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Nice development. I'm glad to see he is ensuring local boys are being employed. Usually the Chinese import a bunch of their own guys to do all the work.

Is furniture really something that needs to be imported, though? Where is it imported from? If somewhere far away like South Africa, then we should be able to compete, despite our lack of electricity (or at least, I hope.) You can remove some of the automation/mechanical work and replace it with manual labor.

The cost of shipping heavy furniture long distances is a lot, and might make locally manufactured furniture competitive, no?

T & A.

Then face.

That is just me tho

Dude, the world does not revolve around you. Human beings are not puppies or kittens that one buys and owns. Hell, even puppies and kittens should not be emotionally neglected by their owners, talk less of children.

Your best bet is to buy a pet turtle, lizard, or perhaps goat. Those animals to my knowledge will not mind being emotionally neglected.

Trying to do the same thing to a human being is ABUSE. Wait until you can devote your full time to a child before having one, otherwise you are violating their rights and abandoning the RESPONSIBILITY that you owe your kid.

I do not know if something is wrong with your head, you need to see a doctor and have your head checked. You shouldn't have to ask on an internet forum why what you are thinking about is wrong. I could excuse this if you were a 6 or 7 year old little kid who didn't know any better, but you are grown-@ss man. WTF is wrong with you? F.cking narcisstic ba.stard.

Most of these things, it would be possible to manufacture them here in nigeria with good power supply 

(you can manufacture a lot of them even w/o power supply by using a generator, but that raises the costs of the product and decreases profitability/viability of your product by a lot)

mens dept:
so whats the latest on ibiam inter?

Being challenged by some affected landowners:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201011180467.html

Guyman02:
There was a plan to build a 2500 MW coal fired power plant in Enugu with a 750KV super transmission grid from Enugu to Markudi and Yola during IBB's regime which my boss was part of the feasibility studies team; unfortunately when they presented the amount it would cost to erect such a huge project that would have benefited the whole country IBB's govt threw it out on sentiments by asking why they should spend such huge amounts on 'Biafran' territory. Today we are still facing epilectic power supply with only 3500MW generation.

This is a pretty great idea. Enugu State should look into getting private funding to set this up.

^--- Really quite impressive.

I found this set of slides made by the Lagos Concession Company:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbcglobal.org%2FCBCG_Library%2FOpuiyo%2520Oforiokuma.pps&ei=LhH0TPnAPIaesQPC2fGmCw&usg=AFQjCNEfxP4o7I11YDUhTUoK8sYuw3aZDA


(One thing that caught my eye was that 70% of Lagos revenue is internally generated. This is amazing, in the context of Nigeria.)

I wonder how useful this public/private partnership model will be in developing other states in Nigeria. . .

asha 80:
apperance is different from reality.

Actions speak louder than words.

Surely you can figure it out without me being more explicit.

Quite interesting.

Mai Suya:
where did you get that figure from? I checked the link but couldn't see anythig like that.

http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/tags/Country

Shows it graphically. You can click and generate the CSV used to generate the plot, which shows that the corresponding # for naija is 4598.

Answer truthfully. How many of you would have returned the bribe?

I'd like to believe I would, but am not 100% sure.

If you cannot accomplish anything in four years, then you probably shouldn't be running for public office, imo.

Doesn't look like any of the Nigeria ones have been released yet. Next, Punch and the rest of the media had better monitor this though and see if anything interesting comes up.

Buhari's comments are spot on, but I really distrust the man.

I'm amazed that the PDP could have so quickly destroyed the economy after OBJ, though. How did the debt increase so much?

ziga:
The only thing i find difficult to understand is how people can say that Lagos is not demographically/Culturally Yoruba.

I think we both know why "people" say this. If I came from such an undesirable land as "people" too, then I would likely hold the same views. I totally sympathize with their position and understand their perspective. And best of luck to them elsewhere. But not in the lands of my people.

excanny:
@DapoBear

I've never said Lagos is a no-man's-land. It belongs largely to the Awori Yorubas the last time i checked.

What i'm saying is that Lagos is not as Yoruba as you would want us to believe. It may be Yoruba territorially, but it isn't demographically.

Another known fact is that non-Yorubas make up the larger percentage of the city.

Sorry to bring up Awo, and using it wrongly. I think i didn't get my point across clearly.

But Lagos still remains unique as one of those city being run by non-indigenes. The only way to make it a Yoruba state culturally is declaring it a non-Nigerian territory and evacuating all non-Yorubas. Without that, i dont see how it can become a Yoruba state, just the same way North America can no longer be said to be indian anymore.

Ah, but you don't need a clear majority to hold a territory. All you really need is a plurality, and to convert enough "undecideds", so to speak.

Suppose the demographics of Lagos State are as follows:
40% Yoruba
20% Igbo
20% other Nigerian
20% other west africa

It is still our territory. First of all, the 20% other West African will by default imbibe Yoruba culture. A good fraction of the 40% other Nigerians will also do the same. And over the course of time, intermarriage, cultural exchange, etc will only strengthen our hold on the land.

You should read a bit about how Argentina was founded. They basically imported a bunch of Italians, Spaniards, French, and other European groups, made them learn to speak Spanish, and then turned them into "Argentinians". One of my buddies from college for example, he is Argentinian, but of Spanish and French descent. Yet he fully identifies as Argentinian.

We will follow the same successful recipes that other peoples have used throughout history to strengthen their lands.

All this gra gra talk is sort of meaningless. If you want to take Lagos for your own ethnic group, what you need to do is to:

a) Create an ethnic enclave for yourself and your own ethnic group there.
b) Drive out the existing inhabitants.
c) Arrest the massive immigration of people from all over West Africa who are moving to Lagos and imbibing the existing primarily Yoruba culture.

If you can manage to take it despite our vigilance, then you've earned it.

But let me guarantee that while our current leadership is in place, this will not occur.

excanny:
Dont get me wrong. I'm not against Yorubas speak their language in Lagos.

If someone comes to my part of the country to tell my people not to speak their indigenous language, i'm be mad at such a person.

Agreed.

What i don't find comfortable is an attempt to make Yoruba an unofficial 'official' language of
such a multi-ethnic state as that.

They made it the second language. So two official languages, English and Yoruba. That is not unreasonable. BTW, it is fine for Lagos to be a multi-ethnic state, so long as we all understand that it is also a Yoruba State. The US, England, Germany, France, etc all have lots of different ethnicities and cultures within them. But each nation is primarily that of the founding ethnic group. Multi-ethnic should not be taken as synonymous for "no man's land."

You asked if the majority likes speaking Yoruba. I dont know, but i've met a good number of people who find it hard to integrate because of that barrier.

Life is never easy. However, by no means is this the most onerous burden. In other countries/regions of the world, the burdens are a lot more onerous.

I know this Awoism philosophy is eating up the whole SW, but the govt in Lagos should remember that Lagos still remains multi-cultural and that fact merits some consideration.

What does Awo have to do with this? Again, what people on the face of the earth enjoy losing territory? Or having their lands turned into "no man's lands?" Even if Awo had never been born, Yoruba people would not all turn into mumus.

EDIT: I did a lot of reading this weekend to understand Nigeria a bit more. There is a sociology book written in 1969 called Custom & politics in urban Africa: a study of Hausa migrants in Yoruba towns that is freely available on Google books. It describes some Hausa in Ibadan involved in the cattle and kola nut market, who built up a monopoly on this business.

We have always been against ethnic enclaves and "no man's lands" in our territory. If you want a "no man's land", use somebody else's land for it.

Nah, his mentality is the one everyone has. Nobody wants to see their territory lost to foreigners who are unwilling to integrate. Name a people on the face of the earth who act differently.

~Bluetooth:
How is lagos different ? The fact that lagos was a british colony or given any status does not change the fact that it's a yoruba state.get that to your head.every other ethnics there are just visitors.

I disagree with this. You can become a citizen of the state, but you must be willing to accept the rules and culture of the people. You can be from Senegal, but so long as you are (A) gainfully employed, (B) follow the laws of the land, (C) are willing to learn the Yoruba language and embrace the culture of our people, you are welcome to become a member.

But they key is that you must be willing to follow all of (A), (B) and (C). Any others, I agree are just visitors.

In other words, let's use the same model America (and other countries and cultures, including the Yoruba and Hausa of past times) used to to strengthen its territory.

excanny:
^^^
Yes, personally i'm off the opinion that they make up the plurality, the only threat to the fact may be the Igbos, but lets ignore the Igbos now. The fact still remains that the larger part of the tax-paying Lagos is non-Yoruba.

So why not do things that is in favour of the majority? Is that not the democracy of a state entails?

This is the same majority group you used in getting yourself into power. Why speak a language they are probably not familiar with when you have got their votes?

Well, wouldn't you first have to demonstrate a majority AGAINST speaking the Yoruba language within the state? If there were, presumably we'd have some sort of evidence for this.

One thing to keep in mind btw is that despite the guy interviewed here not showing much interest in learning Yoruba, many of the foreigners do end up speaking the language. So I'm not sure demography is going to diminish the importance of the language in the state.

^--- 8% population growth, wow!

That is insane. Good, but insane and dangerous if not managed properly.

^--- If they are not the majority, they are certainly a plurality.

And Southern Texas is not culturally pure at all. Lots of white people there too, in addition to hispanics. But all have learned to value the ability to communicate in Spanish, in addition to English.

excanny:
^^^
You are still using the same flawed logic.

If you know the history of some states in the U.S- you'll know that some states were not originally part of the initial 13 states of new england. Most of the remaining were formerly spanish and french colonies, but where later ceded to the british. Louisiana, for example, was originally french.

The long and short of the story is that some of these former non-british still feel spanish like south Texas
due to its proximity to spanish mexico.

Lagos is different, it is inconsiderate for the larger non-Yoruba Lagosians to impose a new official language of government in the state.

Take your reasoning and apply it to Lagos. If the existing underlying substrate beforehand was primarily Yoruba, then why is anyone getting offended?

Anyway, there is no real point debating it one way or another here, the reality on the ground is what will very likely stand.

Thinking over things the past few days, I'm now a supporter of Tinubu, despite his corrupt ways. Nigeria is not a country where an uncorrupted man stands a chance of winning. It is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Whatever corruption Tinubu has done, at least he has not solely stuffed the money into his pockets. He is using the money to kick the PDP out of the Southwest.

Very likely an uncorrupted version of Tinubu would have lost Lagos State to the PDP.

Fight fire with fire.

Damn Nigerian politicians. All crooks and thieves! How can 25% of the gov't revenue be spent on the damn legislature!

So 25% for the legislature, 25% for the executive branch, 25% for the judiciary and then another 25% for the people of Nigeria.

How do these bastards justify wasting so much f.ucking money? They should all be round up and shot.

^-- No. The guys in south Texas are not all immigrants. Some of them have been there since the 1800s or earlier, but still speak Spanish to some extent.

The Chinatown around where I live, they've been there since the early 1900s.

Don't know much about Chicago, but they've been there a while too.

At the end of the day, if I decided to move to Kaduna or Kano, I'd probably also want to learn Hausa. If I want to move to Enugu, I'd better learn from Igbo. If I want to move to Israel, I'd better learn to speak Hebrew. And if I want to move to Yorubaland, then I'd better damn sure learn how to speak Yoruba.

^--- I see. To be quite honest, I've never used a danfo before in my life. Last time I was in Nigeria, I suggested to my dad that I take one to go somewhere (I just wanted to try the experience), he looked at me like I was insane.

But the thing is, as little as we think of them, thousands of people are dependent on them daily for their transport. It is very easy to suggest banning a form of transport you'll never use anyway, but what of the people in Lagos who are dependent on it and might not be able to afford what will probably be an expensive minibus ride?

This is part of what annoyed me about the proposal. Before you phase out danfo, not only do you have to study the impact on the drivers, but also the riders. These buses will probably cost a LOT more than danfos, and might possibly be out of the price range of your typical Lagosian.

Point taken about businessmen possibly not being interested in the business. But one  thing I've observed in life before, in general if a businessman is not interested in a business, there is probably a very good reason for it. Namely, the profitability isn't there. And if the gov't is spending lots of money on a business others have considered and rejected, then it is all the more reason to be very cautious, imo.

We need to be vigilant so this doesn't end up being another useless gov't project.

bigass:
i doubt if govt will own these buses 100% ,it will definitely be a PPP thing just like BRT and besides i think @op meant 10000 not 100000
they cant leave in private hands alone.do you know how huge the investment is?it will be too expensive and motive defeated

If it is 10K rather than 100K, and some sort of 50/50 venture in which the gov't eventually phases out its involvement, I'm less opposed to it. Like I said, they also need to be careful how they deal with danfo drivers less they create unemployment and hurt the economy.