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Deputy Commissioner of Police Chris Owolabi, who addressed the press on behalf of the Commissioner, Garba Umar, at the Command headquarters in Awka while debunking such report described such as the antics of some mischievous elements that are “bent on portraying the state in bad light in order to achieve their selfish goals.

Clarifying on the actual report of what happened, the police boss said Pastor David Elijah of Grace and Power Ministries, Awka claimed that he was attacked by unknown gunmen along Enugu-Udi road in Enugu State and his vehicle was riddled with bullets but he escaped unhurt.

“However, instead of reporting the incident at the nearest police station where the incident took place, the pastor drove his car to his church in Awka and attracted the attention of his congregation who were waiting for him at the church premises for an event.

“Following the incident, the Commissioner of Police directed the DPO ‘B’ Division to immediately proceed to the church and ascertain the true situation. The DPO visited the Pastor at his church and even took photographs with him to clear the ambiguity”

While imploring members of the public to disregard such misleading reports, the command advised Anambra people at home and in the Diaspora to avoid mischievous media and individuals who continue to make spirited attempts to misinform members of the public.

“We should all strive to work in the best interest of our dear state and the Nation in general” the Commissioner of Police stated.

http://sunnewsonline.com/police-denies-gunmen-attack-anambra-church/

frank317:
U sometimes have to wonder if these religious folks are not outrightly mad

Seriously.

You want atheist to explain a fictional occurrence to you?

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IT'S LIKE THIS..

Or like this

rekinomtla:
They generally applied this "logic" to religion. Basically they demand a special kind of evidence for things they don't want to believe.

Lies.

Christian : There's a man called Jesus, he is God, he created the universe 6000 years ago. I can do so many wonders because of him.

Atheist : Prove it

Christian: I can't do that naturally

Atheist : I don't believe your claim.

Theist are ONLY making empty claims that atheist disbelief. That's all to the thiest vs atheist brouhaha.

mide419:
Hahahhhaahahahahahahahaha Mallam Dalam

In the commission I belong to, MY FATHER BISHOP DAVID OLANIYI OYEDEPO encourage us to tell others what we did to arrive at where we are.


Unlike on the other side where you guys are encouraged to hide yours so you can be giving crumbs to the beggers.


LFC takes beggers off the streets and turn them to Millonaires.

You are invited to our communion service next sunday for a change of story in ya LIFE

Keep repeating lies, it's clear that's what you live and operate on.

mide419:
YES

good businesses that will continue to grow forever until JESUS comes.

I pay my tithe, my Shiloh Sacrifice and weekly transportation seed to canaanland.

I started paying Shiloh Sacrifice in the year 2015. And every year I keep changing levels.

When I added weekly transportation to canaanland for who can not afford it, Me that could only see planes taking off and landing at Ikeja,

I now enter the air craft as if na keke.

The devil is truely blinding many.

Shut up and stop telling lies. If you truly do these things you won't be bragging about them. You are only imagining yourself doing all these things. You are a liar.

China doesn't need any Jewish mythological and fictional character. They are very fine without Christ. They have their strong traditional mythologies to hang onto. They don't need any foreign mythology.

budaatum:
If they had claimed "all these things" were created by a Nigerian from any of it's tribes, I would understand how it could be our religion. It would at least show we have pride in ourselves. But unfortunately, instead of seeking for the kingdom of the gods in our own selves, in a confession of self worthlessness, we'd rather see it in the Jews!

and white Jesus.

JudasNaCarrot:
As an Atheist you don't believe in creation.... do you?
You believe in that Englishman, Charles Derwin evolution nonsense... same man who called on God he denied his existence to save his soul when he saw death.

Whether the Jewish man lived 2000 years ago or not....he's timeless and unchangeable.

God "The Creator" is timeless and everlasting. A supreme being that made all things possible.

Bookmark my comment because you will need to reference it soon,i mean very soon when you will see the "light"

Why are you telling me what I believe? I don't believe in evolution. I simply disbelief in Gods and also do not subscribe to evolution. I don't know and hold no position to any creation hypothesis that lacks evidence. What do you mean by timeless and unchangeable? Explain timelessness and unchangeable to me pls.

Nah wah oo. .

JudasNaCarrot:
My advice to you....

Find a quiet place...probably the beach,hill,mountain or forest,as in dead quiet.
Then think.....did all these natural things around me,the stars,ocean,mountains, trees etc just evolved...began to exist by accident without a master designer?

Answer: Surely there is something, some kind of supernatural force somewhere ( You may give it any name to suit you) in charge.

If you fail to realise these things and believe in your own personal abilities, then you need help like all Atheist.

Atheism is the height of human foolishness.

So all these things happened and were created by a Jewish man that came and lived with human beings 2000 years ago according to stories abi?

By the way where in the atheist code does it say that everything came about by accident?

Am an atheist but I don't believe in that, so what exactly are you trying to say?

spartan117:
Belief in Jesus Christ and confess him as your Lord and saviour that you may be saved.tomorrow may be too late.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Muslims given a taste of their own medicine

Maamin:
You on the other hand shouldn't have a sleepless night over this childish mythical tales and superstition.

Not when this nonsense is what they try to use to control others.

Christians be presenting childish mythical tales and superstitions as reality.

People should keep deceiving themselves telling themselves rubbish about the reality of life.

The reason why men cheat is because men get tired of fuckkking the same pussssy everyday and because no woman has it all. Women age, bodies get old and unattractive after a while, children and marriage itself takes its toll on women and their sexual confidence etc.

Men cheat because they will always cheat and that is the reality.

The only thing that stops men from cheating is poverty and erectile dysfunction. All middle class men that have enough disposable income and are not suffering from erectile dysfunction cheat. Fact!

HardMirror:
you are making a lot of sense. To imagine the scale of miracles claimed Jesus did, so much that it is claimed all the books on earth cant contain the volume of miracles he did. And yet we are scrambling for evidence. Nothing concrete for such a great man. Come on, at this point the whole jesus story is extremely questionable. You have raised very serious questions here. Perhaps you shld open a thread on this

They keep making very empty claims all the time. According to the nonsense written inside the bible, Jesus did so much wonders that all the book on earth can not contain it, but the only evidence we have for this so many wonders is no evidence but very empty stories. This guys keep telling us that we are crazy. If not crazy people why should you keep accepting stories that keep insulting you.

rekinomtla:
That's not irrefutable proof. You don't know for certain if that corpses is in fact that of a pharaoh. It could be the case that someone smuggled another corpse into that tomb thousands of years ago and led people to believe that was actually the body of a Pharoah. Therefore that's just your opinion since you not absolutely certain.

The corpse could be dated, we have reliable dating mechamism and tools that can be employedto tell us the age of the corpse. These were used in this case. Not only did they come out acurate other test and pride revealed what he died of.

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Open a book. We got numerous ancient historical sources that speak of Jesus. Ancient historians even, Josephus and Tacitus. In fact most of the stuff we know about the 1st century Jews comes for. Joesphus.

Open which book? Josephus only spoke about Jesus in a few sentences and those are still under dispute. Many scholars have stated that it is a forgery. Tacitus who write over 100 years after the allged death of Jesus only talked about Christians and their belief in Christ (he never mentioned Jesus's name) and Co clued that it was a supertition. This is not evidence at all. This is only hear say. Josephus is highly disputed as a forgery, Tacitus did not mention Jesus name as a person only Christ and Christians that believe in him and called it a superstition.

We don't got any of that for millions of people that lived during Jesus time. All those buildings, burial chambers, images etc. means nothing without ancient writings. Luckily of the ancient documents that have survived that we would expect to mention Jesus if he was truly a historical person do mention him.

So the creator of the universe came down to earth and he has no evidence at all to show that he existed apart from ancient writings and opinion of others? Which ancient documents that you expect to mention Jesus mentioned him? What did these documents say about him? No burst, no image, no surviving writings from himself, only opinions of other and other fradulent writings. So much for the creator of the universe coming to earth to have himself killed. The only evidence is empty opinions and counter opinions of ancient people. Nice one.

You honestly make it sound like you expected people to take out their galaxy s9 and record Jesus. Otherwise their writings are just "opinions"

The allege creator of the universe came to the earth to have himself killed and spread his very important message of salvation to humans and all we have as evidence is he said, she said disjointed and contradictory stories written on scrolls and opinions? Very interesting.

40 years after he died. Who told you that?

Which is the first gospel and when was it written? Even the writings of Paul that predate the gospels were written over 20 years after Jesus allegedly died. Tacitus, Josephus etc all wrote decades after Jesus allegedly died. Not a single word about him from writers that lived during his time.

What opinions? Historians have sources and fact check their information. Do you think we got empirical evidence for everything Josephus or Tacitus wrote, no what we got is highly accurate and reliable information in their historical writings.

They are opinions. Because thereally is hardly any concensus about anything with regards to Jesus or how he lived his life among historians. Again, the creatorof the universe came to kill himself so that he can save humans and the evidence for this is he she she said ancient tales that have no irrefutable evidence?

How do i know if speaking to a real person and not a computer programmed by an atheist? Where is your irrefutable proof that you exist? How do you know you not in the matrix or a brain in a vat? Until then I can't take you seriously as you can't even provide me with irrefutable proof that you exist, yet you asking me to give you irrefutable proof that someone who lived in ancient judea 2000 years ago existed.

I am not asking you to give me any proof because you have none. You only have belief in empty opinions and assertions of others. What am saying is that if the alleged creator of the universe truly came down to have himself killed as a sacrifice to himself so that humans will be saved from whatever it is you guys claim he came to save humans from and to establish a personal relationship with them, there will be irrefutable evidence for that, not the nonsense he said she said you are trying to show me. You believe in made up tales and mythology and that is all. You can dhow.me any evidence of proof because you have none, all you have are just stories and opinions of others because your religion like everything is is made up tales, fiction and opinions of others as such you can not show anything to be true or factual on its on about your beliefs without giving me the opinion of others. If your God exist as advertised, it will not rely on you to make any case for it. It will do it itself. You are trying to make a case for your God ONLY because it lives inside your head and no where else.

Fear of Buhari - lifelesstophobia.

How does a 9 years old child know that he is gay? Na wah oo.

MuttleyLaff:
My guy farabale. Calm down buddy.

I have shown you evidences of other people talking about what Moses wrote, after you admitted to not being aware of any.
If you arent aware of those others, I wonder what else are you're ignorant of and blindly arguing over

None of the books they claim Moses wrote has anything to do with the books am talking about. They said Moses wrote a book called the book of Moses. Genesis, exodus, Leviticus were not written by Moses for very obvious reasons. Even Moses himself isn't an established historical figure.

"Moses wrote book of Moses they said, where is the book of Moses?" you say

The Torah, also known as the Pentateuch, is what is called the book of Moses
It comprises of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

It is a LIE! THE pentateuch according to TRADITION is said to be the book of Moses. But in reality Moses did NOT write any of the books. I've shown you clearly where he is addressed in the 3rd person which shows that it is someone telling you a story about him. 3rd person narrative even at that time doesn't involve things that happen before a person is born and events that happened after he died. So Moses wrote about events that happened after he died abi? You are a joke.

Your shown evidence is nothing but a sham and pretense

Dont you know that writing in that 3rd person narrative, is being consistent with the writing style of that period

If you cant even be sincere and honest to identify clearly and definitely, the kind of 3rd person narrative employed
what else are you not sincere and honest about

It is a LIE, it is your insistence that Moses wrote the pentateuch after I've shown you that he didn't that remains a sham. Moses did NOT write the pentateuch. Tradition ascribe the authorship to him but there is nothing from the text it self that suggest that Moses wrote it. He did not claim authorship anywhere even though it's very common for people to claim authorship of text at that time.

You clearly know nothing about the scholarship behind the pentateuch. The consensus among scholars is that penntateach could not have been written by a single person because:

1. Differences in writing style,

2. Language: different languages were used in writing the pentateuch including the Caananite language.

3. Contradiction in the texts, among other things concluded that it was a composite work by editors tying together earlier texts written by very different authors over different periods.

4. Time, the text shows composition over a long period.

The Pentateuch does not present itself as being written by Moses, but as an anonymous account about the history of the world and the Israelites up to and including the life of Moses.

Moses is always reffered to as a third person in the pentateuch ( It's always “Moses said this,” or “Moses did that”). It is very apparent from such statements that someone else is writing about Moses, rather than Moses doing the writing himself. That much is very clear from the books.

Check this out from Numbers:

Num 12:3" Now the man Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else on the face of the earth."

Not only is this third person narration, but it is certainly not the sort of thing that a humble person would say about him or herself! This is someone clearly writing about Moses.

First person narration is quite common at that time for text that were actually written by the authors that wrote things themselves because authorship at that time were mostly ascribe to people through tradition. Examples are the Moabite Mesha and Tel Dan, they predate Moses but were written in first person narrative. Even the bible has some books that were written in first person narrative.

If you study the pentateuch you'll clearly see that who ever the authors are, clearly stated that they got their stories from other books that have nothing to do with Moses, example but they also included texts and quote from book of the Wars of the Lord (Num 21:13-15), the poem of the balladeers about Heshbon (Num 21:27-30), Lamech’s song to his wives (Gen 4:23-24). These are books and traditions that have nothing to do with Moses.

Even Moses himself is spoken about and addressed in the pentateuch as a historical figure like Noah, Abraham, Jacob etc It speaks about Moses in retrospect.
Example: Exo 2:11 - And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

Clearly you can see that the author is referring to Moses in retrospect as a historical person.
Other phrases like" up until this day", shows that the tradition continues from the time of Moses to the period of the writer.

In Deuteronomy 34, the writer says, "There never arose another prophet in Israel like Moses." after Moses died. Moses can not write these things since he's already dead.

Textual criticism is something that the Rabbis themselves noticed with the text and decided to voice out. They noticed that many things were wrong with the text and the traditional authorship given to Moses. One of the first person to observe this anomaly and speak out about it was Rabbi Abraham Ibn Ezra.


You have nothing but empty claims of tradition to hang on to.

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LOGICALLY THIS STORY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. A COMPLETELY WASTED ALMOST LIFELESS MAN - JUDGING FROM HIS INABILITY TO REALIZE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE GOT SOBER - CANNOT GET TWO VIRGIN DAUGHTERS PREGNANT, UNLESS THIS STORY KEPT OUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S MORE THAN RECORDED.

A SEXUALLY ACTIVE AND SOBER MAN KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO "DEFLOWER AND IMPREGNATE" A PERSON. BUT AN OLD ALMOST DEAD LOT DID TWO, AND DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. *FACEPALM!

People don't reason about these fairy tales at all.

Psoul:
Unfortunately, ur condition is pathetic.
When these ur eyes u thought are open finally open, u will cry and regret u were not as blind as u are now.
For now, enjoy the silliness that comes with this ur kind of blindness.

You are so blind that you can not differentiate BTW Oyedepo a snake oil sales man and Jesus. Yet you claim that it me that is blind.

rekinomtla:
More of your opinions. Until you provide absolute proof it's just your opinion. Still waiting for you to prove this isn't all a dream or that it's just the imagination of a brain in a vat.

Lions can't give birth to Human beings, that's a fact and not my opinion. It is simply impossible for lions to do that. The simple definition of a dream and imaginations shows that you have failed in your lame attempt.

You can touch stuff in your dreams, doesn't make it reality. It's all in your imagination.

I am the one to tell you that. People, lions and the earth are real, they are not my imaginations, they are part of our reality including you as well, you can touch things in your dream still doesn't change it from bring a dream. Dreams and imaginations by definition shows that you have failed in you lame attempts.

MuttleyLaff:
And concerning the dead, that they rise:
have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke unto him, saying,
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
- Mark 12:26

This is Mark( an unknown person by the way)clearly saying Nonsense. What is the book of Moses? Where is the Book of Moses? There is nothing like the book of Moses anywhere. This is someone making a claim. I am talking specifically about the books in the bible called genesis, exodus, numbers etc. Where did anybody say that Moses wrote them? Where is the evidence?

Finally, Moses finished writing all the words of these teachings in a book.
- Deuteronomy 31:24

As you can see clearly this is someone writing and telling you a story about Moses and claiming he wrote a book. He is even addressing Moses in the 3rd person. Who ever wrote Deuteronomy is NOT Moses. Someone is telling you a story about Moses as clearly stated here. MOSES DID NOT write Deuteronomy. Because you can see that someone is telling you a story about Moses and what he did. He is addressing Moses in the 3rd person. Clear evidence that Moses did NOT write Deuteronomy.

Then the priests and Levites were divided into their various divisions to serve at the Temple of God in Jerusalem,
as prescribed in the Book of Moses
- Ezra 6:18

Where is the Book of Moses? There is No book in the bible called the book of Moses. Ezra say Moses wrote the book of Moses not that Moses wrote Genesis, Exodus, Numbers etc.

Dalam0n, the undeniably fact, firmly stands, that, Moses, wrote.
The four examples I gave earlier above are others, you admitted to not knowing they said Moses wrote down things
You were only aware of "according to the person that wrote Exodus". Remember?

Moses wrote book of Moses they said, where is the book of Moses? The book of Moses is NOT genesis, it's not exodus or leviticus. I've shown you evidence from the booK of Exodus that Moses, did not write the book. Let me give you another clear example

Exo2: 11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

Exo 2:12 - And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

From this passage you can see clearly that Moses is addressed in the 3rd person narrative meaning that Someone is telling you a story about Moses. Moses did NOT write the book of exodus. This is someone clearly telling you a story about Moses.

After all even you clearly admit that "they" said Moses wrote down booKs and part of your examples of the "they" was Deuteronomy. Meaning you clearly admit that it was someone that wrote in Deuteronomy that Moses wrote a book and not that it was Moses that wrote the book of Deuteronomy.

The first book of Moses is called Genesis
and there is no basis to say Moses did not write the book Genesis

The first book of Moses is called Genesis according to who? Where did Moses claim authorship of the book of Genesis? IF you just picked up the book of Genesis without knowing who the author is how can you know that Moses wrote it? If you know anything about the book of Genesis you'll NOT be saying this NONSENSE YOU ARE SAYING. Moses was addressed in the 3rd person throughout the book of Exodus where his story first appeared in the bible show you that it is someone writing a story about Moses.

The scholarly consensus is the Moses did NOT write down those books. Tradition is what ascribe those books to him but he did not write them. He was always addressed in the 3rd person, and even where he was mentioned you'll clearly know that he wasn't the one that wrote but someone wrote and was telling a
a story about him.

You are yet to show me a single evidence that Moses wrote genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers etc. You clearly admitted that Moses did not write Deuteronomy.

MuttleyLaff:
I like you Dalam0n.
Better still, I actually, love you Dalam0n.
Do you know why?
It's because among other things, you always bring a smile to my face.

I can get you to care about what others said, if and when, I take the lid off to reveal to you that
1/ Jesus mentioned that Moses wrote things
2/ Apart from Jesus, even Philip found Nathanael and told him this:
"We have found the One, Moses wrote about in the Law, the One the prophets foretold"

3/ Aside Philip, some Sadducees came out, to publicly say Moses had wrote for them
4/ Paul too on record, talked about how Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Why care about what Moses said or left unsaid about authorship anyway?
Who "what Moses said or left unsaid" epp?
The undeniably fact firmly stands that Moses, wrote
Even if you want to argue that whatever Moses wrote is/was somewhat.
He still wrote something and you cant take that away from him

What did Moses write? Which book did he write inside the bible? Tell me. Let's start with Genesis. Did Moses write the book Genesis?

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WE'RE WASTING TIME HERE. THE BIBLE IS A COMPREHENSIVE DEFINITION OF PLAGIARISM. MOST OF ITS CONTENTS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED TO BE FROM EARLIER WORKS OF DIFFERENT AUTHORS FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES. MOSTLY FICTIONAL STORIES WITH NO SIGNIFICANCE OR VALUE IN THIS MODERN ERA. BUT SEE THE WAY THESE CLOWNS DEFEND THE SILLY BOOK WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT.
INDOCTRINATION IS TERRIBLE.

Indoctrination is very terrible indeed! If you have access to the manuscript written in its original language you'll see as Rabbi Boteach has shown that some passages in the Pentateuch were not even written in Hebrew but proto Hebrew which is a Canaanite language. These writings(first 5 books of the bible ) cover many centuries. Moses himself has not been established to be a historical figure. Many scholars say he is a mythical figure.

MuttleyLaff:
Phew! Prising that admission out of you was hard work on steroids.
Did I really had to retort to teasing out that reply out of you?
Was it really necessary to go to that length?

I rest my case. I am vindicated.
Need say no more except that
I am grateful to you for making public, your ignorance about not knowing about others that said Moses wrote down things

I don't care about what others said, I care about what Moses said and so far there is NOTHING anywhere to show that he said he wrote any of the books attributed to him. So far the scholarly consensus says he did NOT write down the books attributed to him by tradition.

JeromeBlack:
lol. I know their type. Will tell any lie just to disagree with an atheist. Butterflylion style

. Butterflyliar is now peddling his lies in the politics section as a BMO agent.
Here is an example of his lies. He was caught red handed LYING but he still refused to acknowledge his lies, he went to make things up and post just to continue with his lies.

https://www.nairaland.com/4698281/egina-fpso-sails-offshore-field

rekinomtla:
Impossible? Well that's wrong since it's possible lions and humans don't exist. We could just be dreaming.

Well lions and humans both exist as a matyer of fact and you have clearly shiwn that do not know what dreaming is in the context that you are trying to say.

It possible that you just a brain in a vat. Lions, humans and earth might just be part of your imagination.

Lion humans and earth are not part of my imaginations. These are tangible things. Imaginations aren't tangible.

JeromeBlack:
This is called "willful ignorance".

You very well know that humans cannot come from lions. But because it will derail your argument, you play the ignorant card.


Sometimes, do you ask yourself as a christian why you usually use deceptive means when arguing with atheists?

What ever lie that needs to be told to sustain belief must be told .