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Pastor AIO:


For the skirt line, I will indulge you. But abeg let's talk about Righteousness and whether there is any striving or effort on the part of the christian towards salvation.

Or do you think that it is a formula that you utter with your mouth and straight away you are righteous regardless of whether you go on sinning or not.

Daiquiri:
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My two cents worth

Righteousness - Nike. Doing the Right thing, at Right time and still be Right with God. Impossible, hence the Righteousness of God in Christ

Recalling my earlier post, Righteousness is next to impossible if not impossible hence the Righteousness of God in Christ

No, not a formula because genuineness of the confession, genuineness of the faith, genuineness of the act etc from the onset (i.e. in the first place) matters

Regardless of whether you go on sinning or not (i.e. when one trips up) one can come boldly to the throne of Grace obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need

To cut the mustard, it is the Righteousness of God in Christ that makes one righteous.

Pastor AIO:
olboy, put it in chinese, it seems I'll have a better chance of understanding you then.

Or better still, forget it. It is not that pertinent to the thread. Unless you want to start another thread on the topic.

Pram tantrum, throwing away the toy in a fit?

Necessity is the mother of invention, I believe death was created inanticipation of sin

This is as Chinese as you will get it.

Long enough to cover your assertion that death is a product of sin but short enough to keep things interesting . . .

Just like a skirt

Pastor AIO:
I don't really understand what you are saying here, but I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.

Yes I am sure.
A product must have something that is producing it, ba?
I would say that wages were the product of work. Or should be, unless your boss wants to cheat you. What has money got to do with this discussion.
I say Sin came first. I don't know about Pre-Eden or Adam even. What do you mean there?

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. . . Ba?

Its Monday morning. Eko holds no prisoners on Mondays. Dont fall for my hand. Dont dull

Was mimicking your wages of sin is death and your conclusion that death is the product of sin

So with your line of thought, wages of labour is money but money is a form of remuneration

and not neccessarily a product of labour and death is not a product of sin

"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Gen 2:17

From the above verse, does it look like sin existed before death? Why the guarantee there.

Death was produced (i.e. a product) created for a reason or purpose

Death is a preempted product

Pastor AIO:
You will hold onto to your understanding of Salvation TILL DEATH.

Let me ask you.  Who Dies?  From the beginning was death not the product of Sin. 

If indeed you are considered Righteous by God, in spite of all your Sins, then why do you still Die?  If you die then what exactly is it that you've been saved from.  What does Salvation mean to you, cos I get the sense that you are only blowing that word like hot air from your mouth but it doesn't actually mean anything to you.

Are the Wages of Sin not Death?

Did God not promise that the Soul that Sins shall Die?  Only the Righteous shall live. So how are you going to be Righteous in God's eyes and yet Die?

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Waited for you to show your hand . . .

"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Gen 2:17

Causality Dilemma? Are you sure death is a product of Sin

But rather a product in its own right, that serves its own purpose

Is money the product of work too?

What came first? Death or Sin? Pre Eden or Adam that is.

Pastor AIO:
Does this shock you? Why?

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Considering its you and am not sure how wet your feet are or how far you pushed out the boat hmm . . . I'll withdraw that maneuver

because technically writing and in tow with Adam that is correct

Pastor AIO:
I see that the Legion still do not want to answer any questions as to what they understand by Justification, Righteousness, Salvation . . . etc.

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My two cents worth

Justification -  Just-as-if-havent-sinned  . . .

Righteousness - Nike. Doing the Right thing, at Right time and still be Right with God. Impossible, hence the Righteousness of God in Christ

Salvation - Salvaged from eternal damnation through the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus

PS: Death the product of sin?

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What is the intent of the storyteller here,

and what message is he or she trying to convey? Is it a worthwhile one?

Some questions are in order to determine the answer:

What would the driver have surmised if the preacher was not paying attention to his change and did not return the quarter?

Was the driver judging after the appearance?

How would he know if the preacher was a Pharisee in spirit,

one who gave alms, fasted, prayed, “tithed  mint, rue, and cumin,”

returned unwarranted change, but ignored the weightier matters of the Law?

What kind of Savior is Jesus Christ if the driver should stumble over an error or deliberate offense on the part of the preacher?

What chance is there for mankind if it is dependent upon the virtue of mankind?

Is the salvation of another a matter of chance and human virtue, or is it guaranteed by the finished work of Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection?

Is Jesus Christ supposed to be saving the driver, or is the preacher supposed to be saving Jesus Christ?

Has the driver never experienced anyone not professing faith in Christ returning that which did not belong to them?

Perhaps it could be argued that the driver was merely preliminarily testing the waters.

If the driver was looking for a place to worship, should not the preacher have been speaking the truth of John 4 to him?:

“Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither worship the Father in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:21-24 MKJV).

If Jesus could save us when we were yet sinners - His enemies, caring nothing for Him, indeed, hating Him - need we live in fear, anxiously grasping lampposts once we are His, lest we should offend?

Will He only have strength to carry us so far, compelling us to take responsibility for the rest of the way, or is He as He declared Himself to be, the Alpha and the Omega, the Author and Finisher of our faith?

This story is another primo sappy story, very fleshly. It is unreal and manipulative.

The bus driver’s conclusions about the preacher are not valid, and the preacher’s conclusions about the Lord and the bus driver are not valid.

Many people would give the quarter back. Catch Hitler at the right moment, and he would, too. So do you go follow him as a man of God?

The driver, or more truthfully, the storyteller, is caught by his cleverness, going by his own signs and criteria, not God’s.

Satan can be very clever and moralistic, especially if it involves and celebrates the righteousness of man.

In this respect, the driver and the preacher, creations of our storyteller, are two peas in a pod. Both are walking in their own righteousness.

This story is a promotion of false Christianity, that is, man made.

The preacher could not sell what he did not have. He did not have the Lord. What he was wrestling with was his conscience. He may have sold his conscience for a quarter, but not God’s Son. And had the preacher sold his conscience, failing the bus driver’s test, the bus driver would only have missed going to that preacher’s service. Presumably, he would not have stopped looking for a church to attend.

Imagine Jesus grasping a lamppost, so relieved He had not almost blown it! That could never happen to an omnipotent, holy Savior. So those who are Christ’s true ministers have their faith in Him, and not in their fallibility to represent Him; they know better, knowing Him. Neither do true ministers of Christ permit or indulge seekers to place their faith in them.

But that still does not ensure that the bus driver was looking for God; in fact, the driver’s criteria to discern true worth in an alleged man of God could very well say otherwise. If God were drawing him, he would not have been testing anyone in that way – God would have inspired him differently.

If a man is truly searching for God, he is not looking for a man or church. Neither will a thousand lying preachers and angels keep him away from Christ, because God is drawing him, and who or what can prevent God? Darkness compels the true seeker towards the Light.

To paraphrase the Scriptures, man’s unrighteousness commends God’s righteousness, and the Truth of God abounds through men’s lies (Romans 3:3 and following).

As for the “Watch your whatevers” at the end of this document, it is true that thoughts may lead to words and actions, actions to habits, habits to character, and we become what we choose to think, speak, and do. It is true that we serve as examples for others and should therefore be careful that we are not a cause of stumbling.

Now what shall we do? Shall we trust in our own strength, or shall we trust the Lord to deliver us because we are without strength? Is He in our hands, or are we in His? Just who is the potter, and who is the clay?

Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/sappystories/busdriver.htm

Pastor AIO:
But the Bilderberg group are just human beings like you and me. They will only live a few decades and then they too will die. They have the same motivations as you and me, they have the same organs and body parts. They too want the best for their kids, they want to live a fulfilled life etc etc.

Should we consider that these people are just as much victims as the rest of the world. They are afflicted with glutonny, fear, and an insatiable sense of fear and want. There is something else that is the source of the affliction.

The prince of this world. The Greeks understood this well.

The something else are the principalities behind the personalities

Ruling by proxy possessing executive authority or governmental rule in the world causing havoc

Aspartame Donald Rumsfeld,  Halliburton Dìck Cheney, the fluoride in your cherished toothpaste, Chemtrails in UK, Holland, Australia et al etc

By the way the Bilderberg group is membership invitation-only - soldier go, soldier come

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I wonder why the Greeks wanted to see Jesus and what they saw in Him  

Also wonder why Jesus rebuffed them 

- "Some Greeks who had come to Jerusalem for the Passover celebration

paid a visit to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee.

They said, "Sir, we want to meet Jesus."

John 12:20-21 New Living Translation (©2007)

The Bilderberg group?

The UK’s Public Order Act of 1986, Section 29E makes it unlawful for any person who plays images or sounds that stir up hatred against homosexuals.

Its the law but then "If the law supposes that, the law is an ašš — an ¡d¡ot . . . " said Mr. Bumble in Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist.

Chop knuckle. Nice one, going to play it in session coming up tonight

Enigma:
^^^ Maybe better leave it, Daiquiri.

You heavy for my hand. Noted

Deep Sight:
^ if only you know what i have to endure, you might just get it.

Any on-topic comments?

For the scalp tin box?

Enigma:
^^^ I thought it was funny too; some misunderstanding I guess. 

PS I too enjoyed the Indian summer today. 

Green with envy of 28°? When where he is, is hotter than that
Enjoy India! That really takes the biscuit. Upon all the high & mighty literary, it just shows and showed up

Deep Sight:
Yes na, that temperature is indian na. Can't say i have the same luxury.

SMH. Give it a rest

KAG:
P.S. Going out to enjoy the Indian Summer and enjoy the company of my better half. I'll try to get back on any comments as soon as time allows.

Deep Sight:
Green with envy. Enjoy India!

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Dont worry, recheck. I resent it a few minutes ago with instructions, please advise once received

Reply to the email that just dropped in so I can send it with instructions

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Dialogue

God: [Approaching Bruce] You've been doing a lot of complaining about me, Bruce.
You think you can do it better so here is your chance. When you leave this building you will be endowed with all my powers

Bruce:[Bruce backs away from God] You stay away from me! I don't know what your doing. But whatever you're doing is probably actionable!

If you were to be God for a week.

How would you cope. Where would you start or what would you start with. What would you do?

I remember Bruce Almighty when it first came out and how watching it turned into a humbling experience

Bruce Almighty is actually a 2003 film about a man who was given God's powers after complaining that God is unfair.

It starred Jim Carrey as Bruce Nolan, a down-on-his-luck TV reporter who complained that God wasn't doing His job correctly

and so in effect God offered him the chance to try being God himself for one week.

JeSoul's "When God Does Not Answer Your Prayers" prompted diverting attention to this film.

Personally I believe JeSoul's "When God Does Not Answer Your Prayers" should have being "When God Does Not Answer Your Prayer Requests"

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