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JackBizzle:
are you okay?

The new testament quote says that circumcision is not important.

You are now asking why he disobeys it. Do you know if he or his sons are circumcised?


Nonsense. Lying tithe hustler

Felixmoron and his serious comprehension problems. A person quoted a verse that clearly says circumcision is not important and he is asking the person why he disobeys the injunction. How can you disobey an injunction that is said to be unimportant? Felixomoron.

butterflyl1on:
I don hear.. Keep arguing with yourself

Pewresearch just slammed your entire claim that Israel is deeply non religious. You can argue with pew research all night if you like. Facts don't lie

Pew research says that the largest group in Israel according to its categorization is the Hiloni which is the non religious group at 40% followed by the Masroti (traditional Jews) that come a distant second at 23%.

The research shows that you are a liar.

DP

butterflyl1on:
Also pew research supports my already given website based on Israel and religion. Pew research and JCPA are calling you a liar

Israel is deeply religious.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

Its very clear from PEW research that you are lying.

Israel is NOT deeply religious. The majority group from the PEW research is the Hiloni which is 40% of the population. By far the largest group compared to the rest

What is the Hiloni? From Wikipedia :

"Hiloni (Hebrew: חִלּוֹנִי‎), plural hilonim (Hebrew: חִלּוֹנִים‎), derived from the Hebrew word hulin, meaning "secular" or "mundane,"is the term used in Israel for non-religious Jews, some of whom identify with Jewish secularism and secular Jewish culture.[1]"

So clearly from the PEW research the largest group is the Hiloni (Non religious).

The PEW research shows you are a liar.

butterflyl1on:
You seem confused. The thread talks about the bible not being a fairytale and you claim it is and I showed you a chronological history of Israel via the website and in addition a poll about religion in Israel and you say chronology is not a reason to establish credibility?

I laugh in kindergarten

How have you shown that the bible is not a fairy tale? By providing a Jewish website that shows the so called time line of the Jewish nation? How does this disprove the fairy tale that is the Noah's global flood that is allaged to have wiped out all land animals and humans about 4500 years ago except the family of Noah?

How does that show that the tower of babel and it's claim of laguages isn't a fairly tale? What about the appearance of the rainbow for example? What are you saying? So because a time line by Jews mention some biblical characters mean it must be true?

The Kaaba is still there standing in Saudi Arabia according to the Muslim time line it was built by prophet Abraham. Shold we then accept it because it appears in history? Your. Logic ehn? No be small.

As for the research the newspaper only published the results and not the methodology used. Chronology applies to the poll and nothing else Mr spinner m

butterflyl1on:
I already told you chronological detail. Show me those from Gallup which show chronological detail.

The news paper only announced the results. It didn't include the methodology used by gallop. Chronology is not a reason to establish credibility of one over the other. I thought you had credible reasons to present.

butterflyl1on:
So you claim as always.

JCPA stands for Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.



The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs is a leading independent research institute specializing in public diplomacy and foreign policy. Founded in 1976, the Center has produced hundreds of studies and initiatives by leading experts on a wide range of strategic topics.

This is a list of their experts

http://jcpa.org/the-jerusalem-center-experts/

Be sure to read on each one and then come back and say my reason isn't a reason as usual

From Wikipedia :

"Gallup, Inc. is an American research-based, global performance-management consulting company. Founded by George Gallup in 1935, the company became known for its public opinion polls conducted worldwide. It provides research and strategic consulting to large organizations in many countries, focusing on "analytics and advice to help leaders and organizations solve their most pressing problems".

Gallop is a leading reputable polling institution with global recognition. I am not asking you for recognition but for the criteria used to determine the credibility of one over the other.

butterflyl1on:
It's chronologically detailed and yours isn't.

That's not a convincing reason or a reason at all. Haaretz referenced a poll that was that was done by WIN/Gallup which are both reputable polling organizations.

That their raw data wasn't published but only the results presented doesn't make the one you posted more true. You should provide more credible reasons why you feel the one from JCPA is more credible instead of the reason you gave. That is not a reason at all.

Scholar8200:
That's your opinion. Besides, was that factual? Do you know those found at UN assembly? I didnt say National assembly.

Human beings are found at the UN. After all it is the same UN that Collin Powell went and delivered a totally bogus and made up charges against Iraq during the lead up to the war. His presentation was so convincing that it changed some minds but it ended up to be all lies.

Anybody can quote lies anywhere. Quoting the bible in the UN doesn't mean that the Over 7 billion people alive today are decendants of Noah and his family after some mythical global flood that allegedly happened about 4500 years ago.

butterflyl1on:
Here is a report that is more accurate and cancels out yours


http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/howrelisr.htm

What criteria did you use to establish that it is more accurate and cancels the one stated by Haaretz?

Scholar8200:
We are speaking here from a historical point of view. Meanwhile, a sample is not always a perfect representative of the universal set. A good example would be America prior to the last elections. Besides, why then would PM Benjamin, quote Amos' prophecy in a UN assembly?

I've actually been to Israel about 8 years ago and my trip there is also part of the reason I am an atheist today but that is a discussion for another day . The people there are not religious. Go there interact with them and you'll see it for yourself.

Their PM is a politician and he'll do and say anything to appeal to the emotions of people he knows will take his speech seriously especially when a large part of the world revere the bible and take it to be true.

The Israeli PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the bible is NO different from the Indian PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the Verdes.

hopefulLandlord:
this made me laugh

Scholar8200:
academic powerhouse and yet his people are still expecting the Messiah? Academic powerhouse yet the same people still respect the Torah (authored by Moses of which Exodus is the second? You see, one man may speak for himself but that's just how far they can go.

How many of the people are still expecting the messiah?

Hope you know that Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.

This is from one of the leading news papers in Israel.


"Israel Among the Least Religious Countries in the World
Only 30% of Israelis say they are religious, survey finds"

https://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.651616?v=150EF83CD4A46B2F18DD7E0CB6522268

Majority of the people living in Israel today do not believe in all the biblical hogwash.

butterflyl1on:
Everyone knows? Lmao

Answer the question

Answer Yes or no, "20 years from now, I will be in Canada." Is this a futuristic statement?

Shut up! Saying that the world will end in the future is very different from saying that the world will end in 20 years time.

NPComplete:
Even many Jews in Israel believe most of their stories are allegories. Only the conservative politicians hold on to fundamentalist interpretation of the Torah to whip up sentiments and rally national pride. And the Orthodox Jews who just really believe. Most of the archaelogical debunking of the story of Moses and exodus were undertaking by Israeli academics and universities.

But some backwater Nigerians wants us to believe the story 100%.

The world renowned archeologist and academic power house called Prof Israel Finkelstein who is Jewish having conducted so many research and finds concluded that the Exodus is non historical, but some obscured Nigerian that doesn't even know how Egypt looks like what's us to believe because it was written in some ancient book.

butterflyl1on:
Hahahahahahahaha you don cast yourself.

Claiming IN 20 YEARS time is not a FUTURE projection from the present and cannot mean same as IN THE FUTURE was extremely laughable and shows you simply argue ignorantly most times

Shut up Mr spinner everybody knows that 20 years ahead is a future projection but it is NOT the same as saying something will happen in the future.

That's why I said saying that the world will cease to exist in the future is NOT the same as saying the world will cease to exist in 20 years.
One is time specific the other is not and that makes them different.

Now go ahead and make your useless commentaries.

hopefulLandlord:
lol, many Christians in developed countries have seen how stupidly illogical and false the Adam and Eve story is that they now say its "Allegorical" and have accepted evolution to be true; even Kingebukablog has joined that gang because the foolishness of the Bible's literal interpretation is very obvious to every thinking person

Everything is now an allegory to most christians in the west.

Creation narrative in the bible allegory
Adam and Eve allegory
Tower of babel allegory
Noah' s flood allegory
Conquest of Canaan allegory

Everything is now becoming an allegory.

butterflyl1on:
The speed with which you responded to my comments earlier showed you were quick and in a hurry but suddenly at that question from scholar8200 you noticeably went quiet and even when I reminded you of your skipping the question which is uncustomary of you, you said you would answer at your digression discretion which is also unlike you.

So can you answer it now that I have your attention?

I don't need your attention. Next pls.

NPComplete:
Very stupid logic they have.

Rome believed their city was founded by 2 brothers, one of them called Romulus, and both of them were raised by wolves. Because Rome was an empire and they believed in that story so it must be true. How can one not know his own history?

Just see the kind of stupid arguments these blockheads come up with.

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And they are spewing it with confidence oo.

butterflyl1on:
It's discretion and not digression

Now you are no longer in a hurry to answer as you have been all along?

Thanks for the correction. I told you I was in a hurry to answer anything when and where?

butterflyl1on:
Dalam0n why are you skipping the question which scholar8200 asked you?

Shut up! I will answer at my own discretion.

hopefulLandlord:
Too many Christians like to pretend that the bible must either be completely true or completely false, so some historically accurate place names, people and items is enough to justify everything.

They conveniently ignore the genre that the bible fits into perfectly that sits between the two: historical fiction.

Spiderman is set in New York, which is a real place, and the comics often get details of the place right, that doesn't mean Spiderman is real, it just means the writers and artists have been to New York.

Forget them abeg. Just a few years the ago the ancient city named Troy which was believed to be a fictional city was discovered by a group archeologists. Going by that we are then to believe that all the Greek Gods mentioned in stories about Troy are true and real. Their logic ehn? It's very tiring sometimes.

Scholar8200:
Emm, pls let this begin on another thread, thank you. Meanwhile, no matter how huge and imposing the oak tree becomes, like it or not, it began as a seed. (was tempted to refer to science but that will derail the thread.)

Just tell me. Is the claim that all the over 7 billion humans living on earth decendants of Noah and his family from about 4200 year ago a fairy tale or reality?

Scholar8200:
That is why there are genealogical trees here and there in the Bible. Kindly reference any genealogical trees in history for the people you just mentioned and I will gladly read 'em up. I believe God allowed those long list of names showing there was nothing mythical about the characters therein.

So what if there are geological trees in the bible? Do you know the people? Who are their decendants that are alive today? The one that traces your ancestry is written in which part of the bible?

So because a book list people that means they aren't mythical? Na wah ooo.

Scholar8200:
Indeed, the other time the PM of Israel was heard quoting a prophecy of Amos at the UN assembly and an unknown NL here calls that fairytale!

So all the over 7 billion people living on earth came down from Noah and his family about 4500 years ago after the flood that wiped off the whole earth abi?

butterflyl1on:
Keep on exhibiting your foolishness and trying to disprove that the word IN 20 YEARS time is not a FUTURE projection from the present.

I leave you to keep trying to convince yourself that you are right.

Shut up Mr spinner. The world will end in 20 years is NOT the same as the world will end in the future.

butterflyl1on:
Very heavy implication there. How can a fairytale be a nations history? Can a nation not know it's own origins even when it is passed down from generation to generation?

Just like we have the history uthman Dan fodio who founded the Sokoto Caliphate and others like him who make up the historical content of Nigeria.

Really? How can fairy tale not be a Nations history?

The History of Bayajidda the person we were told founded the Hausa language in Daura is purely mythical. What about Oduduwa the founder of the Yoruba nation?

So because something is passed from generation to generation means it's not a fairy tale? Na wah ooo.

Even Jews that are Rabbis are saying that many of the stories in the bible and non historical yet an obscured Nigerian that doesn't even know what come is in Hebrew is trying to yap nonsense. Na wah ooo.

butterflyl1on:
I saw nowhere in your retorts where you thought minutely before typing.

Now you say "CHRISTIANS USE DEISTIC THOUGHT TO ARGUE AGAINST ATHEISTS" and this comment from you was directed at me who has NEVER used a single deistic thought to argue against atheists and you say you are not exhibiting stupidity?

Your foolish comments have been noted though. Next time jump start your brain before making comments.

He gave you an example of what christians do. Abi you are now christains? If they leave you now you'll think you have sense.

butterflyl1on:
And you claim to be smart with this comment? Smh

Someone says the earth would end in 20 years.

Another says the earth would end in the future.

A 20 years projection isn't it a FUTURE declaration from the present?

How then does 20 years time cease to be a future projection?

Read this comment again so you would not respond ignorantly again.

Shut up! The earth will end in the future is nothing similar to saying the earth will end in 20 years.

The reality is that christianity will cease to exist on earth in the future.

It is also a belief that christians hold, after all, you guys claim we are in the last days and your Jesus will soon come in the sky with his angels riding on horse back to put an end to human civilization as we know it.

NPComplete:
Them go gree? The mumu boys don dey beg meake I no talk about Islam again because them no fit counter am.

Honestly.

hopefulLandlord:
its funny how Scholar8200's point was demolished and all he could say is that they're trying to change the topic hahaha

these guys are so dishonest

I tire oo. Seriously.

butterflyl1on:
Mr man read my comment again. It seems you do not know what future means and that IN 20 YEARS TIME is a part of A FUTURE expressed from the present.

Mr Man I said the earth will cease to exist in the future. What part of the future I have stated is expressed from the present? Pls tell me.