johnog4sure:

No mind the thief, I went to one of the best bible schools in this country, so I know all the tricks they teach these charlatans to use in deceiving people, my brother if you go bible school, you will weep for this country, its like a training ground to practice lying and deceiving people, many of these guys are either graduands or are serving one of their slave masters. I ready for them today make them mention me.

You are already calling names. Haba! Bible school graduate!!

I left you a response to your mention since o. Let's chat na. Let's discuss God's word!

johnog4sure:

You just ended up using those verses to further expose yourself:

1. Your first example Jesus did not ask(collect), they chose to minister(serve) him with their substance, they could have serve in any other way they choose.

They chose to serve him with their money abi. Who taught them abeg? Did Jesus teach giving? Did He teach His disciples to give?

Yiu shouldn't confuse yourself, my friend. Shelve your emotions. These folks followed Jesus. They gave to Him. He collected. It takes a collection for giving to happen. Shebi?

2. The purse was originally meant for the poor, Judas was even suspected to have ulterior motive, Jesus knew very well you cannot go about speaking grammar without giving to the poor, so the purse was there for the poor. Please recall they have a financier Luke and not the poor people they are ministering to.

You are just using your own sense to rationalize things here. A financier Luke where abeg??

3. here you quoted the bible and maliciously decided to give it your own meaning, the exact things Nigerian pastors do always. that verse clearly said for the feast and needy. You refuse to accept it, you said its for pastors because the money is much, I assume you were with Judas then.

I see you have a grouse with "Nigerian pastors." It makes sense why you're trying to cook out a point to suit you.

You have no scriptural basis. Yet you skip the contexts of the ones I posted here. No Biblical basis for Jesus giving money to the poor. See his theology on that:

John 12:4-8
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
[7]Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
[8]For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Jesus taught from place to place with twelve grown men. They ate. They bathed. They changed clothes. But they weren't working. They apparently needed money for their ministry.

That was what that giving of those who gave to Him is for. It is a Biblical order right from the old testament. The Priests who served solely in spiritual things lived by the givings of the congregation of Israel. That was the reasoning behind this:

1 Corinthians 9:13
[13]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

4. Most of you pastors say God called you to work, God should pay you as his labourer or are you saying God is not faithful enough? The labourer the writer is refering to here is not just preachers, they include cleaners, masons, transporters etc. including those outside the church. But in Nigerian churches is only the GOs that swallow the money and still have the audacity to brag for being rich, right in front of those who donated the funds.

You are trying too hard to rewrite the Bible. And it's funny, but sad. It's funny because, you want your bias to be so true. It's sad because you're blinding your mind to the truth because if your aversion for "Nigerian pastors "

The labourer in 1Tim 5:18 are "elders" (church leaders) that "rule well" (lead church well). See verse 17. He says they deserve "double honour" (which is in reference to their wages). I'm sorry. But your bias or aversion doesn't change what's written.

It's similar to what you find in

Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

You could check other versions for clarity. It teaches giving to your pastor (the one that pastors you or teaches you God's word). Share all good things with them (money and material things inclusive).

That's why Paul asks:

1 Corinthians 9:11
[11]If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

Isn't this so clear, my friend?

Giving to your pastor isn't to enrich them or cheat yourself. It's to support the work they do. A church does well and the gospel prospers when we support the men God uses to lead the work. That's our part in the gospel.

Finally you repeated the same thing, read a bible verse then choose to maliciously interpret to suit you. God go punish those who add or remove from his word. Say Amen! if this is scriptural.

Amen.

I don't add to the Bible. Ask questions and I'll show you the context. If you may, read through the contexts of all I have shown you, you'd see that the message in them is clear.

Start by erasing your aversion for "pastors." You can't hate "Nigerian pastors" because you don't agree with some (or all). Start by knowing thats some of those "Nigerian pastors" are God sent.

LexngtonSteele:


Na you he dey pain.

I said pay your tithe and bring your wife. Stop sweating like a Christmas goat and answer your god.

be like e pepper you o. No vex my guy.

We go follow our pastor headlessly. We go pay our offerings and tithes.

You noise no go pass nairaland my guy. You no exist.

LexngtonSteele:


Lol. The extent to which you guys asslick Pastors always amaze me.

If you catch a Pastor mercilessly banging your wife / daughter on your matrimonial bed, I bet you would help to force her legs 🦵 open wider.

I have seen a lot of your posts defending the Pastors with every fibre of your being... your case is....if I say "hopeless", it will seem I am insulting you so I wouldn't say it.

I will soon become a Pastor. You must pay your tithes to me, I promise not to spare the rod for your wife if she's my specs.

I will part her thighs with my rod like Moses parted the Red Sea. Na your tithes I go use buy condoms and aphrodisiacs. Now shout "Hallelujah"

Why una wey no get church commitment dey like carry church issue for head sef?

You no dey follow pastor. Them no dey collect your offering or tithe. Why d matter dey pain you so?? no be juju be that

Desusi:

I love your contribution my brother. You're a star,God bless you.What further witnesses and references do will need? You have hammer the thread with powerful biblical references. If you do not take pains to dig out these now,everyone would be praising unlearned pastors whose God is their belly. If however the price of fuel would not come down,it means no more offering making Bible a liar?

Absolutely, Sir. Thank you. We stay with truth of the Bible always! Not the Godless comfort zone of the world

Psoul:


This a wholesome explanation.
Only a fo0l and haters of God and His servants will argue it.

Thank you! Some folks (supposed Christians) are hurt when giving is taught. It's almost bewildering.

folks4luv:

Collecting offerings is different from people donating, except you can provide a scripture where Offering was called or basket passed after Jesus preached or taught. Stay with what the bible says

Lol. You obviously aren't a Bible student.

Offering in churches simply means collection or giving. The origin of it is Bible giving and Bible's teaching on giving.

Whether they pass baskets or they give before or after teaching, what matters is that there's got to be a giving.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Basket o. After preaching o. Before preaching o. Bible sha teaches devotion to giving to the local church and church leaders.

Toluwanise247:

Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

What is the context of this insult? Are you hurt by the Bible scriptures or by what exactly?

Mariangeles:
Just so you know, Ola also means jewel in Igbo language. 💎

But why is olaniyi laughed at by igbos. What does it mean?

michlins:
offerings were never part of the Bible. The early apostles collected offerings so as to help the needy and cater for the full time workers in the church.

Right now, it's different. Pastors are now richer than the church and probably don't need the money again. So this is a step in the right direction to take off the burden from the members

No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue rent or maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

Malroux:
The east will be home to 90% Nigerians in the next ten years.

You people don't have to get tribal about this na.

I'm not sure the East is even home to 50% of easterners, talk of 50% of Nigerians. Easterners have to start by truly loving and developing their own home lands.

AbuAeesha:
The fully covered Muslim woman's beauty can/Should be assesed by those worthy enough (her husband)and not to lustful eyes around.
Get that right,it is simple!

How simple...

But a man's handsomeness can be assessed by all and sundry abi?

In some few years time, when reality set in, they will look back at this video and laugh.

Wetin mexican and Korean sope operas do us too that year. Infatuation things

armyofone:


Really ? But corrupt people are caught no matter how long unlike Nigeria.

Lol. One of the biggest issues with some of you guys here is inferiority complex. Western media has successfully deceived you guys and projected the west as a lighthouse.

The US has a corrupt political cartel that has been untouched for decades. The US is madly corrupt. It's like an organised setting for dark corruption.

blowjohn:
They can't nail him with corruption or something office related.


Na woman matter dem want use

Those guys desperate gan. Lol. They want to take full control of their political destiny, and Trump is their main fear...

Glimpsetv:
Men, USA ain't playing. The question is, does our system here permit this kind of thing? Can we ever get to a point where a past president or former leader can be held accountable for any perceived or alleged crime committed?

The support some of these leaders get from the masses alone sometimes affects the ability and willingness of any relevant authority to question our past leaders. Imagine trying to castigate this governor after his tenure if found wanting. His supporters will quickly take to the streets to protest victimization and all.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIIN0NtZUXo

The corruption in usa is worse, if you're following the trend. It's political persecution and election interference. It's like APC weaponizing the legal and judicial system to weaken pdp presidential candidate if it's seeming like they'll lose. I mean its so glaring! They ain't really hiding it and they're desperate!

TINTINABULATION:
The proper title should have been " Prophet Odumeje Arrives London for His Highly Anticipated Comedy Show"

Abi. To these bloggers, anybody is just a pastor once they hace people sitting down to watch them.

KingEarnest:
Na true. E dey hug person.

Pythons rarely bite and they aren't venomous.

Geovanni412:


Sex is not overrated

Money is not overrated

Health is extremely underrated


If you have poor health, neither money nor sex will be enjoyable to you.

There is no solution to many health challenges that affects our organs.

Yet, how many of us use 30 mins a day to read up on proper nutrition or take regular lab tests?

This, here, is a fallacy! An error in thinking.

Its called "shifting the goal post."

If you disagree that sex is overrated, make lucid points for it. That's the topic on the thread. You don't have to sneak in your contrary view this dishonestly.

Blupen:
Sex is not overrated ooh
Something way senator dey do
Na just money we no get to enjoy life fully

You don't have to assume that everyone is broke because they say sex is overrated.

Senator or commissioner doing it doesn't disprove that sex offers you nothing but fleeting pleasure. In minutes its over and real life is there waiting for you.

Sirchiboy:
Na our stupid dick when no dey think or use him number 6 dey deceive us.
Nothing dey there.
Na just infections

Sex is too overrated!

The true value of it is in a loving marriage! God designed it to be in marriage, not this perversion of it today...

Pclemenza:
Elon Mocks Facebook

Elon Musk’s Facebook

Try saying "Elon Musk mocks Facebook" five times together.

Chukwuka319:
Why do ignorant fools keep arguing about things like this? If the Whites in all their civilization believe in vampires,wendigoes, fairies, witchcraft, ghosts, Shapeshifting, and make Horror Movies based on them,who are the ignorant African dimwits to argue?

Leave those ignoramuses forming woke jare.

If you carry any scary-looking fake juju chase them, them go tear race o. But them gats form woke now to feel intelligent.

There's more to life than what we see with our physical eyes. And that's a truth we're all born with.

richiemcgold:
This is probably a gang attack. The environment doesn't look Nigerian though. Quite funny how his assailants came back to the same spot again and again, yet couldn't see him right there beside them.

Lol. It's obviously not a natural evasion. It's got spiritism written all over it!

There's more to life than empirical logic.

CheedyJ:

Na Messi kill d blacks abi

Abeg help me ask am.

MaxInDHouse:


God commanded His worshipers to drink alcoholic beverages and at the same time told them not to drink too much.

For instance God gave the Israelites quales to eat when they demanded for meat but when they ate too much He punished them.

Does it mean we must stop eating meat since God punished them for eating too much?

Ọmọ you're teaching the doctrine of men!

Sorry o. I haven't been able to make sense of your own "rebuttals." They sound too far behind. Seems you also enjoy constituting nuisance too.

I recommend you actually start from submitting in an actual church where they serve Jesus and teach Bible. Leave nairaland religious threads. I can't help you. It'll be too much task.

This beer palpur theology is a thing though. 😐

It goes like this: the Bible says drunkenness is a sin. Therefore, the Bible says we can drink. So, we can drink, but we would stop drinking before we get drunk." What a dishonest devotion? 🤣 Just an excuse (or justification?) to indulge their appetite as some would even defend any sin they're guilty of.

Here are questions to keep us sane:

1. if the Bible describes drunkenness as a sin, does it give a measure of how much alcohol to drink before slipping into drunkenness or before counting as "given to excess alcohol"?


2. If the Bible describes drunkenness as a sin, how wholesome is it for me to tell myself, "let me go for alcohol - just one bottle and I'll stop?" Does that sound like I'm devoted to actually staying far from sin?



3. If the epistles teach against drunkenness, would it be okay to conclude from texts like "dont be drunk with excess wine" (Eph 5:18) or "much wine" as a go ahead to self-indulge our appetite with alcohol? Wouldn't we be picking these texts out of context?

"If the epistles says much wine is sin, therefore, it is saying little wine is fine." How reasonable is that, given that it gives no measurement for what is much or little, what is excess or not excess?


4. Considering all, would it not be crystal clear that the Bible teaches against self-indulging with alcohol? (Not necessarily alcohol use as alcohol has been used in preparation of some foods, preservation of foods, medicinal purposes, etc.).

Wouldn't we be better off to maintain a stance against indulging alcohol (which is what the epistles severally infer), especially as a doctrinal matter?


CONCLUSION: Drunkenness or being "given to alcohol" cannot happen when we don't self-indulge with alcohol. If we do, it can and most likely would happen as there's no divine measurement for what's "excess" alcohol for anyone.

Recall, the epistles teach FLEEING (to run totally from or japa from) sin. 1Tim 6:11, 2 Tim 2:22, 1 corinth 6:18. The Christian's godly response to sin is to flee, not to apply self-control or use will power to scale through. But the "beer parlour doctrine" seems to believe otherwise: "indulge with alcohol, but try escape getting drunk. And you're good."

Self deceit seeking justification.

Ken4Christ:


I know you are shocked to see that there is not a single scripture condemning drinking alcohol. Just show me one.

I don't drink alcohol by habit. I can stay years without tasting it. But I don't condemn Christians who take it. And the scripture don't either.

"A single scripture..." 🥱 Says so much about your theology! It's muffled man! But God can help you if you'll allow Him.

Ken4Christ:


Please stop being proud. Accept the truth. The scripture only cautious against drunkenness. And I proved it to you. But you are saying, don't drink so you don't get drunk. It's a good counsel and your personal opinion.

I am saying that the one who drinks and don't get drunk hasn't committed any sin unless it is done in manners and ways as to cause a weak soul to stumble.

I am proud now?.. 🤣 For what? For not succumbing to your alcoholic "truth?" Beer parlour "truth!" Ah! Nairaland baffles me o.

You know what you're defending so hard? It's not alcohol o. It's a fallen devotion standard.

Ken4Christ:


You are going round in circles.

I repeat that the Bible never said don't drink alcoholic drinks. It only condemns drunkenness which you have also noted. Your point is don't drink at all to avoid the temptation of getting drink. And I said that is your personal opinion. The scripture never said that.

Not given to wine simply means to get addicted to it. It never said, don't drink wine.

The one who drinks and didn't get drunk has not sinned. Period.

Can you calm down and read. Stop this bubbly hurrying to give a blanket rebuttal like this. I am believing you have self-control.

Respond paragraph by paragraph if it'll help. Go over it. Then respond by reasoning from scriptures. That's what I did. Not this "it's your opinion" fallacy. Show that the scripture contradicts my stance. Do the epistles tilt more towards encouraging alcoholism or discouraging it?

And bracket your bias for a second. I'm believing you can. Na "4 Christ" dey your name so. The evidence is before you!