the Apostles had left. Do you know Mrs Ihenidobi would not have experienced what happened in Acts 8:17, until perhaps another time.

so we have a case at hand:
1.Is Mrs Ihenidobi saved or not?[/size]

[size=15pt] @Ihedinobi...gr8 one...i av not been able to read through..but at least i know the msg ...will get back when am free...meanwhile Bidam u spoke my mind [/size]

Bidam: I tend to agree with somethings here and disagree in others..lemme point them out.Which i strongly believe it is.
the disciples were a timid bunch of unlearned people. The pharisees sat in moses seat and were intimidating for they feel they were custodians of the law.The disciples were well aware that Jesus was always at loggerhead with them.Hence they needed power to witness.Remember peter who was afraid spake boldly when the enduement of power came from on high.Every born-again believer has the Holy Ghost in a measure through the new birth (John 3:5-8;John 4:14). But this is not the same as the baptism in the Holy Spirit — the enduement of power from on High that Jesus talked about in Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8, and John 7:38. Just because someone is born again doesn't mean he is filled with the Holy Spirit.

You still did not put this scripture into consideration "And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit".John 20:22.Are you saying the disciples did not receive a measure of the Holy Spirit before Christ ascended?

EmmyDe25: Holy Moly!!! You dont knw who Taylor Swift is? Lyk seriously??

[size=15pt] Yes i dont. Pls tell me [/size]

EmmyDe25: Dont be sad.. U'v got Taylor Swift. Shes Dec 13. I knw she wl be hapi to meet u.

[size=15pt]Lol....who is Taylor Swift [/size]

jsh_eng: the problem we face on BOM thread is dat many of dem want quick cash, dereby they crash deir account, it might interest you to know dat I placed a 2-day bet on GOLD on BOM platform and its yielding fruits, but if I place d signal on d thread dey will ignore it, bcoz dey don't av d patient to wait 4 da long....always lookn for d shortcut sometimes doesnt pay...my pple say dat "it is with patient dat one leaks hot soup" no vex say I talk proverb for ur front....I greet you

jsh_eng: bro, I entered it since yesterday @ dis price 1380.29 and will let it run till it get to 1430 or more, did thesame on BOM as well...

Manweysabi: BOM fit make man develop high BP i'm more at ease with forex.

ayox2003: Bommaster, imagine! Who would have guessed? Piponomics is one sharp guy to have detected... I still trade BOM very well. Left the thread cos of one newbie I met live who wanted to spoof my login details. Anyways, nice of u. Aint trading today.



Frawzey

rozayx5: hmmm my GJ sell stopped me out with only 20 pips after seeing 80pips+

looking for where to fire my next set of missiles

ATMC: Good morning beautiful souls

HumbledbYGrace: Good morning dear

Piponomics: 1200pips move in one day. Nawa o!

uj_sizzle: you're a Christian. What do you call Solomon's numerous marriages, or David's for that matter....adultery??
Marrying more than one wife has never being deemed sinful. Make una stop to add extra commandment for your own Christianity hah.

[size=15pt] Huh! [/size]

Idowuogbo: Water!

justsmile: This sorry and hanky is coming late! Don cry finish console myself!!!
The test was good. Expecting the good news!
Didn't even finish.....but one thing is certain, God's favour will take me from where I am to where I desire to be!
Tnx for asking!!!
Where have you been?! Hmm.... You really missed the 'show down' yesterday!!! Lol

Ihedinobi: @An0nimus and every other interested person

I will post the link when I've made the thread.

@dagr8

If you can bear it, read my posts again. There is a reason that I keep delineating points on which we agree and points on which we don't. If you don't appreciate that, we will be fighting instead of discussing, edifying and exhorting one another.



PS. About Peter's revelation, Jesus said the Holy Spirit was dwelling with them, remember?

[size=15pt] Lol...me not sabi fight o ....i think point 3 in your penultimate post is our only disagreement abi? I do appreciate...ok...we are discussing then.... May God help us all [/size]

justsmile: Lol......... That's my my nairaland character! Duh!!! Na you teach me NL character remember?!!!
Anyways..... Spot on!!! HBG all the way! We are in support! #still sobbing sha#thought I had a chance!!! Toba the 'eligible' bachelor is goneeeeee!!! #crying# lol
But my 1000 dollars still stands sha! No 'hide n seek' for this one o! Na money things! Eheh!
On a more serious note......guys, I have a test to write 2mao...... Y'all should pray for me!!!

Guitarlife: i love humbled too. everybody does, she is such a fine lady. i even dreamt that we married once. . . . before my bunk mate woke me up with a toxic fart

[size=15pt] This guys will not kill me with laugh o [/size]

Idowuogbo: Hmmm....

toba.:
My matter with HBG is private. I can boast that no one can take her away

[size=15pt] Really [/size]

toba: shoooo. i resemble politician pikin? all N1 i spend is budgeted for. You will have to marry me first

Ihedinobi: For those interested in this question about what it means to be saved and how we are, please considee Acts 11 and 15 particularly the following bits

Acts 11:17
So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?

Acts 15:8-9
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

Damex333: I know that there is baptism of d holy ghost and i dont think it is same xit been saved, just by believing we are saved, but do u know that by dat time dat there were saved,they don't av d spirit in them, but d spirit came at pentecostal day, even our Lord Jesus Christ recieved d spirit wen if was baptised by John, why d spirit came upon him immediately was that he was a born prophet, he has been ordained b4 been born, if only needed d spirit 2 completely and help him in d ministry, we all know if has believed even thousand of years b4 been born but he still need 2 be baptised by spirit. Isn't that wen his ministry started.?