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felixomor:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Focus on the bolded.

Next!

What has this hot to do with Jesus warning his desciples against going to preach to the gentiles and the Samaritans. Jesus said he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel and they are to preach to only them.

He told his desciples that they will be in heaven with him and they will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

felixomor:
All knowing was when Jesus told Peter he would deny him 3 times. Before it happened.
As an example.

But not knowing that he will have to change the laws and things he allowed like incest and all the barbaric laws of the OT? All knowing indeed.

felixomor:
He is the same God that sent Jesus for all mankind,

So u have no point.

Jesus said he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.

The twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.As you go, proclaim this message: 'The kingdom of heaven has come near.'- Matt 10:5-7

felixomor:
All knowing doesnt mean All doing what u think.

Give me an example of all knowing that isn't what I think.

felixomor:
What God did is not genocide, as u claim.
He simply punished his creation for disobedience and idol worship.
Just as a judge would sentence criminals.

Simple.

Same way that what Allah's foot soldiers are doing is not a criminal offence. They are carrying out Allah's injunction as punishment for disobedience against you people.

naijadeyhia:
Jesus said HE CAME NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW BUT TO FULFIL IT. I think even you should understand english. He fulfilled all of the law so everythig attached to the law stopped in Christ the moment he said IT IS FINISHED...In other words THE LAW IS FINISHED.

I won't argue back and forth on theology. So Jesus knew the law was that he had to change it? Where then is the all knowing attribute ascribed to him as God?

felixomor:
And he came as Jesus to stop all that, simple.

Where did Jesus said he came to stop all that? Jesus said he came not to abolish those laws.

felixomor:
Sorry, if i destroy what i created, u cant judge me.
I dont see ur point,
Really

Then let me not hear you complain when Allah's foot soldiers go about killing people on his divine command theory. After all you can't judge Allah because he created the universe and has the right to do what ever he wants.

felixomor:
Of course, he existed before the prophets,

So

He was for all those genocides answer barbaric laws before he later turned against them even though he knows all things and can see the future?

felixomor:
Yes 2 wrongs cannot,
Thats why Jesus came.

Period.

Came not to abolish the laws of the prophets.

felixomor:
Oho.
The same Twitter brain that approved abortion?

You see the hypocrite foolishness?

So two wrong make a right abi?

ScepticalPyrrho:
KingEbukasBlog you are missing this critical part of the discussion.

What is your excuse to the bolded part?

They don't reason out their thoughts properly before they make it. Even the William Lane Craig is on record many times to say that he doesn't like defending OT morality. When forced to do that he always commits blunder because it's indefensible.

Rilwayne001:
This is very daft of you!! Shekau can argue the same thing to defend himself. What now is the difference between what you believe and what shekau believe? Whereas you and your lots will tag Islam an evil religion as a result of some deluded fanatics doing exactly what you are defending here. Are you now any different from boko-haram, ISIS who thinks themselves as a tool God is using to judge those who's gone astray?

Forget these deluded goons.

felixomor:
Just hold it.
because u didnt know what obtained then.

Besides, the laws of those days were a picture of what the hearts of men were then.
Dont blindly try to analyze it with your facebook and twitter brain of nowadays.

When we went to primary school, flogging was ideal punishment.
Today, many are against it.

So use wisdom when talking.

That's because human morality is always evolving. It has nothing to do with any God. Now in many parts of the world gay relationship have become main stream for example. During bi local times as we're to be stoned. In fact these people were so barbaric that they truly believe that stoning their disobedient children to death was the right thing. These are the people whose actions you are trying to justify because they wrote it down in a book and said sonme God they imagined told them to write it.

felixomor:
Because Jesus Christ has come.
To accomplish the perfect redemption.

Simple...

You believe that God sacrificed his son for humanity which is a very great sin according to the muslims. Let me hear you complain when Islamic militants go about cutting your necks for Allah. They are doing the work of Allah the creator of the universe just as you guys beleive all the genoicdal fools in the bible were doing.

randomperson:
Stop comparing human beings to robots. Robots don't feel either physical or emotional pain. They don't have families who love them. Or does your god see u as a robot?? Answer this please.

And, so because some of those countries use their kids kids for ritual, it's okay if God kills those kids?? Just like KingEbukasblog, you're basically saying two wrongs make a right. BTW, even your god accepted a Human as burnt offering, so...

Again, children killed by the Israelites are not murder criminals. Or the two and three year olds that were killed as directed by god were guilty of some grievous offenses??

I feel like am arguing with Osama bin laden

Forget this people. He is here talking about child sacrifice when the same God ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son unto him. The same God that sacrificed his own son unto himself to allegedly give humans a path way to salvation is the ones these deluded ones are saying had the right to kill the children of others for child sacrifice. Nonsense.

felixomor:
Quiet, dont be in a hurry.

Now, if u make a robot to follow your instructions and then it starts to follow other instructions, what will u do to the robot?

Asides that, do you know many of the people that were killed by God in the OT were using their kids as human rituals to baal?

Are u aware?
Is that how God designed man to function?
Besides, u just said sentencing a murder criminal is not murder.
So what is your problem?

Allah did not create you to function that way to. You believe he is 3 in one which is the most unforgivable sin evee. When he sends BH to you just know that he is sending his people to carry out justice against you because that was not why he created you. He created you to be his loyal slave.

The same God that told Abraham to sacrifice his son unto him.

So why is it that christians and Jews do not go about slaughtering people that sacrifice their own kids in today's world?

The same William Lane Craig that is on record to have said that maybe God did not tell the Israelites to commit all those atrocities but they just wrote it down themselves in his debate with Eddy Tabash. This man is a Joke.

If we are to go by his divine command theory then there is no need frowning at Islamic terrorist afee all they are carrying out the will of Allah and his judgement on the infidel nations.

KingEbukasBlog:
Is that all ? . Please be sure that is all

If that is all , then let's open a new in the morning and discuss the moral argument

Yes just a little addition. The reason why morality is subjective is because there is no common moral law that ALL humans agree to. Morality is a man-made concept that is defined by the society you live in; it is subjective. The multiplication table for example is objective. 5×5 is 25 all over the world and all humans agree with that. It is objective, same can not be said of morality.

We continue tomorrow.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exodus 6:2–3
I revealed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as Ēl Shaddāi, but was not known to them by my name, Yahweh.

Na the same bible talk am

Scholars have told you what it is , yet you are fixated on that particular perspective because it supports your view . Why not scrutinize that perspective alongside other perspectives ?

The bible was a work in progress. The different writers with their different perspectives and views of God all came up and edited or formed the bible to suit their ideas and beliefs about what ever God they had in mind. Remember that even the exodus story as it appears in the bible was written in a span of 400 years according to the scholar you alluded to. These stories were written, re-written and edited.Then we have the English version to read where most things are lost in translation. You are also right that other perspectives should be scrutinized.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its your opinion .

For me , it was easy to understand . I actually discovered it myself because I read that people shared the same view with me .

How is Allah the same with Yahweh? How us Allah the same with Brahma? You just keep repeating things that are not true. These Gods do not even have the same attributes so how are they the same? Tell me. Telling me that that is what you feel is not a valid point.

1. If God does not exist , objective moral values and duties do not exist

Objective moral values and duties do not exist so God does not exist.

2. Objective moral values and duties do exist

Its a lie they don't.

3. Therefore, God exists

Objective moral values and duties do not exist. Morality is a human creationand concept. All moral codes of conduct are man made that is why morality varies from place to place and within period in history. Morality must be learned. It is not set in stone and is always evolving. Humans must teach themselves morality, fine tune it and accep it based on many factors. Objective morality does not exist anywhere since morality is a man made creation. Let me give you a good example. We can use the muslims endearment to sharia law. According to about 2 billion muslims the sharia is the most objective moral system in the world that was passed down by the creator of the universe himself unto mankind and as such there is no moral system better than it. Is the sharia system objective to you? Who created the sharia system? Your answer to these questions are needed. Answer them and don't run away from it pls.

And please if Moral relativism is your rebuttal don't bother to respond bro

You dishonestly want me not to debunk the trash you have up there with that copout.

https://www.nairaland.com/501927/evolution-yahweh-god-jews

This link will help.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm already tired of repeating myself . One God different concepts in different religions and philosophical positions

That's because what you are saying is completely not true. It has no basis in reality.

Lol . Who debunked what arguments You debunked the moral argument ?

There is no tenable argument whatsoever against those 4 arguments . They still stand . There are others too .

I think you should watch Christian apologists defend these 4 arguments . No atheist whatsoever have debunked anything

Please a universe that created itself is a stupid theory that exposes the foolishness of atheists .

Infinite chains of causes cannot explain anything . Its foolish escape route by atheists .

State the moral argument let me debunk it in 10 mins

KingEbukasBlog:
El and Yahweh were the same God not different Gods . The Levites worshipped the God Yahweh, while the Israelite tribes worshipped the God of Canaan: El. Once the Levites arrived on the scene, the tribes needed to make a decision as to which God they would worship Yahweh or El. They could have decided to worship both, in the manner of the pagan peoples around them who worshipped more than one god. They could have developed a mythology in which Yahweh was the son of El, or El the son of Yahweh, just as the pagans did when they said that Ba’al was the son of El. Alternatively, they could have decided to worship only El or only Yahweh. Instead, the tribes decided that El and Yahweh were one, in essence saying, “the same God by a different name.”

http://www.reformjudaism.org/exodus-not-fiction

Cant you see the difference in the first sentence? The early Israelites worshipped the God of Canaan while the levites worship Yahweh. Is it not the same bible that warned the people never to worship the Canaanite God? What are you saying?

KingEbukasBlog:
Well, because God is outside religion . Not everyone sees the bible as the word of God or inerrant . Even so many Christians take the bible as an allegory , the entire bible .

Which God is outside religion? The virtual God you just created in your head abi? Gods can not exist outside religion because religions gave birth to the Gods at least the Gods of theism. Allah can not exist outside Islam because the Koran says Allah has chosena religion for humanity and the religion is Islam. So how can Allahexist outside Islam? Even Jesus can not exist outside christianity because followers of Jesus are to act like him according to the tradition based on some principles.

But the basic principles of Christianity still stand

*Creation was made by God

*God is three consubstansial hypothases

*Salvation through Christ is the key to eternal life

There could be more but I can't think of more - I'm just worn to a frazzle .


Not everyone is concerned about what the Hebrews did or what they faced . Its only during debates these issues are brought up . They don't affect God's existence .

Atheists know that they can't stand those 4 superior arguments that's why they attempt to limit God to religion .

Everything written inside the bible matters when it comes to the Christian idea of God. It is a fact regardless of how much you disagree.

Those arguments are not superior arguments. They have been debunked already. I alone have debunked the moral argument.

KingEbukasBlog:
Yeah , the interview is really interesting . You'll hear the truth from the Jews because its their book and language . Not that the Christians tell lies , its more like misinformation due to false translations .

Christians tell a lot of lies when it concerns the bible. That's why the Jews are always laughing at them. Listen to people like Rabbi Wolpe. These are professors of Hebrew language and history. They will tell you clearly that the exodus is non history. Some American christian that doesn'tknow a word in Hebrew will publish a book telling you that archeologist found some chariots believed to be that of the Egyptians in the red Sea, when the reality is that no body even knows which side of the red Sea Moses and the Israelites followed during the exodus accroding to the bible. Jewish rabbis will tell you that there is no way Moses could have writtenanything inside the bible because some parts of exodus as a book was written on proto Hebrew which is a Canaanite language. The writing styles differ a lot. Some parts of the book of exodus was written down like 600 years before any part of Genesis was ever written down. But crazy American christian apologist will insist and formulate ridiculous theories as to why Moses must be the authour of the first five books of the bible.

But the guy is not a Jew oo . He is a bible scholar who has studied the Jewish culture for a long long time .

Seun's story is false . Its obvious . He must have read in an atheist site I think .

Its funny how you atheists don't get critical or skeptical about anything that denigrates God or supports your wish .

Nairaland Atheist thinking

Does it discredit Christianity and God ?

Yes

Therefore , it must be true

Seun's story is not completely false. It is party true. Israel Frankenstein a professor of Archaeology and Jewish history who is also a Jew himself also supports part of what Seun wrote down. The early Hebrews were polytheist who had their roots in Canaan. El is the Canaanite God. Elohim the plural of El appears so many times inside the bible. El, Baal,Yahweh, we're all different Gods the early Hebrews worshipped but they later setteled for one. The bible still has traces of all this. The English bible is nonsense. Most of all.these things are lost in translation.

KingEbukasBlog:
Seun , how about responding to these four arguments . I'm sure you are aware of them than always trying to limit God to religion because it enables you to attack or assume God as false.

On Twitter , I don't even focus on the bible or religion . Its strictly based on these four arguments .

Why are you afraid of focusing on the bible. Is it because you know that the bible is false? The Kalam cosmological argument was first put forth by a muslim in support of Allah and not some obsured God. How does the cosmological argument prove that God sacrificed himself to save humanity from himself in the person of Jesus?

You guys have started running away from your Gods as protrayed in your religious books and have started embracing the deist idea that has no identity, form or shape. You are now embracing some virtual God instead of the traditional God since you know that it is fake.

You guys are jokers. That is what your father William Craig does. He tries to play football without the ball. He claims he is going to show that the evidence supports the existence of God and by God he means the God of the bible but he'll tell you he is also not going to discuss the bible in his debates. He is just going to dwell on this points that you listed. During the course of the debates he's sometimes forced to defend the bible and he drops very outlandish statements.

During his debate with Eddy Tabash he was forced to talk about the old Testament atrocities as part of His moral arguments and his response was that God did not tell the Jews to write most of those things they wrote inside the bible. He said maybe they made it all up and said God told them to write it. But this is the same person that belongs to an evangelical group that claims that the bible is the inerrant word of God.

The games you guys always play. Defend the God you are talking about which is the God of the bible, you guys won't. Instead you'll go about defending some virtual God concept that is not even the one you believe in. That is why I truly respect muslims and YEC.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is false and here is the real story :

http://www.reformjudaism.org/exodus-not-fiction

I found this link very interesting. Even from the link it cam be seen that most of what we have been saying about the bible is true. So the exodus story that appears inside the bible was written 400 years apart from very different sources . The person clearly admitted that part of the story was just made up. He claims the biblical number of 600k men is not true or historical. That is why I love the Jews they don't tell lies like christians. Rabbi Boteach also said that the creation stories in Genesis 1 and 2 are 200 years apart. The story in Genesis 2 was written 200 years before the story in Genesis one. Some American christian apologist that doesn't know a word in Hebrew and knows nothing about Hebrew history will publish books telling you that Moses wrote genesis and the Exodus. I disagree with a lot of what the guy wrote but I found the interview very interesting.

Anas09:
Okay. Now.that everyone knows am a she male, why not face the challenge of a real man? Agree to meet 4everGod3.

Dullardchicken. Where can he meet you? Noise making homosexual Coward.

Why should I agree to meet someone that I don't want to meet? If we meet there is nothing he can do to me.

Anas09:
Hmmm, my gender is a great.concern to you oo. Why are you more concerned that me? I am a fully grown sh male. Stop envisaging me and releasing on yoursef.

You wish. I know you've been hiding your identity for so long. Am just letting every body know who you are.

Anas09:
Liar liar pants on fire. Will you agree? You actually think i expect you to.admit its you?

OK it's me. What next? Will it change your nature as a rejected she male?

Anas09:
So, all your effort has been to triump over Naijadeyhia, ehn Dalaman? I change my mind. This is not AyahateGod, its Dalaman

She male shut up! Am not 4everGod4.