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4everGod:
I have already answered this when answering PastorAIO so let me post it again

Gosh...Why all this nonsense in the name of holding an argument. You see what you wish at face value and nothing more.

Forgiveness is in 2 forms

Forgiveness by/from men which brings spiritual/emotional healing in each individual or collectively/

Then there is Gods forgiveness which is tied to the forgiveness of Men and this was why Jesus when he was teaching the Lords prayer said

AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THEM WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US...A trespass is an offence or cause to sin or affliction or persecution)

When we forgive men God forgives us but when we do not then we hold unforgiveness in our heart and this is an evnue through which the devil can use to make us loose out on the promises of God.

Man can forgive sin carried out to him by another man but his forgiveness only justifies the one who forgave and not the recipient because the recipient still has his role to play twofold by seeking forgiveness from the one he offended and also from God who ultimately Justifies him.

What is this rigmarole? The passage clearly says that if you forgive men their sins, their sins will be forgiven, if you don't forgive them their sins, their sins will not be forgiven and you are here chasing after your long tail.

4everGod:
I have already answered this when answering PastorAIO so let me post it again

Gosh...Why all this nonsense in the name of holding an argument. You see what you wish at face value and nothing more.

Forgiveness is in 2 forms

Forgiveness by/from men which brings spiritual/emotional healing in each individual or collectively/

Then there is Gods forgiveness which is tied to the forgiveness of Men and this was why Jesus when he was teaching the Lords prayer said

AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THEM WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US...A trespass is an offence or cause to sin or affliction or persecution)

When we forgive men God forgives us but when we do not then we hold unforgiveness in our heart and this is an evnue through which the devil can use to make us loose out on the promises of God.

Man can forgive sin carried out to him by another man but his forgiveness only justifies the one who forgave and not the recipient because the recipient still has his role to play twofold by seeking forgiveness from the one he offended and also from God who ultimately Justifies him.

What is this rigmarole? The passage clearly says that if you forgive

DoctorAlien:
While many Jews erroneously held the belief that infirmities come only to sinners(or children of sinners), some still knew that such an idea was wrong.

The paralytic man brought to Jesus for healing had lived a very sinful life up till that moment. He engaged in a life of immorality. And so at the point where his friends brought him before Jesus, he was in need of both spiritual and physical healing. Seeing the sinful state of the man's heart, and the faith of his friends in what He could do, Jesus forgave the paralytic man his sins. He then healed his body.

James, speaking about sick people, said "if they have sinned..." The if there means that there is a possibility that they might not have sinned. Of course we know that righteous people fall sick too. James encouraged Christians to confess their faults to those they offended, and then enjoined the offended to forgive their fellow men, just as Christ directed.

GOD alone is the one who ultimately forgives and removes sin, as 1 Jn. 1:9 states.

The part in bold is a lie. Jesus told his desciples that they have the.power to forgive sins.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven John 20:21-23

HCpaul:
Lol..... If at all that dead Jewish son of Mary is still coming back at all

Please how did your journey into atheism begin?

Happy new year KingEbukasBlog. Wishing you a prosperous new year ahead.

MrMarvelous:
Isn't it funny that they even said humans have an objective purpose, but they've not been able to say it for days now? I mean you've been asking them for the universally accepted purpose of humans on earth, and they can't answer it...because they know we're right. u dey try sha.

They are all clowns that love clowning.

4everGod:
My brother his dishonesty makes skyscrappers look like bungalows. Everybody can see that he was bobbing and weaving so much in this argument he was making deliberate dishonest and ignorant comments everwhere. Records do not lie and those records show that he lied...

DoctorAlien:
It's very disgusting, to say the least.

Keep patting each other on the back. Both of you are empty.

DoctorAlien:
I believe everybody can see who's dishonest here.

After a house Is built it can it can be left without a purpose. But purpose is needed to build a house in the first place. You can not just keep putting blocks ontop of each other without purpose. To build a house you need to puposefully put one block ontop of the other, purposely leave space for Windows, purposely build rooms, purposely create roof etc. You need purpose to bulk a house without upper you can't build a house in the first place. You can run along because you are empty.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is not biological life form so It is neither male or female - genderless

Its an attribution of an anthropomorphic characteristic of a male

According to the writers of the bible God told them he's a he. Were they lying?

DoctorAlien:
Very coherent and consistent:



Cc: 4everGod

Don't be dishonest. You asked me if you can build a house and leave it and I said you can. Now you are dishonestly trying to make it seem as if I said something different. Run along you are empty.

DoctorAlien:
You're certified confused.

Or dishonest.

You can now go.

Can you build a house without a purpose? You can run away. You are empty.

KingEbukasBlog:
That is a true atheist That is true atheism

He is now exhibiting nihilistic thoughts .

Dalaman the nihilist , is suicide knocking at thy door ?

Atheism indeed has devastating effects on the brain .

Life has purpose and the purpose of life IS WHAT EVER YOU CHOSE TO MAKE OF IT. Life has no universally accepted human purpose. The purpose of life is subjective and not objective if you deny it then Plssssss tell me the objective purpose of human life that has universal acceptance.

DoctorAlien:
Why are you speaking from both sides of your mouth?

Are you now confused?

After building a house you can leave it and it won't serve any purpose. But you need purpose to construct the house.

4everGod:
I have already answered using your house with purpose analogy. Go back to where i answered and read it again. From now on end OYO is your case. You can argue with yourself all night for all i care. Your true self has evolved!

You said the pupose of humans is to replenish the earth? Are you mad? Is that the objective purpose of humans on earth? Do all human beings agree to it? You are empty.

DoctorAlien:
You agreed that I can build a house with which I intend to do nothing. I can finish building the house today, and tomorrow forget that I even built such a house.

Your purpose argument is defeated.

To build a house you need purpose. Without it you can't build the house in the first place so how have you defeated my argument?

4everGod:
Ladies and Gentlemen you are witnessing tonight the Birth of a true Atheist called Dalaman WHO NOW BELIEVES THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PURPOSE TO ANYTHING ON THE EARTH OR OUTSIDE OF IT. NO PURPOSE TO THE TREES, THE SUN, THE WIND, THE RAIN, THE BIRDS, THE TREES, THE PLANTS AND ULTIMATELY NO PURPOSE TO HUMANS.

He has evolved

What is the objective purpose of human beings on earth? Why can'tyou answer?

4everGod:
Dalaman you need to go back to school seriously. Your horns of ignorance have become full blown antlers. Have you never in your life heard about rhe phrase "THE CIRCLE OF LIFE"?

Everything depends on another to survive Without man on earth, the earth would implode! It would fall apart and eventually eliminate itself.

Read up

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/earth-without-people

Without humans earth will still remain. Earth was in existence for billions of years without humans in it so what are you saying?

DoctorAlien:
Good, so your argument that houses must be built with purpose is defeated. You have agreed that a house can be constructed with no purpose for it.

What again were you saying?

It is not. When building a house you must have a purpose. That is to build something that will can stand, something that will not fall on you as you are buidling it, something that can accomodate, humans or their things. Something that has space, rooms, etc. You need purpose and sense of direction to build a house.

You can not jut start putting block ontop of block.with no purpose and a sense of direction. When you do that you can create a wall or something and not a house.

4everGod:
Chai now you are shifting to asteroids? So much dishonesty in one person

We ate talking about things in nature. What is the purpose of the mountain leopard? What is the purpose of Mount everest? What the purpose of volcanic mountains? What is the purpose of a whale? What about the pupose of a lion and crocodiles? What is the purpose of a rainbow? What about all the dwarf planets in our solar system like Pluto? What is their purpose?

DoctorAlien:
So I can no longer bring out my own money and command that a house be built, for which I have no purpose?

You can. But it will be an anomaly. Most people will look at you as a foolish person as a result because normally people build houses for the purpose of sheltering them and their things.

What is the purpose of humans on earth?

DoctorAlien:
So I can no longer bring out my own money and command that a house be built, for which I have no purpose?

You can do that but it will be an anomaly. Basically when you talk of a house , you are talking about a something constructed by humans to serve as shelter for them and their things. House have universal objective purposes.

What is the objective purpose of humans on earth?

DoctorAlien:
I can construct a house with no purpose for it. What are you saying?

A house by definition is a shelter. You can.construct a house and not use it for anything for sure. But houses as we know serve a pur pose which is to shelter humans. That is the objective purpose of houses worldwide to shelter humans. What is the objective purpose of human beings?

4everGod:
Who constructs a humans house? Humans!

For what purpose? To give them shelter

Who created humans? Someone with purpose and consciousness!

What is the purpose? To nurture and replenish the earth!

Even you ought to know this.

There is purpose in everything! If there is purpose behind the construction of an inanimate house then surely there is purpose behind a living beings existence.

Do you now want to sound like Grizzlybear who said there is no purpose to anything?

What is the purpose of human beings? To nurture and replenish which earth? Is that the purpose of human beings? The earth can and has existed without humans. Take the whole of humanity away and the earth will continue to function. There will be day and night, rains, seasons, earthquake, hurricanes, ttsunamis, volcanic eruptions etc.

What is the purpose of humans on earth? A house has a purpose which is to serve as a shelter. That is an objective purpose that everybody every where agrees to. What is the objective purpose of humans on earth that everybody agrees to? What is it? Tell me.

KingEbukasBlog:
I was just observing .

You guys bad oo

When I first came online I thought the theists and atheists switched arguments

I saw Dalaman screaming consciousness and purpose ... I was shocked

It takes a consious mind with direction and purpose to construct a human house because he wants to construct something to shelter him from many things .what are asteroids created for?

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman , so they use you scrub ground

You wish.

4everGod:
He wouldnt. He kept hammering on consciousness and purpose being behind non complexity but when it came to him then there is no purpose and consciousness behind his complexity.

Chai Chai Chai... This is a record high on the scale of ignorance

A human house is constructed to shelter humans. So there must be a purpose and direction behind it because it was constructed to serve a purpose. What is a human being created for? Pls tell me.

jimmyjenseng:
Pls bro, stop wasting your time explaining something so simple, my 2yrs old niece can grasp immediately. It's obvious that he doesn't and won't get it.

Na so. Just playing their games bro.

DoctorAlien:
There is a logical fallacy called "affirming the consequent." It goes like this: if A, then B. B, therefore A. e.g. If Smith testifies against Jones in court, Jones would be found guilty. Jones was found guilty. Therefore Smith must have testified. (for what it's worth, Jones could have been convicted without Smith's testimony).

Just replace:

Smith with Humans

Testifies with Mix some sand and stones and and dig some ground and hit some nails in a particular manner

Jones would be found guilty with a house appears.

Explain to me how a desert wind in synergy with sand can construct a human house.

4kings:
I don't think he understood what you were trying to point out...
You guys argued for pages. OMG

He just wants to argue for nothing this 4everGod. It's obvious since you can see through his shenanigans. But am enjoying him and his ways. Am begining to like him he's a clown.

4everGod:
You have been so myopic all along. I have been diving deeper than you could even bring yourself to. You are using modern times to talk about evolutionary processes. No be mumu talk be dat?

We are talking about a human house and how it can be constructed by random desert winds and not evolution.

4everGod:
In your village those days how many houses were constructed with doors or lintel or the roofing you know today? How many of them had toilets within?

Like i said , you are myopically seeing a house as the one you know today and that explains your ignorant argument. If you say man evolved which is your position then how was the first "house" that the early men lived in built? What did they know as their "house" way back then? Is it the one you know today?

Did they even build houses since you mentioned purpose.

Bla bla bla sheep.

A desert winds can not build a hut. End of story.

4kings:
This ends the argument.
Dalaman is talking about "human house" not just any shelter.

This clown 4everGod has been jumping from pillar to post. From cave to whatever. I just dey laugh.