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I stand with Hillary.

rapistomenka:
We are ready for them.....we are ready to smash their lies with concrete facts

Gone are the days when their lies are left to go unchallenged

I don't even understand what you guys want again ? Are you tired of chanting your biafra or death mantra ? What happens in the country should not be ur concern since u don't want to be part of it.

ThumbzTNA:
Afonja and ugly political leaders. See OBJ, see TINUBU

You are back asshole.

basingstoke:
I prefer a photo with my Dog

I'am 100% sure you are an igbo man.

ianSweet:
I am not an igbo person. Am from Kogi, so i really dont care about who is the weak link in the south, and maybe i used the wrong words or wrong expression.
Let me say, recently, the SS and SE seemed to have form an unbreakable political bond which the SW do not want. That is why i used dat word.
I am from the middlebelt and i adress my people as the weak link of the north and i know why i said so.
Bigotry has eaten deep into the minds of some of u guys on nairaland that u tend to inteprete every word with such thoughts. This is terribly bad and unbefiting of learned individuals. U could have corrected me on my choice of words without insults.

So you expected me to clap for you after referring to my tribe as the weakest link ?
And about SS/SE solidarity: I believe you are aware how the urhobos, itsekiris, isoko dissociated themselves from biafra when IPOB protest was at its peak, mind you igbos don't recognize the edos as part of SS since they are being led by an APC governor.

ianSweet:
I am not an igbo person. Am from Kogi, so i really dont care about who is the weak link in the south, and maybe i used the wrong words or wrong expression.
Let me say, recently, the SS and SE seemed to have form an unbreakable political bond which the SW do not want. That is why i used dat word.
I am from the middlebelt and i adress my people as the weak link of the north and i know why i said so.
Bigotry has eaten deep into the minds of some of u guys on nairaland that u tend to inteprete every word with such thoughts. This is terribly bad and unbefiting of learned individuals. U could have corrected me on my choice of words without insults.

So you expected me to clap for you after referring to my tribe as the weakest link ?

Champele:
People like you are the reason Nigeria suffers.

Stop being hypocritical! Did your hero fix the road ? YES or NO.

Champele:
And what of Onitsha-Enugu road?. Or, it belong to the 5%. One day the 5% will be the 97%. Suppression has the way it works.

So You mean your hero didn't fix it ?

famosh:
Goat, he didn't ask you for ceremonial. He even went further to ask you which Igbo man ruled for 4 years & you still stupidly mentioned Azikiwe a second time.

Mumu, I said NONE wen he went further. Bros is it my fault an igbo man did not rule for 4 years ? Bros if you dey vex, enter street go protest joor!

ianSweet:
You are wrong! In 2011, 7 northern states (middlebelt especially) rejected Buhari and voted GEJ, with states like Plateau and Kaduna giving GEJ over 1 million votes each, more than even many southern states gave GEJ.

Some of u just dont know anything about the demographics of Nigeria.
Middlebelt is the weak point of Northern unity just as Yorubas are the weak point of southern unity.

Even in 2015, Buhari still lost in Plateau, Nasarawa, Taraba and FCT (middlebelt).

Yorubas are the weak point of southern unity ? See dirty words from an asshole. So why did Zik rejected AG's alliance in '60s and instead ran to the north to forged an alliance with Balewa a Grade II teacher hausa man ? Wat of ekwueme's alliance with shagari. Everyone knows your headache is still oozing out of jonathan's defeat.

famosh:
Azikiwe was never head of government in any capacity. It's like calling Queen Elizabeth a head of government. Don't come here to blatantly lie to us.

Are you an asshole ? I indicated ceremonial. Sule.

AlphaCentauri:
Mayne i see why alaigbo wants biafra. makes sense now. never had a full term president in nigeria ? wow. yall are being maligned. then again they do say nigeria has over 200 ethnic groups so there are many ethnic groups who have not produced full term presidents

So now that buhari is the president you suddenly remember no igbo man ever occupied No 1 position for 4 years ? Why not Vote for Ojukwu in 2003 when he contested ? Still remember how your elders barred any igbo candidate from contesting last year because of GEJ. You remember Daniel Kanu an igbo man that organised one million match for abacha was was graced by the likes of chukwumerije, onwenu etc. Alaigbo can go ahead with their biafra. I even heard supporting the shittes and donald trump is the latest mantra. Welldone.

AlphaCentauri:
which is why i said has there been any that did a complete 4 years as a REAL PRESIDENT not CEREMONIAL ?

There is None.

AlphaCentauri:
those are not presidential roles. i mean REAL PRESIDENT like babangida and obasanjo etc etc ?

I've earlier mentioned Thomas Aguiyi Ironsi though he was prematurely booted out.

ImoRiver:
Zik never had executive powers. The Oyibos wanted North in power and just pacified Zik with the ceremonial head.

Yes he never had. But he should have aligned with AG in the west instead of merging his NCNC with the northern party so as to get his ceremonial role.

AlphaCentauri:
is there any that did 4 whole years ?

ZiK was there for 6 years.

President (Ceremonial) - 1960 - 1963.

Governor-General - 1963 - 1966.

AlphaCentauri:
have we even ever had an igbo president in this country ?

YES. Nnamdi Azikwe (ceremonial president), Aguiyi Ironsi ( head of state)

HELP PLEASE

I have saved my credentials with PDF, but the size is larger than 500KBn how can I edit it below 500KB on my computer. I'am waiting please

MicroBox:
Note guys: DPR is not bias.. start mastering your GMAT.
Went for the graduate trainee 2009/2010.
Some question are exactly how they are in gmat. Passed the 1st and 2nd stages, went for interview at VI Lagos and everything went very well.
Please your contact address should be reachable cos that is the medium they will use to send your appointment letter.
Hmmm everything happen for a reason!

Please I also need G.MAT past Questions.

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Clinton9000:
Thank you for acknowledging that this injustice exists. Had Jonathan tried to change it, he would have been murdered. You people don't realize the forces holding and marginalizing SE and SE...powerful forces, more powerful than GEJ. They know that economic independence of SE and SE will bring about end of Nigeria.

But the forces did not stop AYIM from congesting the MDAs with the Igbos. You are simply looking for who to blame for your backwardness and irrelevance. Beside what are ur Governors doing ?

Motherfucker2:

The Indigenous People Of Afonja- IPAF will not be happy about this

You quote is becoming stale and irrelevant. Get some work to do.

Ihuomadinihu:
You seem to be mixing me up with of other participants on this thread. When you are extremely tribally motivated and sensitive you will continue to draw inferences and find it difficult to differenciate between your co debaters.
There are people that submitted that Yorubas were backward academically and were not good enough to handle top positions before independence. I didn't write such. Pls can you refer back to the previous threads and find those people?
My argument has always been that Igbos got their University quite late but they sought for proper education beyond Igboland which led them beyond Nigeria and Africa.
Secondly, Western civilization came quite late to Igbos but they made the best of it when it came and caught up with others prior independence. Before independence, a large number of Igbos were all over Nigeria working with the colonial aministrations.
Every appointment and employments back in the days were largely on merit. So why is it offfensive that an Igbo man was found worthy to be a VC of a Western institution? That Tribal Game is too boring.
Besides, it's slave mentality to debate who acquired Western civilization first. The main argument should be how much impact did it make in your region.
Do not mix me up with people's opinions if you have to respond to my post.

Alright. So what's your take about your folks that said: "Yorubas were backward academically and were not good enough to handle top positions before independence".

And again, I'm still waiting for the names of Yoruba people that ran the economy down after independence. HAPPY SUNDAY.

Ihuomadinihu:
Lol,it is not a greek gift if the colonialist had already planned what to do with their colony.
Whether he was a Gov Gen or not,he had already fought and secured independence for his Nation and that is credited to him.
Like i keep saying,this silly argument ends on nairaland. The legacy of Azikiwe is out there for the world to see and it has been acknowledged several times without your sanction or permissions.

A leader should know all gifts are not meant to be collected no matter how well packaged or enticing the gift might be, same way EVE collected an apple in the bible and the rest is now history Lol..., and beside why must be subject himself to be used as a plan for the whitemen ? Why is it that conscience is always buried as soon as what would benefit us is involved ? Zik should have known better!

Ihuomadinihu:
At the end of the day,you are blaming Azikiwe for not having a bloody encounter and subsequently making a mockery of his anti colonial struggle and Pan African ideologies.
First and Foremost, Nigeria's fight for independence was handled by intelligent men in such a way that there was no need for blood baths. A true leader is not who can shed blood and initiate riots and violent demonstrations,a true leader is he who is charismatic enough to initiate people to a course and put all his resources and abilities to actualize the agenda of his course.
A leader can manifest in several ways,there is nothing suggests that a true leader must be brutalized. If he is brutalized or killed along the way. Then it is a prize he paid for what he believed in.
So when he is not killed or beaten,do we now make light of his struggles and leadership qualities?
Your point is extremely one sided,ilogical and tinted with ethnic sensitivity .
Away from this thread,there is no one that rubbishes and limit Azikiwe's legacy to fit into his idea of what a leader should be.
A good question to take away from all this is, if Azikiwe was yoruba will i be fighting to belittle his legacy?
On my side,i have been able to talk about him based on the factual evidences and acknowledgements out there. Good luck on trying to fight international consensus.

Bros I wasn't blaming Azikwe for not having a bloody encounter, I only said he was lucky or don't you know the difference again ? I told you to stop skewing my words for your own benefit, infact you are fast becoming a liar, Beside the likes of Marcus Garvey, W.E.B Du Bois did not have a bloody encounter or would you also rank zik above them ? the likes of lumumba, MLK, Malcom X would not have had a bloody encounter if not for that fact that they were assassinated. I also remember I said such near-bloody experience @times is an acid test to affirm your loyalty to your course coz we've heard of people that failed or betrayed their followers due to the stiff opposition they encountered.

Additionally, you said "A true leader is not who can shed blood and initiate riots and violent demonstrations". If that's your own perception of a true leader that means you've painted leaders that fought brutally for their own independence as bad leaders. You can't compare how Nigeria gained its independence with other countries because our colonial masters did not lay hold too much on the issue before handing a country over to us infact we got it on a platter of Gold compared to countries like SA, Tanzania, Angola etc.

Lastly, no one is rubbishing zik's legacy, I've already let you know my stand about this argument from the onset, my stand is clear and precise: you don't have to make it look as if I'm a running someone's legacy, and you have to stop seeing someone's argument as an assault.

Ihuomadinihu:
Why would a reasonable person repeatedly use one Event and site to justify his worthless convictions?
There are numerous platforms where Azikiwe is mentioned alongside others as big and notable symbols/figure on Pan African Nationalism.
I gave a good example of how Azikiwe mentored Nkrumah who later ran off with Azikiwe's Pan Africanism beliefs and enforced them in Ghana.
I gave an example of the more Popular Pan African Summit in London where Azikiwe was a major participants alongside the names you keep mentioning.
It will be a gread dis service to Africa to elevate those names and not talk about the legacy of the only Nigerian Pan Africanist whose beliefs were adhered to and supported by his contemporaries.
When i say forefront, i don't mean the Greatest. I see that you have big peoblems with WordDefinitions.
Forefront here mean noticeable/important/inspirational and of course he was a notable Pan African Nationalist mentioned along side the other folks.
Inbetween- in a literal manner mean beside two extremities.
In this case,it means written and placed alongside other Symbols of the Pan African Movement.
His Ziks movement actively promoted his Five principle for African Liberation and United states of Africa which is still consulted by modern Pan African Nationalist.
You have nothing to back up the statement that nobody knows Azikiwe beyond here.
For your information, Azikiwe of Nigeria and Zik of Africa is a popular figure in African and Nigerian history. Go and tell that one to the Popular Azikiwe avenue in Tanzania.
You need Empirical evidence to support that useless statement.
After all said and done, Azikiwe remainds an important personality in Nigerian's fight for indepedence and a Pan African Nationalist. EOD.

I've already given you reputable sites to affirm my point on Pan-africanism since you've stylishly labeled "Wikipedia" a yoruba platform. Seems you are literally-mentally deficient of Pan-Africanism movement: it goes beyond the shores of Africa as long as you are an african descent. So I was surprised someone could open the four cardinal points of his mouth and place Zik alongside MLK, Malcom X, Marcus Garvey, Lumumba et al. Infact you initially placed zik at the forefront with no one alongside, which means you ranked him as the most prominent (Based on oxford Dict.)

Also that fact that someone mentored you does not restrict you from outshining your mentor. I believe you heard of the likes of Howard thurman, Bayard Rustin et al: those are the folks that mentored MLK, so how come MLK became more relevant than them ? Even Apostle Paul Outshone Gamaliel his mentor in the bible.

And about Zik's name that might not be known in Botswana example: I specified "Remote Place in Botswana" and also other african countries. So stop skewing my words to score political points. And I stand by it: African folks are more familiar with the likes of Mandela, Gadaffi, Lumuba, MLK, Malcom X than Zik. Also I neva said nobody knows Zik beyond Nigeria, you can kindly point out the exact place where I said. I'm even surprised you've twisted your words again by placing Zik alongside other influential Pan-Africanist which has contradicted your FOREFRONT assertion because you never included anyone alongside initially. I'am watching you.

Ihuomadinihu:
lol,you still can't situate forefront properly? I didn't even mention Greatest and Best and you rant in this manner?
If you can define words reasonably and put them in a proper context,then you will discover that your arguments has been furtile.
Secondly, Wikipedia is not the only site and link existing on the net therefore cannot be used to justify a daft argument when there are other worthy sites around. The page only carried limited information about an organization,did it list other important ideologies,events,conferences,personalities and struggles associated with this movements?
Prior to the dates in that site, Pan African movements had already taken shape and were held in other places and involved people not found on that limited list.
I can list big names that are not on that list that should have been added. The names that were ''included'' doesn't mean they are the only people. The list only include some people associated with the movement of which Azikiwe and others were big advocates of the movement.
Guy,that list is just a list and not all encompassing.
No one can understand your obsession and effort channeled towards slighting Azikiwe's pan African legacy.
Only a sstupor will say that a Polar bear is not an animal because he didn't see it in a particular textbook.
He stands tall when the rooster is called and reviewed.
Good riddance.

Checkout Cambridge Dictionary Definition of Forefront:

* "The most noticeable or important position".

Oxford Dictionary Definition:
* "The position of greatest importance or
prominence"
Let's assume we go with cambridge definition: then what is simply means is zik is the most noticeable pan-africanist or he held the most prominent pan-african position. I've made my point clear about zik right from the onset: you can't just wake up from your slumber and rank zik to be the most prominent (oxford definition) Pan-Africanist thereby relegating others or making them to assume the back bench. I even said it several times that zik was influential but some Pan-Africanist had more influence, but you chose to close your eyes to my assertion that zik was influential and you went further by trying to Panel-beat the word "Forefront" and lately began the use of derogatory words.

I was even surprised you did not say "Wikipedia" is a yoruba site. Thesame wikipedia that started its pan-african research from Trans-Atlantic slavery.

Now go through Britanica Research on Pan-Africanism:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pan-Africanism

Encyclopedia Link:

www.encyclopedia.com/history/asia-and-africa/african-history/pan-africanism

African Link:

africanhistory.about.com/od/politicalhistory/a/What-Is-Pan-Africanism.htm

AfricanAge Link:

exhibitions.nypl.org/africanaage/essay-pan-africanism.html

Now let's talk about this:

"Only a sstupor will say that a Polar bear is not an animal because he didn't see it in a particular textbook."

I kept repeating myself but its like your brain needs some hammering operation: Zik is one of the Pan-Africanist but he still falls below the food chain to some highly influential Pan-africanist. In the case of polar bear: I strongly believe you can't deny people's familiarity with animals like Lion, Tiger, Elephant etc but that does not change the fact that polar bear is not an animal, but people are just familiar with those aforementioned due to their popularity and exploits! Even THE HOLY BIBLE made an example out of Lion. And beside don't be surprised some learned folks don't know the animal called POLAR BEAR.

PentiumProf:
They are going nowhere
Their masters will not set them free anytime soon

Your incurable headache is simply because of SW alliance with the North in 2015, even with that GEJ still won a state in SW and the total votes he got from SW was more than 1.8M votes. Where was the trust when Zik rejected an alliance with AWO and instead pitch is tent with Balewa a Grade II teacher ? What about Ekwueme's alliance with shagari ? Your hypocrisy is the worst I've ever seen. Who are the Red-capped senators following saraki: a Yoruba-Fulani man to court occasionally ?

PDP: a party referred to as a Christian Party during 2015 election is being controlled by Fulani men. The Chairman is a fulani man likewise Board of Trustee chairman. Stop ur Hypocrisy.

felicitywe:
ur submisson is so poor.Bc Zik was nt brutalized therefore u cannt regard him as a pan African.Well do a research on Zikist Movement&its activities in Nig independence.Also ask of Comrade Raji Abdallah frm Egbiraland.The fact dat he accepted didnt diminish his prowess,contributn as a Pan African.Pls read history n learn 2 be objective bc no matter hw far u go wt lies someone will debunk it one day.

I can see you've not been following my post, there was no where I said Zik can not be regarded as a pan-african. I even said he's one of the best African Nationalist. Please stop twisting my words. I was simply against the dude that placed Zik at the forefront of Pan-Africansim. I even showed him a Pan-African link and Zik's name, quotes, philosophies were not mentioned there. Please don't misquote me.

Ihuomadinihu:
If your definition of a seasoned Nationalist mean Brutalized,beaten and scorned then you got it all wrong.

A seasoned Nationalist is an inspiring figure that can harness what his has for actualization of a course. If it turns bloody along the way then the colonialist are to blame.
People agitating for their right musr not be brutalized to be heroes,that is an African mentality.

Would you have known the likes of Marcus Gavey, MLK, Lisa Park, Harriet Tubman etc If lives were rosy for the AA then ? And mind you it was not an African mentality: the likes of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Che Guevera were not left out. So that was why I said Zik was a little bit lucky he did not faced stiff and brutal opposition those men encountered. Such experience most times brings out the real you and let people know where you stand, of course we all know some leaders that fail and falter on their course due to not getting things on a platter of gold. The closet experience zik would have had was the 1996 coup whereas he suspiciously traveled out a day to the event.

Ihuomadinihu:
Kindly show me where i called Azikiwe the Greatest African Nationalist?? I've maintained that he was at the forefront of the Pan African Movement as can be seen in his enduring legacies in Africa and participation in the Pan African Movement.
Why are you drawing inferences when i've not written such?
I gave different explanations of Azikiwe's anti colonial legacy and Pan African ideologies that motivated the likes of Nkrumah yet you keep undermining him because he is Igbo and unworthy to be celebrated like his mates.
Irrespective of what you say, where the rest of names are mentioned, Azikiwe always stand boldily inbetween.

Fortunately,you are the one that keep playing the Tribal game. Well,keep playing because Azikiwe is not seeking for your validations. The international community has already credited him.

You said Azikwe is at the fore front of Pan-Africanism but I gave you a link to Pan-Africanism but his name, quotes, philosophy were not mentioned. Here is the link again:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Africanism

We could see how the likes of Nkrumah, Kenyatta, Lumumba stood out outstandingly!

You also place zik at the forefront without including any african leader alongside! But you just twisted your now word by saying Zik stood boldly in-between. You've already said he's at the forefront. Being at the forefront simply means: "to be leading" which to you implies other african leaders are not really known or some inconsequential! Go to a remote place in botswana and I tell you most of them would barely know who zik is, but mention people like Mandela, Gaddafi, Kenyatta etc. and note their reactions. Once again zik was an influential leader but his influence can still not be compared with other african leaders.

Ihuomadinihu:
Who said Yorubas were not doing well pre independence? Didn't you just write that you are not playing the tribal game. That's incredible.
The earliest submission is that Igbos quite literate before independence and secured a lot of employment with the colonial administration. The earliest public servants irrespective of tribe all got there by merit.
So how did you drag your Yoruba into this? When people want to give kudos to their forerunners you jump in and accuse them of not mentioning your tribe?
Pathetic.

The Genesis of this argument was when you and your folks said there were no qualified yoruba academician eligible to be appointed U.I and UNILAG VC respectively which means SW had no qualified professor in 1960 when dike became U.I VC and 1962 when Njoku became UNILAG VC. and I also told you their appointments was a result of Zik's influence coz zik was the Gov-General btw 1960-1966. I also relate it to how GEJ appointed new VCs to his newly established fed. Uni.

Now look at it this way: How come a yoruba man (Prof. Oladele Ajose) in 1962 became 1st O.A.U VC ? It was because O.A.U was established by Action Group in western region and Zik and Balewa had no power over O.A.U.

In the case of UNILAG, When Prof. Eni Njoku wanted to serve another term, he was fiercely resisted by the school management composed of Yoruba Professors, their protest led to the emergence of Prof. Saburi Biobaku as the VC. The west had more than enough intellectual properties but Zik knew what he was doing when he turned down Awo's alliance and merged with Balewa because the north were really backward academically which gave him a clear chance to populate the civil service with his kinsmen.

The Notable Harold Smith also said zik wanted to catch up with the west academically at all cost, even Achebe affirmed that the west had an early start academically before independence.

Again you've dribble yourself away from my question but I will still ask you again: Give me the names of yorubas that ran nigeria economy down after the war. I'm waiting.