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emofine - for mind sharpness and the investigative craving or desire for Truth

& OLAADEGBU - for the habitual peaceful, unpretentious & relentless relevant postings

Other nominees from:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=794521.msg9468254#msg9468254

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Jesus? in one word?

Feminist!

Re: If Jesus Was A Woman?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-816041.0.html

tidytim:
Liberal Christians hate Paul, Muslims hate Paul, everyone who defends sin hates Paul. I believe one of the reasons is that he brings the fact that homosexuality is judgment from God from the O/T to the new, in the Book of Romans. Those who defend homosexuality say that Jesus said nothing about it. True, however Jesus raised up Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles and he had plenty to say about it.

Also, most of religiosity, Christianity, Judaism or Islam or whatever, love the ceremonial legalism they practice by which they think they will attain heaven. Paul clearly explains and defends the gospel of Grace. People hate the gospel of grace because that means that they can do nothing to save themselves, and people just hate that. They love to believe that if they live good lives, are tolerant, accept everyone no matter how anti God their lifestyles, that God who is love will accept them. Bull puckey. God is love, true. But he is also holy, righteous and just. He said what he said in the Scriptures. There's only one way to get to the Father and that is through his Son Jesus.

I have to believe people hate Paul is because Paul so clearly explains and defends the Gospel of Grace. Grace is the antithesis of the religious ceremonial legalism found in Islam and Judaism and every other religion on the planet.

Thank you Lord Jesus, for the Apostle Paul!! And thank you for revealing the mystery of the church and the mystery of the rapture through him!

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I doubt everyone hates Paul

There is not anything to hate Paul for/over

emofine:
@ Daiquiri

The poster never posed the question, it was I.

I just converted the person's statement into a question because it wasn't my declaration and I wanted to hear other people's thought on the matter.

@emofine

Cerebral drama?

ogajim:
^^^

I thought the "Church" released the statement on her behalf yesterday, either way, she took her time to come up with this,

Like Herman Cain who just announced he was pulling out of the GOP primaries, Eddie Long handled this thing badly, it might be a Georgian thing considering but are from the state of Georgia,

Oh yeah, the church did but then . . .

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11013254-eddie-longs-wife-vanessa-long-moves-on-with-divorce


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfcIPl0NYk

ogajim:
We have to applaud her courage unlike some other "Pastor's wives" who live separately from their husbands either in the same house, different house/city

but don't divorce because of the title, privileges, and or cash.

https://mrmokelly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/FranlinkMoKelly.jpg

http://mrmokelly.com/2011/06/atlanta-journal-constitution-cites-the-mokelly-report-re-vanessa-long-coverage/

We have to applaud her courage?

That email message was 6 months ago, do we still have to applaud her courage?

Anyway since previously releasing a statement saying that she was cancelling her divorce petition, she's decided 3 hours ago to go ahead with it

Pastor AIO:
circumcision is in the law.  it is annulled.  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife is in the law.  it is annulled.

@Pastor AIO

Thank you for the prompt reply

Of course, dont we all know that

However  isnt "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife is in the law" and " . . . don't have to honour your neighbour's wife" dissimilar

Inadvertently confugulating. Yeah?

Anyway, what I'll be sharing is in accord with your "circumcision is in the law.  it is annulled"

and is about what brought it and/or how it came about (i.e. Abram and/or Abraham stringing God along etc)

Just making me laugh, thinking about it

Abram and/or Abraham holding God up with his various antics & how God showing him how He meant business

(i.e. by asking Abram to set himself & his household up for a kick, literally, where it hurts the most)

Faith? Work? Faith and work? Counted for righteousness? pfft smh

Pastor AIO:
It might be worth considering that when Paul was railing against works of the laws he was actually specifically referring to the ritual acts of circumcision and the dietary code. 

These were the sticking points in Paul's ministry and as he went on and on about it it is quite possible that he didn't realise that things he said against these particular aspects of the law would eventually be applied to the entire law, including the aspects of moral conduct. 

If you don't have to be circumcised then by the same argument you don't have to honour your neighbour's wife.

Joagbaje:
I understand James perspective. He made a good point. Faith is dead without work.

But the truth remains. A man is only justified by faith. Not by the works .that doesnt negate the place of the works

Pastor AIO:
This is a good example. 

I think what Paul is trying to say here is that the Circumcision ritual is not what will make you justified before God.  This argument is then later applied to the entire law.

@Pastor AIO

before I post and share on Abraham's "faith", his "work(s)" and the "Circumcision ritual"

explain or shed some light on the bolded part please (i.e.  ". . . you don't have to honour your neighbour's wife"

emofine:
@ Daiquiri

hmm well I did ponder on that statement for quite a while and weighed each word against the other.

I did initially see the difference in the terms and fairly understood what that particular poster was trying to communicate.

I also can accept the definitions you offered for each term

and I quite agree. . . "exist" appears rather static to me but "lives" renders the subject being discussed some movement.

However I actually prefer your connotations.

@emofine

Not mentioning earlier that lives and what exists may have more than one meaning was deliberate,

an idea could exist and be alive in the mind or thought but not alive on ground, if you know what I mean

The idea when now alive on the ground, doesnt necessarily means it lives or is animate

Re: God Doesn't Exist, He Lives?

The statement on the fellow poster's signature was a tongue-in-cheek and rhetorical question

asked merely for sport or an effect without expecting a reply

God The chair doesnt exist

- as in, doesnt exist physically or doesnt exist in terms of form or matter,

God it lives? 

- as in, lives in a thought or an imagination and not being actual or real?

gotizsata:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-816831.0.html
God died in the bible, see the post above

plus,  God is just an idea in your head, so if you want it to live or exist, it is up to you.

@emofine

Dont mind the stirrer . . .

Trust you're familiar with the phrase ". . . felt like a part of me died . . ."

Hmm? Kind of, a part of you died, but you didnt die/havent died? That part of you did?

emofine:
I saw this statement on a fellow poster's signature and it made me to pause and think for quite sometime.

Perhaps the way I have been evaluting God in a close minded way.

So I contrasted two statements to detect a difference in meaning:-

"God exists"

"God lives"

What do such sentences connote with each term adopted?

How important is it to differentiate between these two terms "exist" and "live". . . what is the difference?

@emofine

They mean God exists, and not as an imagination or fathom

but that, God is real and animate, as it were

Exist = Real; Live = Animate

gotizsata:
if the devil rests, god rests
if god does not rest, the devil does not rest
god needs the devil to be relevant to humans
the devil needs god to be relevant to humans

OLAADEGBU:
It is just that God is a "Gentleman" that will not force you against your will.

gotizsata:
a "gentleman" does not have a son with an underage girl
a gentleman cannot possible kill so many innocent children and animals en-mass
maybe we should redefine gentleman

toba:
what do u mean by underage?

gotizsata:
@toba

yes underage,
 
I should ask  you the same, because I am sure if Mary was 5 years old, it would have been very okay for God "took" Mary and made her pregnant.

Please he is God right?

@gotizsata

Gotizsata. My dear friend. God is omni-smart, omni-clever to fall for that . . .

This your devil's advocate performance and the shenanigans is wearing thin you know

Also the warped imagination leads to a cul-de-sac

Franklin Owino Odhiambo sat down with Jugo TV to speak and share his testimony on why he dances like David all the time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oei72F2ZEmM (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGaqhKxPgCg (Part 2)

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First these reminisced Soul Train clips before the Bro Franklin testimony's shared on Jugo TV on why he dances the way he does in church


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrJZU3oUMEE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpGfxgPEQY

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Wow! Jeffrey Daniel!!

He choreographed, worked and taught Michael Jackson dance moves


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvtdUpodfiw

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Thats a blast from the past there and he's looking good without even trying to be (i.e. same age bracket as Charlie Boy)

Jeffrey Daniel was a member of Shalamar with Howard Hewett and Jody Watley.

Legendary choreographer that had worked with Michael Jackson, LaToya Jackson, Vanessa Williams etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb4vUxhow_s

Am digging that afro! 

Yall old timers remember Don Cornelius of the Souulllllll Traiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!!! fame 

Hands up if you're one of those that used to "steal" dance moves from Soul Train

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diluminati:
what if Jesus was a woman?

@diluminati

If Jesus was a woman, this question wouldnt see the light of the day

There would not be this deliberation . . .

chicago10:
Acts 9 vs 7  and the men which journeyed with stood speechless, hearing a voice , but seeing no man.

Acts 22 vs 9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Thank u sirs/ mas

chicago10:
I'd appreciate my beloved brothers in christ with deep usnderstanding and insight educate me,

I personally felt it should be disregarded  since I do not want to grieve the holy spirit.

LagosShia:
an outright contradiction which goes to challenge the words of Paul and his truthfulness

or a contradiction that simply exposes the lies of Paul.

there is no clarification whatsoever or beating around the bush.the obvious is the truth.

@chicago10

. . . always come to the throne of grace with boldness, approach God with freedom and confidence

LagosShia, SMH 

Hearing and heard

There is no contradiction . . .

Here is an illustration:

I stood among others in the stadium hearing you talk but heard you not

The above sentence means the below

I stood among others in the stadium, though am hearing your voice, I just couldnt understand what you were saying

You hear me 

Rappers, Djays etc as a matter of fact, even use it when they say "You heard!"

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=814112.msg9661257#msg9661257 date=1322639210]^^

that is part of the deciet when Jesus call himself son of man

and some people call him son of God i tire oo.

If he was son of God how about Adam and eve?

how about Melchizedek's that has no father or mother and also has no birth and death record[/quote]^

This is no need for hullabaloo's over Enigma's et al

Let's have a look at this "convulated" verse to make it more interesting and exciting

Convulated borrowed from my dear friend Gotizsata


"God is not a man, that he should lie;

neither the son of man, that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it?

or has he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Bet thought, this is one of your "Make my day!" moment

Checking out your theology . . .

For the record, what is the title that Jesus addressed or ascribed himself?

What and/or why is the reason why He chose or used that title?

If that/those bit(s) can be got, it will be a forward step(s) in the right pathway of understanding

gotizsata:
Dear Daiquiri, 

some how you assumed I am male,

anyway,  it is confusing.

you just have to see the multitudes of denominations each which their interpretation, some times on every integral issues.

So it is very devious and contriving of you to claim that there is no confusion.

even plappville thinks so are sorely and miserably wrong about the verse in question.

would a perfect god, take so much effort to say very basic ideas in very convoluted ways, 

you seem to not only buy into this you actually want to lay your life for it.

when I look out of the window,  you see the trees, grass, and the goats mating in a distance.

when i look in the mirror, I see a product of evolution.

If it is a metaphor its crass, meaningless and idiotic. It a horrible message, told in a horrible way.

If you see someone who commits i.ncest when you look at yourself,  then you are in dire need of psychiatric help.

Matthew 18:9 is another silly verse that just goes to show my point further.

How debased of morality jesus can be.

you cannot possibly pass this as true

@gotizsata

My dear friend, brother or otherwise 

I bet you're getting a kick out of this

I'll pay you a compliment for your sense of humour though

You went OTT with the looking in the mirror scenario 

Its man that you see in the mirror that commits incêsts etc

Its man, not me, it is the son of man, that is in dire need of psychiatric help . . .

Re-iterating, what you conveniently or selectively side stepped

The captivated audience related to the story & didnt protest the action of the earthly and mortal king in the narration

They felt it to be a justified act and that the king was within his rights

Dont you see it? When the chips are down, what happens?

That, if this is how it rolls with an earthly monarch,

then it says it all, when it's the turn of the Celestial - The Eternal and Immortal King of Kings . . .

There will be just deserts

OLAADEGBU:
Genesis 6:2 is truly a "banana skin"

and the jury is still out on whether it was the angels that impregnated the daughters of men

or that these demons infested men and women to produce ungodly seed.

As for pulling the other leg, watch whose legs were being pulled in the videoclip below:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3chTCJExNQ&feature=player_embedded#!

@OLAADEGBU

I suppose there is not a chance of ice in hell of anyone's plans of "pulling" female angels tonight 

gotizsata:
@Daiquiri

Why would a perfect God confuse us with something like this, 

This is clear as can be, and it is not subject to any misinterpretation

I agree, Jesus said some nice things. The same way some poisons have a sweet taste.

Just because he made us smile once in a while,

it does not mean we ignore the racism, murder, violation, inc.est, genocides, immoral messages, bigotry, human sacrifice etc

@gotizsata

Gotizsata, my dear brother,

Confusion? I am yet to find God confusing anyone . . .

Well its kind of the look out of the window classic.

When you look out of a window. What do you see?

How about when you look into a mirror. What do you see?

The perpetrator of racism, murder, violation, inc.est, genocides, immoral messages, bigotry, human sacrifice etc. Isnt it?

Anyway, its a narrative metaphor to get the message home.

Your camp, might say, a bit of an overkill with a tinge of OTT

but shall we say, it shocked and awed the audience, just like you already are.

Its birds of the same feather like the below verse and I dont see one-eyed' all over place

"And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.

It's better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell"

If that earthly and mortal king's act, which the captived audience can relate to & didnt protest, is justified and capable of being overlooked

Then it says it all when it comes to an Eternal and Immortal King of Kings . . .

gotizsata:
@Daiquiri

I am not sure if you read the bible

I can't see why you can argue about something so obvious

1. Jesus finished the parable before he said this. What make you think there is contextual fit there? I wonder
2. Let's assume in some weird way, there is slight relation of this verse and the parable, so? Is it a good thing?

Did Jesus not say it? and what else could it possibly mean?

It will help a lot if Christian read their bible instead of wasting everyone's time.

@gotizsata

Gotizsata, you know, my dear friend, that there is more than meets the eyes

OK, if this is about cherry picking, then Jesus said a lot more appealing other things too, didnt He?

gotizsata:
then in Luke 19:27 Jesus said
But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!++

@gotizsata

You have a way with spinning scripture

Jesus was narrating . . .

The man of noble birth that went to a distant country to have himself appointed king said that in the narration and not Jesus

Enigma:
Daiquiri

No it wasn't me; but the sad news quite touched me too rather.  

@Enigma

Thanks for the prompt reply

OK then. Must have been another Enigma then

42, that's a bit too young to die and suddenly too just like that.

Wales was looking promising since he took over  

There are one or two theories on the net on why he topped himself though . . .

Pray his wife and family are strong

PS: You're doing a great work. Mind you sinful evil, permitted evil etc are at your disposal too

@Enigma

Sorry for brief derail

Was it you that left a tribute for Gary Speed?

@Post

Just as I suspected or guessed, the book (i.e. in my personal opinion) is overrated & unnecessarily hyped with a sensationalised title by author & OP

Some might argue it is a ploy and/or decoy for luring or to lasso uninformed mugus or punters

Apart from the sensationalised title. The book? The content? Well, hmm, not bad

I am not saying more that

I'll score it 5/10

@Post

Phew! The heat in the kitchen was overpowering

Fruit wine collection and now a book on fellàtio?

Have to make that buck somehow and even by whatever means necessary, it's all about the benjamins

I suppose the sequel to this now will be one on cunnînlingus

It will be unfair if its not.

PS: Not affiliated or have anything to do with CHRIST EMBASSY though

http://rccg.camp7.org/Default.aspx?pageId=28884

SMH Perfecting the art

Siena:
Perhaps beating is a bit harsh, but as for seizing and crushing their bikes/vehicles, I stand by that.

As a teenager, I lost my mom to a driver, whow drove on the wrong side of the road, and slammed into my moms car head on.

She and her passenger never stood a chance.

So I feel really strongly about anyone driving against traffic, for whatever reason.

@Siena

Sorry to hear about your loss, particularly in such circumstance and/or manner

However personal experience or biased sensibilities when not checked fuels excessives that escalates to the point of undignity like the one below

https://i39.tinypic.com/e5que8.jpg

OLAADEGBU:
What is your prove that angels are asexual?

@OLAADEGBU

Pull the other leg Olaadegbu

Mind you watch the banana skin (i.e. Genesis 6:2) Dont slip on it

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You're spot on, that those women (i.e. in Zechariah 5:9) are not angels

and Zechariah, rightly so, did not go out on a limb calling them angels or suggest they are/were angels

Also, needs to be said that your thorough examinations or studious manner is admirable

Addendum:

Important fact worth noting is that angels are not organic, as man is

Man (i.e. human beings) is characterized and distinguished as male or female according to what sêx that man has

Organs defines sêxuality. Angels are asêxual.

There are no male angels or female angels but just angels

werepeLeri:
^^^

So you compare burglary and robbery to driving against the traffic?

Hmmmm. No wonder!

You make it worst. Imagine Fashola following the police to burst a robbery gang. He will be too smart to do that.

bookface:
accept defeat and move on.

werepeLeri:
Who has pictures of Obama chasing prostitu tes from America so that these dafties can be happy

and justify Fashola wasting precious time arresting traffic offenders.

Next time, he should show up in Lastma uniform, Fools

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