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rekinomtla:
I'm not certain since I could just been dreaming that I'm a human being that was born on earth. Who knows maybe I'm just a brain in a vat. Hence I'm not absolutely certain that humans or lions actually exist. I'm pretty sure that lions don't give birth to humans, almost certain but not absolute which according to you means its just an opinion of mine, an empty hypothesis.

I don't care what you think or feel. It is not possible for lions to give birth to human beings. It's not an opinion but a statement of fact. Lions being unable to give birth to humans is an absolute fact. It is impossible for then to do that.

Yet you fail to prove our claim with irrefutable evidence. You just stating dead people don't come back to life based on your experience. How do you know all dead people that ever existed remained dead and that not one came back to life. Have you observed all dead bodies with a camera or something?

Just like it is impossible for a lion to give birth to a human being, it is also impossible for people that have been dead and buried for many days to wake up and come out of their graves. Same way that it is impossible for a man to live inside a fish for 3 days. It's simply impossible.

This fool is still here displaying his mumu credentials for all to see.

MuttleyLaff:
Put aside awhile "according to the person that wrote Exodus"
and let me again, put forward to you, these two questions, you steering clear of
1/ Do you accept Moses, at all, wrote?
2/ Do you accept that others, apart from the "according to the person that wrote Exodus", referred specifically, to what Moses wrote?

Moses according to the writer of Exodus wrote down things. That I accept. There are no "others" that said Moses wrote down anything that I am aware of.

Psoul:
...and to you, the trash u said up here is evidence of ur good life.
Bros, come, let me advise as somebody I love.
Pls go and get a life and stop fighting Christ if u want to live and have a good life.

So Oyedepo the snake oil sales man is Christ abI? Clap for yourself.

rekinomtla:
From my experience but I don't know that for certain. I could be dreaming right now, maybe I'm just a brain in a vat. And since I'm not absolutely certain it's just my opinion and an empty hypothesis. Right?

So there's a possibility that lions give birth to human beings, since you said you aren't sure.

By definition? State which dictionary you using you can't just state "by definition" when you not even defining your terms and demonstrating how it follows from definition.

Atheists often criticize christians for claiming God is eternal by definition. Look now how an atheist is clinging to his own definition as his absolute proof.



Resurrect
verb
(transitive) To raise from the dead, to bring life back to.
To re-use.
(transitive) To bring to view or attention.

Frictional
adjective
Invented, as opposed to real.
Romeo and Juliet are fictional characters.
The janitor's account of the crime turned out to be entirely fictional.

Seems like you pulling this "by definition" out your ass. You literally lying by making up your own definitions.

Dead people waking up from theit graves many days after they have been buried and roaming round the city and seen by many is an invented tale. It doesn't happen in reality. Because in reality dead people that have been buried remain dead. Unless if we are dealing with a different definition of death .

Psoul:
You that is not supporting any, how has ur life bn?
Abeg shift...Antichrist

My life has been good, at least I don't make a living by lying to people are receiving money for it.

MuttleyLaff:
Why are you shunning answering those two question?
Answer them now, so we can then after, if you still like,
talk about what Moses wrote, talk about books attributed to him and why the books were attributed to him

According to the person that wrote Exodus, Moses was told to write down an event that happened to the Amalek as a reminder and recite it to Joshua. Later he wrote down some things God told him to write down.

rekinomtla:
How do you know that for certain? How do you know God didn't raise anyone from the dead? How do you know for certain that every dead body remained or remains dead? Stop making assertions without proof.

How do you know that you I was not given birth to by a lion? Where is the evidence that I was not given birth to by a lion? How do you know for certain that some human beings are given birth to by lions?

Where did I say that? Must you now start taking taking down strawmans. I said prove your claims that no dead person has ever come back to life and stop just asserting it as if you infallible and omniscient

By default and by definition, when human beings die they don't come back to life many days later walking around the streets, unless if your definition of death is something else. They only come back to life many days later in fictional stories just as a human being survived inside a fish for 3 days. This things only happen in fictional narratives.

Which dictionary gives you your definitions?

You can Google it.

MuttleyLaff:
First things first
1/ Do you accept He, at all, wrote?
2/ Do you accept that others, referred specifically, to what Moses wrote?

Moses wrote what? Wrote any of the books attributed to him? Or what?

rekinomtla:
More lying. By definition "resurrection" merely means restoring a dead body back to life. Your now making up your own definitions as you cannot provide absolute proof for your claims. But I understand, atheists usually redefine terms.

Dead bodies coming back to life many days after they have been buried falls under fictional narrative. You want me to provide evidence that fictional narratives are not fictional narratives?

I want you to provide irrefutable proof of your claims. Not lie and make up definitions to back them

You want me to provide irrefutable proof that a fictional tale is not a fictional tale? By definition these stories are fictional.

MuttleyLaff:
So you accept that, Moses, after all is said and done, did write, even if for the sake of this exchange, it is somewhat.

Moses wrote what? What did he write?

rekinomtla:
Stop lying. I'm asking you to prove that they fictional instead of merely just stating it.

By definition. Stories where people resurrect from the dead after dying for years are fictional. Stories where virgins give birth are fictional, stories where a human being can live inside a dish for 3 days are fictional. Stories where the stars fight along side humans are fictional. They are fictional just by definition.

Mohammed flew on the back of a horse from Mecca to Jerusalem by definition and default is a fictional narrative.

Again no irrefutable proof. Just repeatng your opinions.

You want me to prove that a fictional narrative isn't one?

MuttleyLaff:
I am going to lean forward and say this.
At the least, according to Exodus 17:14 and Exodus 24:4, Moses wrote.
For crying out loud, he wrote, on scroll(s)
What part in that is difficult, to understand?

Who do you think is the author of the book, Ezra, the priest, was reading from?

Moses wrote what? Stories he was told to later recite to Joshua? The writer of the book of Exodus narrated a story where he claimed Moses wrote down somethings. My point is that Moses did NOT write the book of Exodus. He did NOTbwrite down the book of Genesis. He never claimed authorship and there is more than enough evidence to show that he wrote none of the books that tradition ascribe to him.

Demogorgon:
He's a lost sheep. Leave him.

So Moses being addressed in the 3rd person by the writer of Exodus means Moses wrote the book abi? Well done.

MuttleyLaff:
If you own up to the red emboldened, then mission accomplished

If you are lost and need clarification just say it. My point to him was that Moses did not write any book inside the bible. Even the part you alluded to was not written by Moses, Moses was addressed as a 3rd person meaning the writer was narrating a story about Moses. Bottom line is that Moses did NOT write any of the 5 books attributed to his name( there are clear evidence from scholarship that show the books have many author) , even the boOK of Genesis was written by many different authors( scholars have provided many evidence to show for that). Moses did not claim authorship any where and he was addressed in the 3rd person narrative throughout meaning it was someone that wrote the story about him. Most of the events predated him by hundreds of years and others after he died. He wrote no book and never claimed to have written any.

Demogorgon:
You want to know? Go make researchs. I'm not gonna spoon-feed you with that. Last Last it's left for you to believe whatever you want to. Peace.

I've done my research and it revealed to me that Moses did not write any of the 5 books attributed to him. Where is your evidence to show that he wrote down any of the books? Where did he claim authorship of any of the books?

MuttleyLaff:
Then the LORD said to Moses,
"Write this on a scroll as a reminder and recite it to Joshua,
because I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.
- Exodus 17:14

And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning,
and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
- Exodus 24:4

What is this nonsense? I said show me where Moses claimed authorship of any book in the bible and you are throwing passages that Moses was addressed in the 3rd person? What am I to do with this nonsense? Moses was addressed in the 3rd person which shows he didn't even write it. If Moses wrote it it will be as " I wrote all the words of the Lord" or " The Lord said to me write on a scroll and recite to Joshua" these are just passages that show where the writer of the book of Exodus was narrating where Moses wrote down stuffs.

What I want you to do is show me where Moses claimed authorship of any of the books attributed to his name. Where did Moses claim authorship of the book of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers etc? Where did he claim to have written any of the books? Show me from the Bible where he claimed authorship not this nonsense where someone is addressing Moses in the 3rd narrative and saying that God told him to write things down and recite to Joshua.

Demogorgon:
Listen, when it comes to God, my brain is limited. That is where the Holy Spirit comes in. LOL but i don't care. Saying Moses did not write any book in the Bible shows how ignorant you are.

Cure my ignorance and show me where Moses claimed authorship of any book in the bible.

Demogorgon:
You my friend, what you need is the Holy Spirit. It will reveal the deepest things of God. Things beyond logical reasoning and human understanding. Sounds foolish eh? Yes. But to the carnal. Everything Moses wrote down wasn't just a fluke. It was influenced by the Holy Spirit

You've not telling me anything. You are just telling me what you've been programmed to say like a robot. You aren't reasoning at all because if you are using your brain you'll realize that you've allowed others to reason and think for you.

Moses fid not write anything inside the bible. Where is your evidence to show that Moses wrote down anything inside the bible? Just show me from the Bible were Mosea claimed to have written down the book of Genesis or Exodus for example. Show me!

rekinomtla:
I hope you know what absolute proof is? As you not providing me with it. All I'm getting is assertions and assumptions (God doesn’t exist, miracles don't happen etc)without irrefutable proof. You just stating your opinions here.

You are giving me fictional stories as evidence for God and am telling you that what you are giving me is fiction. Your stores are fictional. If not in fictional stories tell me where human beings that are dead for many years wake up and start roaming the streets, if not in fictional stories where else can a human being survive inside a fish for 3 days, if not in fictional stories where does a virgin lady get pregnant? The babies of your story is fiction and it remains so until you show me that it is not with evidence.

Demogorgon:
So God's word is an insult to your intelligence? Lool. Which intelligence? You mere human. Your "human" intelligence cannot and will never understand the ways of God. Your intelligence is foolishness in his sight.

When did any God appear to you and tell you that the biblical stories are his word?

You are deluded to think that ancient Jewish mythological tales that you were indoctrinated with are the words of some imaginary God. How can you be wish when your foolishness has allowed the ancient and unknown writers of the biblical mythology to reason and think for you?

Say no to stories that insult your intelligence.

Psoul:
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyse, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn-and I would heal them." (John 20:40)

You will read but will not understand. The above Scripture describes ur situation. Seek your Lord when there is still time.

Keep using mythological writings to support a snake oil salesman.

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We need about 20-30 trucks with a capacity of 30tones per truck, to carry granite from a quarry at Abeokuta to mile 2 in Lagos, payment is on delivery (60k-70k) , lifting from the quarry will be twice a day (morning and night), but which ever driver that wishes to go more can do so. The project duration is 3 months. Anybody interested should drop his contact details and he or she will be contacted immediately. Only serious people should do their contacts pls. No time for time wasters.

paxonel:
these things are past, infact they are not part of christianity.

Remember, I said there is time for everything.
That time was the time of old, may be you should ask people practicing Judaism why did God allowed these.
Not Christians like me.

Because, first of all, the christian bible made me to understand that the law was not from God himself but it was from Moses

John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now MOSES IN THE LAW COMMANDED US (the Jews, not even Christians) that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Do you see that the law was from Moses and not from God himself ?(what was known as one of the traditional mosaic law of the jews)

Secondly, These kinda laws have been placed optional in christianity.
Meaning, if Christians like the laws they should obey them, if they don't like them they should reject the laws.

And that is what I'm doing today. I am rejecting useless laws.
Hence, it's not everything called the word of God in the bible i should follow. To me, some of them are not God's word but words from mere humans like Moses.

Jesus Christ himself did not keep such stupid laws why then should i?

John8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Do you see that now?

According to the OT God told Moses to tell the people. Jesus himself berated the people for refusing to stone to death their disobedient children.

He also told them he did NOT come to abolish the law of the prophets.

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paxonel:
ok,
Quote the bible to show that it was from God let's see

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

CAPSLOCKED pls come and carry this your man abeg.

paxonel:
ok,let's be practical here!

You mentioned stoning adulterers, that was never instruction from God. I told you it was the Jewish tradition.

There are Other tribes during that era never stoned their adulterers.

So, I cannot begin to stone adulterers in my days simply because i saw people doing that in the bible.

That's what I'm saying

You are a very dishonest person. The instruction to stone adulterers and disobedient children to death was given by God himself in the bible. Unless if you are tacitly admitting that the God of the bible is a cray savage and you won't ever follow what he's saying.

rekinomtla:
How do you know for certain they all fictional? You just making empty assumptions without proof.

Just by definition. Hope you know what fiction is? Fiction are literature stories that describes imaginary events and people.

The biblical stories that my family subscribes to is filled with imaginary events like a man living inside a fish for 3 days, dead people getting out of their graves and walking round the city, virgin birth, sun standing still, people living for 900 years and above, stars in the sky fighting along side human beings, flood that covered the whole earth, people surviving being thrown inside a furnace. Etc.

rekinomtla:
You weren't there 2000 years how can you be absolutely certain it's fiction? That just your opinion, there's no irrefutable proof that it's fiction.

I don't need to be there 2000 years ago to know that humans have been writing fiction for thousands of years. There have been over 10, 000 Gods of fiction that humans have invented and written stories about, the Jesus story just happens to be one out of the 10, 000. Nothing special about it. It is all part of the fictional stories made up by humans. They've invented and written different stories about 10, 000 of such Gods throught their history.