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fergie001:
Would a Senator or NA-member help them out their children into the Judiciary?

I dont get you

fergie001:
If they were running for National Assembly seats, they would have been sacked, but Governor, President....haba

Double standards

fergie001:
It is not a matter of angle.

Our Courts and Judges have a subtle way of protecting Presidents & Governors from this pre-election wahala. Too numerous examples abound, which I am sure you are well aware of.

The man pursuing this case in Court has a well-documented Certificate problem himself, so it goes round to many of them.

As for where the problem lies......I will tell you after the case

The bolded summarized everything

fergie001:
He should have said something else because Oba argued the same reason at the tribunal.

I know in my own NIGERIAN mind that one or two things isn't right, but I don't think it is the degree Cert....it is something else!

So you are finally seeing from my angle? Why would I take my friend to court for forgery if am not sure he did so? I also think there is a forgery somewhere between his primary and secondary school probably the affidavit.

fergie001:
The worst thing is that APC PW3 (Professor Emmanuel Balogun) even said it that the document was longer than A4 and when photocopied will leave some details out.

I was asking myself if he wasn't told what to say before he came to Court.

He is under oath not to lie

Agboriotejoye:
What infractions exactly? Everyone knows electoral matters have time limit. Even if he committed forgery in 2016, how exactly does that affect 2019 elections? Is election a continuum now?

Have you read the supreme court ruling posted by fergie?

AAA593:
Lyon football club of France

The man who trashed ugly diri on the field of bayelsa

Judeerons32:
They were so much in haste that they were blind to see the essential information in a certificate was missing lol. He still hasn’t explained how he has 2 graduation dates. 1976 and 1979.

Gbam.

Racoon:
UI-the issuing authority have authenticate and re-authenticate the Obaseki certificate issue.This have settled it & not a classmate.

A lots of certificate forgers full the APC in particular but they are all being shielded in their haven of Oluwole.Just because you part ways with someone does not make what you defended in 2016 becomes a case/lawsuit in 2020.

So pdp is not a den of forgers? Salisu buhari,Chris abah

AAA593:
No dey quote dansuqi again. E dey deceive people

Up lyon

[quote author=engineerboat post=97755766][/quote]The PW-5, Engineer Gabriel Iduseri, identified himself as the former South South zonal youth leader of the APC and the present caretaker zonal youth leader of the APC.

He tendered a copy of a suit marked FHC/B/CS/124/2016, which the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, previously instituted against Obaseki for allegedly forging his certificate.

The witness told the court that the case was subsequently struck out after the time for its determination elapsed.

fergie001:
UI has come out today to say the certificate wasn't forged.

Hmmm

fergie001:
Affidavit of 2016 and the contentious waec and degree certificates submitted in 2016.

Then it is settled

fergie001:
Exactly.
UI has to come forward to testify to help him, the same way UST testified to help the Bayelsa Deputy Governor. (either in writing or via a representative)

No.they must come in person and identify and authenticate his cert

cktheluckyman:
bros cant you see you are making a fool of yourself here? Your co-travellers have already seen that the case is dead and has abandoned the thread.

Mynd44 lalasticlala oam4j rule 2 and 3 broken

cktheluckyman:
link!!!

Search for it like you did the abah case

cktheluckyman:
UI will definitely be subpoenated.Their testimony is very germaine to this case

They may not.common inec,dem fear

fergie001:
Funny thing is that Abuja Court and that affidavit wasn't even called to question from exhibits I have seen.
No witnesses on that subject matter.

I don't think the APC pleaded that.

True but they pleaded something about 2016 perjury

Agboriotejoye:
So you really believe a court will disqualify a sitting governor in his second term based on "infractions" in his first term.
And you expect me to think you're smart o

The unsmart one is clearly not me.did you read the supreme court ruling posted by fergie? What is the position of the law on those infractions? I though you are a supporter of the rule of law or is it closet hypocrism?

fergie001:
https://www.nairaland.com/5932650/trouble-looms-high-court-says
This info says FHC but the affidavit was at the FCT High Court.
State High Courts are "anycomers-affair".

It didn't come up in the pleadings neither was any witness called to that effect.

It doesn't matter the court but if its forged is the koko.the fifth witness yesterday presented documents pertaining to 2016 submissions by obaseki

FarahAideed:
Is this how APC wants to do ? It's time Makinde proscribe Amotekun IN OYO since they have become an APC propaganda tool

Stop misbehaving na

engineerboat:
Which is why Abah Case is totally different from Obaseki.

However, UI is expected to testify before the court, except otherwise

It is not different, it is similar.you can't find another similar case.ui might not even testify.

fergie001:
How?

The 2016 affidavit he presented came from there and they debunked it

Agboriotejoye:
Which forged affidavits

2016

engineerboat:
Let Me help YOU



https://thestreetjournal.org/2017/03/no-place-for-certificate-forgers-in-electoral-system-supreme-court/

can you now relate how the two are the same

You came late engineercanoe.barrister fergie already posted the full supreme court judgment.can I get it for you?

fergie001:
Election cases are sui generis (i.e in a class of its own).

A Governor, his Deputy, President and Vice-President do not enjoy immunity as enshrined in Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution as amended, when it comes to election cases.

The Supreme Court in Kakih v PDP & 2 Ors., the celebrated case of Saleh v Abah., Maihaja v Geidam., Audu v INEC, Imam v Ali Modu Sherriff and so many other decided authorities have aptly put it that you don't need previous conviction to ascertain forgery when it comes to election cases. (It is in the link I sent you earlier).

All that is needed is a Proof that Mr. A submitted a forged document and the Issuing Authority stamping it as true.

In the case of Saleh v Abah, the Federal Polytechnic, Mubi emphatically said Abah didn't graduate from their school.

Abah argued like you have stated up there that conviction must have been proven but the Supreme Court said NO.

Like I have said, Obaseki's path of glory is the UNIVERSITY OF IBADAN.

Let me add Fct high court

cktheluckyman:
I agree with you on arresting and prosecuting someone who commits forgery.The thing however is that Obaseki has immunity as a validly elected Governor.

As long as he was not convicted of forgery before his election as Governor, the election stands and he remains covered by immunity

If UI said he graduated then there is nothing for the APC to prove as their case will die a natural death

BTW there has never been a court ruling convicting Obaseki of having submitted forged documents to INEC before

Oga,you still do not understand his point upon the length he went to educate you.what he means is that as far as you submitted any forged document 20 years ago and it can still be proven, you can be punished by the courts at any time.immunity does not cover any electoral case whether pre or post election.did obaseki submit forged documents in 2016 or not?

fergie001:
I don't know how much you know about electoral matters especially as it affects Obaseki.

I sent you a full Supreme Court judgement for a purpose; to read & digest.

EXHIBIT BL
If you send a forged document to INEC in 1990 and it wasn't noticed then, and you remove that document from your materials and contest in 2020; If it is PROVEN by the issuing authority, that what you submitted in 1990 was FORGED, you will be sacked, arrested & prosecuted unless you get a pardon like Salisu Buhari did.

Incase you don't know, I will tell you.
On INEC forms given to any aspirant, there is a column that states;
"Have you ever presented forged documents to INEC" (Yes/No)

Even if you participate in that election and lose.....you still fall under category Exhibit BL above. It is normal for every aspirant to say NO.

Obaseki's Grace here is that UI has said he graduated there, and APC has to prove "beyond every reasonable doubt" that he forged his documents.....a situation I don't see for obvious reasons and have adumbrated since last year.

I have promised myself I intend to deal on new cases here this year.

Kai, I was about to ask or say that since he wasnt indicted in 2016,he will escape.your expose above cleared all doubts.but his saving grace will no more ui but the abuja court and whether he forged affidavit or not..
Buhari or his handlers or both are intelligent.no wonder he never submitted any document knowing that it might be forged

Agboriotejoye:
Lol. Be patient. It will get to that stage.
Just as presenting that prof's certificate does not make it original too.
The issuing authority has to authenticate both in court.

Wait till then before rejoicing.dont also forget his forged affidavits

fergie001:
https://lawcarenigeria.com/hon-hassan-anthony-saleh-v-christian-adabah-abah-ors2017/

cktheluckyman...The full SC judgement.

He submitted in 2011 and didn't in 2015.

Nonetheless, if I follow precedence of our cases so far: Oshiomhole, Ayade, Abiodun, etc.......Oba will leave there in 2024.

How so?

Agboriotejoye:
And the case was always going to die at that point.

No sir.presenting it does not make it original.let the issuing authorities do so in court

cktheluckyman:
https://www.nairaland.com/3675833/christian-abah-certificate-forgery-supreme

Just saw the link.Chris Adaba was sacked for presenting forged documents in the 2015 elections and not 2011 elections!!

Sorry bro.You will wait until Obaseki leaves office to try him for forgery

Did you not see where 2011 was mentioned there