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Lol. But on a serious note though Jarus, you guys need to step up to plate and fix Kwara. There is no reason a self-proclaimed Fulani like Saraki should be ruling over Yoruba. It is an embarrassment and a shame that one man should rule an entire state of people who are not even his own.

Great article. Open your eyes well well, Kwara. Do not let yourselves be deceived.

Yoruba Muslims need to step to the plate and cause change.

How does one verify this hypothesis, Beaf?

Beaf:
Seriously, there is no help you can offer to any Delta state ethnicity. I know it sounds like a joke because we are minorities. But weapons? Money? Forget it.
And nobody will wipe out anybody in Warri, we are too intermarried and mixed. In fact, there is no state like ours, long before the novelty of a minority President of the country, we already had a minority governor in the person of an Itsekiri man who is likely to get a second term. Isoko people too are revving up to produce a governor, though I think it will be an Igbo after Uduaghan (Urhobo's and Igbo's dictate the states politics).

Heh, fair enough. Looks like I misunderstood the situation a bit.

EzeUche0:
Well most of the Eastern populations have been present in that region for thousands of years. Eastern Nigeria is the birthplace of the Bantu migration that spread into southern Africa to be exact. I hear the Hausa came the northernmost part of the Sahel region. And we all know the Fulani homeland is in Senegal called Futa Jallo.

I'm sure that all of this land has been inhabited for thousands of years. But who is to say that the people currently in Igboland for example are the ones who were originally there?

As an example, supposedly there was some pre-existing group of people in Yorubaland, who were then conquered by this Oduduwa guy and his homies (at least, this is the legend/story that they say.) If that is the case, do we start the clock when Oduduwa conquered them to form a new people, or start it earlier? This is why I'm saying that things are kind of ambiguous.

And my larger point is that it ultimately doesn't matter. If we've lived in a place for only 50 years, and are numerous enough, nobody is going to kick us out of it. Versus another group who has lived in a land for 1000s of years, but for some reason are dying out. Latter group will very likely lose their land.

Beaf:
Money won't work. Itsekiri land produces the greatest amount of oil per square meter if I'm not mistaking. . . and the boys know what to do in times of "need."
Small as the Itsekiri's are, they too can kick arse in some pretty bad ways. They'll only smile when you offer help, every group in that state can take care of themselves to a large degree.

Whatever it is they lack, we can provide. Point is, we are there to support them. They won't get wiped out of Warri or the Delta under our watch.

Hell, are any of us truly native to Nigeria? How does one define native? It is pretty arbitrary, no?

EzeUche0:
I been in PG County for 4 years. My parents had a house built in this county, and they gave it to my siblings and I since they enjoy living in Port Harcourt more. I like PG County, it is VERY black. A lot of wealthy Black Americans and Nigerians. And yes, there are a lot of Yorubas in PG County. I should of went to school in Houston where there are lot of Igbos. However, I have noticed more Igbos live in the Baltimore area than the DC area.

It wouldn't have been a good idea to go to school in Houston, imo. College Park is quite a bit superior to the public schools in Houston. No point getting a crappier education just because you want to be around your own kind, that would be very shortsighted.
UCLA would be a  good choice though. Better than College Park, tons of Igbo in the city (well, actually they don't really quite live in the city, they live in the suburbs, from what I am told.)

Beaf:
Ol' boy! the last thing any so called giant wants is to involve themseves in Delta state matters; it will end in tears (abi you no hear wetin small Tompolo do JTF?).
There's something about the people that makes them lions among men, when they say, "Warri no de carry last" you bera believe it o!

Well, there are always ways to involve yourself that are not obvious. Money, for one. It isn't as if Yoruba would be dumb enough to send a bunch of us directly to Warri and fight there or something.


EDIT: redundancies removed

EzeUche0:
Lets be honest, the Itsekiri have powerful allies in the Yoruba. Many Yoruba consider these people as the same as them. Likewise, the Anioma Igbo have allies amongst the hinterland Igbo.

Yep. Any attempts to cheat them or oppress them will be vigorously opposed.

PS: How long have you been in PG County? How do you like it there? I'm surprised that you can live in the heart of Yorubaland in America and be so opposed to my people

Hrm, does anyone have approximate demographic figures for Delta State?

Anyway, this isn't the stone age. Even if the Itsekiri are only 10% of the population of the state, nobody is going to allow them to be railroaded. I guess it is helpful for a smaller group like the Itsekiri to have a big brother in the Yoruba. Not to mention that the rest of the world will be watching what occurs.

It shouldn't be hard to resolve the issues. If it turns out that Warri is not a majority Itsekiri city (which is almost certainly the case), then it would be unjust for the Itsekiri to have sole primacy there. However, this doesn't mean they will be enslaved in their own homeland. If necessary, downgrade the Olu of Warri to the Olu of Itsekiri. In exchange, the Ijaw should offer something as well. Give and take from both sides; we should be able to find a compromise that leaves everyone slightly unhappy, but mostly satisfied.

chyz:
Duh,about the people wanting to go where they want. I pointed that out for you long ago.Look drop the Igbo sentiment, you are the only one stuck on the Biafra stuff we are discuss itsekiri and ND Republic. Now show me anywhere where i talked about itsekiri going to Biarfra or people being forced against their will. Point it out so we can get this thing going.

The same applies to issues that occur in forming a hypothetic ND Republic. None of the individual groups can be railroaded, they'll have to come up with an equitable consensus that they all agree on.

chyz:
Delta state does not move when itsekiri moves so the way you put it is incorrect. whatever itsekiri does na their own business. Don't say Delta State, There are igbos from delta state and they will definitely go with their brothers. Also there is Urhobo/Isoko in Delta State and they have a mind of their own. Once again We are talking about ND Republic also so keep that in mind. And Warri is a volital area you cannot call warri by itsekiri. The Olu there is olu of his own people, not "Warri".

There is no way you can force them to declare independence and then join Biafra, lol. When you divide a country, people get to go where they want. If the Itsekiri say no, they have enough people within Warri to block a vote. Remember, usually the United Nations requires something like 75%+ or some other really high number when voting. There is no way you are going to get the required number to cause Warri or Delta to join Biafra if the Itsekiri block it.

It isn't simple majority vote.

If the Itsekiri shall not be in Biafra, then it seems doubtful to me that Warri or Delta state is likely to follow.

Fair enough. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of the people of the SS itself.

Anyway, I have no dog in the fight. So long as the rights of the Itsekiri are protected in whatever state they choose to enter, I'm fine with however things develop.

Probably quite true that the reasons would be unknown to me. But that is why I ask. For what reason would they seek political union with you? You've not really answered the question, simply claimed that I don't know the reason (which I already admitted in my original post.)

redsun:
Nigerians that celebrate traitors are eitheq inherently silly or collaborators.

That is way too simplistic a viewpoint. What if all the possible candidates are all crooks and scoundrels? Do you do nothing? No, you hold your nose and pick the one you dislike the least. Very rarely will you get someone you completely love as a leader. But if he is better than the options available, what else can one ask for?

Maybe take a university class in it? You might also be able to find a copy of the Bible in your language, an audio version if it. Put it on your iPod and then listen to that as you drive to work, work out at the gym, etc. 30 minutes a day of that will probably get you up to speed fast.

firefly999:
Give credit where it is due, imo

Where is the LIKE button on this forum? I want to click for the above comment

Heh, Seun needs to Web 2.0 up this site and interface it with Facebook! That way he can drive up the amount of traffic he gets and increase the value of his product.

I don't see any real incentive for the SS to have a union with the SE. Why share the oil money? If they declare their own republic, they dont have to share the money with the SE. So for what reason would they unite?

Yeah, makes no sense to compare OBJ to Abacha. OBJ left Nigeria better off than he found it (assuming you can temporarily ignore his People's Demoncratic Party rigging elections everywhere.)

I don't like the man at all, but you have to give credit to what he did. GSM, increased international respect, a better economy, resurgent hope in the future of the country. He is/was too much of an autocrat, but he did a fairly effective job.

Also, you have to remember how TERRIBLE the times were in Abacha's era. Comparing Abacha's era to OBJs is like comparing night and day. Only a fool will call OBJ a complete failure, he did a pretty good job, all things considered.

Also, notice how we don't fear the army as much any more these days. Are any of you seriously concerned about coups? If someone else had gained office after Abacha, we might still be concerned about coup.

Give credit where it is due, imo

He is a fraud, yes. So remove him from the stamp and don't use his name in Nigeria. But that is all that needs to be done there. His fraudulent behavior mostly happened outside of Nigeria, so it really shouldn't be the governments concern.

Now, on the other hand if he is making money in Nigeria using his fraudulent claims and lies, then yes he definitely needs to be punished. But somehow I doubt that is the case (aside from the stamp issue.)

chyz:
About the civil war teachings yes i think it should be taught in the schools but that can only happen when equality is reach and the tribalistic and theolistic bias is done away with. However, i dont see this happening anytime in the near future.

You are right, the majority of nigeians don't even know about the slave trade. Instead they teach us history about some white bytch england's queen Elizabeth and the rest of that european nonsense.

"Tribalism" and religionism will never go away. They are fundamental parts of human nature. In every country, there are tribes. In America, it is White man (which is composed of Irish Americans, German Americans, etc), Black man, Hispanic man, Asian man, etc. In Australia, the same.The only countries on the face of the earth that don't have tribalism are the ones where everyone has the same exact religion and ethnicity. So maybe countries like Sweden or Poland, or something.

Of course, tribalism is only a terrible problem in Nigeria due to the very even split among the 3 major groups. At least in nations like America and Australia, there is one dominant ethnic group, the white man. In Nigeria, no group is dominant. This is part of the reason why the country probably needs to be split into 3 or more pieces. . .

To be quite honest, if Yorubaland can ensure good power supply, have large amounts of internally generated revenue in each state and be able to freely elect our governors without PDP rigging and interference, I wouldn't mind staying in Nigeria. If you have those three things, then it wouldn't be that bad (Of course, I'd prefer for us to have our own police force and army too.)

But I'm not completely convinced it is possible to have these things while remaining in Nigeria. We've not had those things in Yorubaland for 30+ years. It is probably best to find a solution outside of this framework called Nigeria.

ode remo:
mr dapo, u r very funny. Swing it round 4 a minute, how many did obj killed tho.not physicallybut thru his 8yrs of missrule and pillage.
You recon if the incident was in a dark alley o.b.j would spare his life?a begi.or u want us to believe he knows not those that killed bola ige.
The man is no sain. In a sane country all fmr. Leaders will be servg. Good time in d penn.

I don't like the man at all. I'm not a fan of him, or his style of leadership. I think it is counterproductive (incidentally, my father is a big fan of him, or at least thinks he is the best of the options available.)

Still, whether you like or hate a man and his policies, you don't beat up a guy who can be your grandfather. I'm a young guy, I won't lay hands on anyone that old (unless of course he attacks me first.)

BTW, it would be entirely different if this guy wanted to assassinate OBJ. If you want to cleanly kill the man and execute him, go ahead and do that (and prepare to lose your life when the security agents kill you.) But beat him up? What is the point of that? It doesn't accomplish anything.

Abu-Maryam:
@poster, you lack credibility by comparing Saudi with Singapore,

Nope, he is completely correct. The lot of your average man or woman in Singapore is far better than that of your average Saudi.

excanny:
True? The SW are a big consumer of your tomatoes. Where are you going to dump your tomatoes if the SW goes?

Trade does not cease, even if political division occurs. Trade benefits both sides; stopping trade for political reasons is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If they stop selling us tomatoes, then we have to source it from somewhere else, likely at higher cost. And at the same time, it is another business and area of potential profit shut out for them.

Not quite sure beating up an old man is the answer. I don't particularly care for OBJ, but that doesn't mean he deserves physical violence. How old is the man, 70+?

Explain to me what Buhari's policies are. Does he seek a truly federal state? To me he seeks the opposite. Correct me if I am wrong, and enlighten me on his policies. What are his attitudes towards Sharia in the North? Education? The status of Nigeria as an OIC state? Women's rights? Healthcare? The rights of the Delta people to have more control over their oil? Property rights? Settler versus Indigene? Jos?