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DoctorAlien:
Can a confusion of strong desert winds not strive against each other and upon such materials as sand, water, stones and cement found in the same desert for an arbitrary number of hours, at the end of which you have a perfect bungalow with 12 by 12 rooms in it?

It can not. It is impossible. To build a bungalow you will need design something only a consious mind can do, you will need purpose and intention something only a consious mind can do, and you will also need direction something only a consious mind can do. Random forces like desert winds can never build a big alow because it is impossible for bungalows to be built by random forces.

4everGod:
Do you realize that caves are formed due to weathering processes of which wind is involved. If wind can be involved (like DoactorAlien used the word Synergy) in the formation of Caves which are hollows or cavities in rocks which humans can live in then how can it now build a house in synergy with the sand when the sand contains iron ore as Ironsand?

Do you know that once you put a lot of sand in a wind tunnel and set up the process of wind blowing the sand around, once one grain of sand gets stuck then another grain can get stuck to the first and so begins a mass of sand collection and depending on how its positioned can form a dune or an enclave.

Now if this can occur experimentally then how do you think a house cannot be built the same way especially if the grains of sand somehow get stuck at just the right positions for sand accumulation to occur.

You said something without complexity as a house cannot be formed or built without human involvement or purpose but you seem to think a house must be something that has all the trappings of the houses you see today.

Dalaman your ignorance is on another level today. I give that to you and salute your ignorance[/b]


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Bla bla bla sheep. A dune is NOT a human house. A cave is NOT a human house. Desert sands can not construct a human house. Human house needs purpose, direction and intentions something that can not be achieved by a desert sand because it is random. Another fail from your side.

DoctorAlien:
1. I can build a house without any purpose at all. Maybe I have too much money.

2. What exactly is direction? Placing one block on another? Can you prove that a mighty wind cannot place a block on top of another?

3. So to what part of building a house is consciousness essential?

Can you prove that desert winds in synergy with desert house cannot build a house?

A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

DoctorAlien:
What mechanism involved in constructing houses makes it impossible for desert winds to build a house?

A house needs to be designed by a conscious mind with purpose and direction. Something that is completely absent in the desert winds. Desert winds are random as such they can not construct a human house.

4everGod:
At this point its pretty obvious you are so deeply ignorant it hurts. So with the Easterly winds and the westerly winds the desert winds are directionless? I wonder how you think the sand dunes in the desert formed? Perhaps they emerged from under the ground randomly.

DoctorAlien if you wish to continue going back and forth with Dalaman na u sabi. His ignorance is blocking my thought process.

Sand dunes can be formed by random processes. Human houses can not. End of story.

DoctorAlien:
Stop constructing Strawman arguments. Winds, as mindless as they are, accomplish things which man with a conscious mind can accomplish. Don't bring in purpose. I can do a thing without any purpose in mind.

You areare a ridiculous sophist. There are some things that humans accomplish that winds can because random acts can accomplish them, example planting of trees. Trees have been planted by winds long before humans came into the earth. The mechanism involve in tree plantin makes it possible for random winds to accomplish them. The mechanism in constructing houses makes it impossible for winds to construct them. End of story. You have failed.

DoctorAlien:
That is like saying "GOD exists. It is impossible that He does not exist. If you disagree, prove that GOD does not exist."

I seriously don't want to believe that you're this uninformed.

I have already explained why it is impossible for desert winds to build a human house. Let me state it again. A human house needs purpose, direction and a consious mind to build it. Desert storm are random, directionless and without not consious. As such it is impossible for it to build a human house . Of you disagree then explain how it can.

DoctorAlien:
How can you tell me "random forces cannot build a house in the desert because it is impossible for random forces to build a house?"

You need to go and pick up your handbook of basic logic.

You have not told me how random forces can build houses in a desert. I can logically explain to you how random forces can plant a tree. But you can not logically explain to me how random forces can build a human house in the desert. A human house needs a consious force with sma sense of direction and purpose to build it. That alone has already disqualified desert wind since they ate directionless, random and without not consious.

DoctorAlien:
The burden to prove the above rests on you. And if you're not gonna prove the above, but are only intent on running around, then don't mention me again.

Thank you.

I have already done that. Random forces do not build human houses, it is impossible. If you disagree then show us how. You have nothing so you can run away. It's allowed.

4everGod:
Indeed ignorance is bliss!

So what are the complex things you have observed form without a beginning aka a creator?

Everything.

DoctorAlien:
And I told you that wind which you described as not conscious can also accomplish a task which man who is conscious accomplishes i.e. planting a tree.

So, prove that it is impossible for desert wind to construct a house in synergy with desert sand.

That's because random actions and forces of naturecan plant trees. Random actions and forcws in nature can not build human houses. So you have failed. It is impossible for desert winds to build houses if you disagree then show how. Again we are talking specifically about human houses and not trees.

4everGod:
At the bolded if i am to agree with you, If a non complex house would need purposeful intention and conscious desire to produce, How then did your complexity as a man come about?

I don't know. But we have observed complex things in nature form without any creator.

DoctorAlien:
You said this:

Please prove it. Just prove it.

Don't ask me to "prove how wind can construct house" because this is the same crime of which you accuse Christians: asking you to prove that their assertion is not true, instead of going ahead to prove what they themselves have asserted.

I have already told you why it is impossible. A human house needs a consious mind with a sense of purpose, intention and direction to build it. Desert wind isn't consious and is random as such it can never build a human house. Of you disagree then explain to me in details how desert winds can build a human house.

4everGod:
chai Dalaman

Yet you know all about how evolution works yet;

1. You cannot explain to yourself how desert winds and sand could possibly construct a house

2; You do not believe it could ever be possible

ok na

Desert winds are natural phenomenon. A house is not. A desert wind can not construct a human house because it is random. A house needs a consious and purposeful intention and action.
If you believe that a desert sand can build a human house then explain it and the mechanism involved. I said it is impossible.

4everGod:
Can you define the origin of evolution again for me?

So you agree that it takes a conscious mind to bring a non complex house to existence yet it does not take the same conscious mind to bring your complexity and all the earths complexity to existence.... I hear you

A human house does not exist in nature. It is a creation of humans. Rivers, mountains, deserts, landscapes etc all exist in nature. We have seen them all being formed without any creator.

Heck even planets have been clearly explained to form without any creator. Things that exist in nature are different from things that are man made.

DoctorAlien:
It takes a conscious mind to plant a tree. Wind can also deposit a seed in an arbitrary place and a tree grows there.

So what are you saying?

Demonstrate how desert winds can build a house. We are NOT talking about trees here. How can a desert wind construct a human house? I said it's impossible you said it's possible then explain how.

DoctorAlien:
Prove the bolded. It's your assertion.

Note: I inserted the the phrase "in synergy with desert sand" as that properly represents my argument.

It takes a consious mind with a direct purpose to build a human house. Desert wind isn't consious and acts randomly with out any purpose as such it can never build a human house.

Explain to me in details how a random force like the desert win in synergy with desert sand can build a human house. Am waiting.

4everGod:
You do realize that a human house is not complex right? Yet randomness produced your complexity as Dalaman. Randomness and an evolution from nothingness produced all the complexities in Nature with all its variants

And I said randomness created anything when and where? We have never observed humans building houses but we have never observed anything creating a human being.

There are many of us that are very OK with the I do not know position.

4everGod:
Do you know that there are people who consider caves as their homes? Was it built by humans? What if nature would eventually keep working on those caves and we would have doors, windows, plumbing, septic tank, rooms, kitchen etc even though they are not complex right?

A cave is not a human house you dullard. A cave is not a house.

4everGod:
I will pretend i did not see this question because your ignorance is in full effect.

The name of the minks that brought christianity to your village is ? When did they come t your village?

DoctorAlien:
That is not the proof that a house found in the middle of a desert was built by a man. For what it's worth, that could be the first house built by desert wind in synergy with desert sand.

It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house if you disagree then explain how. The mechanism and all needa to be explained by you in details. What can be asserted without any evidence deserves to be dismissed without evidence.

DoctorAlien:
Answer 4everGod's question: why did you not assume that winds and sands in the desert built up the house?

Anyway, your assertion that "absence of evidence is the evidence of absence"(I never knew someone couldassert this) has been conclusively proven wrong.

Because desert winds do not build human houses. If you know any human house that has been built by desert winds then show me. We know that human beings alone build human houses. So any where we see one we know it was built by humans. If you know any house that exist anywhere in the world that was not build by humans show me the house.

4everGod:
*facepalm*

Is Nigeria not part of Africa? Why you dey reason like this? If Christianity first hit Egypt in the 1st Century and Ethiopia in the middle of the 1st Century AD its expected to spread and it was already here in Nigeria before the white man came and it was brought by Monks...Research a little abeg

Christianity first came to Nigerian when? The name of the monks that brought it to Nigeria? When did Christianity come to your village? Egypt is in the middle east which is the birth place of Christianity.

When did christianity get to your village and tell me the name of the monks that brought it.

4everGod:
Why do you not assume that the desert sand aided by the desert wind could have someone through one random process caused the house to exist especially when there are no humans or houses to be seen in any direction hundreds of miles away?

Desert winds have not been observed to build human houses. They form dumes and all. But they don't form houses. Only human beings build human houses. Where ever you see a human house in any part of the world it must be built by humans, because we know that only humans build human houses.

4everGod:
Dalaman stop speaking with so much ignorant arrogance!

Christianity first arrived in North Africa, in the 1st or early 2nd century AD. The Christian communities in North Africa were among the earliest in the world.

This is not about His Village and the white man Never brought Christianity to Africa

And christianity arrived in Nigeria when?

DoctorAlien:
No, the fact that you cannot demonstrate to me right now that there is no whatever under your bed is not the evidence that such a thing is not there. That is not an evidence to me.

I'm not impressed by this level of reasoning.

You can't say that the proof that nobody created the earth is the fact that the Creator cannot be seen.

Neither can you say that the proof that nobody built a mansion found in the midst of a desert is that the architect is nowhere to be found.

We know humans build houses that is why we also know that when we see a house in a desert it must be built by humans.

We don't know what created the earth. We don't know if the forces of nature created the earth. Most of the scientific explanations for planetary formation do not give room for a creator. We have seen natural forces creating stuffs like mountians, rivers, landscapes, deserts etc. Same forces could have created the earth we don't know for sure. If you claim some external force created it then point to that external force. It's that simple.

felixomor:
U dont know anything.
Even in the days of Paul, Egyptians and Ethiopians were already peeaching.

And just look at u again, speaking about ancestors again.
Mscheww
Anyway u already committed yourself to a fallacy before, by saying absence of evidence was evidence of Absence.

You that know something. Just tell me the names of the christians living in your village before the whites came.

felixomor:
Is Nigeria not in Africa?
And also let me shock you

Your ancestors may probably have been Malians or even Ethiopians.

Nigeria was born in 1914.
Thats recent

My ancestors were not Malians or Ethiopians. The names of the christians that were living in your village before the whites came is what? Even the Ethiopians were told about Jesus by the Christians of the Roman empire. People like Paul and there other early disciples.

DoctorAlien:
That statement makes you appear unlearned.

What is the evidence that there is no blue elephant hiding under my bed as I am laying on it right now?

The absence of evidence that there is one. Case closed.

felixomor:
In case u dont know.
Since u have proven to be the real slave to white man.

Let me educate u.
Long before white men dreamt of Christianity, ethiopians, Egyptians and nubians were already preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ in Africa.

Dont make assumptions with pieces of history.

I said Nigeria. Name the christians living in Nigeria before the whites came.

felixomor:
According to you, because no names, automatically means no Christians...

" The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

How else do I know u have never heard the above statement.

Fallacies.

The absence of evidence is evidence of absence. In this case we have clear documentation from the whites that brought christianity to Nigeria. They said there were no christians in the region they captured until when they introunced the people to the religion.

You are making a case without any evidence. Just point to any thing that says Jesus was appearing to the people living in Nigeria before the white people came or shut up.

felixomor:
Abeg, who wrote the history?
How old is the person?

The name of the christians that were living in Nigeria and where they lived before the whites came is what you are to provide. Where are the names?