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MaxIntheHouse2,

My point of quoting all these verses from your religious book is to point out the absurdity of Christianity. If God is omnipotent and can do all things why go on a destruction of humanity(sinners) and fail to destroy the source of sin(satan)?

Mathew chapter 19;26



26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible

Jeremiah chapter 32;17


17 “Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.




MaxIntheHouse2 come and see omnipotence.

MaxIntheHouse2:
Where did you see the word (OMNIPOTENT) in the Bible?
Well for your information it's presumption that led many to conclude that God is omnipotent He never claimed to be so. Of course He must do things that His servants should be able to explain later if atheists like you ask us {Genesis 18:23, 25} that's why He can't do anything disastrous that we won't be able to explain (defend) later.

You should have allowed the OP to rephrase his question so i can be sure that this is what he actually had in mind but that's OK if this is your own personal question i will answer you!

God didn't destroy humanity for their sin there otherwise all humans including Noah supposed to be wiped out because according to God all have sinned {Romans 3:23} so none is doing good from God's standpoint! Romans 3:10-12

So why not destroy Satan along with those making God's heart sad? Genesis 6:6

There is a case to be resolved, Satan asserted that God supposed to allow humans rule over themselves independently if He (God) is sure that they're perfectly made in His image {Genesis 1:26} God made it clear that each human could determine what is best for himself or herself when talking about care after all each of them want to continue living but it's not within their capability to set standards that can lead to peace among themselves so a SUPREME BEING (GOD) is the only one who can do that.
However the first human couple sided with Satan so time is needed to settle this case:

God must allow mankind to try all types of human rule (system of government) perhaps they can find any that will help humans to cohabit peacefully without God's guidance.

That's why God didn't destroy Satan but kept him alive till today.

Humans have tried so many system of government and none has worked out peaceful coexistence rather people have continued to spend billions upon billions of dollars to amass destructive devices that can wipe away their fellow man while many are within the same society dying of hunger and malnutrition.

Please if you have further questions i'm still very much with you Sir!

From your religious book, I quote this little passage of gods omnipotence. There are many others where the entity boasts of its omnipotence.

Isiah 40:21-31.





New International Version

21 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded?
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
23 He brings princes to naught
and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.
24 No sooner are they planted,
no sooner are they sown,
no sooner do they take root in the ground,
than he blows on them and they wither,
and a whirlwind sweeps them away like chaff.

25 “To whom will you compare me?
Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one
and calls forth each of them by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.

27 Why do you complain, Jacob?
Why do you say, Israel,
“My way is hidden from the Lord;
my cause is disregarded by my God”?
28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.
29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.
30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;
31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

Veecruz:
That is not what the op asked o. See how you changed the question.

Okay, what did the OP ask?
Borlarge please come and ask your question again for those lacking comprehension!

Try reading the quoran/Koran. It is the most convoluting,confusing, chaotic and disjointed book ever written. It lacks chronology, yet many Muslims swear by it because most of them have never read it except snippets from their leaders.
I sincerely advise everyone to look for a translation of the quoran/Koran and read it. It comes across like a blind man trying to paint a picture.

MaxIntheHouse2:
Water, fire, and others only affect physical things but Satan and demons are spirit creatures so water can't affect them!

So God is no longer omnipotent? He can't destroy Satan but chose to destroy humanity?

The simple question the OP,is asking is; Why destroy humanity for their sins when you can simply destroy the source of the sin(satan)?

Zupay:
The educated and enlightened indigenes of Igbesa land did not make noise and drag Gbenga Daniel's government to court when he wanted to sign off their ancestral land to the Chinese company?

Part of the agreement is technology transfer. The Chinese will employ the unskilled indigenes in the various factories in the free trade zone and train them in the technology of how to produce detergents, bag and box making,shoes production,iron smeltering,and various other items.
That concessions gives the Chinese all the land where they are presently based down to the Igbesa River. The concessions also allows them to construct a mini port for exportation of products to the Lagos end.
It is a terrible agreement.
The company will continue to expand untill the take over half of Igbesa land.

Half of Igbesa land was conceeded to the Chinese Guandong free trade zone by Gbenga Daniel administration . The indigenous people are not aware of this. The indigenes can not win this case because Gbenga Daniel signed off the land for 100 years. I have personally seen the survey plan of that company and I really pity the indigenes because they are not aware of this. As the Ogun Guandong free trade zone develops they will encroach on more villages. That is just the honest truth.

Christians claim that the Bible was written by men ,through the inspiration of God.
This excuse always amuses me because of the uncountable number of contradictions in the Bible. Would an omniscient God inspire one scribe to write "one" and the inspire another scribe to write "three",of the same event?

Christians attempt to explain all these inconsistencies as being due to translations dilemma.
The fact remains that Christians run themselves into a cul-de-sac,when they claim their deity to be omnipotent and omniscient and yet he cannot inspire the writers of a Bible to at least be consistent and shun contradictions.
It is either the Bible is men's writing of their impressions of what they think God is like, OR God is not constant,consistent, omniscient and omnipotent.

My personal opinion is that these books in the Bible were written by men trying to impose their own impressions of what they feel god is like. They created what they feel are the attributes and themes of god. These books were written at different points in history so they will be affected by the culture and knowledge of that epoch.
This is why the god of the old testament evolves into the god of the new testament as the writers evolved and as the culture and knowledge of mankind changed.

Reconciliation of the varied image of god in the old and new testaments of the Bible.

Anyone who is not a dullard will immediately notice the contrast in the personality,character and image of the god of the Bible in the old and new testaments.

Christians always claim that god is constant. They claim the deity is omnipotent and omniscient. They claim their deity is constant because he knows the future and what it holds. So why does the personality of this god evolve from a violent,war mongering,land grabbing and blood thirsty genocidal being into the loving,peaceful and benevolent god in the new testament.
Any logical christian person who has read the bible has to admit to have silently raised these questions, even if they are scared to voice them out because of indoctrination and the fear of eternal punishment in the ever burning lake of fire.

The god of the new testament in the Bible comes across as a totally different deity from Yahweh of the old testament.
This god is presented as a loving, caring, benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity. This god is a complete difference to the violent storm and war god of the old testament.
Examples of the characteristics of this new testament god are rampant throughout the new testament.
This entity is said to so love the world that he gave the world his only begotten son as a sacrifice. (John chapter 3 verse 16).
This entity is presented as faithful to his children/followers; Ask and you shall receive. Knock and the door will be opened. (Mathew chapter 7. Verses 7-8.)
The followers of this entity should not be worried but place their requirements before the entity with faith. (Philippians chapter4 verse 6.)


There are various other chapters that show this god as a kind,loving and benevolent god apparently opposed to war and violence.

A Complete metamorphosis from the god of the old testament, which has led scholars to opine that the Bible is presenting a picture of two different gods,or a progression/evolution of a god as the minds of the writers evolved.

Dantedasz:
Origins of gods.
1. YAHWEH
How Yahweh,Asherah ,Baal,El and other valley gods of Caanan became one single god of war and storms. (The metamorphosis of Yahweh).

So in the old testament of the Christian Bible, the god Yahweh (an amalgamation of various gods into one single god) becomes the god of the nation of Israel and Judah. This god is a god of storms and conquest,who leads the nation of Israel into their battles of conquest into the lands of the inhabitants of Caanan.
There are various chapters in the old testament of the Bible where the violent characteristics of this god are extolled. Sodom and Gomorrah(Genesis,chapter 19),Lot's wife( Genesis, chapter 19.26),conquests of the canaanite lands(Joshua,chapter 7:1-26),the human sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter(Judges chapter 11:30-40),Noahs flood(Genesis, chapter 6)and so many more atrocities are the calling card of this god through out the old testament of the Bible.

The strange point is that this god undergoes another transformation in the Christian new testament of the Bible and becomes a totally different entity;THE GOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Hmm.

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Origins of gods.
1. YAHWEH
How Yahweh,Asherah ,Baal,El and other valley gods of Caanan became one single god of war and storms. (The metamorphosis of Yahweh).

The myth, that in the evening, the sun sets into a muddy pond.

Christian cults.

I find Christian cults amusing. It is evidence that the indoctrination and delusion is very deep. I have said it severally, Christians don't read their religious book. They rely on their pastors who set out to interpret the book according to their selfish agenda. Attached is the story of a Kenyan pastor and his cult of death.
Happy reading.







Kenya Doomsday Death Toll Hits 200, With More Than 600 Reported Missing
The victims were allegedly told to starve themselves to meet Jesus. Their bodies are being exhumed from mass graves in the coastal county of Kilifi.
EVELYNE MUSAMBI

May 14, 2023.





NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — The death toll linked to a doomsday cult in Kenya hit 201 Saturday after police exhumed 22 more bodies, most of them bearing signs of starvation, according to the coast regional commissioner.

The bodies are believed to be those of followers of a pastor based in coastal Kenya, Paul Mackenzie. He’s alleged to have ordered congregants to starve to death in order to meet Jesus.
More than 600 people are still missing.

Mackenzie, who was arrested last month, remains in custody. Police plan to charge him with terrorism-related offenses.
Hundreds of bodies have been dug up from dozens of mass graves spread across his 800-acre property, located in the coastal county of Kilifli

Mackenzie insists that he closed his church in 2019 and moved to his property in a forested area to farm.

Autopsies conducted on more than 100 bodies last week showed the victims died of starvation, strangulation, suffocation and injuries sustained from blunt objects.

Local media outlets have been reporting cases of missing internal body organs, quoting investigators in the case.
Mackenzie, his wife and 16 other suspects will appear in court at the end of the month.

Coast regional commissioner Rhoda Onyancha on Saturday said the total number of those arrested stood at 26, with 610 people reported as missing by their families.

It is unclear how many survivors have been rescued so far from the search and rescue operations on Mackenzie’s vast property. Some of them were too weak to walk when they were found.

Cults are common in Kenya, which has a religious society.


Self-proclaimed pastor Paul Nthenge Mackenzie who set up the Good News International Church in 2003 and is accused of inciting cult followers to starve to death "to meet Jesus", appeared at the Shanzu law courts in Mombasa on May 5.

Police across the country have been questioning other religious leaders whose teachings are believed to be misleading and contrary to basic human rights.

President William Ruto last week formed a commission of inquiry to investigate how hundreds of people were lured to their deaths at the coast and recommend action on institutions that failed to act.

Mackenzie had in the past been charged with the deaths of children in his church in a case that is ongoing in court.


Part of HuffPost World News. ©2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved.
The Huffington Post

LordReed:
What is the point of these line of questions?

More. Rise of the mobs and complicity of the Nigeria authorities.

Blasphemy: One year after, Nigerians demand whereabouts of Deborah Samuel’s killers
Published on May 12, 2023 By Ochogwu Sunday

Exactly one year ago, on May 12, 2022, Deborah Emmanuel, a female student of the Shehu Shagari College of Education, Sokoto State was killed by Islamic extremists over blasphemy allegations against Prophet Mohammed.

The 200-level student was set ablaze after she reportedly advised her classmates against posting religious contents on their WhatsApp group which was created for academic purposes.

A motion picture of the student being stoned and beaten with sticks by her Muslim school-mates before setting her ablaze, was shared widely on all social media platforms.

A few days after the unfortunate incident that relatively set the country on fire, the Sokoto State Police Command announced the arrest of two suspects in connection to Deborah’s murder.
The suspected murderers, Bilyaminu Aliyu and Aminu Hukunci were on May 16 docked at a Sokoto Chief Magistrate’s Court for their alleged participation in the crime.

A total number of thirty-four lawyers led by Professor Mansur Ibrahim, allegedly sponsored by some public figures, stormed the court to defend the suspected killers.

DAILY POST recalls that the Police Public Relations Officer, DSP Sanusi Abubakar, in a statement on August 28, revealed that those arrested were not the prime suspects, saying that they were only among those who organised the riot.

He then vowed that the command would unearth all the suspected killers upon completion of investigation.

However, one year after the incident, the prime suspect who was boasting in the video of how he led the mob to lynch the innocent girl, is still at large.

A Catholic Priest, Fr Kelvin Ugwu in a post on his official Facebook page on Thursday, asked the state governor, Aminu Waziri Tambuwal, President Muhammadu Buhari and the Nigeria Police Force to tell Nigerians what happened to the suspects.

He wrote, “I am asking the Governor of Sokoto, Hon Aminu Waziri Tambuwal, please sir, where are the killers of Deborah? Have you found them? Where did you keep them? What did you do to them?

“I am asking President Muhammadu Buhari, where are the killers? Are they invisible? Have they been arrested?

“And to the Nigeria Police Force, what has happened to the swiftness you normally employ in arresting people who make posts on social media you consider inciting and divisive? What did you do to the killers of Ms Deborah? Where are the killers?”

This is coming amid allegations that even the two suspects who were in May 2022, remanded in the Sokoto Correctional Centre may have been freed.

An On Air Personality, Mr Joseph Adejor also told our correspondent yesterday that “there may be something fishy about how the case died silently.”

“The question is, have they been able to arrest the prime suspect? After the incident, there were reports that the murderer fled to Niger Republic, have they traced him to that country?

“Like my friend always says, Nigeria is just a joke. A human being was burnt to death and nothing happened to the suspects. You remember how a popular politician condemned the incident and later deleted the post. I doubt if those two suspects that they managed to arrest were not freed later”, he lamented.

However, the Spokesperson of the Sokoto Police Command, DSP Sanusi Abubakar told DAILY POST on Thursday that the command had played its part by charging the suspects to court.

He said, “The police as an institution, when we charge a case to the court, it is left for the judge to determine whether the suspect is found guilty or not.

“Our duty as police agency is to conduct investigation, and charge the suspect to court. It is now in the hands of the court to determine the end.

“We as a police, we have played our part. It is now left for the judiciary to do the necessary”.

Asked to clarify the allegations that some of the suspects were freed, the PPRO said,
“If there is any allegation that the suspects have been freed, I think only the judiciary is in the position to answer that”.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://dailypost.ng/2022/05/14/deborah-samuel-riots-in-sokoto-as-muslims-reportedly-destroy-catholic-ecwa-churches/%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjgh_PiiPD-AhUyhP0HHQiXANE4ChAWegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw261pdgJFzndRxYqdWLLryi

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Caveatemptor:
@the bolded,
Majority of the members of the mob are certainly not literate. However the leaders of the mob are literate. These are the scholars who understand what they regard as blasphemy and quickly pass the message to the mob during Friday prayers. The mindless illiterate mob does the rest.

Would you say students of a college of education are illiterate?
Please read below from Sahara reporters.

The above tweets were posted by Amnesty International as a reminder to the Nigeria government on the rise of religious mobs ,running around killing and burning people on behalf of their omnipotent and omniscient God.
Many religious people are literate and can read,but can they THINK?
It is just an absurdity that so called creations of an omnipotent being have to fight, kill and burn other creations to protect the name/image of this omnipotent being.
Think about it!

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