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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 7:16pm On Jun 22, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
My Faith nah!

But you, what exactly are you doing on this thread and most importantly why mentioning me after typing this:

Answer the questions in the IOP,and stop beating around the Bush. Your answers so far are embarrassing.



Better humble yourself and learn because real atheists don't go about worrying themselves over what believers are discussing, they truly truly believe in their hearts that all what we're discussing is absurdity {1Corinthians 2:14} but if you're always here with us then you're not really sure of yourself! wink
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 7:10pm On Jun 22, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Thank God!

Atheists now know they have no business in the midst of believers! smiley
Go and knock more doors,you might be able to sell more of this weeks copies of Awake and Watchtower. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 7:07pm On Jun 22, 2023
vdestro:
Saying my answer is weak without you pointing out the flaw just proves that my answer was perfect and you could not find any reasonable fault with it, hence you spoke emptily and you are just being a devil come to prevent people from understanding God.
The answer is very simple but because the shackles on your hands and legs are so strong you wouldn't recognise the answer if it slapped your face. Keep wallowing in the delusion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 6:59pm On Jun 22, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

OP said:



Is this not the same intolerant spirit of Boko Haram?

Must you always jump into whatever believers are discussing with insults and abusive speeches?

Ọmọ let me tell you the bitter truth:
The only reason you're not killing people right now is because you can't find a group to support your evil intentions towards people whose thinking contradicts yours!

Whether they're making sense or not they have the freedom to express themselves after all they're not insulting or attacking you not to air your own opinion so why must you go about insulting others for sharing thoughts? smiley
Hilarious!!! grin grin grin

Responding to this will be a waste of time and effort. Bye.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 6:57pm On Jun 22, 2023
vdestro:
If you say it is absurd point out the absurdity and let us all see if you indeed have a reasonable query or objection
My point is your answer to the OP questions is VERY,VERY....very weak. If you don't know the answer stop disgracing yourself with silly answers.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 6:54pm On Jun 22, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I believe the OP was addressing BELIEVERS and not ATHEISTS!

So you're the one killing yourself over what has nothing to do with you since you don't believe in God you have no business coming to this thread! wink
Your answer can not convince a child not to talk of an adult.
Your infantile answer is a serious ridicule of organised religion. Even Jesus would be ashamed of you. If you dont know the answer, just wait for a strong Christian to come and answer the question. You are driving more believers to atheism with this you silly answers. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 6:49pm On Jun 22, 2023
vdestro:
Simple.

It is because what is wrongly called old testatament shows contains the relationship of God with man when the relationship was new.

Exactly like a new relationship between a man and a woman.

But the more the relationship is bad therefore the parties must drift apart and relate less.

That is why there is a difference which is why God's Last Word technically to all men is "it is finished"!

So, it is still the same God Who flowed and acted according to how the relationship with man deteriorated.
This is even more absurd than MaxIntheHouse2 answer.
Is it a must to attempt to answer a question of which you have no frcking idea of the answer? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is The God In The New Testament Different? by Dantedasz(m): 6:46pm On Jun 22, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I have answered that but it seems you wanted a short answer when the question can't be answered in few sentences.

God is the same Character always it's because most people don't know what Jesus came to establish that's why they think this way.

God will destroy all evildoers so that obedient mankind can enjoy everlasting life in Paradise but before then a case need to be settled:
Will humans do God's will wholeheartedly?
A role model need to set the pace so before the arrival of this role model anyone standing in the way to disrupt God's plan will be taken away fast fast that's why you see God differently in the old testament.

To illustrate: imagine a ruler who wants to save his people from Invaders but the Invaders have insiders working with them so the King was picking up the insiders and killing them, surely anymore who don't know the good will of this king will see him as a monster but by the time peace is achieved in his domain all his subjects will understand that it was the bad eggs he was removing for the good ones to enjoy his rulership! smiley
OP,
Does this sound logical to you. This cannot even convince a three year old child.
How can this mumbo-jumbo be the answer to why the god in the old testament is different from the god in the new testament of the Bible?
This is how they drive believers to atheism and to become agnostics with their zero answers.
Why not keep quiet if you do not know the answer to a question?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 11:15am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are not even being reasonable neither do you think critically. you just want things to go your way. see let me tell you, you are either on the side of the devil or on the side of God. dont fool yourself thinking that the way you are going now is better than either side nor to think that your standing on the fence. if you are a so called critical thinker please think again. the world is already run by satan and his minions. that is why those who rule the world are deep into occult. go look at the one dollar bill and tell me from your critical thinking what a pyramid with an eye at the top is doing there, a well known occultic symbol. or maybe you can use your critical thinking to scientifically explain it.I dey wait.
Are the emboldened not insults?
You know how to dish out,but you cannot take it. If you want to fight for your so called storm God,at least have a thick skin.
I am done with you and your delusions.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 11:11am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are busy talking like a 12year old. the fact that you as a human being exist today is an emerical proof of the creator God who did so in his image. beacuse we humas create and design things. e.g a mercedes benz can be created by humas in a week but can never evolve on its own in a quintillion years.

if you dont believe in a creator God then you will believe in evolution which has no emperical proof as a matter of there is an emperical proof that it is false. so you can see that their is no fence to stand on.

if you dont believe in God ,then how do you think the wprld was created or how were humans and life form made?

if you dont believe in the devil, then why are leaders around the world involved in one occultic practice or the other since ancient times till today. how come this leaders seem not to serve the interest of the people?

there are two masters in this world ,if you are not in the camp of one automatically you are in the other.
Who started the subtle abuse? You don't have monopoly of insults. You should stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat. You have been passing subtle insults since we began this discussion. Only one I gave you and you are jumping like a cat on a hot stove.
I am done with you. Bye.
Christianity Etc › Re: Random Musings On Religion. by Dantedasz(op): 11:02am On Jun 19, 2023
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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 10:43am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are busy talking like a 12year old. the fact that you as a human being exist today is an emerical proof of the creator God who did so in his image. beacuse we humas create and design things. e.g a mercedes benz can be created by humas in a week but can never evolve on its own in a quintillion years.

if you dont believe in a creator God then you will believe in evolution which has no emperical proof as a matter of there is an emperical proof that it is false. so you can see that their is no fence to stand on.

if you dont believe in God ,then how do you think the wprld was created or how were humans and life form made?

if you dont believe in the devil, then why are leaders around the world involved in one occultic practice or the other since ancient times till today. how come this leaders seem not to serve the interest of the people?

there are two masters in this world ,if you are not in the camp of one automatically you are in the other.
Honestly,you sound like a deluded child. I wish you well. The brainwashing and delusion is very deep. The shackles are very strong. Have a good day.
Christianity Etc › Re: Random Musings On Religion. by Dantedasz(op): 10:40am On Jun 19, 2023
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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 10:32am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
I guess at this point you have ran out of excuse. even you as human, when you give birth to a child you must have a plan and purpose for that child, some times you let them go through some situations in life in other to teach them some life lessons.

the porpose of everything we go through in this life especially believers is to connect and make us recognise our lord jesus christ and to let us know that he is our helper, the one who has enabled us and given us eternal life in this way we will not take pride in our selfs but in him.

satan and his angels were created perfect yet still they rebelled.. you know why? because they do not recognize God as their enabler , they were made powerful beigns just like the gods and as such they rebelled.
At the emboldened,
Did I claim to be an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient,all powerful creator of heavens and earth and all therein?
Stop comparing apples to oranges,please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 10:25am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are not even being reasonable neither do you think critically. you just want things to go your way. see let me tell you, you are either on the side of the devil or on the side of God. dont fool yourself thinking that the way you are going now is better than either side nor to think that your standing on the fence. if you are a so called critical thinker please think again. the world is already run by satan and his minions. that is why those who rule the world are deep into occult. go look at the one dollar bill and tell me from your critical thinking what a pyramid with an eye at the top is doing there, a well known occultic symbol. or maybe you can use your critical thinking to scientifically explain it.I dey wait.
Quite Frankly I don't believe in anything that cannot be empirically proved. Satan,gods,spirits demons, talking snakes,talking donkeys,angels,fairies,organised religion,virgin birth,resurrection, are all fables to me. I don't believe in anything that can not be rationally proven. That is why when I discuss with adherents of religion I quote your religious books to show the folly of religion in all forms.
I know it is not easy to break free from the shackles of religion. In fact I don't get involved in religious arguments because it will lead nowhere except a circular movement.
Christianity Etc › Re: Random Musings On Religion. by Dantedasz(op):
Codex Gigas.

Codex Gigas,also known as the devil's Bible,because of the image of the devil therein.

Christianity Etc › Re: Random Musings On Religion. by Dantedasz(op): 9:59am On Jun 19, 2023
The devil's Bible.

Like what I always say,to be a critical thinker,you can not be a part of religion. If you read over various fields and do a lot of research, you can not be a part of religion. Once you start to do research and think critically, the shackles of delusion will fall off and you will begin to see things on a higher and different level. All what you were taught from birth will be shattered. Only if you are ready to banish your FEARS AND DOGMA. A heavy weight will be off your shoulders and you become FREE.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 9:58am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
yes, he has purposed and will accomplish his pleasure.
Like I said have a nice day. When you are ready to view things critically, then we can have a discussion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 9:48am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
everything has its appointed time. like I told you the ways of God is not the ways of man.

if God had destroyed satan then Gods future plan for salvation would not have come to pass and mankind would not have multuplied to what we have today. thus the promised kingdom of God would not come. everything has a purpose and time. Gods ultimate plane is to bring mankind into the kingdom he has prepared even before the world was.

any more questions?
Are you guys not tired of mouthing the emboldened? It has gotten to be cliche and boring. I am not ready to keep going round in circles with you. Your answers are all typical. I am not surprised because religion is based on blind faith and not critical thinking. Once you start to think critically, you can not be a part of religion.
Have a nice day.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 8:31am On Jun 19, 2023
Lawag3:
You know that you don't need Satan to urge to sleep with a sexy naked woman do you?

It was his foresight that made him destroy the world not Satan his benevolent that made him spare Noah and and his family giving humanity a fresh start. Don't worry Satan's time is coming.
The emboldened is quite amusing, but completely out of the point I am raising. The fact is I can quote so many verses in the Bible that shows that Yahweh and Satan are best of friends. They are like ying and yang. In fact in the Bible they come across as symbiotic entities . The two of them need each other to survive. That is why God would leave Satan alone and destroy humanity. That is why God would curse Adam,Eve and the serpent and all their descendants and leave Satan alone.
According to your bible God and Satan are two sides of one coin.

You may like to read Job chapter 2. Happy reading.


2 On another day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

3 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”

4 “Skin for skin!” Satan replied. “A man will give all he has for his own life. 5 But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

6 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 8:07am On Jun 19, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
the ways of God is not the ways of man. satan will be destroyed in his time. men where warned to repent and they refused. a man has the choice to choose what they do. when man sinned in the begining hi eyes where opened and thus making him to become like the gods knowing good and evil. and so man became liable to bear the consequences of his sins, and the wages of sin is death. but God never takes action unlesss he gives out a warning which in this case only 8 people heeded and were saved after 150 years of warning.
Please stop feeding me eba,without soup. The simple question is why has an Almighty god refused to destroy Satan but chose to destroy humanity with floods during the time of Noah.
If you don't know the answer it is not compulsory to comment.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 8:03am On Jun 19, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni don't kill yourself over matters of faith if you want to know something you calm down and reason not judging from your preconceived thoughts then expecting everyone to agree with you!

Satan is misleading the whole inhabited earth but only those that already have bad motives that could be influenced by Satan.

If you are made a judge in a law court will you punish only the initiator of robbery and leave the real armed robbers?

Job's case has settled the whole thing only evil people could be influenced by Satan as for integrity keepers Satan can't influence them no matter what happens.

So if Satan is destroyed today someone else will still initiate evil that's why time is needed to settle this matter once and for all.

It will be in record forever that sin was initiated and all those that took the path of sin were destroyed {Matthew 7:13-14} WHY? Because it caused lots and lots of pains for both the sinners and their innocent neighbours! wink
At the emboldened,
What I know about organised religion,in my little finger(pinky) is more than what you know in your whole body. My last response to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 7:46am On Jun 19, 2023
Lawag3:
Satan is not the source of sin. Yeah he brought it to this world but he is not the source.

He is the first sinner though sin has always existed I think it comes with free will.

If God were to kill Satan today people will still sin.
ASSUMPTIONS!!!
The simple question is why would an omniscient,omnipotent and benevolent god,leave Satan (to continue leading humanity astray) and instead destroy humanity with floods water during Noahs time.
It is not necessary for you to comment if you don't know the answer,instead of wriggling and turning eba without soup
Christianity Etc › Re: Random Musings On Religion. by Dantedasz(op):
Marcion of Sinope

An early theologian named Marcion tried his utmost to explain the startling difference between the god in the old testament and the god in the new testament. He also attempted to create his own bibliography of the various religious books floating around in his era. Thus he was one of the first theologians to attempt to make sense out of the numerous religious books. In fact he created a bible before the bible existed. Unfortunately the religious leaders of the day regarded his views as heretical and his book ended up being destroyed.

Marcion in order to explain the contradictions in the nature of the god of the old and new testaments of the Bible came to a conclusion that there are two(dual) gods in the Bible.
According to him Yahweh the angry,creator god of the old testament was a lower god called the Demiurge.
The god of the new testament,was a superior god to Yahweh and was a universal god of compassion and love and Jesus Christ was his son.
Marcion believed Paul was the true Apostle of christ,and the correct interpreter of the teachings of christ in comparison to the twelve disciples.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/marcionism&ved=2ahUKEwjv-du1rM3_AhWDolwKHdVAAZoQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2USLQSaMyYzhEeEVP2STjx
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 1:40pm On Jun 18, 2023
MaxIntheHouse2:
Your former religion made you think this way but try to calm down and reason with what others have to say about the story.

The tree is figurative not literal so find out what the tree means first then you can get the sense of what the Bible really teach! smiley


You're really funny walahi talahi!
So is that how you jump from one case to another so as to unravel what is hidden? smiley

Satan is the person having a case to settle with God while Job and whatever he has are just like exhibit that can either be destroyed or kept for future purpose. So Job and his family with whatever he has are immaterial since they will all die due to sin inherited but Satan must see for himself that what he claimed in the beginning that no man can keep integrity under severe trial is false.
This case really pained Satan because Job proved him a liar with all his effort, today both Job and everything he had are gone but the faithful man knows that by the time Satan is nailed himself and all his family will enjoy a wonderful reunion in Paradise on this same planet! Job 14:13-15


Is this what your religion taught you?
Ọmọ they got it all wrong! smiley
You have successfully dribbled yourself and scored an own goal. You have failed to answer any of the questions in a satisfactory way,rather You have chosen to keep going round in circles proving the absurdity of all organised religions.
This is the main reason I try to avoid having discussions with people in religion on this forum. You just end up banging your head on a concrete wall and going round in circles.
Enjoy your religion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 12:42pm On Jun 18, 2023
MaxIntheHouse2:
You accused someone of not reading with view to comprehend, i know you really want to prove that the whole thing makes no sense to you so calm down, read and try to reason with what others think about the Bible!

Below is the answer to your question! smiley
You are deliberately going on a long convoluted and winding answer to a very simple question of why God chose to destroy humanity but left Satan alone to continue to lead humanity into sin.
This is one of the absurdities of organised religion.
So God planted a tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden and placed an innocent man and woman in the same garden to confront a wily satan/snake?
When Adam and Eve fell to Satan disguised as snake,God decided to curse Adam and Eve and their descendants and also cursed the snake and its descendants and left Satan alone without any curse.
Can you see the absurdity?

We now proceed to Noahs time when sins of mankind became too gross and again God wiped out mankind with flood waters and left the cause of sin which is Satan to continue enjoying.

We can now proceed to Jobs time,when God and his friend Satan now decide to play a bet with themselves on gods servant Job to see if he will curse God if his family and property is wiped out and he is afflicted with sickness.
Can you see the absurdity in this story?
Why not destroy Satan? Why destroy Jobs family and property?


Then we proceed to another absurdity. The new testament. God decides to save mankind by becoming a man. First of all he/holyspirit have intercouse with a virgin,who gives birth to God's son Jesus who is nailed to a cross in order to die as a sacrifice and intercessor for the sins of mankind .

Absurdity upon absurdity.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 10:19am On Jun 18, 2023
MaxIntheHouse2:
@ Dantedasz
When you read a book please try to ask many people about how the information should be applied.
It's presumptuous religionists that concluded God is OMNIPOTENT God never said that in His book.
For instance imagine a band of robbers going to rob a house so they began praying for a successful operation.


Can God approve what they're planning?

Well in His word it is written:

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask according to his will, he hears us." 1John 5:14

Please what if someone asked God to do what is not according to His will?

Can God do it?

Definitely the answer is NO!

That's why Jesus prayed not according to his own will but according to God's will:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Why didn't Jesus just ask anything?

Well he knew that his father can't do certain things! smiley
The book of Job greets you.
By the way you have not attempted to answer the OP,on why God destroyed humanity with floods,yet left Satan to continue to roam around and even show his face at a meeting with God.(Job chapter 2;1-6.)
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Satan When GOD Firstly Destroy This Planet Earth? by Dantedasz(m): 10:16am On Jun 18, 2023
MaxIntheHouse2:
This doesn't mean OMNIPOTENCE rather the Author is talking about His ability to fulfill His promises, omnipotent means someone who can do everything whether it's reasonable, beneficial or not.
The God of the Bible can't do certain things for instance He cannot lie, He can't pervert justice all these an omnipresent can do without remorse. smiley
You said your god can not do injustice but there are uncountable incidents in the Bible of his injustice and favouring one party over another.
Here is a clear injustice of your god. In fact this passage in the Bible shows god and Satan are infact friends and they can stake kalo kalo/gambling/bet naija bets on human life.

Job chapter 2;1-6.



2 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the Lord, Satan the Accuser came along with them.

2 The Lord asked Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From wandering all over the earth.”

3 The Lord asked Satan, “Have you thought about my servant Job? No one in the world is like him! He is a man of integrity: He is decent, he fears God, and he stays away from evil. And he still holds on to his principles. You’re trying to provoke me into ruining him for no reason.”

4 Satan answered the Lord, “Skin for skin! Certainly, a man will give everything he has for his life. 5 But stretch out your hand, and strike his flesh and bones. I bet he’ll curse you to your face.”

6 The Lord told Satan, “He is in your power, but you must spare his life!”

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