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Butterflyleo:
Dalaman, reddit confirms it.

Other atheist websites also confirm it. Such as the below

http://www.thinkatheist.com/m/blogpost?id=1982180%3ABlogPost%3A401649

Stop going to blog post and posting rubbish. You said a publication from DSM-IV declared atheism as a.mental illness. Where is the publication? Where is it? You started from Madinaamerica now to thinkathiest. What kind of mental illness are you suffering from? Obgbeni, where is the report from DSM-IV?

Butterflyleo:
Go online and download the manual. It's available online and be healed from your ignorance.

I repeat you are a liar and the Madinaamerica nonsense blog owner is also a liar like you are that is why you visited his website to life up his lies.

Show us where DSM-IV themselves declared atheism as a mental illness. It should be very easy. Proof your assertion or remain the liar that you are.

Butterflyleo:
I am sure you saw where it clearly states



And also where it states



The websites simply reported the news from an authority which is the DSM-IV.

Go and argue with the Psychiatrists who deemed it fit to confirm it as a mental illness.

Show us where DSM-IV made the claim themselves or shut up. A ridiculous blog named Madinaamerica reported thrash. Bring the report from DSM-IV themselves. It should be very easy to do that na.

Butterflyleo:
Your mumu no get limit at all.





https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/12/nonconformity-freethinking-now-considered-mental-illnesses/

Or


http://www.offthegridnews.com/current-events/politics/is-free-thinking-a-mental-illness/

. I don laugh tire.

So questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed is now a mental illness abi?

No wonder you are getting such news from Madinaamerica and offthegridnews.

Butterflyleo:
Despite the limitations on Christianity in China, Chinese Christians are 3 times the size of Nigerian Christians and still growing.

You'll never stop telling lies in your life. There are about 75 million christians in Nigeria, if the number of christians in china is 3 times the number of christians in Nigeria as you have LIED then it means that there are about 225 million christians in China. Provide evidence for this nonsense lie you just spewed. Remember you said people should always provide evidence / proof for their claims. Where is your evidence that the numbers of christians in china is 3*75 million?

winner01:
This thread is not about religion.

tell us the truth about atheism, why should folks leave "myths" and embrace atheism?

You made it about religion and failed to tell us what religion has to offer that are realistic. You only pointed out the mythical and fictional promises your religion had to offer.

winner01:
This is a direct and seriously potent question targeted at dalamans whole being.

He has 2 options, he will either ignore it totally or dance around it to wave it off and then launch a counter attack on Christianity.

Dalaman, dalaman

I asked you earlier to tell me the benefit or advantge of the hope and comfort your religion offers you and you went off saying its some spiritual mumbo jumbo and you started talking about christian fiction and mythology. Now what else are you still talking about?

Butterflyleo:
It actually doesn't. It's actually in limbo

It has no values, no weight, no depth, nothing but just "a position" of nothingness.

I once said here that atheism is built on a negative and how can one ever imagine he can get a positive when his very beginning is a negative?

They keep rejecting everything that does not agree with their worldview until now they have rejected their own future.

Bunch of hopeless roamers.

Your religion is a position based on lies, fiction, folklore and empty promise that is why you can't not point to any advantage or benefit that it offers you over others that don't subscribe to it.

You keep accepting the lies, fictional idea and mythological construct of other men like you as if it's true or has any basis in reality when it doesn't at all.

Bunch of myth believers.

Butterflyleo:
You have made your point already oga legendary goal post shifter

Your points made show that you confirmed my OP which says that atheism has nothing to offer.

Thank you for your contributions including the ones not solicited for.

Apart from FALSE HOPE, LIES and empty promises what has religion got to offer?

Butterflyleo:
So with the above, the reality that religion offers is so on point because it is built on past, present and future which translates to HOPE and which further triggers ASSURANCE, COMFORT, ENCOURAGEMENT AND MOTIVATION.

a worldview that atheism does not hold so in a nutshell atheism has absolutely nothing to say beyond a bleak, empty past or present but can NEVER deal with the reality of A FUTURE.

You keep talking empty talk.

The religions in Nigeria and their empty messages of hope have helped the country and the various adherents how?

Has the message of assurance increased their life expectancy? Has the message of comfort resulted to better social amenities and justice system? Has the message of encouragement made them to be better citizens and good stewards of the nation? Has the message of motivation made them better human beings? No it hasn't because the messages are FALSE AND EMPTY.

What reality of the future does your religion offer? What will happen to Nigeria and its citizens in the next 20 years? Do you know? Why then are you talking about the reality of a future you don't and can never know?

Butterflyleo:
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So you are not here to tell me what atheism offers despite repeatedly saying the below





Save me the lengthy lecture and just list out what the "lots" of things are that atheism has to offer.
This surely should not be a difficult thing to list should it?

Telling me long stories I did not solicit for while ignoring the question I am now asking you FOR THE 7TH TIME is simply being silly even after you claimed atheism had a lot to offer.

Save your breath and energy and just cut to the chase by answering my simple and direct question. WETIN ATHEISM GET TO OFFER US FOR THIS HUMANITY WEY WE DEY SO?

You can not show me how the hope and comfort your religion sells to you gives you an advantage, a specual ability or makes your life better than that of others that do not subscribe to your religion but yet you want me to tell you what atheism offers humanity?

I am not here to tell you what atheism offers but to tell you that you believe in the lies and false messages of other men that has nothing to do with the reality we know and see around us.

Name one advantage or special ability the message of hope and comfort your religion offers you that puts your life above mine. Name just one.

darkchild64:
butterflylion keeps talking about the "hope" and "fulfilment" that religion offers and the "emptiness" and "hopelessness" atheism offers
Bro if a man is facing challenges and he chooses to drink alcohol,he would forget the problem for a while but does that mean the problem is not there no,another man in his position may choose to accept his situation and make efforts to change it rather than try to forget it like the former

Religion is like alcohol,it tells you that everything is going to be alright,while we welcome the hope we are all about the result,imagine a woman with cancer,religion tells the kids to pray and have faith and "God" would surely hear their prayers and heal her
On the other hand an atheist or any objective person recognizes that her chances of survival is quite low so s/he makes the woman and her children recognize that ,however she is subjected to every possible medication available to help resolve her situation.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any deity,it is not something instituted to bring people hope and motivation,there are millions of ways one can find hope and motivation in life,what atheism simply does is give one courage to solve ones problems and also show people the reality of life and not give them empty promises no super daddy is coming from the skies to help you so you must work hard,this might seem negligible to you but it is not my business to make you understand, think whatever you like

Leave him, Islam as a religion offers extremist like Boko Haram hope, comfort and special abilities. Boko HAram and Isis for example have Hope and truly believe that they will conquer the world for Allah and make sure that Islam is established as the main religion of the world. They have hope and Islam offers them comfort. But in reality they will never be able to achieve what they have set out to do. Isis has been completely decimated, they are about to to annihilated, same with Boko Haram but they still have hope that Allah will give them victory at the end. The reality of the matter is that no matter their hope and feel good positions about their course they will never succeed. They will always fail.

I live among christians back in Nigeria and I see the way they deceive themselves over the false messages of hope and comfort that they are being taught. They pray with NO results to show for it.I'd there is ever a solution it is always through their abilities or the abilities of others around them which they end up attributibg to their imaginary God. They suffer and face the same fate everybody suffers and faces in Nigeria. All of them are just cash cows for their pastors, apostles, daddy's and other men of God in general.

butterflylion:
For the 6th time, you said categorically that atheism has a lot to offer humanity and so I ask again, what are the lots of things atheism has got to offer?

Don't shift this to a question such as you are not trying to do by asking "how atheism negates the essence of humanity ". That was not your earlier position.

What are the lots of things atheism has got to offer humanity?

I can easily show you how atheism negates the essence of humanity but I need you to first answer the question you claimed you had answers to from the start.

Obgbeni will you keep quiet. Your friend like you claims religion offers message of hope, comfort and assistence only for him to run and claim it is spiritual help and spiritual mumbo jumbo he is talking about and race for eternal glory and other christian mythology and fiction. He can not point out to any message and comfort that his religion offers him that makes his life better here in the world more than that of others.

Despite your endless claims that your religion offers you hope and comfort (which is false hope and comfort ) your life is NOT better than mine as an atheist. You have no advantage over me, there is no special ability that you possess as a result of the hope and comfort you claim your religion offers you that gives you an advantage over me in anyway at all, you have no special knowledge or skill as a result as a result of the hope or comfort that your religion sells to you, you do not even have a more positive outlook towards life better than me despite all these empty claims of hope and confirt that you keep yapping about. You can only make EMPTY CLAIMS that when looked it always shows you completely have no idea of what you are talking about.

There is NOTHING that this empty and fake message of hope and comfort your religion sells to you that you can point to that makes you a better person than me or gives you any special advantage over me in anyway as long as reality is concerned. If there is name one, I INSIST that there is NONE.

I am not here to tell you what atheism offers but to show you that you believe in lies and false ideas of others. That's all there is to your false and empty beliefs.

winner01:
Yawns!!!

Who said hardship began with the era of Jesus?

Also many Christians will disagree with that doctrine the same way several atheists will disagree with all the trash you're saying. A belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God is what binds us regardless of doctrinal differences.

Doctrinal differences can be argued within Christians not by atheists who believe everyone else is deluded.

Jesus christ as the son of God? That has not even been established, many christians are yet to tell us if Jesus is God himself or the son of God separately. These issues are yet to be resloved even among christians but that is a topic for another day.

You too talk. I've had this same argument with you. Of course Christians don't have it better than non Christians and no Christian was promised a rosy life either. Jesus Christ and his disciples did not live long, they were not the wealthiest of humans (materially). The help we speak of is spiritual. Uplifting the spirit and helping us to maintain a healthy christian life in the race for eternal glory.

Everything else you've said is trash

So the help you speak is mythical and fictional since it has no direct bearing on your life and can not be seen or observed by any body outside your body of delusion.
Ive said it before that you guys always make empty claims. You claim Christianity offers hope and comfort , when asked to measure up you are now saying that it is spiritual. The spiritual is meaningless and always a copout because it means nothing in reality. When you want to run away you just jump to the spiritual realm because at that realm anything can be asserted because nobody expects any accountability, proof or evidence qhen it come to that.

We all get help from external sources. When God wants to send help, he uses man. Jesus has helped me in many ways. That you hold the belief that yourself and about 3% of the world are the only custodians of truth is okay of it will make you sleep well.

No we don't. You are making empty claims. Only humans help each other Gods do not help anybody in reality. In fictional and alternate realities like the bible and Koran for example you see God helping people directly but in the reality we know that remains a lie.
It is humans that must help you always. Gods do not help people, there is absolutelyno evidence for that.

Why should your stay on earth be easier? Is that what your delusion teaches?

Atheism is an hopeless and empty worldview that negates the very essence of humanity.
Quit shifting the goal post and explain what atheism can do for humanity.

What is the very essence of humanity and how does atheism negate it?

butterflylion:
I repeat, the fact that you are an atheist and voicing this OPINION out simply means this is your atheistic worldview so cannot be said to be the reality of those who are not atheists.

Thanks for again affirming the bleakness and hopelessness of atheism

Lie all you want but that remains the reality of life for.most people including you. You live in a country called Nigeria where the average life expectancy is 47 years, which means that majority of the people will not get to see their grand children(short life), the country is a total mess, over 70 percent of the people are poor, have no access to basic amenitiesof life, like good shelter, clothing, stable electricity, good food, good roads, good health care delivery services, social safety net, good security services and justice. The life out there is hard and difficult for most of the people that live there and is filled with ups and downs. The only people that are supposed to make things easy for the people which are the leaders and fellow citizens have failed to do that. These are the realities of life in Nigeria for most people and NOT my opinion. It is also the reality of your life as a Nigerian, unless if you are part of the elites which I doubt you are. So that is also your own reality and not my opinion and that has nothing to do with atheism but the reality life in the place where you live.

I also repeat, when an atheist calls religious motives targeting the well-being, hope, comfort, motivation and encouragement of humanity a lie, then we know who is actually lying

You are doing a great job affirming religion.

I have already told you that it is false. No.matter what if you are infected with blood cancer today in Nigeria , Jesus will never help you. It is your fellow humans that will have to help yoy. When your president fell ill, he did not rely on the hope that islam offers, he ran to England
The land of the infidels, spent money to get the best medical help money can buy in the hands of his fellow humans in an advance society. That is the reality and truth, it is your fellow humans that will have to help you when you need help and assistance in this life and not some external force that remains a lie.

No matter the hope and comfort that religions teach, when it comes down to reality their lies and nonsense they teach always gets exposed as the lies that it is.

butterflylion:
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Unnecessarily rigmarole.

There is more truth and reality in what I've written than in all the books of the bible put together. Jesus can NOT help you. If you are involved in an accident and you break your limbs, it is your follow humans beings that will have to come to your aid, pull you out of the car, take you to the hospital where your fellow humans will have to treat you and give you medical attention. Jesus will not come and pull you out of the wreckage and heal your broken limbs. No matter how you hope and believe that he will do it he can't and won't ever. That is my point.

So long story short. Atheism has nothing to offer

It does. Just that it doesn't have false hope and lies to sell.

butterflylion:
Since these are words coming from you an atheist, this means that these words agree with your worldview so I would say that all you have written here is littered with

1. Hopelessness
2. Lack of motivation
3. Comfortless
4. No direction
5. No encouragement

Very bleak and very empty.

You can not deny that these are the realitiesof life. You chose to say that they are hopeless, bleak etc but that doesn't change them from being the reality of life. I just stated the reality of life and it has nothing to do with atheism. Unless if you are trying to lie as usual and claim that the reality of life as i stated is atheism which will then show that you are a liar as always.

When an atheist labels religious motives which mean well for humanity a lie then we know who is actually lying

Thanks for affirming religion again.

So lies and false hope means well for humanity abi? It's not suprising, since its coming from a person that dwells on lies daily.

winner01:
Well, this is shortsighted. You sprinkled heresy with elements of truth so as to deceive people. Yes life is hard and all that and Christ specifically told his followers that things won't be easy.

Life has been difficult and is difficult for most people hence they need by various people to find ways to lie to people and explain them in the name of religion to accept what ever they imagine and think for them that they feel will give them hope or make them live according to the way they want. Christ telling his followers that things won't be easy means nothing because things have been hard for many people since before any story about Jesus was written. But then there are many christians that will disagree with you about the claim that Jesus said things will be heard for people. All these prosperity word of faith preachers and christians will totally disagree with you.

The falsehood in your quote is that "no help is coming", for if you really believed this, then taking your life (suicide) should be the best option in this world full of struggles. Your existence would have been pointless.[] Also, you would have to be wicked to bring forth children to this world of struggles just so they can live, struggle, have the illusion of enjoyment or not and then die.

No help will come from any where apart from your fellow human beings. Jesus does NOT help christians, there is no evidence to show that christians are having it better than non christians at all or that they are getting any help from any where better than non christians . If you fall sick with a terminal illness you will have to go to the hospital the way anybody else does and seek proper medical attention, if you are involved in an accidentand you break a limb you'll have to go and follow the normal process every body follow to get healing. You'll go to the hospital and a POP will be used or any other method will be used and you'll wait for weeks before your bones will come back to the way they were. Jesus will NOT help you or heal you in a day or two once you have a fractured bone in any of your limbs. You have to work to earn a living either legitimately or illegitimately like every other person. Jesus will not and can not give you anything you want without you working for it. You will have to get an education, move around and travel wide to gain knowledge and awareness like every other person. Jesus can never give you any type of education or professional knowledge or any thing without you going out to seek for it like any other person.

At the end of it all. You get no help from any external source. The only help you'll get when you are in trouble or in Nedd has to be from your fellow humans. Jesus can never help you. Jesus can never feed you when you are hungry. You have to vigorouslyhustle or if you are lucky get help from someone. Jesus can never come and give you food even if you are straving.

Either way, you claim is inconsistent with the lives of many atheist. You all hope for a better tomorrow, for a better world. This negates the atheistic worldview.


This is your opinion on religion just like other bigoted atheists.

I did not ask your opinion on religion, I simply asked you what atheism has to offer humanity.

Human beings can be made to change their out look towards life and help each other more so that their stay on earth will be easier for them all instead of lying to themselves that some external force will help them when they are in bed or in trouble. How does the hope for tomorrow or a better world negates the atheistic worldview? Atheism is the disbelief in God's and not a world view that is negates the hope of a better tomorrow. That remains your own making and it is a lie.

butterflylion:
THANK YOU FOR FURTHER AFFIRMING THE HOPELESSNESS AND COMFORTLESS NATURE OF ATHEISM.

The reality of life is what I stated not the hopelessness and comfortless of atheism. I never mentioned atheism anywhere. Life is short, a reality, it is hard, another reality, it is filled with so many ups and downs and uncertainty, a reality, it is a heavy load for most people, another reality and humans have only themselves to solve their problems even though tend to fail each other most of the time, another reality. These are what I stated and they are the realities of life and have nothing to do with atheism Mr lie lie.

In the midst of what you call lies you so glowingly elaborated on the good, hopeful, loving, encouraging, motivational things that religion offers.

Calling them lies does not change the fact that even you an atheist said it is an offer of comfort and hope and sounds good. So again I thank you for speaking positively for religion even as an atheist.

I said they are feel good but they are all false and lies. But as the liar that you are that dwells only on lies you are trying to say that something that has been clearly labelled as lies and false are positives.

winner01:
He admits he has no hope, no comfort, nothing to offer and yet still subtly manages to ridicule religion. Is this thread about religion for Christ's sake
Did I not tell you they will try to ridicule religion no matter what

Where did I admit that I have no hope comfort and anything to offer? All I said is that religions offer FALSE hope, comfort and feel good messages that are FALSE and have nothing to do with reality.

Guy, can't you just tell us what atheism has to offer?



"Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity (in the Harvard sense) of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we're dead we're dead?"
-John Updike

Atheism has a lot to offer. But it doesn't have lies and false hope to offer like religion does.

The quote you dropped from John Updike simply shows you a man that wants to live for ever and finds it too distressing to accept that everything ends after dead, as such he will rather cling unto the false teaching that humans will live forever after they die than accept the reality that dead ends it all for us.

butterflylion:
HOPELESSNESS



MORE HOPELESSNESS



EMPTINESS AND LACKING MOTIVATION AND COMFORT



STILL MORE HOPELESSNESS



ZERO COMFORT AND ZERO HOPE

I am not here to offer hope and comfort but to state the reality of life as it is.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING POSITIVELY FOR RELIGION

As the liar that you that feeds on lies always are you deliberately left out where I clearly stated that all religion offer is lies and false hope. So lies and false hope is speaking positively for religion abi?

winner01:
Please what is the bitter reality?, and why do you think its always empty platitudes at the end of it all? Have you been to the end?

The reality is that life is hard, it's short, filled with ups and downs and the struggle for survival itself is a heavy load for most of us, and as humans we are all that we have. Everything that man has to do must be done by man himself. We as humans must solve our problems, there is no help that is coming or will come from any where. That is the bitter reality.

Religions tell people lies and offer them some comfort and hope that there is a better place for them after they die(since this life is hard) if only they will accept their way of life or that there is this invisible entity that will be there to help them and make things better for them during the course of their life time if only the adhere to some teachings and ways of life. The message may sound good and all hut at the end of it all it is empty, false and has nothing to do with the reality we know.

butterflylion:
Thank you for laying emphasis on the hopelessness and emptiness atheism has to offer.

Your comment is actually authoritative coming from a core atheist such as you are.

Where did I say atheism has hopelessness and emptiness to offer? Can you pls show me?

butterflylion:
LMAO ntoor it was cancelled not even postponed

Dismal ticket sales made them cancel

So na crowd dem dey find before. But crowd no want anything to do with their hopeless reasons. Lmao

So you made it up as usual abi? Continue.

butterflylion:
Winner01 this is a classic confirmation of the OP from a very popular troublesome atheist here on nairaland. See the words in red and blue.

He admits he has no hope to offer, no comfort, no encouragement, nothing but bleakness and emptiness.

I repeat accepting reality as it is is better than the false hope and lies that religions offer. Better to accept reality as it is than to rely on the false hope and feel good messages of men there were invented to benefit just a few in reality.

butterflylion:
Much as I hate doing this I just need to for the sake of the problematic atheist community here on nairaland. I like them though but they never seem to reason so let me help them reason properly.

The world as we know it is slowly degenerating into a chaotic place and isn't wholesome anymore for so many and in times like these people seek for hope, motivation, encouragement, direction, comfort.

This is so for a vast majority of people world wide so they are constantly on the look out for anyone who can offer them these. So here come the nairaland atheists or even the atheists worldwide to help them as best they can.

From my observations atheism is simply a rejection mixed with a sceptical approach with a dice of mockery all added together. We all know that scepticism is a common phenomenon everywhere in the world.

We are sceptical in our offices, market places, schools, and even the area boys and girls are sceptical so this makes scepticism, common place and so irrelevant. However people are always on the look out for anyone with any form of answers and tend to avoid sceptics because as I said, it is so common place. But answer providers are not common place.

We also know that mockery can get boring and tiresome a lot as we cannot keep it up because after a while the fans of the one mocking would begin to get tired and walking away one by one because it is becoming ridiculous and repetitive. Eventually they will turn on the one mocking.

A thread was put up by winner01 (a Christian) which got me thinking about putting up this thread as well. This is the thread


https://www.nairaland.com/4412272/atheist-convention-reason-hope-cancelled

Among the list of the atheist leaders who were to speak in the convention is Richard Dawkins . Richard, the once applauded, atheist and with throngs of followers could not pull his usual attention to this convention so they had to cancel it due to dismal ticket sales.

This was actually the 3rd GLOBAL convention and at just the 3rd convention things are already falling apart.

How can a GLOBAL atheist convention experience dismal ticket sales? Why aren't the global atheists interested?

There are religious conventions which have been held yearly for upwards of 50 years or even 20 years now and still pull crowds because of the hope, comfort, direction, motivation, encouragement, they offer which everyone seeks after. Yet at just the 3rd convention atheists are already losing interest.

If atheists can offer hope they will grow
If they can offer motivation they will grow
If they can offer encouragement they will grow
If they can offer direction they will grow
If they can offer comfort they will grow

But can they offer any of these? No they cannot

Do they make any attempts at working on these? No they do not.

All they do most times is mock and be sceptical in a monotonous manner that even their fellow atheists are getting tired of the whole repetition as shown via the link I posted from winner01.

My advice to atheists especially those on nairaland is this.

1. Show us how much you care and not how well you mock

2. Show us how I can give my life a meaning and not how to live a meaningless life by telling me that I would die one day and become manure and everything about me ends there.

3. Show us how to have hope and not hopelessness.

4. Show me what atheism has to offer me that would be positive to me and my community and make me valuable to the world.

5. Show me love (if you have it) because you cannot give what you do not have. Show me the love in you and not the hatred in you (because this hatred is seen in practically all nairaland atheists here).

6. Strive to Catch up with the notable religious achievements which have aided the world to be a better, more productive and appreciated place by doing something a lot more useful with your time rather than religioshaming me or mocking me for not being you.

Despite knowing that atheism cannot thrive without God I also know that your acceptance of the lack of existence of God should have enabled you to move on from God related issues by now and why you are still unable to do this, I think is an issue you must tackle with your invisible leash and chain.

I hope you heed my advice.

Shadeyinka, Emmanystone, sonofthunder, sciencewatch, cutemadridista, dalaman, felixomor, ishilove, seun and all others.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 can we get more inputs via the front page?

Firstly you lie when you say that the world is gradually degenerating into a chaotic place. The world is much more organized and human beings are much more civil and humane now than they were like 5000 years ago. Back then humans were mostly primitive savages.

Having said that, I'll always chose the bitter reality over false hope. I understand the positive message of hope and inspiration religions throw around to gain adherents, the message of a better future, a guiding and helping hand that will make things better in this cruel journy of life and all, I undertand, the message and its importance to the human society as a whole and all that, but at the end of it, it's nothing but selling snake oil . It's just a mirage and there is no there when you get there as far as religion and its rhetoric is concerned. It's always empty platitudes at the end of it all.

butterflylion:
LMAO so atheists rejected the hope other atheists were offering them?

What they told the organisers was simple.

We all know we are hopeless so how can you who is among the hopeless now want to offer me "reasons to hope" when even I know you are hopeless.

Mathew 15:14



Cutemadridista and dalaman come and see o. They said atheists reject a hopeless invitation. LMAO I don die with laugh for here o


https://reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

Cc emmanystone and ishilove please help me call the other atheists attention abeg una.

Fantasticlala abi na lalasticlala and mynd44 front page sturvs dey here o.

Make I call seun like God called Adam.

Seun ooooo omo baba mukomuko where art thou?

What did they tell the organisers? Can you quite it let's see? Where did any atheist said they rejected the invitation because it was hopeless?

CuteMadridista:
mods should delete all his posts from inception

This guy talks a lot without saying anything

I wanted to draw your attention to this thread after reading the OP until I scrolled down and saw your post. No be small matter ooo. Oge billionare

awesomeJ:
What's up with you now?
Quote where I said slaves were involved in such decisions, and I'll give you Biblical reference.

You on the other hand, are making claims on things you don't not know for sure, saying slaves weren't involved in the decisions, hence my reason for asking you to quote where it was stated that no slaves was or could ever be involved in the decisions that pertain to their slavery deal.

I'll help you,

Joseph for instance when sold by his brothers to the midianite most likely wasn't consulted, because the act was one of wickedness on the brothers' part. Their initial plot was to even kill him. So obviously that was an act of wickedness.

When the Midianites sold him to Potiphar, you don't know whether or not he was involved in talks with Potiphar regarding the terms of his service. Concluding that he wasn't is purely a baseless assumption.

Or look at Lev 26:47
If a foreigner or temporary resident living among you prospers, but your brother (Hebrew) living near him becomes destitute and sells himself to the foreigner living among you, or to a member of the foreigner's clan,


Wouldn't it be illogical to think that the slave in this context who chose to sell himself wasn't involved in the decision?

Obgbeni, I've told you to show us from the bible were all your assertions are declared.

awesomeJ:
You're sounding more and more like an idiot, and I should really think that you are.

If you didn't already lose half your reasoning faculty, would it be so difficult to realize that someone whose hired to work for you for a day is a casual worker, whereas the work who serves you for years is a long termer.

Make sure, this is the very last time you'll open your gutters to use silly words in quoting me, if you still want me to regard you as a human worth some reckoning.

Obgbeni, show us where slaves are paid according to the bible. Remember that Yahweh warned them not to treat those that are poor among them who sell themselves to them as slaves but as hired workers, that clearly tells you that there is a big difference btw slaves and hired workers. The Jewish encyclopedia that I referenced to on the other thread clearly states that slaves were NOT allowed to own properties and were not paid wages.

Show us where slaves were paid wages or keep quiet.

All this your yeye spin will not help you.

Boko Haram use the same Koran to justify their deeds. So who is fooling who?

awesomeJ:
Why do you just make silly assumptions?
was it stated that Joseph's exceptional treatment meant inhumane treatment to other slaves?

For the Israelites, it wasn't just slavery that caused their ill treatment. it was a case of oppression, which could have been meted to anyone slaves or not.

Don't Nigerian leaders oppress the masses? is it cos the masses are slaves to them?

And if you read where God foretold Abraham about the israelites stay in Egypt, God said, "they will be enslaved and oppressed 400 years". if slavery inherently had oppression, there wouldn't have been any need to say " enslaved and oppressed " it's cos the two are separate things that necessitated the use of both words.
You'll find that statement in Gen 15:13

Slavery goes together with with oppression. That is why when a person is out of slavery he is declared free. The Jews as slaves were treated badly so much so that they cried to their God to set them free. Slaves do not get treated well so much so that Yahweh warned the Jews not to treat their fellow Jews that way.