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Goshen360: ^^^

Okay bro danwo,

Let us be open minded here and I know you are as much as I am. One of the problem you are having is from translation of KJV which puts "heaven" of 1:1 in singular and I can understand it will mean "heaven 1.0" as you referred, for comprehension purpose.

Now, let us "assume" 1:1 actually refers to heaven 1.0, which it does NOT, and I will tell you why it does not later, here in this post. If you take it that 1:1 refers to heaven 1.0 and it is where God resides, it will mean that this creation account does NOT talk or given details of how that "heaven 1.0" was created. The point am trying to get across to you is that, you need to understand the "creative language" being used in Genesis creation account. How do I mean? Take for instance, v 6 is sequence to v 7 and v.6 is NOT to be taken that God already made firmament.

So, if we take 1:1 "heaven" as the abode place of God and 1:2 start to talk about the "earth", it therefore means we do not have the account of the creation of "heaven 1.0", abode of God in this creation account so the heaven that 1:1 is talking about is our own heaven (called the firmament and where the light bearers were fixed) which man can explore which is called so in v.8 and in v. 15, 17, this is what makes the heavenS, with -s the correct since this accounts talks about our own heaven and earth and NOT the abode place of God. In addition, we can as well say earth was created already in v.1 since you said heaven 1.0 was created in 1:1 BUT you will later read (in context) that the dry land was later called "earth". However, When you take 1:1 as an opening or introductory text in which its purpose is to mean that God is the creator of heaven[b]S[/b] (which we see physically see and man can explore, not the abode place of God) and earth, you will understand there is NO gap between v1 and v2.

If you take the heaven in 1:1 as singular and meant to be the abode place of God, then it will bring you out of context since the creation account doesn't talk about that heaven 1.0 in this creation account. I have had many years of same confusion with the KJV with the "heaven" in 1:1 without -s. When the opening phrase says, "In the beginning" (Heb, bereshith), it is the beginning of history of our material and physical world (our own heavens - in v 8, 14-17 and earth) BUT NOT beginning of God's activity (cf. Matt. 25:34; John 17:5,25; Eph. 1:4; Titus 1:2; II Tim. 1:9; I Pet. 1:19-20; Rev. 13:8 ). So, the error is when you take "heaven" as singular as in KJV while in NKJV is translated WITH -s. And even when it is taken without -s, and it means the heaven, abode place of God, it still doesn't PROVE the GAP theory of the earth in 1:1 and the description of the earth in 1:2 because God himself said He created the earth that with darkness in Job 38:9. You will notice the light wasn't created in 1:3 but the darkness was created. So if darkness was created, it cannot refer to judgment from Lucifer sin. Also, II Peter 3:5 doesn't say it is Lucifer's that flooded (watered) the earth but that the earth was formed out of water.

I have learnt that exercising apologetics is not to force one's interpretation unto others but to present the evidence beyond all contradictions. Let me stop here for now until you respond and we look at it again. In the end, I will share how the Gap theory distorts the Gospel God intended in the creation account for the NEW CREATION. You can also read and study 1:1-2 from many translation and commentary. I don't mind referring you a translation that explains verse by verse of the whole Bible from the Hebrew, Septuagint and the Greek into English.

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My brother. Why? Why?

Why are you mistaking a factual statement for an account or narration. Erh?

Genesis 1:1 was stating a fact that in the beginning Go creating heaven & earth.

It has nothing on the heavens & earth you are referring to.

It is a FYI. It is a starting point before giving account of the world about to be created for Adam; Man

The world is both material, seen & unseen things

Goshen360: What I meant was, you made reference to "Heaven 1.0".

I "assume" you are referring to the heaven where God resides, unless you say otherwise.

Now my question is, "some" translations have the "heaven" in Genesis 1:1 in singular (without -s),

if that is taken; then it will mean it refers to the heaven where God resides

BUT with the translations that puts in plural (HeavenS), it will refer to our own heavens

- where man can explore: our immediate sky called heaven and outer space, also called heaven.

So from the word of God, we understand there are three kinds of heavens.

Now the question is,

if this Genesis 1 account of creation ONLY gives account of our own heavenS/earth (our world or universe)

and does NOT give account of the heaven where God resides

(which I believe you refer to as heaven 1.0, except I wrongly misunderstood you or jump to conclusion)

..... FROM WHERE OUR OWN HEAVENS AND EARTH WAS CREATED FROM,

how then did you come to conclusion that the heaven in Genesis 1:1 is referring without -s

danwo: "HEAVEN" in Genesis 1:1 is kosher (i.e. OK as it is with no -s)

and please dont muddle it up with the heavens in Genesis 2:4

Here is one of the trade secrets for reading the bible,

Recognise the law of order, for example "the heaven and the earth" has a different message to "the earth and the heaven"

Genesis 1:1 is stating that heaven was made first, followed by making earth.

@Goshen360

Merci mon frère.

Sorry for the late responses - Time has not being an ally when it comes to posting here

Remember my earlier posting? Reproduced above, up there?

Well, in it, I was intentionally warning that Genesis 1:1 should not be muddled with Genesis 2:4

because I sensed if or when lumped together, their difference(s) and distinction(s) would not be made clear

I tried to BOLD only the highlights in your post

but managed to virtually bold the entire post because ALL were relevant to the matter at hand.

Let's make this known and stick to it. Let's set down the goal post

All MY references are based on KJV, unless where otherwise stated

OK, that being said, here are my responses to your recent post

Goshen360: What I meant was, you made reference to "Heaven 1.0".

I "assume" you are referring to the heaven where God resides, unless you say otherwise.

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Yes sir, you "assumed" 100% spot on.

Heaven 1.0 is the first version of heaven created or developed and where God resides.

Heaven 1.0 is still there as we speak

Goshen360: Now my question is, "some" translations have the "heaven" in Genesis 1:1 in singular (without -s),

if that is taken; then it will mean it refers to the heaven where God resides

BUT with the translations that puts in plural HeavenS, it will refer to our own heavens

- where man can explore: our immediate sky called heaven and outer space, also called heaven.

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Well those translations are miles wide of the mark.

The more the reason I earlier gave warning about Gen 1:1 & Gen 2:4 to not risk muddling up things with them

Goshen360: ..... FROM WHERE OUR OWN HEAVENS AND EARTH WAS CREATED FROM,

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Remember the law of order or order law. The positioning of words? Especially in scriptures

The positioning of a word(s) in a sentence gives good clues about the importance of that word

Word(s) are positioned in key positions in scripture references to give it precedence or prominence.

The positioning gives them priority in rank over other words in the sentence, as it were.

In Genesis 1:1 the positioning of the words "heaven" & "earth" is obvious and there for all to see:

"heaven and earth" is totally different to "earth and heaven"

So about ". . .FROM WHERE OUR OWN HEAVENS AND EARTH WAS CREATED FROM"

it was created from Genesis 1:3 onwards after Genesis 1:1-2

- "OWN HEAVENS" are a generation of Heaven 1.0

In Genesis 1:1, Heaven was created first before earth

before heavens were created after earth in Genesis 1:3 onwards

Goshen360: how then did you come to conclusion that the heaven in Genesis 1:1 is referring without -s

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Since in Genesis 1:1, KJV states heaven with no "-s" that is what am standing by.

PS: Dake? I am aware of his writings but havent had the privilege yet to look at any of them.

Goshen360: Why do you take the "heaven" of Genesis 1:1 to be singular (without -s)

if this account of creation ONLY give account of our material world (heavenS and earth)?

and it didn't give account of the heaven from where our own "heavens/earth" was created FROM?

Can you PROVE that the "heaven" in 1:1 with NO -s is the right translation?

I hope you haven't been studying from Dakes?

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Before I properly respond to the above posting

please what does the below mean or better still re-phrase it

"and it didn't give account of the heaven from where our own "heavens/earth" was created FROM?"

Goshen360: Oga Debosky....at least, still have like 3 hours to stay online for today.

I will expose the confusion of the gap age teachers.....

like my dearest brother "danwo", the disciple who the LORD Goshen360 loves. .

I have asked him which "heaven(s) is Genesis 1:1 referring to.....

his answer will definitely help this teaching.

Stay tunned!

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I don't know how I managed to miss or not see this posting

JeSoul: Hey fellas, good to see everyone is doing fine.

Awfully sweet of those who asked about moi, was off the cyber grid for a lil bit but ur girl is fine.

Hope ya'll didn't stress MMW too much...

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Welcome back Sis . . . mwah!

Missed you.

Yeah, manmustwac & Goshen360 did their fair bit

Both made sure the religion forum house remained intact for your return

Goshen360: ^^^

lolz......I will answer ALL your questions fully in DUE time. cool down bros,lolz


Thank for the answer.

I have told you MOST arguments and confusion comes from "some" translations,

of which our diligence to study should tell us the right and consistent translative words.

@Goshen360

Hey, that is my line.

Dont poach.

I was the first harping about translation blunders or errors

See the below snip, the most recent one

danwo: @Goshen360

The Gap Theory poses no danger, once you know how far from the edge of the cliff to go

Bottom line once the Greek to English translations, Hebrew to English translations are properly researched

Once the etymology of the certain Hebrew and Greek words used around this subject and related subjects are studied

then it will be relaised that there is no cause for panic

The gap theory complements the six days creation without any detraction

"Bring the whole tithe in to the storehouse . . ."
- Malachi 3:10

from the above verse, what actually was a storehouse was startling or shocking revelation for some die-hard tithe fanatics.

Goshen360: Now, some translates the "HEAVEN" in Genesis 1:1 as PLURAL with -s, while some translates it without -s.

Which do you think it's right?

Two, Which one is Heaven 1.0?

I no understand that kind terminology o abeg. Please be more specific.

Which heaven is Genesis 1:1 referring to? Am good with one "earth" answer.

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"HEAVEN" in Genesis 1:1 is kosher (i.e. OK as it is with no -s)

and please dont muddle it up with the heavens in Genesis 2:4

Here is one of the trade secrets for reading the bible,

Recognise the law of order, for example "the heaven and the earth" has a different message to "the earth and the heaven"

Genesis 1:1 is stating that heaven was made first, followed by making earth.

Heaven 1.0, is exactly what it says it is. The number signifies versioning.

Heaven can have a number assigned to it, usually in increasing order and corresponding to new developments

obadiah777: THE PRICE OF GARRI

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Yikes! The taboo phrase!!

You'll get an automatic no contest ban for typing that!!!

Goshen360: ^^^

Okay my brother,

The first thing first, I know and see where the issue is coming from. We will soon get there......permit me some little more time.

1. What do you understand of the scripture for Genesis 1:1?

2. What "heaven(s)" is Genesis 1:1 referring to?

3. What "earth" is Genesis 1:1 also referring to?

@Goshen360

Dont forget to give answers to all my questions earlier asked too.

Mind you this your practical and intellectual approach arouses a more deserving respect of you from me. I like.

1. What do you understand of the scripture for Genesis 1:1?

>> Exactly what is states that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

2. What "heaven(s)" is Genesis 1:1 referring to?

>> The first generation Heaven; Heaven 1.0

3. What "earth" is Genesis 1:1 also referring to?

>> There is only one earth and the earth referred to in Genesis 1.1, is the same earth in Genesis 1:3 onwards

obadiah777: I OFTEN SEE THESE PHRASES IN THE BIBLE. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE MEANING OF THEM

1-FIRST DEATH
2-SECOND DEATH
3-FIRST RESSURECTION

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How will this affect . . . .

Goshen360: @ danwo and other gap/pre-adamic teachers,

First @ danwo, I will come back to address your question because I am beginning to see we are dragging this topic "out of context"

Second, @ danwo and other gap/pre-adamic teachers,

On what basis of scripture is the Gap/pre-adamic world taught?

If it is on the basis of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 (which I believe it is),

then let us stay within the context AND other bible verse being used to support Genesis 1:1-2.

This will help us clearer on this subject rather than going in circle.....

let's have bible-to-bible proving of what we are teaching.

I have seen the where the confusion lies and God is not the author of confusion.
If we can focus on the text that generates the confusion and arguments,

then we can solve the problem of weather is gap/pre-adamic world or not, as we can prove all things.

The problem is, some of the controversy concerning the subject of Creation centers on the translation and grammatical import of Genesis 1:1.

Scholars argue, “Is Genesis 1:1 in the absolute state (i.e., an independent clause) or in the construct state (i.e., a dependent clause)?”

Even Hebrew scholars are unable to agree BUT we can prove this truth, using scriptures to explain scripture.

@Goshen360

When the difference between earth and world is recognised

the coffee would have been smelt

Think outside the box, man!

God created an Adam world; a world for human beings on Earth.

My mouth laughs when anti-Gap theorists claim that God created things that are seen and physical only

God in that six days of creation created both seen and unseen things, both physical and unphysical things

This is where the world comes in. God created an Adam world with no sin

The earth is just a formal name of the world which we live on

That world is everything on earth, seen and unseen and created by God.

"Welcome to my world" - that is a familiar phrase isnt it?

With a helping hand from the serpent, Man has since perverted that world

The earth is the Lord's and its fullnes thereof though the devil currently is the prince of this world

The world is now plagued with a degrading way of life, abuse of money, power show, unethical human beings etc

"Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world,
but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."
- Romans 12:2 NLT

The Gap Theory poses no danger, once you know how far from the edge of the cliff to go

It does not threaten or question the six days of creation narrated from Genesis 1:3 onwards

The gap theory is not only on the basis of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 alone.

There are other scriptures hinting the Gap theory

The player saves the trump card until end, saves the best, for last.

Bottom line once the Greek to English translations, Hebrew to English translations are properly researched

Once the etymology of the certain Hebrew and Greek words used around this subject and related subjects are studied

then it will be relaised that there is no cause for panic

The gap theory complements the six days creation without any detraction

"Bring the whole tithe in to the storehouse . . ."
- Malachi 3:10

from the above verse, what actually was a storehouse was startling or shocking revelation for some die-hard tithe fanatics.

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The detection of caution is overpowering

I like the "give it a wide berth" or carefully "walk on eggshells" approach

Dont rock the boat opinion(s)

a reminiscence of tithe or don't tithe or the like

@truthislight

Scriptures will be thrown in, when the time is right.

obadiah777: so whats your point

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No point,

just backing yours with another similar or substitute

Adam died spiritually first, before dying physically 930 years later

aletheia: Satan did not fall before the creation of Adam. This point has been addressed elsewhere in the past.

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. . . There was a time when I believed the gap theory just like you but Exodus 20:11 shattered that illusion . . .

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If you are shown another scripture would the allegiance change, again?

aletheia: Problems with the gap theory:

1. It is inconsistent with God creating everything in six days, as Scripture states.

Exodus 20:11 says, “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy”. Thus, the creation of the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) and the sea and all that is in them (the rest of creation) was completed in six days.

Where is there time for a gap?

2. It puts death, disease, and suffering before the Fall, contrary to Scripture.

From Romans 5:12, “Therefore, even as through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as have sinned,” we understand that there could not have been human sin or death before Adam.

The Bible teaches (1 Corinthians 15) that Adam was the first man,

and as a result of his rebellion (sin), death and corruption (disease, bloodshed, and suffering) entered the universe.

Before Adam sinned there could not have been any animal or human death.

Note also that there could not have been a race of men before Adam that died in “Lucifer's flood”

because 1 Corinthians 15:45 tells us that Adam was the “first” man.

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There are no problems with the gap theory.

The "Gap Theory" poses no threat to the 6 days of creation

The 6 days of creation is the creation of the Adam world ; humankind world

The new physical world was created in 6 days for Man using earth, its surroundings etc.


"Where is there time for a gap?" you asked

The time for the gap is before time started ticking in Genesis 1:3

With all due respects, my dear sire, you err awfully, because before Adam, there was death.

God promised Adam death, God guaranteed Adam death, literally

The bible even says the "wages of sin is death"

The money paid for sin, death, the reward for sin was in the "safe"

kept for a rainy day or a day such as when sin is committed

When that singular command was violated/broken

death which was alive but dormant got activated.

DEATH reared its ugly head and entered the world

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world,
and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,
for that all have sinned:

- Roman 5:12 KJV

So before Adam was, there was death of animals, there was death of some other kind(s)

The diseases etc too that you mentioned though unfortunate & unpleasant

are the consequences or aftereffects of a ground that is cursed
(i.e. the aftermath of a cursed ground)


You are right about "there could not have been a race of men before Adam that died in “Lucifer's flood”

Right in the sense that Adam was the first man or human being and so no human beings died in the “Lucifer's flood”

The fact remains that the earth and world at that time got destroyed when a flood covered the earth

not covering the highest mountains as in Noah's Flood but like in the state captured from Genesis 1:2 onwards

aletheia: We must also understand that if Satan sinned and fell before Adam was created. . .

that would mean that Creation was already marred since sin would then be already present on day six and thus God would not have said this:

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

But since at the end of the sixth day it was very good. . .

then we know that Satan hadn't fallen then and there was no sin any where in all of creation.

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At Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

Before the above there were five " . . . and God saw that it was good" for creation but that qualifier eluded Man

Collectively every thing as a whole was good. Individually, man? Erm?

God must have known something about Man for Him to hold back appending the qualifier after the creation of man as did with other creations

Goshen360: danwo, mon frère,

Weekends are always busy for me. Please permit me. I should answer according on Monday. Thanks.

@Goshen360, Mon cher frère bien-aimé

The "elephant in the room" will still be there, waiting.

Reyginus: Firstly,I hate it when people quote me verses in place of a rational answer.
You can only have a trait of God but never can you be in the same spirituality with Him. And if truly they've got God's spirituality,their will be no propensity of them falling to temptation. You answer is the main reason they shouldnt have fallen. How does having the genotype of my father make our spirit one?

obadiah777: Jesus fell into temptation and he has Gods spirit. now i know you dont know the word

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Jesus Adam & Eve fell into temptation and he has they had God's spirit. now i know you dont know the word

Goshen360: @ danwo, mon cher frère

You are missing the point here my brother. What you and other brothers are doing is that, you are trying to use science or scientific knowledge to interpret or approve the bible BUT what you end up doing is disapprove the bible with scientific knowledge or whatever extra-biblical knowledge you may have which I "might" not. This is contrary to the concept of biblical interpretation, (permit me to say).

Now, here is the point am making!

The confusion in Genesis 1:1-2 is similar to Chapter 1 and 2 where it records two creation account. Some confuse chapter 2 as a different creation account different from that chapter 1. Unknown to them, they can't see that they simply compliments each other.

Now, this is the point am making (without using extra-biblical source or any scientific proof), Genesis 1:1 is NOT in a "definite" state as in, it doesn't mean a finished and done deal creation of heaven and earth but it is an opening statement in which other verses tells how (process) the "heavens and earth" of Genesis 1:1 was accomplished. How did I come to this conclusion?

1. If it was a completed and already created "earth and heavens", God will NOT come back to call the firmament which was created/made from waters, HEAVEN.

2. The same way, God will NOT come back and name the dry land EARTH should it have been already created in Genesis 1:1

3. The Gap theory will NOT end up in anything other than RE-CREATION instead of what we see all over that it wasn't "RE-CREATION but "CREATED, MADE and FORMED"

4. The earth with the Gap theory will also end up saying (by assumption, not scripture interpreting scriptures) that, the earth "BECAME" formless and void BUT God Himself said in Job 38 that He creadted the darkness and the condition of the earth that way.

5. The book of Jeremiah says, it (earth) "WAS" not "BECAME" void/formeless.

6. The Gap theory will also end up saying that Genesis itself did NOT account for the ORIGINAL CRAETION should there be gap and a pre-adamic world before this creation account.

Who then are we supposed to beleive? The word of God or extra-biblical account?

@Goshen360, Mon cher frère bien-aimé

I understand the worryness and skepticism

Please indulge me these questions

#1. What does "first of its kind" mean?
#2. What does "after its kind" mean?
#2b. What is/are difference(s) between #1 and #2?
#3. In your own opionion, are #1 and #2 similar, remotely at all that is?
#4. Do you agree that translators are not infalliable and the translations are not God inspired like all scripture is?
(i.e. translations such as hebrew - english, greek - english, verse numberings, chapter numberings etc)

The translators though with good intentions are not infallible

Make no mistake, Bible translations is not inspired by God like all scripture is.

SMH some of the greek - english, hebrew - english translations are crazy.

Due diligence. Due diligence. Due diligence.

"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,
a worker who has no need to be ashamed,
rightly handling the word of truth"
- 2 Timothy 2:15 ESV

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
- Acts 17:11 KJV

Goshen360: Bonjour mes chers amis,

@ SNCOQ3, Delafruita, Joagbaje and danwo

My other Two questions to the "gap" theory teachers:

1. About the dinosaurs, are you guys insinuating that these dinosaurs were not destroyed during the flood of Noah?

2. If you say "gap" existed between the first two verse of scriptures and there was a pre-adamic world, will you then agree or mean that Genesis itself does not account for the beginning of the creation?

I just woke up and will go through your other comments before these questions of mine. Thank you.

Unlike you knowing all the Goshen360 earthly family secrets

there are some infinite truths you are yet to have the knowledge about

Goshen360: 1.About the dinosaurs, are you guys insinuating that these dinosaurs were not destroyed during the flood of Noah?

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The water during the Noah flood remained above the highest mountains for a year before receding.

Ask yourself this question, is a year enough to set those fossils preserved animals remains we've so far seen?

Dinosaurs? Bitumen? They are partners in crime here.

They go way back. Think about it, think how long it takes petrol to form

Goshen360: 2.If you say "gap" existed between the first two verse of scriptures and there was a pre-adamic world,

will you then agree or mean that Genesis itself does not account for the beginning of the creation?

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¹In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


GAP SCREAMED AND SCREAMING OUT HERE



²And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:1 obscurely hinted the original creation of heaven and earth

then from Genesis 1:2 set off talkng about the creation of a WORLD.

The physical earth was already in existence at that stage, but experiencing episodes or going through phases of different worlds

Another world order is about to start - the world of/for Adam, the time for Adam; Man, has come.

God created that world in literal seven days

So answering your ". . . will you then agree or mean that Genesis itself does not account for the beginning of the creation" question

Genesis 1:1-2 passively accounted that God in the beginning created heaven and earth only

The compensation for the lack of enthusiasm was the uninhibited account of how an ensued world was created from Genesis 1:3 onwards

In short the sweetener narrated and gave details of how Adam's world came about.

Welcome to Adam's world or is it the prince of this world's world.

Oops! keyboard mishap

obadiah777: so this is how the conversation between Mary and the 'Man on a message from God' ( angel ) went.

Man-So Mary you will have a kid who will rule the nations and will break the nations as a potters clay

Mary-Ermmm but i dont even have a man ? how can i have a son ? ( but i am a virgin ?)

Man- Dont worry Mary a righteous man will come to you and be your husband and will know you and you will conceive ( a holy ghost will come upon you )


see how simple and yet coded that was ?

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SMH "'Man on a message from God' ( angel )" Pretentious rubbish

Man - Ermm impotent Abraham and menopaused Sarah, by this time next year you'll have a son

Abraham - Yeah Ismael will be my heir

Sarah - <sniggering>

Man - Abraham, why is your wife laughing now. Don't worry now, the milkman will do the job and the midwife the switch

see how simple and yet coded this was too ?

When there is no appreciation of the miraculous performed on an impotent Abraham and menopaused Sarah,

why should the non-admittance to a truth of the ability of a virgin to birth and produce a desired or intended result be shocking.

danwo: @Goshen360

Answer me these questions please:

#1. What did God first create?

Goshen360: God created water first Genesis 1:2. Some say the first thing created was light, Gen. 1:3 but I believe water came before light because the initial earth was originally created in watery form.

danwo: #2. On which day did He create your answer in #1 above?

Goshen360: It will fall within day one

danwo: #3. Since you like scripture validation, back up your answer in #1 above with scripture.

Goshen360: I have done that in (1) above.

danwo: #4. Do you know all the family secrets?

Goshen360: What family you talking about? My immediate earth family or heavenly or what?

I don't understand the family you talking about. kindly clarify please.

danwo: #4b. Has your earthly daddy confide in you all the Goshen360 family secrets yet?

Goshen360: For my immediate family, I happen to be the first make child of my father so the answer is YES!

@Goshen360

Thank you for being a sport.

Hmm, light was created first, this is by the admission of and gospel according to Goshen360

Your answer to #1, is your response your final answer?

Anything you want to add to your answer to #1?

Please feel free to add more or make a list to your answer in #1 (i.e. you are allowed to. OK?)

#4 was a leading question inanticipation of the next #4b question

When you are ready pull the other leg.

You know all the Goshen360 family secrets.

Yeah right

Goshen360: Egbon, you are missing the point.

The point is Genesis, with Gap theory/pre-adamic age which the scripture itself

and even Jesus never made any reference to in all His reference to Genesis is a distortion to creation account and God's word.

And if the scriptures says God created the heavens - sky/outer space and the earth in 6 days,

why should people say there is gap in between 6 days?

@Goshen360

Goshen! my "bestest" brother!!

You know we are hand and glove, yeah?

Answer me theses questions please:

#1. What did God first create?

#2. On which day did He create your answer in #1 above?

#3. Since you like scripture validation, back up your answer in #1 above with scripture.

#4. Do you know all the family secrets?

#4b. Has your earthly daddy confide in you all the Goshen360 family secrets yet?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]These "price of garri" people una don carry come religion section abi?[/quote]^^^^

My brother! You dey mind them!!

I caved in to the lust of jumping on the "price of garri" bandwagon

You should try sometimes

Its exhilarating ROTFL

Image123: how does a pre-adamic era or gap or gape affect Jesus or anyone?

^^^^

Or affect and bring down the price of garri sef for that matter ROTFL

danwo: @obadiah777

Please. Dont you start, please.

Who named Eve?

What does Eve mean?

Why was she called Eve?

obadiah777: You did not answer my question. sneaky sneaky

danwo: @obadiah777

Ah, you know me. Nothing sneaky or no hanky panky going on

It is called countervailing

Give me those answers and I'll answser your question

obadiah777: I asked first. you asked me questions, I answered them.

Now its your turn to answer mine.

Did cain get married to his mother ? seeing as she was the only female around,

if we go by your doctrine

@obadiah777

You did not give answers to my 3 questions

but hey, since you are playing the "stiff-necked" card with me,

I will answer my questions myself, after that, then yours too

Who named Eve? Adam

What does Eve mean? Chavah or Living (i.e. in english)

Why was she called Eve? Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all living


Your question:
Did cain get married to his mother ? seeing as she was the only female around,

No, Cain did not marry his mother, Eve,

and double No, Eve was not the only female around,

Eve had birthed other females

She was the mother of "all living" other females

Cain chose out of the other females, essentially marrying one of his sisters.

Like you really didn't know. Pfft!

obadiah777: You did not answer my question. sneaky sneaky

@obadiah777

Ah, you know me. Nothing sneaky or no hanky panky going on

It is called countervailing

Give me those answers and I'll answser your question

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@obadiah777, are you by any chance related to buzugee?[/quote]^^^^^


Now who is saying pastor's wife is a "winch"

obadiah777: so where did Cain get his wife from if God made just Adam and Eve ?

cant wait to hear your explanation *anticipation*

@obadiah777

Please. Dont you start, please.

Who named Eve?

What does Eve mean?

Why was she called Eve?

obadiah777: Preciate the gesture my Nubian brother.

On the house.

I withdrew it with a better offer ,

The tea etc along with it, will make it go down nicely

obadiah777: Speaking of biscuits, i am quite partial to Jacobs Cream Crackers. They hella tasty too.

^^^^
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You like? Always willing to be my brother's keeper