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So the religionists keep saying life is only meaningful with God because people will get to enjoy and be with God after they die. This really doesn't make sense because religions differ and make different claims and promises let's take christianity. If Christianity is true that means about 70% of the people alive today will end up in hell. If that is true then what is the purpose and meaning of their lives if at the end of it all they will rot in hell for worshiping the wrong God?

Deluded goons like winner01 and butterflyliar should come and tell us the meaning of the lives of muslims, Hindus, buddisht , shinto and all the followers of the various traditional religions out there since they will all end up in fire bring for ever because they have refused to accept Jewish mythology and folklore.

Deluded idiots.

winner01:
Dalaman is this true

Ogbeni na wetin na? Na wah ooo.

CuteMadridista:
You don't understand the context, pray to the Hole-ly spirit to open your eyes to the meaning of that passage

OR "meaningless" is a bad translation of the Hebrew word @&£&@+£- so don't read bible literally

OR Solomon was just giving his own opinion, those verses aren't from god himself but from Solomon. although we quote the verses of ecclesiastis like its god's opinion when it's convenient

doG bless you

The original Hebrew word there was supposed to mean meaningful but the English translation got it wrong.
Anyway that is the old testament and Jesus has nothing to do with that.

Butterflyleo:
Also regarding what I posted earlier. Social welfare is a part of the survey which helped arrive at the ranking. Let me post a clearer version. Note that I said that by 2013 China experienced a millionaire boom due to its social welfare program? Well this survey which also included its social welfare program was carried out in 2014.

That put China in the number 1 position

Mr lie lie which survey puts China as the country with the best social welfare system? Where is the survey? You have started with your shameless lies by trying to say that social welfare is now the same as satisfaction with country's direction.

Butterflyleo:
Help yourself

Well my response shows you are very dumb indeed

Mr resident lie lie, you are totally shameless. No wonder you steal too much.

They said you should provide evidence to show that China is the number one WELFARE STATE IN THE WORLD and you are providing a report that says Chinese are the most satisfied with how their country is being ran. What has that got to do with social welfare Mr lie lie?

The nonsense you posted has nothing to do with social welfare. Just admit that you lied again as you always do.

" A social welfare system provides assistance to needy individuals and families. The types and amount of welfare available to individuals and families vary depending on the country, state or region".

CuteMadridista:
They're trying to eat their cake and have it, its a trick they pull and hope you don't call them out for it. This is what's called Ad hoc and post hoc

It basically involves defining something in a way that it is insulated from criticism then throw that definition in the trash when convenient

e.g "Christianity" on one hand makes the highest number of billionaires in the world and our apologists would grab unto that and use it to buttress a point

BUT when similar data collecting method shows Christians form the highest population of prison inmates in the world it becomes a problem, so the apologist is now left to define "Christian" in a way that excludes the inmates BUT it also becomes a problem as the new definition aka "Like Christ" but those Billionaires might've gotten their wealth by fleecing, paralegal and extralegal means but those are ignored

I've also noticed "Christians" here would claim Catholics aren't "Christians" when convenient but when they want to claim Christians are "billions" in the world those "Catholics" suddenly becomes "Christians". Kingebukasblog is famous for this

Like I've always asked people who pull the definitive form of Christianity, How can you KNOW someone else is a Christian?

Infact the point you just made here was what I was tryna make on the slavery thread by Superhumanist. I posted that any Christian against slavery isn't a " Christian" as Jesus was never against slavery but antispambot banned me and my post hidden

Leave this two faced liars and hypocrites alone. Just on the other thread the deluded winner01 clearly stated that a christian is someone who is Christ like in deeds and not through words of proclamation. Now the same deluded idiot is saying that people that clearly are unchristlike through their deeds (something he said is what qualifies a person as a christian ) are christians. Tomorrow he'll repeat the same nonsense when you tell him certain groups of people are christians.

They are deluded, confused and totally dishonest.

winner01:
So you don't make mistakes abi?

Your fada!.

You lied that there are more christians in China than Nigeria na. Where is the source that says that there are more christians in China than Nigeria? Where is it? Mr shameless liar.

winner01:
America has more Christians that Nigeria and we can see how advanced they are. Keep blaming religion for your woes

They are more christians than Nigerians yet their lives style is completely opposed to what Jesus stands for abi?

1. Jesus was against divorce but Americans see nothing wrong with divorce. The divorce rate there is 50% and increasing. Meaning about half the marriages there end up in divorce.

2. Jesus taught and advocated for pacifism(turn the other cheek, love your enemies and other nonsense), majority of Americans do not believe, accept or follow that, in fact they feel Jesus is silly when it comes to that. They believe in their right to bear arms and use it on people that scare them not even attack them. They believe their enemies should die, heir enemies are not to be loved.

3. Jesus believed that Adam was the first man on earth. Majority of Americans believe humans evolved from hominid apes.

4. Jesus says gay relationships are bad. Majority of Americans say Jesus doesn't know what he is saying because they approve of same sex relationships. They even have ordained gay pastors.


5. They believe in the total separation of church and state , majority are pro choice on and on. They identify with christianity but they will never agree to do what the religion says.

winner01:
Christians are bound by a belief in Jesus as the son of God. The rest is not my business and I really don't have time for all these nonsense. What's wrong in bearing arms, what did peter do when Jesus was arrested? Was peter not armed?

I nor get ur time ds nite

Shut up you liar. Just on the other thread you said Christains are people that are Christ like and NOT people that claim to be with their word of mouth but by their deeds. When Peter used his sword did Jesus not fix back the ear of the soldier he amputated?

Is a person that believes in same sex relationships Christ like? What about a person that believes in extreme violence and believes he can gun you down just because he feels or is scared that you can harm him? Is the person Christ like. Keep exposing yourself as a double faced lair and hypocrite. Let me say that people are christians and you come out to say that they aren't. I'll refer you to this thread.

darkchild64:
It is not today that we started dealing with their hypocrisy,even though U.S has a decent Christian population,only a person from mars or a hypocritical fundamental christian would cite The U.S.A as an example of a chriatian country by all standards.
But guess what one dude in a thread I created told me that why I should be a christian is because the U.S.a is the greatest country in the world and they were built on christian principles
Lmao

I keep asking them to tell us the christian principles the US was built upon.

The US was built on the following priciples.

1. Separation of church and state
2. Capitalism
3. Right to bear arms and a very strong gun culture
4. Freedom of speech and association

Which of these is a christian principle and in which part of the bible did Jesus advocate for any of them?

Butterflyleo:
Do you now want to argue with statistics? Same statistics you use to defend your position when presented back at you you start ranting

Well pew research says you are the one lying and two faced bigot. Deal with it or you can petition them.

The fact is that MOST americans do not want your atheism and this is why you are angry

Perhaps you expected america to have a very high atheist population but they are calling you a wishful thinker

At least pew research says that christianity is a religion while you two faced liar are busy saying that it is not

You see Americans just identify with christianity bit they don't believe in most of what it says. Majority of them don't even believe in how it says humans were created.

Jesus says turn the other cheek and give out your coat when your shirt is taken but Americans say "no thanks, Jesus take your stupid pacifism and shove it up. We prefer our right to bear arms". In many states they have gone further with the stand your ground laws, a person doesn't even have to strike you with a slap once you feel threatened you can kill the person with your gun.

Jesus says love your enemies and pray for them, Americans say their enemies must be killed. They love their guns and they also threw a nuclear bomb at Japan when they tried to mess with them.

Jesus said same sex relationships are wrong. Majority of them see it as right. In fact they actually believe that it is Jesus that is wrong here because they even ordain gay pastors. Majority are pro choice when it comes to abortion rights etc.

Butterflyleo:
With this info why is america not backward since you all claim religion makes people backward and scientifically obsolete?

Because they chose not to believe or accept the thrash that christianity teaches. For example, christianity says that God created humans whole. It says Adam and Eve were the first humans God created like 6 thousand years ago. Majority of Americans do not believe that, majority believe that humans evolved from hominid apes and were not created the way the bible says.

Though they identify as Christians they do not believe in Christianity completely. They pick and chose what to believe in and what agrees with their life style. Majority of them accept same sex relationships. There are ordained same sex Pastors in the USA.

The identify with the religion but don't follow it's teachings.

Butterflyleo:
Yet despite all this, About 62% of american claim to be members of a church congregation. The United States has the largest Christian population in the world, with nearly 280 million Christians.

Separation of church and state my black yansh.

Despite all the dust being raised USA still ranks highest when it comes to christian population in the world.

With this information, how come scientifically, america is not backward? How come educationally america is not backward? How come developmentally america is not backward?

You guys are just lying two-faced hypocrites. One minute winner01 was saying that christians are ONLY people that do what Christ says and NOT people that say they are. So which is it. Are christians people that do what Christ says or people that identify with the religion without following or adhering to its teachings because that is what MOST Americans are.

winner01:
But USA has more number of Christians than Nigeria, why are they stipp developing?

The USA does NOT have more number of christians than Nigeria. You are a double faced hypocrite. Just on the other thread you were insisting that christains are people who are Christ-like. Americans are NOT Christ like. They identify with the religion but they don't practice it or believe in it. Just take for instance majority of the people in the USA believe in evolution(about 51%) and not creationism. They believe in the right to bear arms (which is totally unchristlike ) Jesus advocated for a very silly form of pacifism, turn the other cheek nonsense that no christian abides by.

Majority believe in gay rights etc. Tell me is that being Christ like?

There is a total separation of church and state in the US. God doesn't mean much to them, their institutions have no place for religion like in Nigeria.

winner01:
Considering that most sources of the number of Christians in China are perverted (even Wikipedia) because of the Chinese government, the source below is inaccurate. Christianity has risen astronomically in China and this has forced the chinese government to crack down seriously on Christianity. Check one of my threads for source

You said there are over a billion christians in China earlier na. Where is your own accurate source that show that there are over 1 billion christians in China. You are mad.

darkchild64:
He might be right in terms of statistics

No he is not. He is telling LIES. There are about 20- 40 million christians in China. There was an American christian body that lied that there were more than 100 million christians in China some years ago but even their fellow christians called them out for that lie.

winner01:
China has a christian population of more than 1,349,585,838, U.S.A (316, 668,567), Nigeria (174,507,539), Russia (142,500,482), Japan (127,253,075).


But no, Nigeria is regressing because of the number of Christians abi

What is this nonsense? How many christians are there in China? China has a christian population of more than 1 billion people? You are a mad liar.

CAPSLOCKED:

DALAMAN DO YOU AGREE THAT RELIGION DEPENDS ON HOW DEVELOPED A COUNTRY IS?

THAT RELIGION THRIVES MORE IN POOR DEVELOPING COUNTRIES COMPARED TO ALREADY DEVELOPED COUNTRIES?


YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CURSE ME. I GUESS THAT'S THE REASON WHY NOBODY LIKES TO ENGAGE WITH YOU FOR MORE THAN A SENTENCE. YOU'RE DULL.

Of course the more developed a country is the less religious the country and it's institutions are.

winner01:
Iceland that has 72% Christians is not developed?? Or China that has more number of Christians thdan Nigeria is not developed??

Okay, let me wait for dalaman to come give his answer

Stop repeating this lie. China DOES NOT have more christians than Nigeria. There are much more christians in Nigeria than China.

Iliveforme:
This is my problem too. Existence is meaningless. Everyone is chasing after things they will drop dead and let go anytime. What future can there be when already there is only an end. This is my struggle and its killing me

The here and now is very important and meaningful to you else you would have killed yourself long ago. How is existence meaningless? What difference will it make of we were all going to live forever? How will that add any value or meaning to life?

winner01:
Dalaman, your brother in atheism says life is meaningless and everything is useless?

That's his opinion.

winner01:
I'm glad you didn't attempt to deride the meaning they have given to life. Point made.

So? Fact is life has NO universally accepted meaning , just what ever people chose to make of it and follow.

winner01:
How about those who attach their own meaning to the violence and crimes which benefits them?

Boko haram made around $10million according to some reports by just abducting and returning Dapchi girls. Is that meaning not wonderful?

That is the meaning they've attached and made out of their lives. Boko Haram is trying to create a caliphate on earth and subdue it for Allah through whatever means possible. That is the meaning they've made out for themselves.

Others chose different human endeavours to give and add meaning to their lives.

winner01:
1. Is this what your grandma told you the universal standard of meaning is?

2. Prove it

Meaning of life is what you make of it Ogbeni.

winner01:
You haven't beat your own idea of meaning into the op

Meaning is what you make of it.

The erudite FOLYKAZE, always seems to know how to put everbody in his place.

cytell56:
Na parents born this ones so!!!

. Why this very dangerous comment na?

Butterflyleo:
Call it what you want. I knew you would do what you love doing. Does that defeat the import of the message?

Does that change the fact that it is ethically and morally wrong and a huge societal Ill which cannot be controlled?

Keep on playing God with the lives of people in the name of "hey he plagiarized" while looking away from more serious issues which may affect your own family or relative tomorrow. By then I am sure you just might wish you led the placard carrying opposition.

I am done. You can go ahead and argue with your ancestors but know this. Isn't it rather funny that a theist is the one arguing for life to be either prolonged or allowed to run its course for the terminally Ill while you an atheist does not even care about their lives and would just wave it away like a fart.

You need to check yourself and see how low you have become and how deep you have sunken in a very dark place.

Ogbeni shut up. You are a thief. Plagiarism is stealing. You are lifting someone else's intellectual property and passing it off as yours. You are notorious for that and it is wrong.

I am really not down with DAS per say. Only two conditions have made me support it because things are not always black or white. In the case of my late friend where his parents and my own mum prayed for him to die and the other case that made front page on nairaland of the guy with a tumor on his head where you could see his brain some years ago, the report had it that the guy was crying for the doctors to take his life because he was in endless pain and suffering from severe headaches always. I will support DAS in such cases because their situations were helpless and there was no cure that will save them. Ending their lives was the humane thing to do.

There are a lot of unethical issues associated with every thing in life so I really do not see why you are beating the drums on DAS as if it's the end of the world. Life should ALWAYS be preserved is a belief I hold deeply but in cases where the situation is hopeless and the person will suffer needlessly, putting an end to the persons life is sometimes the most humane thing to do. Things are not always black or white.

Butterflyleo:
I simply gave an analogy on how loopholes exist and rather than thinking deep you just spew ridiculous rebuttals.

You keep talking about Oregon but you forget that Netherlands began this a while ago and it was actually a process to something much bigger.

The Netherlands has moved from assisted suicide to euthanasia, from euthanasia for the terminally ill to euthanasia for the chronically ill, from euthanasia for physical illness to euthanasia for psychological distress and from voluntary euthanasia to involuntary euthanasia called “termination of the patient without explicit request”.”

In fact, the Dutch now kill patients and babies born with deformities.

That is what it has become now. You think its all straight down the line right? I sorry for you.

How about the poor? Those without financial resources are most at risk from this dangerous legislation. Suicide becomes the cheap alternative for the poor who cannot afford costly treatment and medication. By passing assisted suicide laws,that state takes an interest in promoting the suicide of its citizens in order to save money. In fact, many insurance companies also favor assisted suicide because is saves them a lot of money.

This is all about business but you wouldn't see the bigger picture would you? Using human lives for money making schemes.

What about those who are terminally Ill? Those coping with terminal illness are pressured to take the easy way out. “Not being a burden” becomes a powerful temptation to end one’s life. Instead of cherishing the sunset of life, a terminally ill person’s last moments are deliberately cut short. Laws of this type also allow relatives and family members to kill in order to access inheritances and take advantage of the situation.

Under the false guise of "compassion" as it were, all sorts of euphemisms are being used to force this dangerous legislation into medical practice. phrases such as “aid in dying,” “end-of-life options,” and “death with dignity.” But there is no getting around the truth. These laws allow doctors to administer drugs designed to facilitate suicide. Even more insidious, the lethal drugs are falsely labeled as “medication” while designed to do the exact opposite of any true medicine.

Whether you like it or not, assisted suicide turns doctors to killers and it is fundamentally incompatible with the physician’s role as healer, would be difficult or impossible to control, and would pose serious societal risks.” Even now the entire 3.4 million nurses in america represented by The American Nurses Association, has clearly stated that "the nurse should not participate in assisted suicide and that Such an act is in violation of the Code for Nurses and the ethical traditions of the profession."

The whole charade is not for the benefit of the patient but for the benefit of the state in terms of cost cutting, resource saving and for the benefit of insurance companies.

The Hippocratic Oath proclaims: “I will keep the sick from harm and injustice. I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.”

Now how is that turning out? DAS is simply giving them a window to freely break that oath and get away with it.

If you still wish to argue in support and claim this is a humane gesture as an atheist then go ahead. That does not change the fact that it is ethically wrong, morally bankrupt and a societal Ill for the weak, the poor, the disabled and the elderly. Its all a money saving and making scheme.

***walks out****

This man and plagiarism. You just can't and won't stop abi?

https://www.tfpstudentaction.org/blog/10-reasons-to-ban-assisted-suicide

CuteMadridista:
I read the analogy and those are nonsensical argument and lots of reaching all to argue against DAS

1. The first analogy isn't DAS at all as there's no consent from the victim. DAS has no blame for that at all and would've happened with or without DAS in place. its a very useless analogy and an attempt to blame DAS for what is ,probably, already happening which is akin to blaming Buhari for Natural Disasters that occur in USA

Also it should be noted that Oregon (who's laws on DAS are very sensible and I agree with majority of their DAS laws) prevents such from happening as:

A: the patient needs to ask for DAS 2x with at least 15days difference between both to be in consideration for DAS so in order for the doctor to forge the Docs he would have his work cut out as he would need to do a lot of forging and forge the time the patient was flown in which means he would need the cooperation of the emergency services that brought the patient, forge the receptionist register, forge a lot of other records which also includes things like CCTVs meaning he'll need cooperation of the whole security team to wipe out the CCTV, wipe the memory(ies) of whoever witnessed the accident.

B. The patient must provide a written request to his or her physician, signed in the presence of two witnesses. if he successfully surmounts A then he would need at least 2 accomplices to surmount this one

C. An external physician is required to come in and assess the situation too to confirm the diagnosis, prognosis and make sure the patient is aware of what he's requesting. "doctor organ transplant" needs to bribe the external physician or something to get past this hurdle


Let's be sincere with ourselves here, if a doctor is able to cross all these hurdles on his way to killing a patient then DAS's LEGALISATION WASN'T THE PROBLEM! the problem was far bigger than DAS and dare I say DAS actually protects the interest of the patient in this situation and makes "doctor organ transplant"'s job a lot more difficult than it would've if it weren't there.....



The second one also faces the same sets of problems and why would a care giver be aware he's awarding him his estate? this shows a leak either from the lawyer or the patient himself and what happened would've happened regardless of DAS being legalised or not



At the end of the day if these kind of stories are what they have against DAS then they're really not against DAS but are asking for stricter rules to avoid abuse which I think Oregon laws work well to prevent even though I think its still not perfect but its pretty close to perfection

Bravo. This sums it up very well and clearly.

This case is pure madness. At the end of it all one abracadabra will happen and the case will be left lingering on court. At most they'll day the suspects died and everybody will continue with their lives.

Fresh water dolphins are a rare specie. How can Africa develop when all we think about is food and how to reproduce?