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Everybody is considering, ok o

kalo23:
Hello house, I got a mail frm mactay inviting for an interview tomorrow,I really don't know if I should go or not. please I need ur response. [color=#006600][/color]

Got it too. Still considering it, too sudden.

dnapstar:
Let me introduce at this point that I studied political science and have a management certification.


Please what management certificate is it and with what Institute?

Institute of strategic management

Crass stupidity.

Nihilist:
You still don't seem to get it despite being told by a prospective employer.

Everything HR does is geared towards minimising incoming lawsuits.

HR does health and safety training not because the department personally cares about your safety, but so that if anything goes wrong, the business can stand up in court or a tribunal and show proof that they trained you well and pass liability elsewhere...

HR 'recruiting' is just an opportunity for the company to claim that they are equal opportunity recruiters.

Even though do a lot of writing at School, Education is not about writing. I hope you get it now

Like everything, there are perspectives and this is another side to the function of HR.

Oooops:
Inasmuch as i was being sarcastic which point you didn't get... that doesn't mean the issue of earnings is something to disclose especially in a public forum! There are job ethics, and earnings is a confidential agreement which i know you know cos this shouldn't be your first job.
By the way, its not about humble beginnings as you put it, everyone started from somewhere! so there is nothing proud in what i said.... sarcastically!!!
Kudos...
L.B: That's why Nairaland has P.M

No problem at all. A fruitful New Year to you.

Nihilist:
You don't have to agree...

But it is the truth. HR isn't there to manage people and HR isn't there to settle disputes between Employer and Employee. HR is there to cover the Employer's arsë.

Lol. The recruitment and training that HR engages in is for what?

yompy:
[b] I THINK HE'S RIGHT. NO ONE CAN manage MAN. YOU CAN ONLY lead MAN & maximize HIS TALENTS

Man, Money, and Materials can all be managed.

Nihilist:
Also, as a Political Science graduate, I'm quite disappointed that the OP didn't do much justice to the second question, despite it being the most famous paraphrased line from arguably the most famous treatise on politics of all time.

I just don't understand how that question could confuse you...

What confused me was trying to get the stance of the director towards the principle, not the principle itself. So I gambled and pitched against it.

Nihilist:
HR really isn't about managing people regardless of what you read in books, or at uni.

The real purpose of the HR department is to reduce or eliminate Employer Liabiity.

Quite frankly, HR only exists to try and prevent the Organisation from getting sued by it's Employees.

Truthfully, it has very little to do with managing people

This is new and I totally disagree.

Even at that, the process of settling dispute between and among employees and employers still falls under the prisms of Management.

Jarus:
Sometimes, interviewers, especially non-HR interviewers like CEO, Directors etc, ask some questions just to play the devil's advocate. Just to disrupt the flow and see how coherent you will be in the face of disruption to your line of thought.

Most executive-level interviewers don't ask traditional interview questions. The good thing is most of them are usually lenient once you demonstrate basic intelligence.

Mere mention of Nicolo Machiavelin even if you went on to ramble, would have convinced him.

On relationship between the course, the civil engrg and medicine example is different. These are more specialist courses. HR is different. HR is not a specialist area in the sense of medicine. You just needed to go on and list example of successful HR practitioners that had academic background different from HR

Of course I mentioned Nicolo machiavelli and a brief history of the principle, but I pitched against the principle, guess that was the problem.

Thanks anyway.

oshdam2015:
If you read in between the line, he didn't really mean, human resources doesn't have anything to do with human management, but tried to explain to you that anybody can manage human capital. However, he taught you to always prepare answers to both perspective of a situation. In school debate, you would be given a scenario and asked to support and at the same time oppose.


Regarding the second director, I'm of the believe he tried to test you on ethics. When we say "the ends justifies the means", to the best of my understanding, it means the target, or main objective, justifies the actions you take to meet the target. E.g, you may need to lie to protect a life. Your lie could be justified by your ultimate objective which is to protect someone's life.

That's my own little understanding.

Actually his point was that only someone that studied HR can work in HR.

You're right about the other question. Even when I was answering it, my mind was telling me I had goofed on it.

tedimola:
It has happened before, wen I answered a question correctly and I was told I was totally wrong. They just wanted to test ur confidence, and ur morale (if it will dis stabilize you) and if u will be able to stand for what u know is the truth. Hope u come out successful. Cheers.

If it was a test of confidence, then i'd have been give an opportunity to defend myself.

Thanks anyway.

Keneking:
Did you get the job y/n?

I didn't.

tollyB:
Thanks Dave, Am honoured..

Happy new year to every joblander...wish us all the best of 2016...

You're welcome dear.

oluwanoni:
Human resources as to do with management of people, but it's much more than that, but comparing an engineer to a medical doctor is a No! No!, that's a specialization, The directors response is null and void.

Its just like saying marketing job means marketing products but its much more than that, I believe that's the point the director tried to drive regarding the definition of human resources.

Lastly, with all the series of test and interviews you've done and aced I believe u are great candidate, but if they don't want you, then that's their loss.

A lot of individuals who studied sciences are into management, HR &others.

I actually gave him the full definition from the recruiting, motivation and the rest but he just cut me off and went on with his rant.

Anyway, Thank you so much. Wishing you a Prosperous and Joyous New Year Ahead.

amicable09:
Dave mo mehn! Don't mind the director, I spent years in varsity studying HRM and I can categorically tell you that Human Resources Management has everything to do with managing people! Unless maybe he wanted you to convince him that you are knowledgeable about the field. Even though cleaners interact with people, they can't be said to be playing the role of HR in their organization... they vary! Customer service Officers also interact with people but they function in a different capacity. I guess he downplayed your confidence.

Maybe he also needed a definition of management to understand HRM better.

Cheer up! it's a new year, I welcome you into 2016! It's going to be better than 2015. Smile!

My person!!!

He didn't give room for any explanation, he just went on ranting.

Thanks my dear. Welcome to 2016!!

2chainz:
Don't worry Bro, I believe 2016 holds something better for you. Just know, everything that happens in life has a reason why they happen, be cheerful and hope for the best.

Thanks man.

A joyous and Prosperous New Year To You.

makky04, Stella is ok. I actually liked the work environment and all.

How did you find out about the pay?

zerray:
don't mind him,he probably quarrelled with his wife, but if you are serious about HR you have to get a certification in HR aside MGT,that will give you an added advantage or make you taken more seriously in HR field, funny enough you might still get the job be optimistic

Thanks, but that ship already sailed.

Happy New Year!!! Wishing you the best this year has to offer and may your desires and aspirations come alive.


Cc:davide470, Amicable09, TollyB.

Before 2015 ends, i'll like to get this off my mind. Always wanted to write it, but never got the push.

Here goes...

I applied for an HR assistant through a vacancy that was shared on here. Was invited for the chat, then wrote a test. After a week, I got a success mail, inviting me for a panel presentation and interview.

I prepared for it, gave the panel presentation and answered all the questions to the best of my knowledge. Let me introduce at this point that I studied political science and have a management certification. So the questions bothered on my course and it's relationship to human resources.

I was able to successfully convince the panel with the leadership experience, the skills that come with my course and my management certification. I got another success mail for the a computer skill based test and chat with directors.

The Computer test was a piece of cake. Now the directors chat is where my story centres on, after being ushered it to the first office. The director already gave me that unfriendly stance, but I smiled and greeted him anyway.

He asked two basic questions, then asked about the relationship of my course to Human resources, I was leaping for joy inside of me because I have rehearsed and prepared well for this question. As I was reeling out my answer confidently, he stopped me and said Human Resources doesn't have anything to do with management of people, that even cleaners manage people every day

I was stunned! In my head I was screaming - "What the hell is this man say?" - he went on to say he cannot employ a civil engineer to do a medical doctor's job. Every attempt to defend my position was shut down.

Going to the second office. The whole scenario kept playing in my head. The second director asked basic questions also, I had picked and gave answers confidently. Then he adjusted well on his sit and unexpectedly asked What are you thoughts on the Principle - The End Justify the means. I couldn't fashion out coherent thoughts on that question and that was the last question he asked.

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Now I look back and I don't understand something. Why will the first director say Human resources doesn't have to do with the management of people?

That's my experience guys. Thanks for reading.

odihack:
Got an offer letter yesterday... Thank God

Congratulations man!

Thank you debbie.

Wishing you a joyous and prosperous New year ahead.

Oooops:
Gist salary?? in an open forum??
Mhen!! that shit is a personal stuff na.... if I'm an employer that employee is fired already!!!
That's supposed to be confidential and not something debatable in an open forum bros.... when u get your letter, you'll get to know!!!

Lol. People will remain people.

You'd have asked this question if you were unemployed. Now if you were an employer you'll fire the employee? Just lol

Remember your humble beginnings.

tollyB:
I sure Am and I Hope you are too....
best wishes

Thanks dear.

Warm regards

Lero15:
OK. Anything that makes Amicable09 Happy. Fine.

Cc amicable09

Lero15:
Will get back to you

Oga sir please consider my request

tollyB:
Dahveydson Hello How have you been longest time.....been wanting to say hey...But I don't want to type ur moniker wrongly...
Happy holidays

Sure been a long time. Been good and bad. You?

My moniker is always giving wahala and one can't change it.

Happy holidays dear, hope you're making it worthwhile...

amicable09:
I am enjoying it, clearing my head here. And Lero isn't jealous, no fear...lol

Permission granted for daily shout outs!

Cool, do have all the you fun can.

We'll see about the daily shout outs immediately Lero gives his permission. I like my head.

amicable09:
hahahaha... Dave you are my partner in crime na, I can't remember to forget you *winks (the other way round)

Hope you dey enjoy sha? Abeg, don't abandon me like this o! Once in a week at least try to give me a shout out joor...lol

I dey try o, if Lero15 won't break my head i'll give shout out everyday, lol. Anyway hope you're enjoying PH....