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Romance / Re: Nothing Dey For Women And Sex Is Overrated by damosky12(m): 4:38pm On Mar 12
Geovanni412:


Sex is not overrated

Money is not overrated

Health is extremely underrated


If you have poor health, neither money nor sex will be enjoyable to you.

There is no solution to many health challenges that affects our organs.

Yet, how many of us use 30 mins a day to read up on proper nutrition or take regular lab tests?

This, here, is a fallacy! An error in thinking.

Its called "shifting the goal post."

If you disagree that sex is overrated, make lucid points for it. That's the topic on the thread. You don't have to sneak in your contrary view this dishonestly. smiley
Romance / Re: Nothing Dey For Women And Sex Is Overrated by damosky12(m): 9:17am On Mar 12
Blupen:
Sex is not overrated ooh
Something way senator dey do
Na just money we no get to enjoy life fully

You don't have to assume that everyone is broke because they say sex is overrated.

Senator or commissioner doing it doesn't disprove that sex offers you nothing but fleeting pleasure. In minutes its over and real life is there waiting for you.

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Romance / Re: Nothing Dey For Women And Sex Is Overrated by damosky12(m): 8:28pm On Mar 11
Sirchiboy:
Na our stupid dick when no dey think or use him number 6 dey deceive us.
Nothing dey there.
Na just infections

Sex is too overrated!

The true value of it is in a loving marriage! God designed it to be in marriage, not this perversion of it today...

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Phones / Re: Elon Musk 'mocks' Facebook, Instagram by damosky12(m): 7:52pm On Mar 05
Pclemenza:
Elon Mocks Facebook

Elon Musk’s Facebook

Try saying "Elon Musk mocks Facebook" five times together. smiley
Crime / Re: CCTV Captures Man Using Charm To Escape From Assassins by damosky12(m): 7:25pm On Mar 03
Chukwuka319:
Why do ignorant fools keep arguing about things like this? If the Whites in all their civilization believe in vampires,wendigoes, fairies, witchcraft, ghosts, Shapeshifting, and make Horror Movies based on them,who are the ignorant African dimwits to argue?

Leave those ignoramuses forming woke jare. grin

If you carry any scary-looking fake juju chase them, them go tear race o. But them gats form woke now to feel intelligent.

There's more to life than what we see with our physical eyes. And that's a truth we're all born with.

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Crime / Re: CCTV Captures Man Using Charm To Escape From Assassins by damosky12(m): 7:23pm On Mar 03
richiemcgold:
This is probably a gang attack. The environment doesn't look Nigerian though. Quite funny how his assailants came back to the same spot again and again, yet couldn't see him right there beside them.

Lol. It's obviously not a natural evasion. It's got spiritism written all over it!

There's more to life than empirical logic.

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Politics / Re: How Blacks Were Wiped Out In Argentina : Exposing The Truth by damosky12(m): 3:30pm On Mar 01
CheedyJ:

Na Messi kill d blacks abi

Abeg help me ask am.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 9:38pm On Feb 29
MaxInDHouse:


God commanded His worshipers to drink alcoholic beverages and at the same time told them not to drink too much.

For instance God gave the Israelites quales to eat when they demanded for meat but when they ate too much He punished them.

Does it mean we must stop eating meat since God punished them for eating too much?

Ọmọ you're teaching the doctrine of men! smiley

Sorry o. I haven't been able to make sense of your own "rebuttals." They sound too far behind. Seems you also enjoy constituting nuisance too.

I recommend you actually start from submitting in an actual church where they serve Jesus and teach Bible. Leave nairaland religious threads. I can't help you. It'll be too much task.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:39pm On Feb 29
This beer palpur theology is a thing though. 😐

It goes like this: the Bible says drunkenness is a sin. Therefore, the Bible says we can drink. So, we can drink, but we would stop drinking before we get drunk." What a dishonest devotion? 🤣 Just an excuse (or justification?) to indulge their appetite as some would even defend any sin they're guilty of.

Here are questions to keep us sane:

1. if the Bible describes drunkenness as a sin, does it give a measure of how much alcohol to drink before slipping into drunkenness or before counting as "given to excess alcohol"?


2. If the Bible describes drunkenness as a sin, how wholesome is it for me to tell myself, "let me go for alcohol - just one bottle and I'll stop?" Does that sound like I'm devoted to actually staying far from sin?



3. If the epistles teach against drunkenness, would it be okay to conclude from texts like "dont be drunk with excess wine" (Eph 5:18) or "much wine" as a go ahead to self-indulge our appetite with alcohol? Wouldn't we be picking these texts out of context?

"If the epistles says much wine is sin, therefore, it is saying little wine is fine." How reasonable is that, given that it gives no measurement for what is much or little, what is excess or not excess?



4. Considering all, would it not be crystal clear that the Bible teaches against self-indulging with alcohol? (Not necessarily alcohol use as alcohol has been used in preparation of some foods, preservation of foods, medicinal purposes, etc.).

Wouldn't we be better off to maintain a stance against indulging alcohol (which is what the epistles severally infer), especially as a doctrinal matter?



CONCLUSION: Drunkenness or being "given to alcohol" cannot happen when we don't self-indulge with alcohol. If we do, it can and most likely would happen as there's no divine measurement for what's "excess" alcohol for anyone.

Recall, the epistles teach FLEEING (to run totally from or japa from) sin. 1Tim 6:11, 2 Tim 2:22, 1 corinth 6:18. The Christian's godly response to sin is to flee, not to apply self-control or use will power to scale through. But the "beer parlour doctrine" seems to believe otherwise: "indulge with alcohol, but try escape getting drunk. And you're good."

Self deceit seeking justification.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:20pm On Feb 29
Ken4Christ:


I know you are shocked to see that there is not a single scripture condemning drinking alcohol. Just show me one.

I don't drink alcohol by habit. I can stay years without tasting it. But I don't condemn Christians who take it. And the scripture don't either.

"A single scripture..." 🥱 Says so much about your theology! It's muffled man! But God can help you if you'll allow Him.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 2:35pm On Feb 29
Ken4Christ:


Please stop being proud. Accept the truth. The scripture only cautious against drunkenness. And I proved it to you. But you are saying, don't drink so you don't get drunk. It's a good counsel and your personal opinion.

I am saying that the one who drinks and don't get drunk hasn't committed any sin unless it is done in manners and ways as to cause a weak soul to stumble.

I am proud now?.. 🤣 For what? For not succumbing to your alcoholic "truth?" Beer parlour "truth!" Ah! Nairaland baffles me o.

You know what you're defending so hard? It's not alcohol o. It's a fallen devotion standard.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 12:11pm On Feb 29
Ken4Christ:


You are going round in circles.

I repeat that the Bible never said don't drink alcoholic drinks. It only condemns drunkenness which you have also noted. Your point is don't drink at all to avoid the temptation of getting drink. And I said that is your personal opinion. The scripture never said that.

Not given to wine simply means to get addicted to it. It never said, don't drink wine.

The one who drinks and didn't get drunk has not sinned. Period.

Can you calm down and read. Stop this bubbly hurrying to give a blanket rebuttal like this. I am believing you have self-control.

Respond paragraph by paragraph if it'll help. Go over it. Then respond by reasoning from scriptures. That's what I did. Not this "it's your opinion" fallacy. Show that the scripture contradicts my stance. Do the epistles tilt more towards encouraging alcoholism or discouraging it?

And bracket your bias for a second. I'm believing you can. Na "4 Christ" dey your name so. The evidence is before you!
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 11:43am On Feb 29
Ken4Christ:


How can you cause someone to stumble when you take wine? If a new member of your church who is already addicted to wine comes to you for counselling on how he could free himself from that addiction. Then he sees you with one bottle of alcohol on your table, he will certainly will be embolden to continue. And it is worse if you are a Pastor he was looking up to.

Awesome study. I see you found amongst those expressions, "not given to wine" (alcohol in that context). You also found the use of "excess of wine," "not given to much wine."

The word, "given" there is word that relates to a habit. See... It's a word for craving. That's instructive.

Now, the use of "much wine," "excess wine," etc. was not a license for the church to indulge the appetite with alcohol. That's been a common beer parlor justification.

Wear your thinking cap, Jesus condemns drunkenness. His Apostles did same. And it's unquestionable. Hence, their use of "not given much wine," cannot mean "given to small wine."

In 1Tim 3:3 and Titus 1:7, He outrightly says "not given to wine." In other words, he doesn't have an habit of taking alcohol. No use of much or excess.



Therefore, there are times we refrain from exercising our liberty for the sake of the weaker brethren in our midst.

“Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.” (1 Corinthians 8:13).


If you read the context of this portion, it has nothing to do with alcohol. You are reading your mind into it. It had to do with food offered to idols. Full stop. And why? The answer is in verses 4 to 6. There's nothing like an idol. Jesus Christ rules over them all. So that "liberty" is theological one. It's an exercise of dominion over idols.

Alcohol isn't part of this liberty o. 🤣 Alcohol? Liberty ke?

Now see my main point again: I don't encourage believers to indulge their appetite with alcohol. The Apostles didn't. Why?

1. Drunkenness which comes from taking alcohol is sin. And being GIVEN TO alcohol begins with taking a bottle for fun.

If I want to help a believer live without worries of falling into alcohol addiction (as the point you even made), I would teach staying clear! Why? Drunkenness and being given to drinking are lurking.

2. There is no Biblical measure of the amount of alcohol that will get you drunk. You can use alcohol. To cook. To make medicine. But drinking is to indulge your appetite for it.

There is no saying how much of it you'll take to get drunk. Some would be drunk after a cup. Some, after a bottle.


CONCLUSION: Let's shelve this beer parlour justifications and do better things. No godly pastor would infer in his teachings that christians who don't take alcohol can go ahead to try it out.

That's where a christian should be. We are not unbelievers who glorify our flesh that much.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 7:33am On Feb 29
MaxInDHouse:


I'm not your brother but your neighbour and i do drink my alcoholic beverages responsibly just as Jesus did it's Pharisees like you that are trying to add to what God said by accusing the faultless yet we are better than you in doing God's will! Luke 7:31-35 smiley

Ok, my guy. More beer to your table! 🤜🤛
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 7:22am On Feb 29
MaxInDHouse:


So you lied against God's only begotten Son! undecided



Next time don't just assume whatever your pastors told you are from Jesus of Nazareth most times they often teach doctrine of men! Matthew 15:7-9smiley

Go and freely drink your burukutu brother. Don't mind me jare.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 7:16am On Feb 29
Ken4Christ:


I can take alcohol and not get drunk because I have the spirit of self control.

Courting with a lady you love that is not yet your wife can also tempt you to fornicate. If it doesn't, why do we here stories of women getting pregnant before marriage even in the church.

I carefully read all you typed. Please, read this too line by line. Don't skim through.

This is a fallacy of false equivalence. Its basic logic! This scenario doesn't align with the scenario of taking alcohol.

Indulging your appetite with alcohol isn't necessary for anything in life. It's not courtship. It's not eating. It's not sleeping. It's not central to normal life. Biko grin Why this forced uneven equivalence?

Also, self-control is to stay away from it. If I can't control my appetite to stay away, one bottle may become two. On a day you feel down, it could become a crate. Especially in this age of abundance of alcohol.

So, it's Christian practice to self control from the fanaticism about alcohol.


Temptation is not in drinking alone. Even looking at a woman can cause you to sin. So, will you pluck your eyes off?

This your constant repetition of this woman woman has me concerned. Are you really battling lust?


I sure know that we are not under the Law but the Law of Moses never gave unrighteous instructions. The scripture says that the Law is holy. So even the instruction to purchase strong drink was a holy one.

This theology is disturbing! I guess Jesus didn't know this when He constantly flouted the ordinances of Moses.

Pause, open your Bible, go read the story of Jesus' stance in the first few chapters of John 8. Read the first few chapters of Matt 19 (to verse 6). I could send more, but you may be impatient.

Now, see this:

Galatians 5:4
[4]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 2:19,21
[19]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[21]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
[9]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
[10]For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Note also that Paul writes that practicing an aspect of the law as a justification from the law (i.e. circumcisions) is to be a debtor to the whole law. Galatians 5:3

Anyone with a wholesome knowledge of the Bible knows that the law wasn't written to you. You LITERALLY cannot cherrypick ordinances of the law that justify your obsession or lust whilst leaving the rest.

Abi should buying slaves because the law of Moses permits it? Or I should utterly destroy enemies that oppose God because the law permits it. There's a reason why Jesus and then His Apostles were hated by those Jews. And there's a reason why the early believers were called CHRISTians.

Shelve your activism for alcohol for a sec. Wear thinking caps.


The difference between those under grace is that we have the ability to put the flesh under control.

Well, the singular difference is this:
Romans 6:14
[14]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


It's not hard to see that grace and law don't mix. You are not a disk jockey that will mix some part of the law that justifies your appetite with some parts of grace that suits you.

The law had its purpose; that purpose was to lead the ancient Israelites in the times they were and in the unrefined culture they lived in to grace. All the ordinances had symbolic meanings that aren't for us. This includes that one verse you're using to justify your alcohol. Read.


Galatians 3:24-25
[24]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


You see why, if you want to follow the school master that is done away with, you are a DEBTOR to do all. You can't seek justifications from the law. That makes you a debtor for all the law. You choose a part.


2 Corinthians 3:13-15
[13]And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[14]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[15]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.


You see. You can't cherrypick the law, especially the ordinances.


Even in the letters of Paul to the churches, he never said that they should never take wine. Are you greater than Paul?

Paul need not write everything explicitly. For instance, he didn't wrote to Timothy to flee youthful lusts (in 2Tim 2). The word he used was "epithumia." it's a Greek word also often used by Plato. It means "an unhealthy longing." It's an expression that has to do with appetite. So, he needs not tell Timothy not to fornicate or to use porn. That covers it.

Is alcoholism an unhealthy longing?
Answer that. Can a bottle spring to two bottles and more?
Do you stand a chance of drunkenness or getting attached to alcoholism when you indulge your appetite with alcohol.

Now Paul severely warned against drunkenness. Jesus did, too.


Paul only said, do not drink wine in excess. Please, renew your mind and stop making dogmas doctrines.

Dogma is a philosophical term that connote unreasoned beliefs that are strongly held to. They have no basis.

Here's a simple reasoning against alcoholism for a Christian.

If I would flee sin, I would practice not indulging my appetite with anything that may lead me to sin. Especially when the thing is not a necessity and has no important connection with my existence.

So many believers out of devotion to God don't indulge their appetite with alcohol. Drinking is where drunkenness starts from. Why not avoid drinking which you can?


Caveat: If you drink, I am not condemning you. This thread, written years ago, wasn't for that purpose at all. But the ideal Christian conduct is to be clean from such indulgence.

I don't know why this is raising much dust!
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 11:29pm On Feb 28
MaxInDHouse:


It's time to start lying again God's Son!

Oya quote where Jesus spoke against drinking alcoholic beverages! cheesy

Wo! 🥱 Go and be drinking your buzz jare. Shelve this infantile hide and seek.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 9:32pm On Feb 28
Ken4Christ:


I never said drunkenness is inferred as a sin, I said drinking. And there is a marked difference between both.

Fornication is a sin also. Does it mean you will not date or get close to the opposite sex because you don't want to fornicate?

First, google "fallacy of false equivalence."

Dating, btw, isn't a Bible practice. Let's say courting. Courting or speaking with a woman on nothing sexual or lustful is will in no way lead you to fornication.

But taking alcohol would. It's like tempting yourself... If the Bible calls drunkenness (intoxication) sin, I want to flee indulging my appetite with alcohol in its totality.



The argument is in the same direction. Stop defending doctrines of Old that is not backed up by scripture. After all, under the Old Testament, the Jews were instructed to use their money to buy strong drink and make merry in a yearly feast they organize. And that God of Israel is still our God today.

Under the OT, the Jews were instructed to offer burnt offerings, to not shape their hair, to kill children that insult their parents, to kill/banish fornicators or adulterers, etc.

Don't cherrypick Bible verses. If you want to live by the law, let's know you want to.

Here's the simple point. Think through it. If alcohol is what leads to drunkenness, why should I practice indulging my appetite with it? Is it compulsory to take it? Is it necessary? Is it important? And cant it cause you to stumble (figuratively and literally, yes).

As a personal devotion to God and to His word, many Christians don't take it. And that's the ideal, virtuous mindset.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 9:17pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:



Paul did not say product of the grape. He said wine
Alcohol has medicinal purposes too

For me, I drink responsibly 1
I don't drink beer, cos I don't like the sour taste of it and people you pass will easily know but I don't criticize anyone who does it. I cherish the taste of palmwine. Still, I drink responsibly 🍷

Correct! Feel free to drink jare. You can add more bottles sef. Don't force the Bible into your narrative.

BTW, do you know fresh palmwine is unfermented and isn't alcoholic. Hope y'all know that?
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 9:15pm On Feb 28
MaxInDHouse:


So when did the God who commanded what is written there condemned alcoholic beverages or sent anyone to condemn it? smiley

Abi na. The same God who commanded the jews not to stone the woman caught in adultery.

If you would follow the laws, why not follow all please.

Jesus spoke against drunkenness. Moses' laws didn't. We are called Christians not for following Jewish laws, but the teachings of Christ and His Apostles. The OT is only relevant within the scope of their teachings.

I thought this was basic though.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:36pm On Feb 28
MaxInDHouse:


You may then spend the money on whatever you desire—cattle, sheep, goats, wine and other alcoholic beverages, and anything you please; and you will eat there before Jehovah your God and rejoice, you and your household! Deuteronomy 14:26

Please quote this verse in the Bible version you just used! smiley

Eh ehn. Was that written to you? grin Na wa o. Why not read the totality of Deuteronomy na.

Burnt offerings, fruit tithing, capital punishments. 🤣 As per na you be ancient near Eastern jews
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:27pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:




1 Timothy 5:23
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.

What kind of wine is used for stomach upset? Alcoholic or non alcoholic?
Bible does not teaches abstinence from wine 😉

🤣 Paul wrote wine. You saw alcohol. Una get issues o. 🤣🥱

That literally was "fruit of the vine (grape)" which was prevalent in Paul's time and in Ephesus where Timothy to whom he wrote was. Simple, honest research should be saving you guys' these embarrassment, but una sha wan justify una alcoholism. grin

Sorry o, no be for this Bible. I left a screenshot for you.

Galatians 5:19-21
[19]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Even with this una obsession with defending taking alcohol, we can already infer drunkenness. If you feel you should start to search up and down to defend your appetite for beer, that's not so different from the man in the beer palor drinking to "satisfaction."

Again, if I would not be drunken, I would not drink. The journey to being drunken is to indulge my appetite with alcohol.

Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:13pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:


I am not supporting your fanatical ideas either

Shebi you've been rooting for alcohol all over this thread. I give you the full approval as the OP. Go on soun with your bear and azul jare.

Thread closed biko!
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:10pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:


Why then did Paul ask Timothy to drink it?
Will you use same analogy regarding talking to the opposite sex?


Ecclesiastes 9:7
Go, eat your food with rejoicing, and drink your wine with a cheerful heart, for already the true God has found pleasure in your works.

One fruitage of the spirit is self control
Only those who can't control their drinking habits should avoid alcoholic beverages

Feel free jare. Go and drink your drink with self-control.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 4:14pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:


An Olodo will write an entire epistle that makes no sense and shift goalpost
You mentioned forex, palmwine, sex, fufu, prayer points
Oga
Answer my question
Which wine makes people drunk or intoxicated and why did the chief guest say that when he drank Jesus wine?

You're suffering from mental gymnastics
Visit Yaba asap

Na on top this alcohol matter you dey throw all these tirades at him abi something else? grin

Don't mind him my guy, dey shayo dey go. Go on soun with your palmy, Hennessey, even azul if your money reach. Notin do u.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 3:47pm On Feb 28
Aemmyjah:


Too much alcohol causes drunkenness
Too much food causes gluttony

Bible is not against drinking or eating
Only excess is bad

You're constantly shifting the goal post because of this your alcohol activism. 🥱 Here comes your fallacy of false equivalence again.

The Bible is against greed as sin, not "excessive eating." There's nothing like that in scripture. (MAYBE you should do a search and come back). But the Bible is EXPLICITLY against drunkenness.

Come to think of it. You need food to survive. You don't need alcohol to survive. GOD knows. Otherwise, drunkenness won't be a sin (since He didn't give a measure).

Again, a devoted Christian won't be looking for a justification for alcoholism. He would stay clear. If alcohol can cause me to be drunken (and drunkenness is a sin), I would leave alcohol altogether. Right?
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 2:57pm On Feb 28
Ken4Christ:


I am not fighting a personal experience. I don't drink alcohol. I didn't even drink it when I was not yet saved. I am only correcting the wrong notion that drinking alcohol is sin. It's not in the Bible. It is not even inferred.

Are we back to square one?

Drunkenness isn't "interred" as a sin. It's comprehensively nailed as sin.

I would avoid alcohol then. Because it's what culminates drunkenness.

That's how a devoted Christian should think. That's the point. It's not about condemning anyone or self-righteousness, but devotion to God. Simple!

Why's this raising too much dust? Why should it? undecided Is alcohol another god?
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 8:38am On Feb 28
Ken4Christ:


It's a good counsel to tell people to avoid drinking alcohol. I agree with you. But don't condemn anyone who drinks it and didn't get drunk. This is my point. Our church fathers are not the standard for Christian living. It's the Bible.

You seem so fixated on this "not condemning" people who drink. Yet that has no bearing with this discussion. Feels like you're fighting a personal experience or something. Lol.

Well, the Bible doesn't even teach condemning any sinner, even fornicators, adulterers, etc. The godly thing is to restore them in love.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 10:50pm On Feb 27
Ken4Christ:


We are saying the same thing. Yes drunkenness starts with a little drink. It's up to you to have self control. But you can't say someone has committed a sin because he drank alcohol. So, there is no where in the scripture where it says, don't drink alcoholic wine.

I don't drink it by habit. But I don't condemn someone who drinks it. Neither did the Bible condemns those who drink it. The issue is just a mindset thing. We have been taught by our church fathers that it's a sin to drink alcoholic drink but we never cared to search if it's so in the scripture.

Church fathers teaching you to stay off alcohol is not bad. Isn't it better to stay away if you can't tell how or when drunkenness may befall you?

Except you have a wild appetite, I don't get why anyone would be obsessed about searching out the Bible just to find justification for taking alcohol! angry

Here's the simple point: drunkenness starts with taking alcohol.
Is taking alcohol important to your existence?

Must you take alcohol to live your regular life?

Will you be okay if you stay off alcohol?

Do you stand a beter chance to avoid falling into the sin of drunkenness by avoiding alcohol altogether?

Answer all these in your mind. It's precise! It all boils down on level of personal devotion to God.

Leave story.
Sports / Re: I Want To Return To Super Eagles – Maduka Okoye by damosky12(m): 6:53pm On Feb 27
EreluRoz:
You are always welcome 🤗. I stopped liking you when I discovered you are a babydaddy.

Women please in all you do, never marry a babydaddy they'll always go back to sleep with the mother of their baby in the name of child care and visits just like Davido, tuface and others are doing. They'll stylishly trick you into polygamy against your wish while deceiving you with the married title. Be wise

How did you manage to turn a topic on football to relationship counsel?

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Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:38pm On Feb 27
Ken4Christ:


It still doesn't make it a sin. Even excess eating is sin. Does it mean you will not eat because you are afraid of eating excess?

The Bible is precise about drunkenness. Not "excess eating." Read the original post again.

You'd often find the expression "not given to wine" as an ideal Christian conduct. 1 Timothy 3:3.

Pay attention.
Here's the simple point: drunkenness starts with taking alcohol. Is taking alcohol important to your existence?
Must you take alcohol to live your regular life?
Will you be okay if you stay off alcohol?
Do you stand a beter chance to avoid falling into the sin of drunkenness by avoiding alcohol altogether?

Answer all these in your mind. It's precise! It all boils down on level of personal devotion to God.
Religion / Re: Correcting Freeze's Heretic Assertion That "Jesus Drank Alcohol" by damosky12(m): 5:30pm On Feb 27
MaxInDHouse:


Fornication and adultery starts with engaging a female stranger in discussion {John 4:7} so never talk to female strangers! smiley

Fallacy of false equivalence (read up on it).

I think its high time govt made logic compulsory in all secondary schools.

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