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Aaronsrod:
If the Bible supports slavery then so do I! We Christians must stop being ashamed and clothe ourselves fully in our faith.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBkGNId8jsw

A honest christian here. Winner01, you better learn from him.

Butterflyleo:
Shut up ode. Is freethinking no longer for atheists? Your mumu head does not realise that this is why the atheist community is fuming.

Ogbeni where did DSM-IV said that atheism is a mental illness as you lied? Shameless akuya. Keep telling lies for Jesus he must be very proud of you.

Butterflyleo:
Stop dogding and answer my simple question. I asked you

Your question is totally useless and irrelevant to me. My aim was to show that other christians interprete the verse totally different from you and I've shown that. Go and argue with the holy spirit and them.

Now you want to turn God's nature to future and past events abi? Well done.

Butterflyleo:
Lmao you expect an atheist to post the truth when speaking to me? Lmao

Can you tell me why atheists on reddit are chewing rocks if it wasn't true.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6bprqj/til_nonconformity_and_freethinking_is_officially/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/3sz5dq/nonconformity_and_freethinking_are_now_considered/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kh1tg/nonconformity_and_freethinking_now_considered/

Did I expect budaatum to post the truth? No
Did you expect your felloe atheist to post the truth which is a lie to help massage the deadness of atheism? Yes!

Why not go to reddit and tell them it is a lie and not in the dsm-iv and hear what they will tell you oh ignorant one.

Will you shut up you shameless LIAR!

YOU CLAIMED that DSM-IV said that atheism is a mental illness but nothing like that is said by the DSM-IV. You are a totally shameless liar.

From the link on reddit it says that DSM-IV now qualify a mental disease known as oppositional defiant disorder(ODD)

From the likes you posted from redit it says:

TIL that the latest edition of the DSM (diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders), edited by the American Psychiatric Association added what they now qualify as a new mental disease : ODD, or oppositional defiant disorder.

It is characterized by uncooperative, defiant, negativistic, irritable, and annoying behaviors toward parents, peers, teachers, and other authority figures

On top of ODD, the DSM added New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases.


So ODD is now atheism abi? Keep telling lies for Jesus. He must be very proud of you.

Butterflyleo:
So what is this small portion of Gods nature?

Or have you forgotten so soon that is creation reveals his nature?

So tell me what this small portion of his nature is oh high and mighty ignorant one.

Stop giving me your useless opinion. No where did any of them say that God's back means past events and his face future events like you said. Argue with them and the holy spirit, Mr lie lie.

budaatum:
I checked DSM-IV myself, since you refuse to provide any evidence to support your claim, and neither atheist nor atheism occur once in the entire 886 (915) pages of the document. Nor does freethinking, or unbelieving!

The DSM-IV does include V62.89 Religious & Spiritual Problems and is listed as a category that can be used when the focus of clinical attention is a religious or spiritual problem. Examples include distressing experiences that involve loss or questioning of faith, problems associated with conversion to a new faith, or questioning of spiritual values that may not necessarily be related to an organized church or religious institution.

You actually thought there was anything on the DSM-IV that comes close to the lies and nonsense Butterflyleo was talking about? He himself knows that he was lying and no such thing exist else he would have very quickly posted it for all to see. He claims people should always provide evidence for their claims but always fails to do that which he preaches. He is the greatest hypocrite here .

Butterflyleo:


Now you confirm yourself to be a liar and an ignorant dummy. So none of them talked about God's nature yet your own post reads and I quote



So i asked you, what is this small portion of the nature of God that he revealed to moses you suddenly lost your ability to argue.

Your ancestors must be proud of you.

Shut up you liar. None of them talked about God's nature as the past or future events as you stated. If they did then simply show it Mr lie lie.

The writer already gave some hint of what he meant by God's nature. Here is what he wrote:

"You cannot look Me full in the face [it is impossible for you to know everything about Me], but I will allow you to see my back [I will reveal to you a small portion of My nature so as not to overwhelm you].”

God's nature is so overwhelming and it is impossible to know everything about it. Only a little partof it will be revealed so as not to overwhelm Noses according to the writer. Nothing like back parts of God meaning the past and God's face meaning future events. His explanations are totally different from yours. You can try to spin it but you remain a liar. Go and argue with the holy spirit Ogbeni.

Butterflyleo:
Let me simplify by making bold what is obvious even to a child.

What is this small portion of his nature that God revealed to moses?

Are we talking about fingers or face? Stay on the path.

What did the word do according to scripture. In genesis when the bible repeatedly said, and God said and it was so. And God said and again it was so. What was God saying?

What did the word of God do in genesis?

Ogbeni go and argue with the holy spirit that allowed your fellow christians to interpret the verse totally different from the way you did.

None of them talked about God's nature or his back parts as the events that happened in the past and his face as the events that will happen in the future like you did. Go argue with the holy spirit and ask it questions.

Butterflyleo:
Lmao for the umpteenth time. John saw the future which was why he was able to write REVELATIONS . This face of God in that context is his creation or future creation/events as outlined by him and not his literal face.

Stop making nonsense up. There is no context there apart from the nonsense you just made up out of thin air. As I said I can show you pages upon pages from other christians that have explained this verse that is totally different from the nonsense you are spewing here. The bible said God showed Moses his back parts, ,you lie lie says God showed Moses the past and showed John his face which is the future. Continue.

When Isaiah said he saw the lord in Isaiah 6:1 did he say he saw the literal face of God? Context is all there is. One place talks of his goodness and the other talks of a literal figure on a throne but not his face.

He said he saw God sitting on his throne, Jacob clearly said he SAW God face to face.

If you say there are so many other explanations that is used to explain away those verses kindly list them here Mr ignorant liar. Drop the SO MANY other explanations here let's see

Ok let's go. Just a simple google search but I'll just drop a few here.

1. On this particular occasion when Moses witnessed God’s glory, God chose to exhibit such a glorious light that it would have caused death if seen directly. It was for Moses’s benefit that he received the vision, but it is not a literal description of God.

http://bibleq.net/answer/5346/

2. THE PASSAGE MEANS WHAT IT SAYS! IT IS A STRAIGHT PASSAGE!

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE GROUNDS FOR SPIRITUALIZING, ALLEGORISING, OR INTERPRETING NON-LITERALLY.

BUT, SO CALLED BIBLE "EXPERTS" ROUTINELY DO EXACTLY THIS - THEY INTERPRET IT NON-LITERALLY.

I AM CONVINCED THE REAL REASON FOR THIS IS THEIR COWARDESS AND/OR WICKEDNESS.

SORRY TO BE SO NASTY ABOUT IT - THEY WILL NOT BRING THEMSELVES TO FACE UP TO GOD'S STARK, REAL, ACTUAL, REALITY.

Exodus 31 reminds us God wrote the Ten Commandments with his finger! God has fingers.

http://www.creationoutreach.com/id472.html

3. Therefore, to protect Moses, God was only going to reveal that portion of His majesty and power that was humanly possible to absorb. God communicated this plan to Moses in a way we can all understand: “You cannot look Me full in the face [it is impossible for you to know everything about Me], but I will allow you to see my back [I will reveal to you a small portion of My nature so as not to overwhelm you].”

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/God-Moses-face-to-face.html

4. Therefore, we can see that whenever God is seen in the Old Testament, it is the pre-incarnate Christ. Moses was seeing the Word before it was made flesh or became flesh in the Old Testament.

https://carm.org/who-did-moses-see-in-exodus

As you can see all of them are totally different from the nonsense you had up there.

You are such an ignorant dummy for sure.

Isaiah clearly said the glory of God was his creation and that was why I put the scripture there for you.

I am still waiting for you to tell me what God meant when he said I WILL CAUSE ALL MY GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE YOU. And to tell me what this ALL MY GOODNESS was.

You really need to stop spitting your usual nonsense everywhere in deep ignorance.

You want me to explain your made up nonsense for you? Keep waiting.

frank317:
Even when u try to respect their belief they must definitely push u to the wall to give it to them hard.

Religions that believe in personal God cannot help but see u as an enemy once u dont accept with their belief.

They would either call u a fool and blame it on the bible for actually insulting u. Or they would start condemining u to hell.

I had a neigbour who told me that i will suffer in life for not beliving in his bullsheet. he maintained that people will hate me and i will not find favour. The bad news was that he felt he didnt insult me.

I marked him and gave him hell throughout my stay there. I exposed the foolishness of his believe, his own hypocrisy and made sure he never talked about is faith around me througout my stay there.

I really do not have time for trash. Humans will step on u if u give them the opportunity.

These days.. i am not interested in respecting anyones belief. If u tell me trash i will scream it to ur ear that ur believe is trash and nonsensical.

I think i am the only guy i know who make religious people around me look stupid.

The real insult is when one who believes in a nonsensical believe by faith wants you to join him by all means in his stupidity.

The believers do NOT RESPECT your right to disbelief so why should any one respect their right to believe when they don't offer the same to others?

Christians and Muslims are the worst when it comes to this they feel they are special and they alone know what they are doing. They will happily rub their beliefs on your faces while insulting and mocking you, but when you give them a tate of their own medicine na wahala. Bunch of shameless hypocrites.

Butterflyleo:
Your ignorance though not shocking is beyond childish to say the least.

Where did I say God did not show moses his goodness? I asked you that since God showed moses his goodness is the goodness of God his hindparts? What was this goodness that God showed moses? Can you tell me then since you now have spiritual discernment as an atheist

The glory of God is found in his creation.

Isaiah 43:7

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Psalm 19:1


How do we know the glory of God? It is through his creation. So let me ask you again, what is this goodness that God caused to pass before moses?

Is Goodness now translated to face? God said " I will cause ALL my goodness to pass before you". That word ALL shows quantity. ALL of what? What is this ALL of his goodness Mr Ode dalaman?

You are clearly showing here how you became an atheist. Your reading the bible like a novel brought you there. You forget that scripture confirms scripture and the same scripture needs a spiritual discernment. Something you never ever had.

God said I WILL CAUSE ALL MY GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE YOU.

His goodness ARE HIS WORKS. God said I will cause ALL MY WORKS TO PASS BEFORE YOU but will only allow you to see the beginning of my works and not the present or the future so nobody can see the future i have in store and yet live.

That is what transpired. So again, using your atheist mind and logic, kindly tell me what ALL his goodness means? I am waiting.



Cc superhumanist the second ode.

Ogbeni, stop making things up. There are so many explanations used to explain away these verse but I've never come across your own type of nonsense. Back parts means past and face means future abi?


Stop talking about spiritual discernment because nothing like that exist in reality. All you guys do is give your own personal interpretation and opinion and say it is from this elusive holy spirit. I can simply google and give you totally different explanations of this verse from other christians who claim they got it from the holy spirit but their explanations are totally different from yours. Stop yapping nonsense.

From Genesis you've ran to Isaiah but you've forgotten that even Isaiah himself has claimed to have seen God. Another contradiction to the statement that o man can see God and live.

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple (Isaiah 6:1).


So God said nobody will see the future and live , yet you said John saw the future. Stop displaying you madness for all to see pls.

superhumanist:
If you don't know, I am enjoying and bookmarking that comment of his.

He will still change mouth and say that it means another thing.

I have read debates about seeing God and I have never come across butterflyleo's time[b]-travel interpretation before[/b].

Seriously I haven't as well. Making things up as you go is the name of the game.

Butterflyleo:
The problem with you is that you are not just a liar but also an ignorant dummy.

The bible says moses SPOKE to God face to face and not SAW . This means to speak DIRECTLY TO and without an intermediary and not to see. When God spoke to moses DIRECTLY through the burning bush did moses see his face or the burning bush? Ode who cannot think.

When God spoke to moses directly and gave him the commandments did moses see his face or did he see thick clouds?

Jacob wrestled with an angel sent by God and not God himself.

As ignorant as you are and as spiritually dead as you are, you now want to use literal translation based on your spiritually dead nature to explain what you do not even understand to me.

Ogbeni go and sleep.

Since God specifically said he would show his goodness to moses can you then tell me what the goodness of God is if not his creation? Is his goodness his face or his hinder parts?

Too many words but no meaning at all.

The bible said Jacob said he SAW God face to face. Go and argue with the writers of the bible.


And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).


Where did God in the verse say that he will NOT show Moses his goodness? According to the verse Yahweh only said Moses will not see hos face. No where in the verse did it say Yahweh said Moses will not see his goodness. In fact it says that hos goodness will pass before thee.

Saying that his back parts are the past and his face the future is your own making. Remember you said Moses saw hos back parts which you claim to be his past and that John saw his face whichyou claim to be the future but the same verse said no one can see his face and live so how did John see his face and live if we are to go by your lie lie that his face means the future? If his face means the future then John can not see it and live as stated clearly in the verse. You remain a shameless liar. Now you want to turn your God to a liar just like you are. Weldone.

Butterflyleo:
His face in that context was his literal face but regarding his hinderparts he was referring to HIS GOODNESS OR HIS GLORY. Did you not read that scripture where moses asked to see him and God said moses can only see his goodness and if anyone sees his face (real face) they would die. No mortal can see God and live. Only a spiritual man can see a spiritual God and this is why He has given us his spirit to help us comprehend him.

The problem is you are a liar.

Moses asked to see God's glory according to the verse and God told him he will show him his goodness.


18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

Then Yahweh according to the verse now said that no man can see his face and live.



20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen

God showed Moses his back parts but refused to show him his face according to the story.

It is your own opinion and making that says God's back parts are the past. You also forgot that you said John saw his face which you claim is the future. Now you are shamelesslying lying thathis face here means hos real face. You are shameless as always.

But other parts of the bible say Moses saw God face to face.

So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11).

Jacob also saw God's face.

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).

CuteMadridista:
To quote a friend: "Heaven's supposed to be this really great place, right? So how come a third of the angels got pissed off??"

They don't think through the nonsense they post. So there is this great place called heaven yet we are told that the angels who are supposed to live there rebelled against God abi? Some even ran down to earth to cone and mate with women according to the bible. You guys should keep propagating your ridiculous Jewish mythology and fiction.

Butterflyleo:
Face >>>>>> future. I wrote it in black and white and not in Chinese.

You even wrote what i said @ the bolded but how you twisted it and read it your own way is amazing

BUT your God said no man can see his face na. Now you are saying John saw his face. Well done.

superhumanist:
see lies!

I hope you know that remixing the bible is a sin to remix the bible......

He is a usless remixer. His God's back parts are now the past while his face is now the future. Despite his God saying that no man cam see his face and live he still said John daw his face. See how he is remixing things uselessly.

Butterflyleo:
Dummy!

Moses said he wanted to see Gods glory.

God instead said HE WILL CAUSE ALL HIS GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE HIM BUT WILL ONLY ALLOW HIM TO SEE HIS BACK PARTS.

BACK PARTS OF WHAT? HIS GOODNESS

What is the goodness of God? His creation!

God showed moses all his might has created and this was how moses was able to write Genesis despite not being there.

Your evidence to show that Moses wrote the book of Genesis is WHAT? The name of Moses was ONLY attached to the book according to tradition . There is NO evidence to show that Moses wrote the book. The fact is that Moses did NOT write the book.

This is why I keep telling you that you need his spirit to understand anything about God. You read scripture as a novel but forgetting that the inspirer of those words was spiritual.

Go and take several seats. You know nothing!

Exodus 33: 18-23



His hind parts is the past. His face is the future. Moses was only permitted to see into the past. John the one who wrote the book of revelations was now the one who saw the face (future).

So your God's back parts are the past and his face is the future abi? So John saw God's face when the verse very clearly said that no man can see God's face and live abi? Can you see how foolish you are? Or have you now turned your God to a liar like yourself?

Butterflyleo:
Sorry for your ignorance. It's not my fault is it?

I do not wish to explain to you anything.

The atheists in China who became Christians made Conscious decisions.

Atheist >>>>>> God may exist >>>> God exists >>>>> Jesus is Lord.

Decisions bring about this and this is based on a lot of variables.

1) physical interaction
2) show of love
3) physical care
4) practical Christianity along with the word
Etc

However I chose not to show a deliberate mocker what he seeks because his motive is not to know but to mock. I will not give you the tool for your mockery and ridiculous opinions to flourish.

Ogbeni, simple explanation. How do you interact with this God of yours without sight, smell, touch and hearing? I am not interested in your meaningless and empty talk.
You stated by throwing biblical verses that have nothing to do with how you interact with your God outside those means. Now you are hear yapping nonsense because you know it's nonsense.

How many times have you told me and other atheist that they should bring bible verse on so that you'll explain it to them? You've even bragged that atheist should bring on the verses they feel are contradictory so that you'll explain to them that they are not. Now that you know you are talking nonsense you want to run away with your silly excuses.

Butterflyleo:
Sorry people cannot "demonstrate " anything on a faceless forum. We can only theorise. I expected you to be intelligent enough to realise that.

You can call me empty barrel or empty drum it changes nothing about my reality because you are obviously speaking from your reality. So when you call me empty from your reality you are actually declaring your reality as empty since God does not exist in it.

My reality is full and complete. Who cares about your opinion? Definitely not me. If you do not have the spirit of God in you FIRST then do not ask about things you cannot decipher.

1st Corinthians 2:14

We are on a thread talking about the rise of christianity in China. You even lied that the number of christians in China is 3 times the number of christians in Nigeria. Remember that many Chinese people are atheist. How were the christians there able to convince them? Did the people that turned to christiabity have the spirit of your God first? Nope they didn't. Just admit that you can not clearly explain your point because they are nonsense and you can not make me see sense in them instead of all this mumbo jumbo you are talking about.

superhumanist:
What nonsense is this one saying?

They asked you if and how you communicate or observe God but you are here telling stories. Ogbeni stop deceiving yourself

Your lies have left you in a pit.

This butterflyliar is very hilarious. He is lying and he KNOWS it which makes it worse for him.

He dropped verses that do NOT show in any way how he observes or interacts with his God personally in anyway without sight, smell, touch and hearing yet he is still yapping total nonsense.

Butterflyleo:
Actually the one talking nonsense is you.

1) To you does God exist? No

2) If God does not exist to you, how would his word or experiences make any sense to you?

3) Based on this, why then would you ask for an explanation which you still would not understand based on the fact that your premise declares that God does not exist? ]

You are a very empty barrel.

1. What is God?

2. It will make sense to me if you can demonstrate it clearly. People all over the world have been convinced to accept things they formerly did not believe in through proper explanation/ demonstration. Isn't that what you are always trying to do here when you engage me? Let's assume I don't believe in the existence of gravity and someone comes to explain what it is and how it functions. My disbelief has nothing to do with his explanations. What matters is his ability to clearly explana/ demonstrate his position so that I'll understand and be convinced.

3. All I did was ask you to explain how you interact with this God of yours without hearing, smelling, touching, seeing and feeling it and you threw a verse that does NOT show how you personally interact with the God of yoursoutside those means.

A lot of times people who say nonsense never realise it and you are a very good example of that.

You just gave a perfect description of yourself honestly speaking.

Butterflyleo:
my reality is my own and yours does not exist so if my reality does not exist with you how then would the explanation make sense to you and why would you even bother asking about it.

It would even be crazier if I went about explaining to you when my reality does not exist with you. It would be like trying to speak English to a fly. Never going to mean anything to the fly.

You are talking nonsense and you know it. You claim that you interact with your God through other means outside feeling, touch, hearibg, sight and smell . I asked you to explain and you threw some verses that DO NOT show how YOU personally interact with your God outside those means and you are hear yapping nonsense.

bloodofthelamb:
Believing precedes seeing, feeling and smelling the awesome fragrance of the LORD.

It is a spiritual law that cannever be changed for athiest sake.

Believing what? You can not believe in a vacuum? You can't believe without sight, smell, feeling and touch.

Butterflyleo:
1) Romans 8:16



2) John 15: 26-27



3) Through the exegesis of his word by his spirit.
John 16-7

I always knew you have no sense at all. What is this?

I asked you how you interact with this God of yours and you are throwing mythical biblical verses at me.

Let's have a look at the nonsense you posted.

Romans 8:16

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.


2) John 15: 26-27

26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

How do these passages show that YOU personally interact with this God of yours?

budaatum:
So, why don't you just point to the bit in DSM-IV where it says atheism is a mental illness instead of the anecdotal evidence you have posted?

He has no evidence to show at all, all he has are lies?

Butterflyleo:
Closemindeness is foolishness! Even you should know that.

Only a fool believes that smell, touch, sight and hearing is everything there is.

How do you interact with this God of yours outside smell, touch, sight and hearing?

Butterflyleo:
I disengaged downloads on my device. But you can download on yours

So go ahead.

Also I asked you that since a whole reddit which is an atheist domain is confirming it and they are fuming, maybe you can go there and also tell them the manual and the publication in it is a lie too

Lair. Nothing like what you said exist anywhere. You are to just prove your case instead of lying like a shameless akuya.

Butterflyleo:
Stop being primitive.

That link would download Dsm-iv directly and not Dsm-II or III read my first post about it being a mental disorder and check out my words and then look for them on the manual.

I should tell you the page. First you said its a lie and you needed online confirmation despite it being a manual and then you wanted where to download the manual from and now that I have given you, you want me to show you the page.

You have the whole psychiatric manual (Bible) in your hands. Dig through it

Liar. It still remains a lie. That is why you are unable to tell me the page or just out up a simple photo shot of the document and post it here.You can't post what doesn't exist. Nothing like that exist anywhere. Mr lie lie.

Butterflyleo:
https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9780890420249.dsm-iv-tr#/doi/book/10.1176/appi.books.9780890420249.dsm-iv-tr

You can get your FREE COPY there.

What's the tittle of the edition and which edition? On which page of the publication did they make the claim?

Butterflyleo:
You are searching online for what is in a manual Rotflmao

Oga download your own copy. IT IS FREE!

You are the one making the claim na. Where is the manual? Where is it?

Butterflyleo:
Calling me a liar does not change that it is on the DSM-IV psychiatrist manual.

The manual is online FREE for you to download and see for yourself. The atheists on reddit are fuming. And you are here calling me a liar. So I suppose the atheist on reddit who are upset with this TRUE information were lied to as well.

Where is the report from DSM-IV that says that atheism is a mental illness? I searched online and did not see anything like that. Where is it Ogbeni?