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Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by spartan117(m): 1:25pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:Then we should also see this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists 1 Like |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by jFrankNorfleet: 1:28pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
nice one |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by dalaman: 1:35pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117: Even your like agreed that missionaries were imperialist and oppressors. It says: "The Portuguese sent missions into Africa. These are s[b]ome of the most well-known missions in history. While some of these missions were associated with imperialism and oppression[/b], others (notably Matteo Ricci's Jesuit mission to China) were relatively peaceful and focused on integration rather than cultural imperialism." Christianity was spread through conquest. Most missionaries were imperialist that went about colonising people, enslaving them and stealing their resources. Examples are the conquistadors and the European imperialist that came to Africa. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 1:35pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117: I have and the dishonesty of that OP was exposed on that very thread BTW if you think the bible forbids slavery why not open a new thread and let's trash it out? or do you want to talk about it in the link you gave? I'm game |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by spartan117(m): 1:42pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
dalaman:According to Wikipedia conquistadors is the term used to refer to soldiers and explorers of the Spanish empire. They were not referred to as Christian missionaries. Why are you the only one calling them that? I would highly recommend that you read this link again so that you are able to grasp the proper definition of a Christian missionary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mission |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:42pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
Niflheim:What's this one saying now? And his fellow funny dudes still gave him 2 likes. Na wa o. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by spartan117(m): 1:44pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:While I don't agree with you but I agree it should be discussed on a new thread without derailing this one. That's a matter for another day |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 1:46pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117: anytime you're ready holla my monicker and I'll attend if or when I'm online |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:48pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117:You basically just said the exact same things I wanted to say to the dude, only even better. They will come up with silly bases, and start making misinformed arguments. He probably thought you won't check to confirm the funny claim he made. Now that you've corrected him, he will never come to admit he was wrong about his claim. God bless you real good bro. Bright minds are so obvious to spot. Kudos. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:51pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista: Slavery was basically the equivalent of modern day employment in those times. Would you expect the bible to condemn employment? |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 1:52pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
awesomeJ: let's talk about it on another thread, are you game? me, you, Dalaman and spartan117 just the four of us |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:54pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117:You"re obviously one of the brightest minds I've ever met on this forum. God will continually make his wisdom abound to you. Instead of the dalaman guy to just admit his ignorance, he keeps making baseless arguments. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:56pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:I'll be there too. Spartan, please make a mention. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 1:57pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
awesomeJ:You can do the honours of opening the thread too |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:58pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:Looking forward. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 1:59pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:Don't do much of thread opening, I've only ever had one-for Seun. But make a mention, I'll be there. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by dalaman: 2:02pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
spartan117: You clearly know nothing about the conquistadors. I said even your Wikipedia link acknowledge that some missionaries were oppressors and imperialist. "The Portuguese sent missions into Africa. These are some of the most well-known missions in history. While some of these missions were associated with imperialism and oppression, others (notably Matteo Ricci's Jesuit mission to China) were relatively peaceful and focused on integration rather than cultural imperialism." You can not separate the missionaries from the imperialist because they were one and the same. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by dalaman: 2:03pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Which basless argument? |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by spartan117(m): 2:08pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
awesomeJ:God bless you too my friend |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 2:12pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
dalaman:This one above for instance. The statement is "Portuguese sent missions to Africa" Your conclusion is "The missions were Christians on a christian missionary agenda" Come on! So when Nigeria sent Soldiers to Liberia, the fact that they were referred to as the Nigerian mission means in your own mind that they were christian missionaries? Come on man! |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by dalaman: 2:21pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Mr man dont be dishonest. You sent a link about Christian missionaries and the link clearly talked about some of the missionaries that were sent by Portugal to Africa and acknowledged that some of them were oppressors and imperialist. It is well known and documented that many missionaries came to steal and exchange what they stole with the Christian culture. What ever it was they gave the people they made sure they took 10 times from them. People like Bishop Desmond Tutu of south Africa have openly stated that many of the missionaries that came to Africa only came to steal resources. It was from one of his videos that I got to know about the slave ship called the Good ship Jesus that took slaves and left Africa that the captain was a Christian Zealot. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by awesomeJ(m): 2:26pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
dalaman:I didn't give any link. I just made comment on a statement you highlighted. Surely, there could have been Christian missionaries with ulterior motives. But that doesn't imply in any way that Christianity is out to promote those silly motives. If it were, we Christians of today would have had to do the same silly stuff to meet up with the standards. But Alas, we're not even close to wanting them silly stuffs. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by OtemAtum: 2:35pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
Niflheim:You will never stop making me LMAO 1 Like |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 1:52pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
OtemAtum: The guy is very funny and his threads? let's not even go there |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by frank317: 5:48pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Even when u try to respect their belief they must definitely push u to the wall to give it to them hard. Religions that believe in personal God cannot help but see u as an enemy once u dont accept with their belief. They would either call u a fool and blame it on the bible for actually insulting u. Or they would start condemining u to hell. I had a neigbour who told me that i will suffer in life for not beliving in his bullsheet. he maintained that people will hate me and i will not find favour. The bad news was that he felt he didnt insult me. I marked him and gave him hell throughout my stay there. I exposed the foolishness of his believe, his own hypocrisy and made sure he never talked about is faith around me througout my stay there. I really do not have time for trash. Humans will step on u if u give them the opportunity. These days.. i am not interested in respecting anyones belief. If u tell me trash i will scream it to ur ear that ur believe is trash and nonsensical. I think i am the only guy i know who make religious people around me look stupid. The real insult is when one who believes in a nonsensical believe by faith wants you to join him by all means in his stupidity. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by dalaman: 6:54pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
frank317: The believers do NOT RESPECT your right to disbelief so why should any one respect their right to believe when they don't offer the same to others? Christians and Muslims are the worst when it comes to this they feel they are special and they alone know what they are doing. They will happily rub their beliefs on your faces while insulting and mocking you, but when you give them a tate of their own medicine na wahala. Bunch of shameless hypocrites. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by budaatum: 1:49am On Mar 28, 2018 |
awesomeJ: To be honest, if you don't mind me butting in, the mission of the Portuguese and the British, was, along with commerce, to spread religion too. They were much reliant on their God and the Church as it had much influence by providing the scribes, though, that is not to claim that their God told them to do what they did in the process. It is very well known that there were many ignorant individuals amongst them, and were wont to twist scripture for their own benefit and did so often. Any good book on colonialism states this point. Christianity is targeted by critics of colonialism because the tenets of the religion were used to justify the actions of the colonists. For example, Toyin Falola asserts that there were some missionaries who believed that "the agenda of colonialism in Africa was similar to that of Christianity". Falola cites Jan H. Boer of the Sudan United Mission as saying, "Colonialism is a form of imperialism based on a divine mandate and designed to bring liberation - spiritual, cultural, economic and political - by sharing the blessings of the Christ-inspired civilization of the West with a people suffering under satanic oppression, ignorance and disease, effected by a combination of political, economic and religious forces that cooperate under a regime seeking the benefit of both ruler and ruled." Wiki Nigerian soldiers are not as religious as they were in the Holy Roman Empire of the Portuguese days so they cannot be compared exactly. They operated at a different time and place when religion was not as influential as it was in those days, for starts, and they never left Nigeria with a religious mandate while many of the colonisers did. Do note that the Muslims were no better. They took slaves too in the name of Allah. |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by budaatum: 1:58am On Mar 28, 2018 |
spartan117:This is from the link you posted: One of the main goals of the Christopher Columbus expedition financed by Queen Isabella of Spain was to spread Christianity. During the Age of Discovery, Spain and Portugal established many missions in their American and Asian colonies. The most active orders were the Jesuits, Augustinians, Franciscans and Dominicans. The Portuguese sent missions into Africa. These are some of the most well-known missions in history. While some of these missions were associated with imperialism and oppression, others (notably Matteo Ricci's Jesuit mission to China) were relatively peaceful and focused on integration rather than cultural imperialism. In both Portugal and Spain, religion was an integral part of the state and evangelization was seen as having both secular and spiritual benefits. Wherever these powers attempted to expand their territories or influence, missionaries would soon follow. By the Treaty of Tordesillas, the two powers divided the world between them into exclusive spheres of influence, trade and colonization. The proselytization of Asia became linked to Portuguese colonial policy. Wiki |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by CuteMadridista: 12:45pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
frank317: Hehehehehe |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by hopefulLandlord: 2:22pm On Apr 25, 2018 |
Good thread 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by OkCornel(m): 2:36pm On Apr 25, 2018 |
dalaman: It won't be fair to generalize though. I think there are actually stupid people on both sides of the divide (my apologies for the strong words). You will find stupid and unreasonable people among religious and irreligious people... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by vaxx: 10:44am On Jun 03, 2018 |
Tolerance/respect is not about agreeing with or approving of someone else’s beliefs. Tolerance/respect is simply agreeing not to oppress and kill each other for having different beliefs. if you do not tolerate and respect someone else belief you are likely to spread evil among mankind. |
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