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[quote="Dede1"]If you have different interpretation of a fact or fiction, then it amounts to exercise of imbecility to call a contrarian some choice names.

In fact, tagging me a tribal icon will not change my aggressive challenge to fallacies and unfounded conjectures some trolls wish to spread on this forum. Nigeria is what it is; a cesspit and colonial contraption. And I must add that nothing will make me happier than to see Nigeria disintegrate.[/quote]I'm not calling you a tribalist; I don't even view that term necessarily as offensive. My issue is this. . . you guys don't like Awo, we love him. So best thing for all parties involved is for you not to bring up his name, especially with things like genocide. If you do not do this, then there are no problems. Also, it makes you look bad to accuse him of things which take 5 minutes to debunk online. See my point? I could even understand a thread saying, "Hey, Awolowo wasn't a very nice guy, in our opinions." But to accuse someone of genocide? When the statute against genocide via starvation didn't appear until a decade after the war? Hopefully you see why this pisses me off.

Again, I'm not asking you to like the guy. I wouldn't like him either if I were Igbo. But at the same time, I don't bandy around false accusations.

excoba101:
Security- Health- Education
If any country can succeed in these three key points, it will get a pass mark.
Security- If treated, foreign investors can come in and do business without the fear of getting kidnapped, then pay revenue/taxes to our government. It will also help stop top smuggling,pirating and related crimes.
Health- This will also depend on the help health insurance- Nigeria gotta organize herself. If an average Nigerian can have rest in his/her mind that if they get sick they can be treated without the doctor asking for deposit as we see today, i believe the better for us. Foreigners wont be afraid that if they fall sick our docs would be able to treat em well.
Education- This is a very important factor which must be treated also if we are to compete with the rest of the world.

Electricity before any of those things, imo. Good power supply first, everything else will follow.

I've always thought Beyonce was overrated. To be honest, I found both Kelly and Michelle hotter. But pretty much everyone I've said this too in real life has called me ret@rded  

AlapoMarun:
kobojunkie is stealing the words right out of my mouth.

My biggest concern is that people like Dapo actually believe that there is a difference between tribalism and racism. If they had this easy access to the internet during the Nazi/KKK days, do you really think the comments would be any different from what we are seeing today ? Abeg, do some research on how the Nazi party rose to prominence. The similarities are eerie.

I think a lot of this is semantics. There seem to be two types of tribalism here; people are mixing up the two. One type, everyone on the face of the earth has. The second is essentially racism. But there is a difference.

Dede1:
By the way, one of the sons of the soil in Nigeria had been labeled a tribal bigot yet he remains a hero in the eyes of his followers.  I perceived an act of hypocrisy from certain individuals on this nonsensical exercise.

Look, it is a controversial topic. We had a long discussion on it in the thread started by EzeUche0 accusing him of genocide; I demonstrated how that was impossible since the applicable genocide statutes were not even in place until 1977. So at the very least can you concede that arguments can be made both ways? If you can understand this, then you'll understand how there is not necessarily hypocrisy. You are simply assuming one exact interpretation of what happened. If one has an alternative interpretation, then there is no hypocrisy.

Ola-Ray:
Have you seen Halle Berry at 44 years

I've always been really partial to Garcelle Beauvais, "Fancy" from the Jamie Foxx show. If I can find a version of that around my own age, I'll be set for life.

Kobojunkie:
I wholly disagree with you. I suggest you google kkk links, and compare some of the vitriol spilled on some of those links with those spilled by some of our inhouse tribalists here to get a better idea of how similar many of them are in what they espouse.
Again, I suggest you stay awhile on here before you conclude on who they are or are not. Much of the vitriol has little to do with politics and more to do with pure hate.
Again, I think you are wrong and I attribute this to your not haven spent enough time on here to understand why this post is already on page 7 in less than a 24 hours.

Fair enough, I haven't spent enough time here. Just a week or so.

Regarding KKK, not true at all. KKK talk is more, "send these niggers back to Africa", "shoot a nigger dead", "niggers were better off as slaves." Most of the "tribalists" by and large just want separate countries for their people, economic progress for their people, not to exterminate the other groups in naija.

googles:
These pictures do her no justice. . .shez way prettier dan this

Once you said this, I google imaged her. I apologize to anyone who I rubbished earlier, her older pictures are WAY hotter. I see why you guys were disappointed (this thread is the first time I've seen her.)

But she is still a good look, imo

@KoboJunkie: I think the KKK comparisons or whatever are just out of line. Saying dumb things in an internet forum doesn't make you a racist genocidal maniac. Who knows, maybe some of so-called "tribalists" should indeed be compared to KKK members, but I'd imagine that is a small fraction of them, not a large number.

I think most here realize that this is primarily just political banter. Sometimes harsh and meanspirited, and heavily biased, but clearly just banter. Certainly not something to take into the real world and say, "hey, I hate this Igbo person I just met, because of some interaction I had online, " At least, this is the way I approach things, personally. Separating (possibly heated) political online from personal interactions and relationships with other human beings.

The correct analogy is college football spirit, or something. Or rooting for a sports team. You talk sh1t to the fans of the other team, etc, but once the game is over realize it was just a game, the thing over, move on.

AlapoMarun:
there is NOTHING wrong with being proud of your tribe, height, eye color, wieght etc. If we continue to walk around always trying to be politically correct then we wouldnt be true to ourselves

I beg to disagree. You are proud of your height? Why? What did you do to contribute towards your height (Besides eating beans, of course? )?

And No! this is not about being PC, I'm as un-PC as they come but this whole thing is ridiculous. If the white man was walking around with a WHITE PRIDE banner, we would be here making noise about racism, yet, it's ok to be championing IBO PRIDE, YORUBA TRIBE? Not getting the double standards.

So I guess you get pissed off when St Patricks day rolls around. Or at Chinese-Americans, who generally are very proud of their culture. Or native americans.

Only reason why white people don't go around saying "WHITE PRIDE" is explicitly associated with the KKK. But if a guy is Latvian, you can be damn sure he will let you know about it, tell you about the history and anecdotes of his people. So why is it OK for a Latvian to do this, but not for me to do this, as a Yoruba man? This is what I want to know.

This to me seems a double standard. White ethnic groups can be as proud as they like, African ethnic groups are tribalists who are holding back Africa or something.

Kobojunkie:
Is it even the case that they are proud of their tribes here? Or are they simply hateful beings using that as an excuse to hate on people of other groups? What in their posts/actions on here shows they are even remotely proud of their ethnicity, let alone their own people here? Are we also to believe that racists are simply people who are proud of their skin color?

Come on now, you are better than this. A racist is defined explicity by hatred of another group. Most of the so-called zealots or tribalists here don't even hate the other group. You'll see yoruba and igbo partying at the same parties, for pete's sake. Are you REALLY going to compare this to KKK members? When do you see KKK members dating/marrying black people (aside from the Dave Chapelle skit)? Or partying with them?

There is a difference between political disagreement and racism. They are not the same thing. Most people here, even the ones you call tribalists have political disagreements. They aren't racists, and have no personal animosity towards individuals from other ethnic groups. Me, I dislike the nebulous North. But does this mean I hate individual Hausas? Heck no.

Kobojunkie:
What do you think I do when I see people insulting people from my own tribe or village? Or wait, is it that you think I do not love my own people or tribe as much as you do because you choose to descend as low as those whom you claim to be the ignorant tribalists in this?

Dude, these people have the right to say what they want to say, no matter how silly and ignorant. But the minute you seek to descend to the same level and express yourself in much the same way, you also reveal that you are no different from those you detest, which is exactly what you do over and over here. So what are you arguing about?

So if someone physically assaults you, then fighting them back also demonstrates that one is no different? If you subscribe to that philosophy, fine. But surely you can see it is some might have a different perspective, and not be completely unjustified in having it.

I will say this though, there are tribalists and there are the ignorant tribalists(this second group I consider dangerous and mostly made up of people who fit the american equivalent of KKK). I am not against people being passionate about their ethnicity( as I view those in the first group), but when people descend to hacking at others in the name of loyalty to their ethnicity/people, then there is a huge problem. You belong more to the second group by the way.

You are creating a false equivalence. Hacking at someone else IN RESPONSE to them hacking at you is not a huge problem, for pete's sake. So in your mind, the correct response is to let slander and lies just sit there? E.g., someone accusing Awolowo of GENOCIDE? I should just shut my @$$ up if someone says moronic things like that? (BTW, for this last example, I didn't just talk random crap about Biafrans, I demonstrated explicitly how the accusations were false.)

AlapoMarun:
Can someone please explain to me this whole thing about being PROUD of your tribe?  I'm really confused Are you also PROUD of your height?eye-color?nose?skin-color? Abeg someone help me out, What exactly is this "pride" that we are all claiming, in something you have absolutely no control over?

And this is supposed to be the new generation? I guess nothing ever really changes,  tsk tsk

Can someone explain to me this whole thing about being proud of your parents, brother, sister, cousin? What exactly is this "pride" that we are all claiming, in something you have absolutely no control over?

And no, nothing changes. Nothing is new under the sun.

Look, at the end of the day, if you are old enough to make your own decisions of this sort, then you are also old enough to make your own way in life if your parents retract their funding.

lol @ sending his parents to an early death. As if that is likely his primary concern! No, this is a simple matter of his personal finances.

Regarding the definitions of steal and defraud, please let's not reduce things to trivialities. Surely you can infer things from context.

knotty:
We can be an island to ourselves if we so choose. then, we will not need imported Rice when we know our rice farmers are too lazy or dumb or both to polish and parboil rice to acceptable standards.

we will not need to import fertilizer when we have camel dungs everywhere.

we will not need to import anything.

please, let us face it, the quality of the banana is am seeing around is by far better than the banana i used to know.
it is now i am getting to know that they too are imported.

please, there are no shortcuts in excellence.

we either get it right or someone else will profit from our mediocrity.

+1000. Protectionism is not the answer. Step up our game or perish.

ShangoThor:
[size=22pt]I can smell BullSh@t in the air! [/size]

I can smell BullSh@t in the air from the haters on this board, damnnnn, all that matters is [size=18pt]Would you hit it? [/size]

Yes you bloody would, LOL!!

+1000

Sadly I must admit that there is a lot of hating going on amongst Nigerians Look at all these comments nitpicking

Sorry to bump such an old thread, but this is lame. You KNOW your daddy isn't going to give you cash for school if you tell him your an atheist. So essentially you are stealing his cash. It isn't as if you are 10 years old. If you are old enough to violate the rules and precepts of your parents, then surely you are old enough to pay your own way through college!

People who want to have their cake and eat it really annoy me. And I'm not even the best Christian myself. But I'll be man enough to tell my parents, "Hey, I'm not really that interested in this thing at this particular time in my life, perhaps later down the line, "

Anyway, I guess this is to be expected. Just another Nigerian 419er, defrauding his own parents.

Are your wives/girlfriends all so stacked that you don't find her FINE?

She is a good look. . .

She is beautiful, imo

bk.babe97y:
Sure. But answer me this:

How come yall stay dying to emigrate to the Yoruba side while leaving yall homes deserted. You hate them so much yet u live in they houses and eat their food. Thats what I (and the world) dont get about you iBOs: how can u be so ungrateful?

That is it in a nutshell. The rules of this game are silly. How can you not only rubbish me and my ethnic group, our revered figures like Awolowo (comparing him to Hitler!), and do all of this while living in MY LAND? And if there is a criminal in the land and he is Igbo, then we are also supposedly not allowed to criticize him, even if he is directly hurting all Nigerians. And then you have people here who cannot separate political issues from personal ones, who consider Yoruba guys who date Igbo women rapists.

You see why these guys piss me off? It is like going into somebody's house and sh1tting on their bed, or something. And then jawwing at them when they ask you why you shat on their bed.

na_so:
^^^^^^^^
so do you now agree that becomerich is a tribalist?

Do you not see how you've rendered the word tribalist a useless pejorative? If you use such a loose definition, then everyone is a tribalist. So clearly loving your own ethnicity above all others cannot be an evil thing, if everyone on earth does it.

haka_nai:
We share alot more in common as people than you can imagine.largely the north may have only one big issue and that is the religious issues.Apart from that the others are just minor.We could resolve them at a table and keep a mutual alliance and respect for each other.Jbenue for instance can not deny the fact that in his beloved Benue for instance that the Idoma people feel marginalized and neglected.Even when David mark became Senate president the TVis fought against him more than any other.so If you take the Hausa domination as the only issue i think that is wrong.you have to look at it holistically.
I am from a minority in the North and i tell you the majority always wants to dominate you.but here we could sit down and say this is my rights and this are yours and we get along.
Lastly if you talk religion,i tell you i have a mixed family,interfaith marriage and we maintain high regards and respect for elders regardless of faith.So would i do away with my relatives and create the likes of Korea and crying everyday.It is workable.We can make the North integrate easily than the entire Nigeria.

I don't understand why the North didn't do this initially. This is how Nigeria should have been from the start, a group of mutually allied ethnicities who maintain significant control over their own affairs. You guys have turned everyone against you with the heavy-handed and selfish policies of the past. I don't get it. Nigeria COULD and SHOULD have worked. But instead it failed.

na_so:
Bros , I hope  you understand that even love has its negative expressions.
A tribalist is someone who shows strong loyalty to one's own tribe. The mphasis is on "strong". To a tribalist's tribesmen, he is only showing is identity and loyalty. But in a broader sense, his love for his tribe beclouds his judgement in every sense.

If i look at most issues from my position as an ijaw man and how it affects my tribe  first before anything else, then i am a tribalist. Becomerich is one.

Every tribe on earth does this. The white American tribe does this. The black American tribe does this. The Asian American tribe does this. The French tribe does this. The Irish tribe does this. Can you name a single tribe of people on earth who do not? How did simple human behavior and instinct become a pariah, now?

Look, if your definition of tribalist = (A) exposing a fraudulent Nigerian-American "academic" who is quite arguably hurting the reputation of Nigerians internationally and (B) defending Awolowo (a guy who is venerated within our community), then yes, we are tribalists. But obviously one can at least make the argument that doing (A) and (B) are not bad activities.

It isn't like we are running around rubbing Awo into your face. If you don't bring him up, we won't talk about him and have to defend him. Some of you guys should have enough common sense to stay away from controversial topics like that, anyway.

na_so:
Are you talking about the same becomerich who already has odua republic map and currency? The same becomerich that fabricates maps and unfounded history to favour his odua position? abeg make we hear word.

If a person who loves his own ethnicity is also considered a tribalist, and tribalist is strictly a negative term, then there is something wrong with the definition of tribalist. You cannot tell me some guy in Romania or Finland who wants his people to do well is also a "tribalist."

And keep in mind that that there are FAR more Yoruba people even just in Nigeria than there are Romanians or Finns on the face of the earth.

This is why I questioned the definition of tribalist earlier in this thread.

Reading through this, this seems more like they are interested in Igbo speakers for Niger delta reasons.

There are other more general programs by which immigrants can join the US Army to gain citizenship.

Still, it seems quite nice to have people with US Army training.

EzeUche0:
DapoBear,

You have a lot to learn about Nigerian politics. Let me tell you something. Learn about the East, before you comment on it. However, I have noticed this amongst your people. Ignorance of others.

You might be right. I don't understand your culture as well as you do. Maybe there is some hidden advantage that will allow you guys to defeat what seem like the harsh realities of logistics.

We Igbos are so widely traveled throughout Nigeria, we know a lot about other groups. We have Igbos who speak hundreds of different tongues. Lived and was raised amongst those people. Some can even pass for members of that group. It would be beneficial for us since we will understand our enemies.

When the time is right, we will call for our kin and these far flung areas.

If we can compete economically [/b]in hostile areas, I am pretty sure we can compete [b]militarily.

The Igbos economic acumen is known far and wide, it is time to show our military prowess.

Perhaps. Maybe sometime in the future we shall see. I still think logistics is a huge part of fighting a war. The simple matter of converting assets (homes, cars, stock, bonds) into weapons is very important, for example. Shipping is important. Agriculture is important (or rather, the ability to rapidly ramp up food production) is important. Distances and time required to get from Point A to Point B is important. Having a decent number of coethnics in the neighboring country and a relatively porous border with that country (Benin Republic) seems like a nice thing to have. Overall, I like how these dynamics work out for my people, and am somewhat skeptical of how they'll play out for yours. But who knows, I could be be wrong. I'm not some sort of military strategist or expert.

Action Congress (the children of Awolowo) for the win.

Hopefully AC kicks some PDP @$$. . .

johndoe200:
That is for the Western World. Everything "private" in the third world means "exclusive and unaffordable" to the majority of the countries citizens.

The interesting thing about private universities in America is that the federal government (and the universities themselves) provide ways for citizens to pay much less than the sticker price. I went to a fairly expensive private college myself. I got scholarships from the school, worked over the summers and part-time during the school year, but most importantly got subsidized federal loans from the US gov't. The terms of the loans are quite amazing. Either 0% interest, and you aren't required to start paying the money back until you graduate, or something like 3-4% interest, again, no requirement to pay back until you graduate.

This is the sort of thing the Nigerian gov't needs to do, not building new varsities. I think they do something similar in Canada, as well. It is pretty effective, imo.

Onlytruth:
Lame spin!
Your Yoruba brother admitted to murder and is unapologetic about it. So please spare us the bullc%^P.

What lame spin? This is my interpretation. For all I know, he truly did commit murder, and that comment about "psychological" stuff is his way to make people like me think he is retracting his statement and joking. But for sure he isn't going to say, "Sorry guys, I was just kidding."

If you don't buy it, don't buy it, I don't care either way. But I don't think he is moronic enough to admit to murder online, and I believe that he was joking (of course, a very tasteless and poor joke.)

Then again, who really knows? We are all just speculating.

EzeUche0:
The fact in the matter is that there are not any Biafran "militants." All we have is peaceful demonstrators in the form of MASSOB. Igbos haven't turned to violence since Biafra, but that can always change. That is why I stated you better hope that Igbos do not look to violence to solve our problems.

Look, from my analysis, all I care about is violence and threats to Yorubaland. if you guys riot or become militants in the Delta or Igboland, I don't really care. I do not think you guys can successfully try violence in Yorubaland. There are simply too many Yoruba people in Lagos. And not only that, what is the amount of time it takes to drive from Ekiti to Lagos, 3-4 hours? So if there is violence, we can quite rapidly increase the number of Yoruba to fight anywhere in Yorubaland. Our forces and wealth are concentrated in a small amount of territory, not widely dispersed. This imo is a huge advantage tactically.

Igbos invest everywhere. We can lose our property in Lagos, we can lose our property in Abuja, as long as we have our jewel Enugu and Port Harcourt, we will be ok. Igbos who invest in another man's land desserves to lose their wealth. It serves them right. My family invested in Igboland and we are doing fine. Business is good, so it will not be any loss to us.

That is not how I think about things. Again, a lot of this stuff is localized force. Property and investments owned by a Yorubaman in Alaska are of no use in helping him fight a hypothetical war in Yorubaland. So it really, truly is a disadvantage to battle when your assets are spread, as in the case of Igbo people.

And you do know oil can be found throughout Eastern Nigeria? Crude light flows throughout the East from Rivers State to Imo and Abia State. There is also a presence of oil in Anambra State. The fact in the matter is that oil has not been tapped in Igboland, because we Igbos have seen the exploitation of the Ijaws and other minority groups. The FG wouldn't dare tap into the oil in Igboland.

That is fine, but I'm not sure how it is relevant to this discussion.