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emmysoftyou:
you re confused here. All these Arabs you mentioned were defeated in the past and if you think turkey has a better military than Israel then they shouldn't be afraid of America .

The turkey should be like North Korea that's trying to fvck with USA.
I'm very sure Israel don't need America to confront coward turkey..
Oga go and watch/read about how the Israelites defeated seven Arabs countries which surprised them till date.
Turkey wasn't among then and that's why they don't know the strength of Israel hence their barking out like a dog.

Israel only defeated Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon whose military were nothing to write home about. The Arabs didn't organize themselves well at that time. Turkey had a stronger military than Israel, it is not my opinion but that of military experts that are familiar with the military capabilities of both nations.

Butterflyleo:
Dalam0n this article by your supporter just showed you that Israel has the military edge over even Saudi Arabia. Your eye never clear?

. We argue to learn sometimes, but it seems you argue to spread lies.

Israel is way ahead of all the individual Arab military. The only two military that are advanced in the middle east are Saudi Arabia and Egypt, but even them can not defeat Israel in individual battles because they are miles behind Israel, only Saudi Arabia can stand an on slot from Israel but if they attack Israel they'll be totally defeated.

All my argument was to show those that were ignorantly and foolishly saying that if all the military of the world attack Israel they'll lose, that they don't know what they are saying. And I went on to say that the whole world doesn't even need to attack Israel. If only Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt and UAE come together and wage war against Israel they'll be able to defeat them in a conventional battle.

tolexy007:
just listen to yourself, u mention 5 big country against just one tiny country (Israel) and u are proud to say it
..Smh

Shebi they said that even all the countries in the world attack Israel they'll lose because some God is together with them and the are part of his mythical covenant.

SouthEastFacts:
Isreali defence industry is more robust than Turkish. NATO is USA and USA is Isreal. Hence Isreal is NATO. Secret intelligence wins war, Mossad is currently world number 1 secret agency.

The only reason most of the Islamic world is afraid of Israel is because of the US and not because of Israel itself. But above all Israel has nuclear weapons so there is nothing the Muslim world can ever do to them. But in a conventional war if Turkey, Saudi, Iran, UAE and Egypt gang up against Israel today they will defeat them.

[quote author=Righteousness89 post=67696992][/quote]What is this nonsense? Saudi Arabia has a bigger economy than Israel.

SouthEastFacts:
Isreal is nuclear armed, Turkey isn't. Isreal has a robust defence industry, Turkey doesn't. Isreal has a strong ally, Turkey doesn't. Isreali military has more war experience than Turkey. Isreali Mossad and covert services are light years ahead of Turkish. So what are you even saying. Leave some foolish ranking.

Turkey has a robust military defence industry as well, all their F-16 are made in Turkey, most of their arms are manufactured in Turkey. Turkey also has strong allies, it is a member of NATO the strongest allied force in the world. So what are you saying? They have a bigger and stronger military than that of Israel.

Righteousness89:
LIE

ISRAEL GDP: $387.367 billion (nominal 2017) $360.976 billion (PPP 2017)

GDP: $640 billion (nominal 2017; 20th); $1.75 trillion (PPP 2017; 15th)

Righteousness89:
dig more bro... u forget the 6days war ...
Ask Egypt wat happened to them
Egypt used to be a World power... But Since the ISREALITES dealt with them, they have not RECOVERED.....since over 400 yrs ago....

You think these Turkey Nd the world at large don't know Histroy??

When it comes to Isreal, countries just talk bla bla bla Nd go... no one dares fight Isreal..

Among the ARABS is a tiny Jewish nation has the Best Economy
The best Security
The Most prosperous
And u think its Ordinary?? awake young man

Egypt used to be the world power thousands of years ago and not recently. Turkey is ranked ahead of Israel in terms of military might by military experts.

Saudi Arabia has a bigger economy than Israel and is the most important economy in the middle east.

Righteousness89:
all these nations surrounds Isreal yet Isreal decides their faith... ISREAL u see is not Just a Nation.. Isreal is A COVENANT..... U hv to kill the Being that Convenated them befor u Destroy them...

ISRAEL does NOT decide the faith of Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Only Egypt has ever engaged Israel in a battle directly. All the others I have listed have not.

They should attack Turkey and the other countries I've listed then we will see how well this mythical covenant will work.

Butterflyleo:
Those are not facts because facts are presented based on existing truths and facts and it is a fact that Israel is ranked as good as top in the world in terms of military prowess, technology, super power (which turkey or Egypt or Saudi cannot boast about), in terms of military training and devotion, innovativeness, deadliness, precision and strategy.

If with little military capability they could soundly defeat the Arab coalition in the 6 day war what do you now think would happen with the technological advancements and advantages they now have as a nation of which even the super powers are recipients of their supply?

The Israelis don’t just import military hardware from othet nations like the US, they customize them heavily and improve them with additions of their own. This has made them a formidable military in the region which can stand up to any aggressor. They have a very strong local defense industry as well, which makes world class weapon systems.

Israel is the first nation to develop and deploy an armed unmanned boat for surveillance and protection duties. A boat that stands 6 to 1 in effectiveness and ability when place side by side with its manned counterparts.

They are the first nation to develop a light and compact missile with a 250 km range which enables it to be launched from F-15/16 and even from the UH-60 Helicopters. This missile is accurate enough to be used to destroy enemy air defense sites with 1m error.

They own the merkava 4 special tank

They own the atmos (advanced truck mounted) 2000 howitzer

They own the F-15I Ra’am extremely long range attack aircrafts

They own the Arrow 3 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) system. This missile was developed to be more effective than the famous American MIM-104 Patriot ABM system and is indeed far more effective and that is because The Arrow 3 can intercept a ballistic missile at altitudes of over 100km and a battery of these missiles is said to be capable of intercepting 5 ballistic missiles in 30 seconds.

They own the Barak 8 SAM which is mainly designed for intercepting supersonic cruise missiles.

They own The Sa’ar 5 which is a multi-role corvette vessell which is designed to carry out Anti-Submarine, Anti-Surface, and Anti-Air warfare with equal ease. The best part of this ship is that it displaces around 1100 tons but has the firepower of a 4000-ton.The unique feature is that it is the smallest warship in the world to be fitted with a 4 Panel AESA radar. The MF-STAR can search, track targets and guide up to 16 Barak-8 SAMs simultaneously to intercept them. This gives the Sa’ar 5, an ability to defend itself against any aerial threat. And this ship holds the unique distinction of being the most heavily armed ship in the world

They own the Iron Dome interceptor system. This is a C-RAM (Counter-Rocket Artillery Mortar) missile system which uses the Tamir interceptor missile to carry out its duty. This system is essential for protecting Israel from the smallest threats (rockets, artillery shells, mortars) which are targeted at civilians and it has successfully done its job over the past few years and remains the most combat proven modern air defense system in the world.


They essentially take Americas best weapons and make them far better than they originally were.

Read up

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-israel-takes-americas-best-weapons-war-makes-them-even-24953

Israel is formidable and if you feel that defeating them by those nations is a fact then you need to think again.

Despite all these the Turkish military is still ranked better and ahead of the Israeli military in almost all ranking by military experts. One on one conventional war Israel can NOT win Turkey based on available technology and military hardware.

Saudi Arabia can boast of most of the military hardware Israel posses, the 69 billion they spend on their military annually for about the last 15 years has made sure that they also have seriously upgraded their military might and abilities.

A gang up of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Egypt and UAE today will see a total defeat of Israel. They will not be able to stand them because they can match them hardware to hardware.

Butterflyleo:
Any country that fights in support of another country is essentially at war with thathe country they are against as well. So the entire 13 were at war with Israel even though 8 were supporters and sent limited troops. That's the art of war. Or is the friend of your enemy your friend in war?

Did the united states help Israel during the 6 day war which was the event that changed the entire middle east? Yes or no

Maybe you need to read more here

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-39960461

It will open your eyes to what you want to deceive yourself about continuously.

You called Syria a weak nation when I referenced their involvement in other wars Israel has fought on my list of 12 wars did you not say they were not strong and discarded them and rather praised Egypt and turkey?

Next you turn around and say the same Egypt and syria almost defeated Israel in yom Kippur despite the same Egypt and Syria being defeated about 3 to 4 times together as a combined force with not just themselves but other Arab nations as well and also with a coalition from Russia too.

Can you explain how in 6 days Israel only lost about 700 soldiers to the almost 19,000 lost by the combined forces not to mention a loss and destruction of massive military hardware belonging to the enemy.

Read the article I posted and be enlightened better.

Granted, the Israelis won against the weak Arabic nations in 1967 and that was mainly because they took them by suprise and the Arab armies were NOT well cordinated a fact that your link even acknowledged.

Syria has very weak military, I did NOT say that Syria and Egypt almost defeated Israel, it was a part of the report from the link and I posted it mainly to show you that Israel received massive you as military support in 1973 against what you said.

Israel is strong no doubt but my assertions that they will be defeated by a combined force of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE and Egypt today in military combat remains a fact. If these 5 countries I listed engage Israel in a military combat they will defeat them. If Isreal attacks Turkey today it will lose. These are facts.

Butterflyleo:
You seem not to realise your own errors.

Before the Yom Kippur war in 1973, there was the 6 day war in 1967 which was Israel against thirteen countries namely, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, PLO, Sudan, Tunisia.

THEY GOT ABSOLUTELY NO MILITARY SUPPORT FROM USA in this war against 13 Arab nations and they came out victorious.

During the run up to the Six-Day War, the Americans repeatedly rebuffed Israeli requests for military aid and approval for an Israeli preemptive attack on Egypt. This was because the united States was having their own issues in Vietnam at that time.

Did that stop Israel from having what is widely known today as a Decisive Israeli victory?

So this shows you that the USA has not ALWAYS been in support of Israel and the last war Israel fought was not the yom Kippur war as I showed you earlier from my list of 12 wars Israel has fought.

You can lie, the main people Tha fought the war were Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Lebanon only sent 2 aircraft for example, Oral as well, the rest of the countries sent very limited aid in terms of food supplies and financial aid they mostly dI'd NOT engage in any form of combat. Only the 5 countries I listed engaged in any form of combat

Regarding how USA has divinely benefited from Israel is a story for another day. You would never understand it because it has spiritual links and you are an atheist

You can't answer because your answer will show you that you know nothing about what you are talking about. The divine benefits you talk about remains imaginary.

So suffice to say, you have no point if Israel could roundly defeat 13 Arab nations who came against her without the help of the united states then surely Egypt and Syria would not have been any match for her eventually.

By the way I thought you said earlier that Syria was weak so how come you are now using them to show that they almost defeated Israel?

Stop being confused and argue straight with your ancestors Mr man. Stop using what you have discarded initially to turn around and say it was powerful after all.

They did NOT defeat 13 Arab nations Mr lie lie, they defeated 5.

When did I use Syria or say the tried to defeat Israel you liar? I only showed you a link that says US has helped Israel in the 1973 war when you lied that the US has never helped them in the past.

Butterflyleo:
He would never allow his brain to see the obvious truth. A supposed more powerful nation than Israel yet is asking for a coalition in order to go against Israel.

Who is deceiving who?

Even the US asked for a coalition before attacking Iraq and Afghanistan so what are you saying? Turkey is one of the first countries that dropped bombs on Kabul as part of the coalition forces that invaded the country.

Butterflyleo:
Like I said, you just like arguing aimlessly.

So you do not know that Saudi Arabia was also a part of those who fought against Israel during the 6 day war.

Also they have fought a combined attack from the Egyptian Republic, Russia, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Yet came out undefeated but rather defeated their opponents.

I see you like arguing with your ancestors so continue.

Saudi Arabia sent a very limited number of soldiers and equipment back then . During the war with Egypt Russia also sent a very limited amount of help to Egypt. Don't pretend as if Russia and Saudi Arabia actively took part in those wars. They didn't.

When Russia threatened to attack Israel the US quickly put and end to the war by organizing a shaky ceasefire

If Russia attacks Israel today they will wipe them off the map. If Israel attacks Saudi Arabia today they will NOT be able to defeat them. That is the fact. They can only defeat Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq andthe militia men in Palestine.

US was not in the equation when they practically beat these countries black and blue. US is actually the one benefiting immensely from Israel in terms of divine favour by association and not the other way around.

It's a lie, the US has ALWAYS been in support of them right from inception. The last war they fought the US was there with them.

"Initially, it appeared that Egypt and Syria would emerge victorious from the conflict. Armed with up-to-date Soviet weaponry, the two nations hoped to avenge their humiliating defeat in the Six-Day War of 1967. Israel, caught off guard, initially reeled under the two-front attack, but Israeli counterattacks turned the tide, aided by massive amounts of U.S. military assistance, as well as disorganization among the Syrian and Egyptian forces. "

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-yom-kippur-war-brings-united-states-and-ussr-to-brink-of-conflict


Explain to me in full details amd with evidence and list the divine favours US is benefitting by associating itself with Israel.

sparkwil:
Erdogan the ranting fool



Go check your history.......remember the six-day war?

Isreal can NOT defeat Turkey if a war breaks out among them.

Butterflyleo:
You just like arguing even when there is really nothing to argue about.

The entire world knows the military prowess of Israel and always exercise extreme care when It comes to dealing with that nation.

Israeli special forces fall within the too 8 most elite special forces in the world. Such a small nation yet with so much accolades.

Do you remember the raid on Entebbe carried out in Uganda in 1976 by Israelis special forces? It is still talked about till date due to their ingenuity and how they made such a difficult task look very easy so much so they even had a movie done in its honour.

This was carried out by just 100 israeli commandoes and they single handedly destroyed 30 Ugandan aircraft which was a quarter of their entire air force, killed 45 Ugandan soldiers, 7 terrorists and only lost 1 Israeli commando who happened to be the older brother of benjamin netanyahu the prime minister of israel and all this happened within 90minutes only.

You are a joke, just listen to yourself. Uganda? What the hell is Uganda? Who knows Uganda? An army that was sent packing by Rebels from Tazania in just 2 days so much so that their strong man Idi Amin had to run away. Even Tazania is not know as a serious military anywhere. The world is only Afraid of US when it comes to dealing with Israel. Remove the US from the picture and Israel would not be making all the mouth they are making.

You ask what serious wars has Israel fought? History knows better.

Feast your eyes from wikipedia



You can clearly see the number of times Israel has faced combined attacks from several countries at the same time, yet defeated those couuntries resoundingly.

Israel is too tough to handle by the Arab coalition and they know it. They have first hand experience while you have nothing but stories.

Keep on arguing with your ancestors.

Wars with weak nations like Syria, Jordan, Egypt , Iraq and Lebanon is what you call serious wars? They've never had any seriius and open conflict with strong Muslim countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran. What is Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Egypt? These are not strong nations but very weak countries. The only country that has upgraded amongst them is Egypt, Egypt now has a strong and modern army that can hold their own against Israel.

greggng:
I repeat China will eventually call for help and that will lead to world war. There is no war American technology or military hardware can be compared with China's own. The records are there. Is not about population is about technology In terms of military hardware. They are learners. Americans 've war experience behind them.

America only has war experience against tiny nations. Even at that they try to gang up on people with their allies. China can stand the US in a conventional war. They have good military hardwares as well.

johnydon22:
I wanted to raise an argument later on the subjectivity or objectivity of morality and have a long discussion how objectivity in morality either must include or not necessarily include God or external influences to put a lid on that long standing argument.

Pls can you create a topic on this and mention me. There are many misconceptions I'll like to address.

Butterflyleo:
You are beginning to drift.

Your OP says religious gods do not exist.
And I just showed you that they exist. If they are dead or not is inconsequential. They existed before and still exist in the minds of their followers as gods.

Religion is defined thus



And the list I gave you are worshipped and personal gods.

So they exist.

See the silly games you play?

So mother Theresa exist as a God? Where is she?

hopefulLandlord:
You got this all backwards sir. I'm a skeptic and I never asked you for any spiritual help. This thread is about the existence of god and you claimed god exists because there's this prophet somewhere. Now that we want to put your claim to the test you get reticent because we want to "Play" him? so you're saying your proof of god can actually be "played" and "insulted"? doesn't that say a lot about your proof of god?

These guys are funny. Butterflyleo is already trying to create a a very false dichotomy BTW God and religious Gods that he can keep beating the strawman that he created inside his head.

Gggg102:
and now they are a very peaceful bunch.

all of the violence in their book and the violence after their book is forgotten.


this can happen to Islam next week.

Boko Haram and Isis will just drop all their weapons and all of their terrorism would be past tense.

they would see the light and apologize.
they would realise that somehow, they lacked Allah's backing.
but then they will know better.
old things will pass away.
they would become shining examples of hope, love and peace and the light of god.

Christianity is 600 years older than Islam. When Christianity was 1600 years old, they were killing people in the name of Christianity more than Muslims are doing today. Christians have killed more people in the name of Christianity than Muslims will ever do.

Islamic violence and extremism will fizzle out with time just like that of Christianity as Muslims get more educated and the world becomes more modernize and liberalized.

Gggg102:
check the middle ages where Christians fought the holy wars.

where you were forced to become a Christian.

where Christianity became the largest religion through conquest and forced conversion.


you don't see Christians killing people for god because they stopped.

extreme Islam will soon stop killing people because of religion.

and all their atrocities will be forgotten the way Christian atrocities were forgotten

Even modern day Jews that follow the OT have stopped practicing and following the injunctions written inside the OT. They refuse to follow it and kill in the name of Yahweh.

The virulent type of Islam practiced in the northern part of Nigeria is almost on the same level with countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan.

4kings:
Just finished reading every post on this thread.

LMAO
That Butterflyleo is a tough case.
That's Naijadeyhia fo you. Lol

Anyways, don't have much to add, during the Naijadeyhia/Butterflylion fraud saga, even KingEbukasBlog and Felixomor didn't bother questioning him not to talk of Analice107 sef.
Anything, to support their religious argument i guess.

Though like you said some are cool, like lordnicklaus kilo4sure and a few others, though they are not active again in this section.

Analice that still supports naijadeyhia till tomorrow. She even tell lies to cover up for him even after he ran away. They are all the same.

superhumanist:
Butterflyleo is a real embarrassment to Jesus and a great example of the hypocritical Nigerian Christian the op is talking about.

He can insult atheists' families but will turn around and claim that he is more moral than atheists. Atheists can't judge him because they all follow subjective morality.


Butterflyleo will deny any discrimination in Nigeria against atheists and yet will ironically torment them by being happy whenever he reads anything unfortunate that happens to atheists.

Butterflyleo will tell any lie or use any dubious means to demean atheists but he will turn around and say that atheists are belligerent.He has a habit of copying and pasting fake news from religious blogs and misinterpreting statistics. He openly denied that Japanese people are largely atheists and claimed that Christianity was blowing up in China.

Christians can never give what they don't have. All they have to offer is empty talk from the beginning to the end. They have NOTHING special to offer in reality but empty talk and imaginary assertions. Butterflyleo is a perfect example and he epitomizes Christianity in all facets.

He is very big liar, he lies all the time, you can not transact with him here and not know about his lying ways. He can't survive without telling lies. Even if you will kill him he can't stop telling lies to promote his faith and promote his posture.

He is a thief and a deciever. He goes to other websites, steal their intellectual property and come here and post them as his, he is notorious for that, even after being caught many times he still does he, he can't stop.

He is a ridiculous and foolish hypocrite. The first time he caught hopefulLandlord engaging in plagiarism, he mocked, discredited, and quickly linked that singular act of plagiarism to his atheisism and tried to insinuate that he did it because he lacked morals as an atheist only for him to be caught shortly after plagiarizing scientific articles from another site (can you imagine) , Since then he has been caught stealing materials and posting them as his many times by different people at different times. He can't stop because stealing is part of his life and hypocrisy is all what he knows.

He'll now come and start his dance of shame to save face by saying that atheist have no right to judge him, because atheist believe in subjective morality (a lie he says all the time ) because there are many atheist that believe in objective morality. But he keeps saying it because telling lies for Jesus is all he lives for.

But you don't even have to go by what type of morality atheist believe in because according to him people that deceive and cheat others(things he said are bad) are without God and morally unholy. He is a deceiver, a liar and a thief, and according to him he is morally unholy.

If his Jesus can not save him then I wonder why he is he claiming that atheist should follow his ways and have a turn around. What in his lying, stealing and hypocrisy will make any sane person want to be like him or try to practice the imaginary superior morality he is offering?

Butterflyleo is empty and as such he can never give what he does not have. He has admitted that he is morally unholy so how can he give what he doesn't have?

If you notice that is how they all are. From naijadeyhia who ended up being disgraced as a fraudster to felixmoron that will insult your family and openly wish you death for mocking his beliefs, same with analice who is very vile and dangerous.

Christians on nairaland generally have nothing to offer apart from empty talk. Take them seriously at your own peril.

Butterflyleo:
Its the moral decadence prevalent in them. The most astonishing thing is that when they support them they actually make it personal as if they are secretly gay or wish they were.

It is shocking

So the majority of Americans and Europeans whom you say are Christians that support same sex relationships and have made them legal in their countries are morally decadent abi?