₦airaland Forum

winner01:
Story for the gods! How many times do you want me to explain this point to you before you get it

Explain which point? All you do is keep saying that Jesus and his disciples suffered worse and I always tell you that why pray to a God for protection that fails to defend and protect his most loyal disciples. If tell early disciples of Jesus for example died young and were burned alive according to the church narrative without God saving them then why should the same God save Nigerian Christians from being killed by the slaves of Allah? If he refused to answer the prayers of the early disciples then why should he answer yours?

You think the God that refused to answer the prayers of the Christians that were burned alive in Jos on Sunday while praying and calling unto their God for help and to rescue them inside the church but failed them will protect and save you when you do same when you are in danger or distress abi?

You must be joking.

Hakeem12:
Yeah. My extended family are all Christians. Throughout high school, I went to church with my cousin, Christ apostolic church. But my cousin was the first to even renounce religion then, says it's ridiculous. I didn't even have the courage to do back then, till university. He was treated like an outcast when he told his folks. He should just have played along and pretended. Now his siblings are being protected by his parents from him, saying he has sold his soul to the devil.

OK, I noticed that you talk like an ex Christian that was why I asked.

Hakeem12:
Yeah, I even found it more amusing than the bible, especially when I read some hadiths by Bukhari and others. To be frank, I have read these books more than most religious people, and the more I read, the more ridiculous it becomes. I was born into a Muslim home, I can speak fluent Arabic so reading and understanding the Koran was no big deal. But then I started reading the bible too and it was no better. From the story of creation, to revelation, it's all mythology. The songs of Solomon is basically an erotica written by someone who was high on fermented palmwine. Religion is a joke.

Did you at any time practice Christianity?

Hakeem12:
The thing that still baffles me is how people read those books and believe most of the ridiculous contents. It shows to prove how a lot of people have decided to shut their brain to reason when it comes to religion.

Or the Koran. Muslims consider the Koran to be the most complete book in the whole world. A book filled with totally mythical and fictitious narratives.

winner01:
It does not show what you think it shows. It only shows that prayers are not inconsistent with the existence of God.

It does, unless if your God is not what you guys claim it is. You claim it is all loving, kind, God of Justice that answer prayers bla bla bla.

Why should Nigerians pray to God for protection if he can not protect those that were killed inside the church on Sunday in Plateau state while they were calling onto him for help and according to the bible he was there with them.

If your God can not protect his loyal disciples and allowed them to be killed as you said the disciples of Jesus were killed then why are people wasting time calling onto him for help when in danger and distress? Again it shows that prayers are totally useless.

If you disagree the show me how prayers are useful to Nigerians that are in danger or in distress.

Shut up Ortom! Why will they defend you when you are doing things that are indefensible? Your ties and refusal to openly condemn Buhari by chosing him over your people makes it hard for them to defend you.

Am sad my two countries have been knocked out of the world cup. I expected Nigeria and Germany (my two nations) to go far.

paxonel:
if God chooses not to answer does not mean he cannot answer.

Our fate of success or failure is in our hands does not mean that there are no supernaturalz .

Your inability to perceive whether God exist or not is only restricted to your perception, so like the agnostics you atheists don't have any say

Why will a God that is in a personal relationship with people allow their enemies to enter into his presence ( according to the bible, where two or 3 are gathered in his name he is there with them) and kill them off gruesomely while they were screaming and calling unto his name for help. Some of them were burnt alive. Tell me why a God that exist will allow that to happen to his alleged children whom we are told he loves.

winner01:
I don't think any of those Christians were killed in ways more gruesome than any of Christ's disciples. So?

My point exactly. If your God can not save his most loyal disciples then why waste time praying to it to save you?

Why are Nigerians wasting time praying to God to give them victory over their enemies and in their daily endeavors if he can not help his most loyal disciples assuming the stories about the disciples of Jesus is true.

It's shows that prayers when in distress or danger are totally useless and a waste of time.

paxonel:
but the question I'm asking is, why will Nigerians pray that eagles should win when they already know that God will never answer their prayer?

Why can't they just accept that if Nigeria had won, it would have been fate and not a miracle?

A God that didn't answer the prayers of those christians that were killed inside churches by the terrorist Fulanis as they were worshipping him last Sunday in Jos can not and will never hear the prayers of the Nigerian national football team.

sparog:
I agree if you talk about cultism in d south but at least if you are careful you can still avert strikes from cultist unlike in d north when one minute everything is calm and the next minute people are killing each other, even your neighbors can kill you for flimsy reasons.

I agree, the north is more volatile. But when it comes to killings southerners kill themselves more due to cultism.

sparog:
I've always said it and will continue saying it

It's not about religion

But I think people from the north are predisposed to this kinda behavior

It's not their religion that makes Dem do it, it's d fact that an average northerner do not value human life

Any small thing na to fight and kee people

Dialogue no dey dere matter

Southerners kill themselves more than notherners. The average cult clash in the south is responsible for more death than that of fulani herdsmen but it is always unreported or underreported. Cultism and killing is part of the life of those living in the south.

Nigeria has gone to the dogs.

Primesky:
I've never seen a bigger lie! But for the few believers in Christ Jesus praying all over the world, you won't be here making this comment!.

The light of the world and the salt of the earth (Christians) are actually the ones keeping the devil at bay. Even politicians know the place and effect of prayers for the nation. How many times have this nation escaped total war?. You're very ungrateful!. May God have mercy on such as you. You have never truly encountered warfare prayers with dark forces, otherwise, you will want to always pray. May God open your eyes.

Prayers made according to God's will, open doors, shatter Barriers and frees captives.

I've told you many times to stop telling lies.

How have the prayers constantly offered by Nigerians solved any of Nigeria's problems?

Hope you know that some of the victims that were killed on Sunday were attacked I churches as they were praying and worshiping? How did they prayers save them? You remai a liar. Stop telling lies always.

Primesky:
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

I'm amazed that people who haven't seen anything, will categorically say there's no God. Where have you been to, what exactly do you know?

How much of the vast ocean of space do you know?. Only 5% of the ocean of the world you live in has been explored. What have you seen?.

The whole world in which you live in is so insignificant compared to the large universal bodies. How big is your sense to reason out this things?. Worst of all, you say all things as big and organised as they are came of their own accord. They just pup up out of nothing and began to arrange themselves with laws that have stood for many generations?.

Men who have no significant work of research whatsoever attached to their names will come up and say there's no God!. The Sun is three hundred million times bigger than the earth, and yet the Sun is no way near the size of some stars. So how dare you think to be too big to know it all?. What do you know?. Can your little brain handle the truth?. The thunder and lightning, the oceans and the creatures in them, the mountains and the forests, the giant balls of fire above, the hail and snow, the wind and fire. Do you mean all these just appeared out of nothing?. Who are these that confuse themselves with the lies of the devil and think themselves to be wise?. Can you argue with your maker?. What a pity!. Every computer identifies its maker, but man who claims to know it all, cannot!. You make things and attach user manuals to them. But that which the almighty attached to you, you have rejected and you're still chasing shadows, looking for what exactly?.

If there's no God, then you don't exist!. Otherwise tell me how you came about?. How come all these years no one has been able to think it out or figure it out?.

Everything man needs to know is in the Bible!. If you reject it, confusion is all you will ever find. There's no one athiest at peace, no, not one!. The God factor in them keep turbing their hearts. They wish they could find something, but they're looking in the wrong direction and hence can find nothing!. They keep trolling everything about God, yet they can't seem to know why. Return to your maker!.

Jesus Christ is the way!

Your ignorance is God. That's all you are saying.

Hakeem12:




[font=Serif][color=#F5A215] It began with being realistic and asking questions, religious people don't like you asking them questions. It makes them uncomfortable, they tell you to take on by faith what they can't find in their twisted ancient books. Each religion claims to be the only path to an imaginary heaven, which is bullshiit by the


. For a believer to repeat a single prayer line dozens of time and still have no assurance of answered prayers is pitiful at most.[/color]

These parts are so relevant and true.

"There are more fundamental questions that need to be asked. Why does God exist? How can this complex and infinitely intelligent being exist without an explanation? Why did he create the universe or anything at all? Why did he choose to be invisible and undetectable?

We don't have reasonable explanations for any of those questions. We are just told that "God is mysterious". I don't see that as admirable. I see that as an admission that the idea of a God is full of holes and it is by no means the best explanation we have". -A .G

Primesky:
I will tell you the truth!. Without Jesus Christ, you have no life. It's when you cross this veil of flesh will you truly understand it. Stop playing with the opportunity you have. Many lost souls are crying for just one minute opportunity to repent and recieve the Salvation of God, but it's already too late for them now. But they had their chance. You have your chance now. But pride and arrogance won't let you.

I hope you know what eternity means?. Once you're lost, you're lost forever!. It's not 1billion years after, but lost forever. So don't take the grace and patience of God for granted. God won't lose a thing, He won't stop being God, neither will anything be removed from Him if you go to hell. It's your choice.

Assuming our clothes have a will and choice to decide whether to be washed or to be left alone. You can not wear a dirty clothe no matter how much you love it. It has to be washed and be made clean. But if the clothe chooses not to because of the processes involved, it will not be allowed into the wardrobe or box where other clothes are kept. It's about choice. If you don't accept Christ and let His blood cleanse you, despite the fact that God loves you so much, you won't enter heaven. Time is of the essence. Tomorrow is not in your hands.

Jesus Christ is the way!.

Keep quiet liar and propagetor of mythology and fictional hypothesis. Nothing you've said is true.

spartan117:
Let's not derail this thread anymore.
Just remember that Jesus Christ will always love you.

If Jesus loves me you won't be the one telling me.

spartan117:
Israel have a very famous prayer wall where they pray, and they build weapons to defend themselves just as they've done since the time of Moses.

The Nigerian Christian is prayerful and also apply effort into their chosen field because the Bible says prayer without works is dead.this is why preachers like apostle Suleiman have advocated self defense.

So why blame Christianity for all the ills in the society when the evidence points otherwise?

Why have you let hatred cloud your judgement?

I ask again; Why do you so much hate the wonderful merciful saviour, Jesus Christ?

If calling out your delusions is what you call hatred then so be it.

Did Goodluck Jonathan not go to the wall in Israel to pray close to the 2015 elections? He did, yet he lost.

The wall is NOT what is protecting Israel but their advanced weapons.

The Muslims have the masjid Alaqsar there but it can't protect them from superior Israeli weapons.

Jesus is a legandary figure. I can't hate him. I can only question people like you that buy into the legendary folklore. If you consider it as hate them so be it.

spartan117:
You keep mocking him and trying to ridicule his church, yet you claim he's just imaginary

You claim he doesn't exist ok, then why do you expend so much energy criticizing his followers

what are you trying to save us from?
The reason why I'll preach to you is because I feel that without Jesus Christ you will go to hell because your soul is not saved

.but the atheist feels that there is no life after death so there is no hell to fear, so there is no point preaching to Christians trying to get us to change our beliefs.

But you vehemently oppose anything Christian and exhibit strong concentrated hatred towards Christ.
To what end

I ask once again: why do you hate Jesus Christ.

I don't and can't hate any Christ because he is an imaginary and legendary figure.

I see Christians relying on mythical tales about Jesus to delude themselves and I call them out. Instead of telling people to defend themselves against the fulanis killers or offering workable solutions , OP is telling people to come and pray for 21 days. That's delusion because some of the over 200 people that were killed on Sunday were killed inside the church as the were praying and worshipping.

That's delusion. Anything that Nigerians need to do must be done by Nigerians themselves. Jesus can not save Nigerians from Fulani herdsmen terrorist no.matter how much they pray to him.

If Israel does NOT rely on praying to Yahweh for their security and defence, then why should Nigeria?

spartan117:
I see.
But I've observed your posts on this religion section and I can say that about 90% of your posts are aimed at attacking Christianity and Jesus christ.

It makes one wonder if you are an atheist or just another anti-Christ. And this is the attitude that most atheists on this forum exhibit.

So why do you hate Jesus Christ?
I'm curious to know.

I don't hate Jesus Christ because he is imaginary. I always question those that make empty claims about him and what they claim he can do.

If you feel Ibhate Jesus just report me to him and tell him to shut me up.

GentlePEACE:
Christians need to start ignoring unbelievers(antichrist). I have come to understand one thing, Christians all over the world are the most persecuted, just like the time of Jesus, what is most important is that, we need not to doubt our God in any way. Even Jesus felt like he was abadoned, until the final victory (resurrection). Dont quote whoever doubt your faith. The atheist are only concerned about our God(Jehovah), not the islamic god. If they feel there is no God or gods, they should try and destroy babalawo altar, then they will see power. There is God, i've seen his manifesting power through me. My brothers in Christ, hold on to God stedfastly for our dear Nation.

Hold onto which God? All your Gods in Nigeria have abandoned you despite your endless prayers, seed sowing, tithe paying and all. They are all imaginary and can never help you. Things keep getting worse in Nigeria for Nigerians despite their endless prayers. Nigeria just yesterday was declared as the country with the highest number of people living in abject poverty, Nigeria just over took India. India with over 1.1 billion people has about 73 million of its citizens living in abject poverty while Nigeria now has 87 million out of its population of about 190 million living in abject poverty. Nigeria is now the poverty capital of the world. Yet people like you keep telling people to rely on imaginary beings to help them solve their problems.

Boko Haram was not degraded through prayers, the herdsmen will not.

Even Israel the owners of the Yahweh idea that was passed onto you through the white slave owners do NOT rely on Yahweh and prayers for protection against the terrorist slaves of Allah. They spend a lot of their resources both human and financial on how to develop advance weaponry that will protect them. They don't rely on the mythical biblical tales of Yahweh stopping the sun from moving so that some ancient Israelis can kill their enemies as written in ancient mythological stories, they vigorously rely on science to help them defend themselves while deluded Africans like you keep wallowing in empty and delusional mythological tales. Prayer has never and will never solve the problems of any country. No country has ever prayed it's way out of its problems and non will ever do that. Prayers are useless. That is the fact and reality.

You think the Yahweh that failed to protect the Christians that were worshipping him inside the churches in Plateau state on Sunday will help you guys because you decided to pray to him for 21 days as the OP suggested abi? Keep deluding yourselves.

Oracle16:
I still don't understand why you are threatened by prayer. You don't believe there's a God, why not believe what you believe and move on, why are so confused.Why is affecting you? What do you loose when people pray?

You are telling people to gather and delude themselves with imaginary and wishful thought instead of taking rightful actions that will preserve their lives.

Prayers will NEVER change their lot. Remember many of them were praying in churches when they were slaughtered. I have every reason to call people out when I see them deluding themselves.

Oracle16:
Lol.Funny you. You don't believe in God, yet you took your time to type this newspaper just to discourage people from praying. If you believe prayers don't work, why do you feel threatened when you see threads like this.If truly you don't believe in God, you won't even bring out your time to discourage His people,especially when you have nothing to loose. It's either you are sick or you are on a mission, but whichever Jesus can heal you.

You and I know you believe in God, but your master Satan has sent you on a mission to deceive people. Note this,you will always fail because you are destined to fail.I will continue to pray for people like you, until you are free from bondage.

Ogbeni how has your prayers helped all the people that have died in the hands of the terrorist Herdsmen? When I see people deluding themselves I have the right to call them out on it.

Many of them were killed inside the church while worshiping and praying.

If your God exist as advertised you think he'll rely on you to tell me anything about it? Your God exist only inside your head that is why you are telling me about it and trying to make a case for it on its behalf.

21 days prayer as the OP is saying is total nonsense, it will NEVER change anything for the victims of the crisis. Only good actions will.

Primesky:
I will not stop!. For your information, I'm not telling you lies but the absolute truth, which you have refused to believe. Sorry bro, I won't stop!

Who can keep quiet about the good news of the gospel?

Jesus Christ loves you very much!. Do you think you just wake up every morning because you feel like?. It's not by muscle. It's by His grace. Come to Jesus Christ now.

You have no good news only delusion in the mythical narratives of ancient people. You've prayed to your God to change my mind but he failed you as usual. Stop telling me lies.

BroTunjiBanjo:
GOLIATH'S SKELETON DISCOVERED IN JERUSALEM.
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Recent escavation discovery as disclosed the finding of the bone skeleton of "Goliath of Gath", the warlord who was defeated by "David the sepherd boy" who later became great king in Israel as recorded in the book of 1Samuel. Chapter 17.
The skeleton was found in the "Valley of Elah", in the foothills of the Judean mountains the site of the battle. The bones was dated back to about 2900 to 3000 years ago.
The skeleton was about 6.meters long,and weigh about 60.pounds.

Liar! Will you keep quiet? The skeleton was found in your back yard.

spartan117:
I don't get it
Why are you so angry and filled with hatred against God?
You keep acting like he took your candy now you throw tantrums like a 2 year old hoping to get his attention.

I am not angry against any God because there's no God to be angry at. God remains imaginary. I am just telling people that waste their time on such mythical beliefs at their own detriment the reality. If you see it as anger then that's your business.

Instead of taking practical steps to survive OP is busy telling people to engage in 21 days of nonsensical prayers that will never solve anything.

Where the Christians that were killed in the church on Sunday in Jos not praying to their imaginary God to come and help them?

Stop this delusions.

felixomor:
Clown
In your mind,
You are different from killer herdsmen?

You are not.
You sit on nairaland to attack religious people while those ones attack in real life.
Keep your advice for your relatives and those close to u
Nonsense

I spend my time telling deluded religious people like you the fact which is that you are deluded. The deluded OP imagines that a useless 21 days prayers will change things around for the victims of the herdsmen.

I am here to tell him and others like him including you that it is delusion. It will never work. It has never worked. No imaginary God will save the people of the north central from the fulani herdsmen. They have to do what is practical in other to save themselves and end the crisis. Crying, wailing and calling the name of an imaginary God will do NOTHING. That is the FACT OF THE MATTER.

I know you are deluded but I have to tell you the fact of things as they are.
Don't think that the God that was called upon by the Christians that were worshipping him in the churches while they were being slaughtered and burned alive but failed to help them at all on Sunday will save anybody after a very useless 21 days prayers. Such a God remains imaginary and can never act in reality.

Don't accept reality keep dwelling on useless imaginations.

Keep reacting.

Primesky:
OK o. Mr. Worldly wise. See to it yourself. But remember, one day, you will meet with your maker. That's the ultimate day.

Stop telling me lies. Look for something else to do.

I doubt this story. Fulanis can tell lies just to cover up for their useless crimes.