₦airaland Forum

MShittu:
Yeah that was what I meant, kinda. But if the electricity problem is sorted, then factories can be opened and the current illiterate can go to work there, sending their children to school where THEY will become educated, because I think that the generations of almajiris older than about 15 years can only be put to good use through their employment at factories or on modernized farms, because educating like several generations is going to cost too much money and, when you think about it, doesn't have that many long-term benefits. As such, I think that northern children should be educated but the older northern illiterates sent to do some basic work.

Agreed. But you have to realize that even once you have electricity, the abstract concept of "build factories" doesn't make much sense by itself. There has to be demand for you to justify building a factory to supply it.
Also, even if there is demand, you need to be able to do it cheaply, more cheaply than your competitors (e.g., China.)
So it is quite a bit more complicated than it appears on first glance. . . you need to do a  lot of research to make sure you don't end up like Detroit, building lots of factories for something that nobody really wants to buy anymore, or at high prices (cars, in this case). Ah, and getting your goods to market will be ab it of a hassle, since you guys are very far away from the coast.

(As an aside, all of these complications are why I'm sort of very happy to be from a state like Ekiti. We are poor, but not an illiterate sort of poverty. And our state is not populous, so I don't need an enormous amount of businesses to keep everyone happy. Pretty much one or two good ideas will be enough to make that state prosperous.)

I do agree with you that older illiterates shouldn't really be educated, it is a waste of money. Better to spend those resources on the youth, in my opinion.

[sarcasm]
No doubt Chioma is really a Yoruba in disguise.

And the website Biafranigeriaworld.com is really owned by Yoruba.
[/sarcasm]

MShittu:
My two cents:
Build a couple factories up north, and see almajiris magically disappear

A couple factories, producing what? How much will it cost for these factories to produce whatever they produce, since power supply is poor in this country? Running a factory on gasoline is prohibitively expensive.

Also, how will 2 factories be enough?

It isn't nearly as easy as you say. If I were a northern leader, I'd first of all bring about power supply and education. Then start looking for different industries that might be good fits for my region.

Wow. The way you made your post so casual and ordinary like was a bit scary. I really hope that most women are not like this.

I've stated it earlier on this forum, but I don't think corruption will die until this country is partitioned. Pretty much anybody can claim ethnic persecution to cover up their crimes (To be clear, I'm not saying she is guilty or not.) This makes it harder to fight corruption. . .

None of this bashing back and forth online ultimately matters, I don't think. Does garbage here truly make Nigeria worse? If so, I apologize for anything wrong I did. . .

Still though, hopefully most of us recognize this as playful ribbing back and forth (at least, this is the case for me), nothing too serious

Ah, so I didn't get the game. I didn't realize that one could rewrite the oral history of another people. So yes, if you are allowed to rewrite the history from:

1) Oduduwa, son of God sent to create the earth and found the Yoruba and humanity (Jesus-like figure)
to
2) Oduduwa as a refugee, perhaps convict escaping from heaven (Satanic figure)

then yes, things look bad.

But if I'm allowed to rewrite origin stories, I can do this for any ethnic group, including that of the original poster. . .

Certainly we can play that game, if you like. It could be quite amusing.

Akin-Egba:
It is a big minus to be pushed down from all the enjoyment in heaven. The first to be pushed was the devil himself. Thus, others so pushed cant be any different

Err, sure. But that is not how the story goes, it isn't like he was kicked out of heaven. Dude was sent from heaven to create the earth:

The Ife oral traditions, on the other hand, tell that Oduduwa was the son of the supreme God Olodumare or Olorun, and was sent by him from heaven to create the earth. Another version of this myth ascribes these roles to Obatala, thereby casting Oduduwa as an usurper.

This thread amuses me mostly because I think he somehow started it to be offensive to the Yorubaman, but didn't think through the implications.

If it were me, I'd have found something tying the Yorubaman to mud or worms, not the heavens, angels, gods, lol

kettykin:
To be realistic yorubas are the worst cowards on earth.
If there is any thing worst than cowards then it fits their description.
cowardliness and betrayal is in their genetic makeup and DNA.
I wonder if God did it that way or did they acquire it from their fetish nature.


When Abacha imprisoned all the yoruba generals what did yorubas do.
When oordinary henry okah who is a terrorist was imprisoned , the whole nation was held at a ransome for a while.

The ibos however are the most unrealistic fellows , embarking on a war you aren't sure you will win . Investing all your wealth in your enemy's territory despite your losses in the abandoned property scam.

The northeners are the worst imbecilic fellows , the most ignorant of all people on earth.

Despite claiming you won a war , you could leverage on that to make your people literate and make your land develoved.

Lol. Somehow I don't have problems with minority groups who hate Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo equally. If I were from a minority group, I probably wouldn't be fond of those three either.

But I'm not sure what you mean by the fetish nature comment, most of us in Nigeria were pagans before Christianity or Islam came. Pretty much all of us have recent (under 200 years) pagan ancestor.

tredkiller:
Why shouldn't they be happy when they can get their free meat from beached dead whales!  

You say this jokingly, but this is part of why I think it is true. Nigerans somehow revel in any good thing that happens to them and are VERY quick to forget bad things. Bad things they just brush off. You sort of see what I'm saying? Even jobless Nigerians don't quite give up, they have the strong belief that tomorrow will yield a better day.

Contrast this with a country like Japan, where people are EXTREMELY pessimistic about life. They think that their country is worse off than it was before, that their men are weaker and more impotent, that there is no point in doing anything because life won't get better, etc. Suicide rates there are pretty high.

And do I need to bring up Russia, where they have negative population growth, an entire country of alcoholics, massive suicide and depression rates?

Yet how often does suicide happen in a place like Nigeria? Nigerians love life too much to really consider that.

Hell, or even think about the garbage that Nigerians put up with in politics and the economy. Bad roads, no light for what, 40+ years now? Sh!!t like that would make me freak out and go insane. But Nigerians have mostly accepted it, and don't let it destroy their happiness.

Even here in America, I think we find it easier to remember the evil that befalls us rather than the good. But I think in naija the opposite is true.

I don't have any agenda one way or another, Kobojunkie. Please state your point clearly. From what I infer, you disagree with the results of the survey, that Nigerians in 2003 were in fact not the happiest people in the world?

What is your evidence for this? Keep in mind that happiness is relative; even if you do not think Nigerians are/were particularly happy, they only have to be happier than those of other nations.

Do you think their methodology is flawed? Why do you not believe the result of their study?

ocho cinco:
lol . . .You see Environer. You can take a cue from the Yoruba poster above.

You criticise a Yoruba Man, and he doesn't respond with, ''its an Ibo conspiracy, Ibos want to bring a  Yoruba man down''

He didn't go all psychotic.

Is it quite simple. If you defend a fraudster and resort to cries of racism ("Igbo want to bring a Yoruba man down", you weaken yourself and your position. It is very, very, very rarely worth it to tie your fortunes to a criminal. For some reason, people here don't seem to understand this very simple principle.

If even my little brother is caught stealing, is it worth my time to lie on his behalf and pretend it didn't happen, shout that it is the Igbo man trying to bring him down? No, best thing to do is to admit it, return what was stolen, pay fees and move on. Anything else is a waste of time.

Kobojunkie:
Optimism is what you call it? May I suggest you look up the meaning of that word in the dictionary to understand why it is not the case here? Optimistic people usually act according to that belief. Is that the case with your sample you are referring to there?

I'm pretty confused, and do not see your point. Would you still disagree with my statement if I replaced "optimism" with "happiness"?

seanet02:
This enemies of South West, you are all wasting your precious time
Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu remains our LEADER

Don't say that. He is a useful weapon to fight our enemies within the Federal Republic of Nigeria. But you do not confuse your pit bull with your son; one is a weapon, the other is your heir.

So I was wrong, it appears that you are a slowpoke. Carry on with your idiocity.

Mai Suya:
What exactly is he being accused of?

He was some sort of drug lord or cocaine dealer in Chicago or something, supposedly. Probably did 419 stuff there too. Also fake degree issues of some sort.

Look, I don't think any Yoruba people even LIKE Tinubu. But dude was highly, highly effective. There are plenty of people I don't like, but who I must admit were necessary to get the job done at the time.

Who knows, maybe you need a criminal like Tinubu to fight criminals like the PDP? Send a thief to catch a thief, as they say.

Anyway, even though a guy like him is arguably necessary, this doesn't mean he needs to be given any leadership titles.

Very likely if the AC had chosen some weaker individual to contest for governor, they might have let themselves be rigged out of office by the PDP. But a ruthless man like Tinubu? If you try to rig him out of election he will rig you right back.

Err, what? When a term has multiple definitions in the dictionary, some of which are looser than others, one doesn't automatically pick the the most convenient one for your purpose. You pick the one appropriate for this context. Do you really think the original poster is using a definition as loose at #5? From context, is he not using #1 or #2?

Indeed, is this not the definition being used by everyone in this thread aside from you?

There is just something very unique about the Nigerian psyche, I think. Maybe all the religion in the land?

For example, if you made an X-Y plot of GDP per capita versus happiness (as measured by say this survey), I suspect that happiness levels are going to be far higher in Nigeria than in our economic peers.

Anyway, this is not a bad thing; I think optimism is certainly preferable to pessimism in a national psyche.

It is hard for me to figure out if you are a slowpoke, or if instead you come from such a far off perspective and world-view that we cannot discuss relatively simple matters without you reducing things to (what seem to me) trivialities.

In any case, I convinced the original poster and most in this thread well enough; with that I am content. I shall leave you to your own devices.

I still do not know what "tribalist" means. Can someone provide a good definition? In particular, how does tribalist differ from:

a) "person proud of their ethnicity"
b) racist.

I think tribalist is at times used to describe (a), but other times used to describe (b).

Clearly (b) is unacceptable, but I see nothing wrong with (a).

A definition would be appreciated.

He is not a professor by definition #1 or #2, which is implicitly what we are using in this thread. And if you claim otherwise, mention the university at which he is a professor

@Ileke-IdI: Absolutely brilliant!  

Environer:
Sometimes I wonder which is more practical: Igbos (and that is a few of them) claim to be jews (actually jews by behaviour and not by any genetic stretch) and Yoruba claiming to fall from the sky probably with a thud and actually writing that in a history textbook and teaching everyone. Could it be that Oduduwa was the ekwensu/esu that God drove down from heaven and he came here on earth to distabilize the Nigerian space? Could it be why his descendants kill themselves for every flimsy excuse? I need urgent answers for my PhD thesis. Otherwise I will claim the PhD certificate and begin calling myself a doctor, even if you refuse to provide the answer that I require to pass the exam

Which Yoruba truly believe these origin myths? They are ethnic fables. Obviously the river naija is not a woman turned into a river, for example. Do you believe that the Swedes still believe in Thor? Or the Greeks in Zeus?

Igbo claiming to be jews are the same thing some foolish Yoruba do when they claim to be descendants of Arabs; insecurity in their origins as a people and seeking a more "noble" background. Genetic testing is very likely to yield no significant amounts of middle-eastern DNA in either the Yorubaman or the Igbo.

Even in the Hausa man, middle-eastern DNA is not likely to be significant

What is the definition of tribalist? Some of you seem to explicitly be conflating it with racism. But me for example, I simply love my own ethnic group a lot. Does this count as tribalist?

alright, let's agree to disagree

WTF are you babbling about? Read the first page, where I demonstrated how he is not a prof by American standards, or hell, anyone who uses definition #1 or #2s.

Same time, I discussed why Achebe (Professor at Brown University) and Soyinka (Professor at Loyola Marymount in LA, it appears) are different.

I don't know why you don't know how to read man. Read through the first page where these issues have already been resolved.

What on earth are you babbling about. He is professor only if you use a specific definition from the dictionary, which clearly nobody (aside from you) on this thread is even using. Is your head OK?


What does the white man have to do with any of this? Or you have some preconceived notion that all of this is to make whitey happy or something, lol? Please spare me from your agenda.

Fair enough, under your choice of definition #5 of the dictionary, 90%+ of humanity are professors. Under the choice of #1 or #2 from the dictionary, only a tiny fraction of people are professors. I think in common parlance (and certainly in the context of this thread), people are using definition #1 or #2, not #5.

Hopefully this area of confusion for you has now been cleared up.

Wily+Wily:
Have Yorubas denounced this Thief but instead Glorifies him. The Commander in Thief of Yorubas- His Excellency Thief Obafemi Awolowo

Awo hasn't been demonstrated to be fraudulent or have broken any laws. Prove it (in another thread, not this one), and then we can go from there.

Superego:
I am in the US.
Prof Emeagwali is in the US.
Indeed anyone who preaches/professes his sentiments and beliefs to a choir is a Professor.

He is a professor here by US standards. So is this "if we are using dictionary" reason enough to be jealous of him and call him a fraud and taint his well earned reputation?

now you go be something, and as they pointed out, throw some stones too at achebe and soyinka who are not professors by Nigerian standards.

By your definition, any 4 year old with an opinion is also a professor. I should then address my 4 year old nephew as a professor?

Aigbofa:
Listen fool, educated illiterate is an oxymoron! You cannot be educated and illiterate at the same time. My problem with fools like you is that you always try to throw words around for whatever reason.
Is Emeagwali a fraud or not? That is the question here.

You are letting yourself be trolled hardcore by an agent provocateur of sorts, hehe.