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I am jus a neutral historian here, I wanna learn and I ve some few questions...

1.if oyo actually colonise up to dahomey.
a. Y did d white men name d bight at dat region d bight of Benin and not bight of oyo.
b. Present day benin Republic rename themselves after the bight of Benin which was actually named after benin empire far within the interior, why not oyo Republic due to its large influence.
c. Rumour has it dat before d renaming of dahomey d den president actually acknowledge benin and came to Benin..

2.If oyo was that potent..
a. Y oyo allowed their fellow brothers to suffer in d hand of Benin as vassal state.. Such as Ekiti, Lagos, ondo and part of osun.
b. Remember history has it dat d ibadan army were chase away by benin military from invading Ekiti cos it was their responsibility to protect their vassals.
c. There r evidence of urban ancient Civilization in Benin dat shows an empire once existed here, the walls of Benin, it's in d guiness world record book, and d amount and time estimated for it shows continuity for hundreds of years...

3.History has it dat oranmiyan left benin out of anger because he could not enter d city to rule, and left to form oyo..
a. Same history has it dat oranmiyan upon getting to oyo met some resistance bt he was so powerful that e single handedly conquered dem, why didn't e conquered those dat resisted him in Benin? You don't cause a war in ur father house..

Let's b sincere if u c d pics of wen Oba and oni at different occasion visited d olu, u should knw how wel d indigenous Nigeria kings knw d history better

Stop telling us oduduwa sent his son to Benin, start d story from the start... Oduduwa was actually a Benin Prince in d first place,so pple will understand

Who notice dat it was only d Benin king dat was recognised as the Oba

OMANBALA1:
Who told you guys Oba of Bini handed eben and ada to these chiefdoms?? It's a borrowed culture just like your Oba wears Catholic priest cassocks presented by Portuguese slave merchants...African are just pitiful...that ffuck is wrong with a black man??

So the olu of warri also borrowed it or was it given?

OMANBALA1:
Who told you guys Oba of Bini handed eben and ada to these chiefdoms?? It's a borrowed culture just like your Oba wears Catholic priest cassocks presented by Portuguese slave merchants...African are just pitiful...that ffuck is wrong with a black man??

Just like the way it was borrowed in Lagos and the bight was name bight of Benin, just like when you click on the obi interview on YouTube wen e was ask were he came from, he said firstly I am an edo man, I am an igala man and I am also an igbo man whichever you chose you are not wrong

macof:
doing the only thing you know - trolling

You asked for my source, I gave you two.

End of story boy

OMANBALA1:
This mofo has latent stage ignorance. That bogus map you have posted on numerous occasions and kept posting it hoping it might at some stage gain relevance is an insult to enlightened minds and a mockery to the academically learned historians. Anybody could have manufactured that toilet paper you call a document. There is absolutely nothing to prove Bini Kingdom had such spread....NO EMPIRICAL FACTS!! Also, I could remember you were the ffool that actually thought Igodomigodo extended all the way to Dahomey. You Bini leeches are unbelievable...you guys are littered all over the net working very hard to recreate your Bini fantasies....lmao...too late, Bini is history and will never become more relevant/popular/influential than they are today. For instance, though Onicha borrowed Bini culture but the only time you Agbogidi in Bini is based on a well articulated invitation and the only material culture of Bini left in Onicha is the sword which they borrowed. The chants which are very strong part of Onicha culture is rooted in Igbo.

Secondly , why don't you tell us the areas the Bini mound surrounded abi you no know say I be Ohoro boy...well, those exact areas surrounded by the mound explains the extent of your chiefdom...lol.

I used to doubt the benins until I read the book by our own Dr nnamdi azikwe title *My genealogy * read it and the history of onitsha it will tell you that the founders were Prince and nobles from benin

It's only in Nigeria that population is seen as a tool of superiority, remember Nigeria is the most populated nation in Africa bt were r we now...

OMANBALA1:
This is the reason why your politicians can easily manipulate you. You are steeped in ethnic superiority while others excel in higher areas.

Bini that deafted little villages how much do they have to show for it...Their language is literally extinct. You should keep quiet....Even Ijaw can invade you, kill your king and take over your women, children and lands. You should be humble because you are minority and no serious traditional ruler of non descent pays homage to him....Agbor doesn't, Yoruba doesnt and no Igbo does..your little chiefdom will keep shrinking...changes are constant and just like British empire shrunk until they almost have no substance Bini chiefdom is following according with your language disappearing. You better be nice and humble to your neighbors

Ask the oba of lagos, obi of onitsha, olu of warri, dein of agbor,all the King's in edo and delta, deji of akure why they are all still using the staff from Benin empire as their symbol of authority... I mean Ada and Eben

Then go to the palace of the obi of agbor and collect the ada and eben[symbol of authority] in ancient Benin empire given to them by the oba of benin

My question is this:which Kingdom oyo defeat and annex to mke dem empire since all their battle na defeat dem get

Hmmm na wa o, the so called oyo empire suffer many defeat o, defeat from ilorin, defeat from nupe and defeat from dahomey girls too numerous to mention, e b lyk weneva dey fight defeat go show face

Pls somebody should correct me if I am wrong, was it not dix same nupe people that oba esigie of Benin bullied and defeated in d igala war

Can someone apply for law wit a D7 in literature

Always talking nonsense

Pls let's b realistic, Jesus christ d son of the most high GOD didn't jump from heaven...
Oduduwa met pple at ife, so how is he the symbol of creation...
Oduduwa is not indigenous to ife

Obalufon:
Laughing .. Oduduwa is a symbol of creation.... if oduduwa the king descend from the sky what is big deal in it ..Elijah used chariot of fire to ascend to heaven lot of mysterious and supernatural things happened in the bible that defiles common sense/ logic ,science and rational mind still yet we believe it wholeheartedly .. Yoruba's are powerful and mystical people we are ancient being we are the first .. Genetically we are different

Like oduduwa falling from the sky abi

Obalufon:
Fairy tale..laughing..

[quote author=Obalufon post=77338407]Too many great kings have ruled and made the name of yoruba known all over Africa From Mali to shore of Mauritania and Senegal , morocco bornu , and Sudan and through out west Africa.. Oyo kings have always been revered and praise as the lord of Niger to upper Volta river Oyo empire stretched from western Nigeria to Ghana conquered Ashanti empire stopped them from extending their empire to Togo and Benin republic /Dahomey . shared boarder with Songhai/Mali empire when northern Nigeria were under great Songhai empire still yet Oyo were raiding the north using them as slaves till today yoruba see the north as slaves Niki kingdom baribas were under oyo empire ,vassal state of Oyo even Nupe at a point in time ....,.African greatest scholars Ahmed baba wrote about Yoruba and Oyo also Moroccan historian and world traveler ibn battuta gave his own account
. Hadn't been for European Benin wouldn't be known moreover he glory of Benin belong to Ile-ife Oranmiyan [/quote






Instead of you to list the King's names u r telling us too many great kings, so den dont hve names...
Claiming to hve stretch far and wide without those others Kingdom hvin it in their own history is fallacy.. If the so called oyo-empire- was actually an empire the European would hve taken their voyage of discovery team over there for themselves...
Now let's trash d issue of oranmiyan, oranmiyan actually returned back home, because he was the son of oduduwa who was the legitimate heir to the throne of benin...
Oranmiyan was said to hve left benin out of anger because he wasn't allowed to enter the city by those that were rebelling, bcoz d pple insisted that even though he is direct descendant he wasn't brought up in the art and skills of benin, but yet his son who was born in benin was allowed to bcom king...
Note:the benin pple actually went for oduduwa to come back and not for oranmiyan his son because oduduwa was trained in the art and skills of benin..
When oranmiyan left out of anger he called the pple ile ibinu meaning land of anger saying that only a son born in benin can actually rule benin....
Accordingly to the oyo account oranmiyan was describe as a powerful warrior that he single handedly defeated those that revolted against him when he got to oyo, so my question is why didn't him single handedly defeat the benin pple .
1..was he a coward then..
2.blood is thicker than water

johnnyjustcome:
your comment is needless

Dat does not change the fact that the post is stuipid

Stuipid post, yoruba pple trying to claim relevance

[qquote author=Olu317 post=76983032]

All I just stated only proved what had been said earlier that you overrated your Yoruba king at the detriment of the truth. And there is no where Oba Bini was Ogiso lineage. Nothing Oba is igodomigodo in Edo until Yoruba arrived. AndYoruba taught you all you acquired as civilization.[/quote]Stop allowing sentiment to take the better part of your IQ, yoruba brought civilisation to benin u r mkin me laff, yes we agree that oranmiyan was the first oba of benin of the second dynasty but we r also telling you that oduduwa was a prince and the first son of ogiso owodo the last ruler of the first dynasty

How does this prove anything

Olu317:
I mock your ignorance Mr man. I, know the history of oranmiyan more than you because i am part of his descendants.

In fact, Oba Bini gave a gift to a descendant of Oranmiyan who was a warrior king known by the name Odelu ikan in Eastern Yoruba land,when he shook the whole Eastern Yoruba as a prince- king mercenary.

And oranmiyan was also a descendant of oduduwa who was also a descendant of the last ogiso of igodomigodo now known as Benin

Olu317:
I am not too sure about your point on ‘plight?', Certainly Bini-Edo,Urhobo etc do have cultural influence on Itsekiri. Even at this,the royal blood that is of Bini is even a Yoruba descent(Oranmiyan descendants). What ever your perceived anger toward Yoruba is best known to you. South Africa Afrikaners are Dutch descendants despite their migration to Africa for close to 500 hundred years or more and never shy away from it. But on NL, I see you and perhaps few others championing a cause that does not exist in Real life.

I will advice you to read more from ‘Olomu', an Itsekiri man who is the Owner of the blog known as ‘globalpeacearithmetic'. Perhaps, it will do you more advantage to channel your energy toward enhancing your clan's better alliance via productivity and other business opportunity with other Yoruba enclave which is due to language and historical link.

9jakool:
I guess the Anglo-Ijebu war doesn't count as resisting colonialism by you. Even outside of home soil, Yoruba resisted colonial powers. In Brazilian history books, Yoruba were involved in the Great Bahia revolt and the Male revolt, which today still remains the largest slave revolt in Brazil. If Oyo was under Dahomey as you claimed, why did Oyo conquered Dahomey in 1748 during the Oyo-Dahomey wars. Dahomey was paying tributes to Oyo and would later resort to different war tactics to free itself from Oyo's control. While Oyo's boundary encompasses 4 African countries including modern day Nigeria, Dahomey's boundary did not extend an inch beyond modern day Benin republic.

Oyo empire's influence cannot be underestimated. Oyo empire stretches to Benin Republic, Togo and Ghana. Yoruba people founded cities, establishing their political hegemony and encompassing other ethnic groups. Porto-Novo, the second largest city in Benin republic was founded by Yoruba. In Togo, Yoruba founded Atakpame and Kpalime on the Ghanaian border. The Oyo empire encompassed many Gbe-speaking people such as Ewe of Togo and Ghana who claim that they came from Ketu, another Yoruba city. The Ga-Adangme people as far as Accra, Ghana claimed that their origin is Oyo. The ooni, not too long ago made a visit to Ghana, were the Ga-Adangme chiefs pledge and reinforce their ties to Yoruba people. Oyo was an imperial force to be reckoned with. Deal with it.

As for Benin, Oyo empire and Benin empire fought a number of wars, but both were unable to subdue each other. And you should know, Oyo empire isn't synonymous with Yoruba. Although it was a major central power, not all Yoruba people were under Oyo, and back then there were numerous Yoruba states that were very powerful. Even the Easternmost Yoruba state, Ogho which literally sits on the door Of Benin was never captured by the Benin even though they tried multiple times. After the mutual cultural exchange that took place between the two over a number of centuries, Ogho people till today were able to hold on and maintain their identity to Ife and not Benin. Even with their proximity to the imperial power of Benin, they were able to maintain their "Yorubaness" unlike many other ethnic groups around the region today who tie their origin to Benin. That right there is another example of resilience of Yoruba culture.

We didn't rewrite our history, NEVER! We've always maintained our origin to Ife, that's the bond that tie all Yoruba together no matter how distinct we've come to be. And lo and behold, this oral tradition is supported by scientists who would later found the oldest cultural artifacts from Ile-Ife. The history of Yoruba is extensive and its echoes are heard all over the world.

Keep trying...

Pls tell me the meaning of ogho in yoruba

geosegun:
This is where you mixed it up. I said Yoruba as a whole? A war could be differentiated from “pockets of battles” that happened in isolations.
Now, Hausa/Fulani was able to sack Oyo via ambush not in a battle one on one. They were only able to even do this because they betrayed Afonja a bonifide son of Oyo. Note that Oyo finally and completely won the subsequent battles at Ajese ipo. Nupe/ Tapa - that was in uprising during tax / Isakole and remember Sango’s Mother was a Nupe woman. Hence the battle was taken with gloff’s hand. The same thing happened with Benin - how can the Father/Progenitor (Yoruba) fight the son (Benin)? What an abomination!!! Yoruba have values and adores bloodlines. If you look at those Benin issues closely you will realise that the ancestors were possibly the trouble makers (could be very stubborn and proud?) and are mostly ignored most times. I think there was an occasion that a Yoruba - An Ijesha/Ekiti warrior decided to treat their fu)K-up. You know the rest of the history. Even - Oyo was warned never to attack Iwerre Ile (Warri) no matter what happen - because one of the Oyo Kings mothers was from Iwerre Ile (now known as Warri). Go and read Dahomey history again, they were largely ignored because of the on going civil way within the Oyo empire at that time. Etc etc... how many wars have Benin Fought with other Kingdom? Just nae 2?

For you to even mention all these list shows how relevant the Oyo empire was and recognised. I wonder why you like to say otherwise in most of your comments. That shows pure envy, man. So young man go and learn history. I repeat no one can undo Yoruba general achievements even up to the current and future generations. We are still and will continue to be the trail blazers and pace setters. The Benin Kingdom would have been the last surviving African Kingdom but for stubbornness and pride as I have explained earlier.

Please note that I am not talking down on what Benin Kingdom or her achievements, never will I. They’ve done well. But you don’t try to down trods on other people’s achievements just because you want to rise and be relevant? It is not done this way. We will continue to show maturity and appreciates our Benin sons and brothers - blood they say is thicker than water.

It's obvious u dnt knw history tell us how can oyo empire wage war against warri, remember warri was part of Benin empire,yorubas always coming with excuses...
Oyo wasn't an empire, oyo didn't have any vassal state...
Fighting Benin empire was like going for a suicide mission...
Ooni was not a kingship title, oduduwa was a priest and ooni means the spared one, you guyx knw d story of ooni so let's be realistic

gregyboy:
Even the most Revered lle ife was attacked by egba they even fought in the iljaye war so what was so special not fighting benin and abomination in it. if you want me to read you Yoruba history i would but am a benin man

Fighting Benin was like a suicide mission then!!!

davidnazee:
Was Yoruba ever “whole/one”? Throughout history was there ever Yoruba as one race? The different kingdoms that now make up Yoruba fought wars in their history and lost.. they lost against Nupe, lost against Hausa/Fulani, lost against Dahomey.. Eastern Yoruba was conquered and ruled by Benin and each time there was rebellion or uprising against Benin rule the rebellion was defeated by Benin forces.
There was a time when whole of Ekiti land united under an Ewi and revolted, went to war with Benin. They were easily defeated.
I can give u links to the account.. it was documented by even Yoruba scholars...
It’s a sweet story.

Abeg help me wit d link jare let me read it

Correction plz
There is nothing like bini
It is Benin

P

The truth so far is that there is no doubt benin empire existed

Royal sword of Aithority and the flag of war of the benin empire still present in the British museum