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MrPRevailer:
So it's kinda hypocrisy how Athiests in real life would readily give all their possessions to highway armedrobbers/gunmen to save their lives but they are neither afraid of going to Hell nor God's judgement.

Is there a greater thing to be afraid of than God's judgement?

Armed robbers are very real, your God remains an imaginary idea.

danvon:
If you believe in a deist God shouldn't there be for all measure a deist devil?

God is n idea and the deist created theirs. Deist don't believe in the devil generally. They only believe in a non intervention creator God that create the universe.

Butterflyleo:
I hear. Can you not refute the OP with your RICH opinion of science?

I would really love to read that for once.

You don't even know basic science yet you are yapping thrash. How can someone that says the big bang is a hypothesis engage in any serious scientific talk? All what you've stated are arguments you copied from other apologist that have been debunked already.

Butterflyleo:
You are just too dumb for this thread so please go and sit down. I need to begin more threads like this that expose your unintelligence outside shouting Yahweh does not exist up and down.

I already presented my evidence. If you call them lies since all I did was use science to explain science, then it shows how ignorant you truly are.

You presented your opinion not evidence. If you have scientific proof you won't be here. You just gave your poor opinion about science. Imagine you calling the big bang a hypothesis, even a fool knows that the big bang is a theory and not a hypothesis. You don't know that but you are claiming scientific knowledge.

Butterflyleo:
Actually religion has made me more intelligent than you and able to grasp scientific stuff with ease. Something you clearly lack especially since you have made no single scientific rebuttal to any of the 3 proofs I dropped.

I am sure if this thread was about Yahweh you would be writing your usual long epistles.

Thanks for taking several seats as I adviced to the scientifically ignorant

You are wise enough not to make it about the God you believe in because you know Yahweh can not stand up to scrutiny so you hide behind this elusive and undefined God to help you propagate your delusions.

If you have any scientific proof of God, you'll not be wasting your time here on nairaland, you'll present it to the scientific community and win a Nobel prize. The fact that you are here says you have nothing but empty noise and lies as usual.

So this deluded OP has scientific proof of God's existence, and he hasn't presented it to the scientific community and won a Nobel prize for it abi? No wonder they say religion makes people mentally ill.

Martinez19:
Don't mind him. These arguments can be used by those of other religion.

The argument though totally invalid supports a deist God and not the Christian God which he believes in. Do you guys notice that Christian apologist never try to provide evidence to show that Yahweh exist? All they do is try to argue for a creator God ALONE whose existence can never be known unlike the Yahweh or Jesus God they believe in whose existence can be known or proven, assuming their claims are true because the God they believe in according to the attributes they assign to him can be tested and it should be knowable to any body that test it. Even the bible makes claims about a God that can be known and tested assuming he exist for real. The Christian apologist know that the claims of the bible are totally false so they run to hug the deist idea of a creator God that can never be shown or proven to exist in reality. William Craig takes this nonsense too far by always throwing the bible under the bus. For example he'll try to tell you that objective morality exist and it comes from God, but when you show him his God violating this objective moral principles, he'll tell you that he is not here to talk about the biblical morality, yet he wants you to believe that objective morality exist and it's from his God which is the God of the bible. These are are just so dishonest and crazy

So these are the proofs to show that Yahweh exist abi? This hot tripe also serve as proof that a dead Jewish man that lived over 2000 years ago whose stories we read about him claiming to be God and his son at the same time abi? Well done.

mmsen:
If you were in India you would think differently. Hindus are not shy in shoving their religious delusions down the throats of others.

I've lived in India for over 3 months that's why am saying that they are close to Christians and Muslims when it comes to shoving religious bullshit down people's throats.

Butterflyleo:
Lmao chai chai. Now he says I can wish him hell. Things I never even thought about nor even said. Again he wants to speak for me

So now you suddenly have nothing to prove to me yet claimed atheists WANT to PROVE God is imaginary.

You are nothing but a confused mumu on the same level as mumuhumanist.

Did I say I wanted to change your life?

I am only showing you your foolishness which you made in your comment. Live your life as you wish. After all is it my life?

So you think if your God exist you will be here speaking all these meaningless and empty long English that you are speaking abi? Well done.

darkchild64:
You might be right but the point I am trying to make is this,the atheists on question Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris as well as other atheists criticize Islam and Christianity the most because they impose their ideas more than others, and not because they are trying to prove to themselves that Yahweh and Allah don't exist which is what most Christians, there is nothing special about Yahweh and Allah,they are both fabrications,but because the belief in them contributes largely to the way our society is it becomes imperative for us to talk about them

Most vocal atheist are from the west and yhey seem to attack the religions of their region which happen to be Christianity and lately Islam because of the influx of Muslims and the love hate relationship between Christianity and Islam.

Hindus are closely like Christians and Muslims, even though I admit that Christians and Muslims are more than them when it comes to rubbing their religions in people's faces. They also like imposing their religion on people if given the chance and especially in societies where they are dominant.

hopefulLandlord:
There's something about the god delusion that irks Christians especially apologists which makes them attack the book and more often the author

Apologists think the god delusion is a poor book when looked at from the philosophical angle and that's actually true! Where these apologists get it wrong is that the book wasn't meant to be a philosophical book and claiming its poor philosophically is akin to saying Harry Potter is a poor comedy book, which is a laughable thing to say
They're criticising the book for what its not meant to be as Dawkins himself said in the preface of the book not to be writing "against sophisticated theologians," but against the average believer's conception of God as a man in the sky who gave humanity a great book of rules to follow. so when an apologist takes the book and starts lampooning it for presenting a god that's in the sky the apologist has lost the entire plot! cuz there's no sense in criticising the book for what its made clear and unambiguous. Calling the book a strawman is nonsensical too. If majority of humans believe rain moves from ground to the sky and someone writes a book criticising that idea of rain. it would make no sense to criticise the book for criticising that type of rain on the premise that rain doesn't move from ground to sky

For instance I've seen apologists criticise Dawkins for lampooning Young earth in the book and they make it sound like Young Earth creationists are few and far between meanwhile Gallup poll showed around 70% of Americans are YECs

the book is very popular and sold extremely well in the market which puts the apologists in a catch-22 as they have to criticise the book but they can't do that on the book's terms. A sensible Christian apologist philosopher is better off telling Christians that god is not a magical man in the sky that created the earth 6,000 years ago, grants your wishes, watches over you and would burn you forever for not obeying his rules ams believing in his flavour of religion amongst other misconceptions rather than attacking the book or Dawkins

The people that are actually NOT intelligent are the modern day Christian apologist and their clear dishonest tactics filled with lies and half truths. William Lane Craig who happens to be their Don I've realized over the years is a liar and a very dishonest person.

As you said the Christian apologist will never criticize the God delusion book on its merits but will like to condemn it as a book that is not philosophically sound, when it's not that at all.

asuustrike2009:
You better repent from your sinful way of blasphemy before you experience hell on earth

Keep using your delusions to threaten your self.

asuustrike2009:
Allah's fire . Leave darkness were you are forced to prayer

You are in totally darkness but so much deluded that you think you are in sone imaginary light. Hell awaits you.

asuustrike2009:
U better come from darkness and join light. Go join the winning team

Be there deluding yourself. You are in totally darkness . You'll burn in Allah's fire.

asuustrike2009:
Allah indeed! Many of kind are gnashing in the lake of fire

You will ganish in Allah's like of fire forever.

asuustrike2009:
You will give account

You'll give account to Allah and he'll throw you in his hell for not accepting him and Mohammed his last messenger.

asuustrike2009:
For every idle words you use on earth, you shall give account

According to your delusions abi?

asuustrike2009:
You are too carnal to understand the things of the spirit mind you this world is a temporary place. There is nothing in this world

You are too deluded to know what you are talking about. How did we even get to this point? There is nothing in this world and your God allegedly left heaven and came into this world to offer himself as a sacrifice abi?

There is nothing in this world yet you struggle daily to survive in the same world abi? Make sure your tread what you type and see if it makes sense before posting it.

asuustrike2009:
No. The bible say seek first his kingdom and its righteousness and every other thing will be added. There is reason why it is so. It is better to be blind and get to heaven than to be see and go to hell. There is absolutely nothing in this wicked world

hopefulLandlord:
did he upload his picture? I can't see it but even if he did, there's no proof he's the one there. Scammers are never to be trusted

Shebi 4everGod aka naijadeyhia impersonated and posted a picture of an Indian man claiming it was him until 1sharon exposed him. .

These guys are dangerous .

asuustrike2009:
He doesn't have power. That is misconception many Christians and non Christians have. The owner of the power is God. God uses his servants ( pastors) to change things on earth. Jesus doesn't enjoy his servants suffering. Whatever happens to his servants is for a possible. There is a reason for that.

What is the reason for his eye defect? If claims to raise people from the dead, heal the blind and all but he can not heal himself abi? Very telling.

asuustrike2009:
To set the records straight, Reinhard Bonke doesn't have power.

He claims he does. But even if he doesn't, the Jesus that has it enjoys sering him suffering with his eye defect abi?

asuustrike2009:
Jesus doesn't but he has given man the power to change things

Reinhard Bonke claims to have that power but he can not use it to help himself. Instead he relies on corrective lenses to aid his poor eyes sight . Charity begins at home they say. He should help himself first before helping others.

winner01:
I'm not here to challenge anyone's belief but to discuss Christianity with Christians, however when I saw that atheists derail almost every christian thread, I took it upon myself to expose some of the irrationality of atheism and its really been effective. For instance, I don't think any atheist on nairaland will ever claim that "religion has been the major cause of deaths in history". they know better.

Must you always tell lies? You've challenged the beliefs of muslims here, that was actually what you were mostly onto before you decided to engage the atheist. What about atheism have you exposed and how effective has been your activity? How many atheist have you converted to your religion? How many atheisthere on nairaland have ever claimed that religion has been the major cause of deaths in history? You are just beating a straw man which is something you guys do always.

I have Muslims as family members and why would I dwell on this section just to mock muslims, I can engage with a tensed spat with a Muslim but its simply about 2 theists searching for truth on the supernatural.
What the hell is your mission here? To mock daily and fervently the same God you claim not to believe in?

Get a life.

Truth to which supernatural? And how many muslims have you shown this truth? How many muslims have shown christians here the truth? You guys just condemn the other religion and try to assert the truth claims of your religion while telling the opposing religion how false and even absurd their beliefs are. Before the atheist came here that was what the religion section was all about. It became so bad that an Islamic section had to be formed because christains kept mocking and insulting Islam and some crazy Muslims threatened the owner of nairaland that he had to create an Islamic section that was very strickly moderated.

You guys should NOT cry when a taste of your own medicine is giving to you. I mock Christians and Muslims and their ridiculous religious beliefs. That is what I come here to do. If you don't like it then tell your God to close down my account. At least some of your deluded christians friends like Felixmoron have openly told your God to kill me because am mocking him. You can also join them, since you obviously can not do anything about me mocking your religious beliefs. As for havinga life. I do have a life that am enjoying very well.

Can you give me 10 instances of me mocking other beliefs and I'll easily give you 100 instances you mocking other peoples beliefs. You're free to give me instances of me mocking atheism if you think atheism is a belief .

I can engage with a Muslim on a religion section and of course it can get illogical, I do this with my cousins a lot. Once again, its between two theists seeking for answers on the supernatural?
What is an atheist looking for on a religion section day and night?

You last 100 posts have majorly been an attack on one Christian or the other and you think you're not sick in the head

I can do freely what ever I want to do with my time. Mocking things that are obviously ridiculous and illogical is what I do. You just said that when you engage muslims it gets illogical but then you still do it. Why engage in something you have confessed gets illogical? Your arguments and theirs is illogical and you shouldn't be suprised when people call you out on it. It's that simple. Calling out things that are illogical doesn't mean am sick in the head. It simply means am calling out things that I find absurd.

I really doubt that you're at peact with yourself. You seem like you're still feeling the shackles of your "indoctrination".

If I believe in imaginations, abeg shey na your imagination? What's really is your problem?

You really need some peace and calm in that mind of yours.
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You've been indoctrinated to believe that anybody that questions your belief is not at peace with himself that is why you are spewing this nonsense. Some Muslims for example have been indoctrinated to accept and kill anybody that questions or mocks their beliefs. Nothing new there. You are just displaying the innermost workings of your indoctrination at its best.

Oga, Crying is True...Sexual Urge is True...Hunger is true...These are true, natural and real life occurrences and just like religion, you can't take it away from humanity.
As regards religion, people can be guided on the right path. This is why you will find me, a religious person, in a religious section.
I still don't know why an atheist will spend all his days, on a religion section, mocking religious people. You need to open your eyes and see what you're doing.

How is crying true? How is sexual urge true? True as compared to what? What about human imaginations that gave birth to religion? How are they true? What is the right path? The religion that you were indoctrinated with since childhood? Why not the other religions that you weren't indoctrinated with? What evidence have you provided that is objective to show that your religion is true and others are false? What can your God do that other Gods can not do? How have you demonstrated that to members of other religions here? What objective truth have you present to the muslims and how many have you converted here on nairaland? As for me mocking religion, it's obvious that you don't like it. Report me to your God already, and tell him to block.my account, some have told him to kill me. You can join them if you like.

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If the atheists mind is free, why use the same damn arguments which has been severally parroted by atheist high priests?
If this what they told you about God?
Don't worry, majority of the world's population will continue to have commonsense.
Commonsense tells majority of humans on earth that if a 5mp Samsung camera has a creator, then the 574mp human eye must definitely have a Creator.

Such humans can now build on commonsense to examine claims and existential relevancies of individual religion in order to reach for the truth. This is why majority will continue to be religious.

The universe is not a human society and I see no reason why it should act as one. Humans always attribute causes to things, it's a natural instinct but it is not true. That has been demonstrated to ne true many many times. And that is part of the reasons why humans created the God idea, to give or serve as explanations to things. It is a thing human beings do. But it has nothing to do with reality because humans are yet to fully grasp and understand the natural world around them.

So you see, you'll be angry for a long time

You say humans have used their imaginations to invent god but give no proof. When you make positive statements, you must give proof for such statements else you're just handwaving.

Religion is natural to humanity, atheism is alien to humanity. In the search for the true God, humanity will continue to be religious.

You'll really be angry for a long, long time.

No God has been shown to exist on its own without human input. No God has been shown to exist on its own without human writings, human cultural and societal acceptance. If you know any God that exist on its own without human input then point to that God and show how it exist on its own without human input.

All Gods are man made that is why there are different Gods and different religions. Gods are human ideas. Humanshave to sit down create the idea, invent the stories to back up the idea and also spread the idea. It is true with all religions.

So far humans have created thousands of Gods throughout history, most are even dead because people do not believe in them anymore. You don't know anything about the Gods your ancestors worshipped 1500 years ago, you can't tell me it's name or anything about it, but they had their own Gods that is totally different from the one you believe in today.

asuustrike2009:
That is because he is not the healer but Jesus.

So Jesus loves seeing his son with deformity abi?

Ranchhoddas:
Perhaps treating personal eye problems isn't part of his skill set?

Why do you assume that a person who is able to heal others should be able to heal himself?

Why should you be telling people you have the ability to solve their medical issues when you can't solve yours?

If his God fails to answer his prayers, why should he answer the prayers of others?

winner01:
I have the right to come on a religion section and share my belief. What have you come here to do? Certainly not to spread atheism but to ridicule and mock Christians. It shows you are really struggling to find peace with the new you, seeing the way you do this devoutely.[

I have the right to come to the religion section and challenge your beliefs the way you do to others. I knew when all you do here is mock the muslims and let them know that your religion is superior to theirs.

You don't only share your beliefs you mock that of others and condemn them. Cry not when a taste of yir own medicine is given to you.

I am very much at peace with myself more than you are with yourself in fact. You believe and worship your imaginationsand the imaginations others have set out for you. The thing is you believe that those that do not accept your delusions are not at oece because they keep selling you the lies that only those that subcribe to your bubble of delusion are at peace with themselves.

Men have invented many God ideas because belief in God or the supernatural is innate, its biological. This might be enough proof to the unbiased that reality is not all there is. One way to try to know what version of the supernatural is factual is to first admit that machines humans can never self assemble and therefore must require a maker. Then you can continue to examine certain claims and evidences. The only thing you do is to mock and ridicule anything remotely christian. I think you need a therapist or something, you sound very hurt.

Here is the reason why you can never separate a belief in God or the supernatural from humanity:

Religion is a part of the human nature
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386533/Belief-religion-simply-universal-human-nature.html
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/religious-belief-is-human-nature-huge-new-study-claims/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8510711/Belief-in-God-is-part-of-human-nature-Oxford-study.html


Atheism is alien to humanity bro, no amount of anger or vituperation or vain philosophy or intellectual gymnastics or pseudoscience will change that.

Because something is natural to man doesn't make it true. Crying is natural, so is sexual urge, response to stimuli and hunger for example, all these things are natural to man.

Human imaginations is natural and a part of our nature and it is this imaginations that gave birth to all religions and Gods. Human beings had to invent God's for various reasons because the God hypothesis helped them in a variety of ways. The God hypothesis has been used to serve as an explanation to them, it has been used to ally their fears, used to make them obey and conform to society codes of conduct, used to give them a sense of identity and cohesion, used by the elites to consolidate power etc.

Because humans have used their imaginations to invent God for various reasons doesn't mean it's true, even if the ideas and imaginations are natural to men.

winner01:
You've been saying this since 2016...I'm not here to debate the existence of God to you or anyone. There are obvious reasons atheism has gained very low traction throughout all history of humanity.

That's all you do here. A simple look at your post says all you do here is promote your God and tey to convince others that do not believe in his existence that he exist. You always try to explain his positions and even try to explain why he does certain things or let's somethings happen. You tell people that he loves them and other enticing things( you tey to toast people for your God) . You do that and many more. That's all you do here.

There is a reason why men have invented many different God ideas(your own God inclusive ) over the years and there are many reasons why these man made and invented God ideas have gained traction amongst many different groups and cultures over time.

CuteMadridista:
Is OP wrong about MFM's tactics? if you answer yes to that then set OP aright rather than quoting irrelevant verses

She quickly invoked the imaginary enemy and will soon decide to take him up in an imaginary battle.

OP has failed totally in his failed attempts to prove that his God exist.

Winner01, if your God exist in reality you won't have to write meaningless, hopeless and unconvincing epistles on its behalf or in other to castigate atheists and atheism. He'll simply do that himself. The fact that you spend time defending, promoting and speaking on behalf of an alleged all mighty God that exists, can do all things and WANTS everybody to know about his existence (including atheist and other un-believers that belong to other religions or even other sects ) and engage him in a personal relationship shows that you are worshipping nothing but your own made up imaginations. That is the fact of the matter.

NO God that truly exist as you advartise will depend on you to make any case on its behalf. Only the God that exist inside your head and delusions will do that.

^^^

Another one that engages in imaginary wars and battles.