₦airaland Forum

RedboneSmith:
Also produce evidence that the Obi of Onitsha received the sword of authority from Benin or sent tributes to Benin. The Obi of Onitsha doesn't even use the Ada sword.

Opiletool:
Hahaha. I can see how they came from benin, don't they speak the same language? Oh I forgot, the language has mutually intelligible. Last time I checked, itshekiri is classified as edoid, same with onitcha language. Hahaha.

Opiletool:
Is Ado Ekiti called a Benin town today? So what happened? Why did those towns you conquered not pitching tents with benin?
Why are they not answering benin names?
Why are they not speaking benin language?
Why did they all choose to claim other tribes?
Is it that those ethnic groups are more superior (which is the reality anyways)
Is that how horrible and despicable you guys are? I shouldn't even have asked that last question considering how ridiculous you lots are.

Bottom line is, where did you lost it as a world power (lol)?

Oshi5403:
no benin man was sold into slavery that is a good achievement

I Have To Make Extensive Research On This

Opiletool:
The same yoruba people more relevant than you today?
Shouldn't you be ashamed that those slaves are better than you fools today?
Their language and culture are being studied all over the world. They exist not only in Africa but expand to the carribbean. Not only one of the largest but the most relevant tribe in tho whole of Africa.

If I were you, I will stop talking about the past, I rather focus on how to gain relevance now and in the future. How to catch up with the tribe whose gods you worship, language you speak, and names you bear today.

Opiletool:
Enough of the lies in guise of history that you bini internet urchins are peddling about.

Aren't you guys so ashamed that those tribes you pathetically claim to rule over (igbo/yoruba) are more relevant than you lots in the polity of this nation?

You guys are so insignificant in the country today, even in terms of language. Most of you idiots answer yoruba names, speak yoruba language, run to survive in yoruba land, worship yoruba deities(who were once living entities in yoruba lands), yet you're constantly trying to foist a fake historical superiority on them. So ridiculous.

Oshi5403:
Ok
Got That.

macof:
Oduduwa is from Oke-ora not Igodomigodo(now called Bini)

Pearlyakin:
Insert is Ahmodu Tijani, a direct descendant of the founder of Lagos and Oluwa of Lagos in the 1920's.... He took the British to court in the early 1900's to protest the 1861 treaty of the British with Dosumu, arguing the the representative of the Oba of Benin at no time had rights to the Lands of Lagos and it was not his to give away..... A case he won based on historical evidence showing that the Idejo chiefs of Yoruba descent had always been the landowners of Lagos.....
There is one reason why Yoruba people don't gloat over lands they held historical stakes in but not their ancestral lands..... This is because we are blessed with expanse of lands that are very fertile and a large sea coast.... Even when some of our lands were taken and annexed into other regions, we were still ok with it..... but if we were to talk historically as is being said about Lagos, then Benin and Onitsha both belong to Yoruba people.....
The prince that founded Benin was called Eweka, he was the son of Oranmiyan who once ruled the people of the region. he founded this city because the most important nobility at Igodomigodo was hostile to the new alien dynasty from Ife and refused for him to rule from the main capital. He had to pay them for the right to lease the territory he ruled from. from this new capital, he built a kingdom designed along Yoruba spirituality like Tegbessou of Dahomey did. for many centuries, Benin paid homage to Ife as its source of leadership and spirituality untilt he arrival of the Birtish. This is is known fact of history before the many interesting revisionist stories natives of Benin engage in today to hide a terrible complex that have about how much they owe the Yoruba people for the advancement as a nation starting from the second dynasty..... Very much like the complex Igbos have at the mention of Ajayi Crowther as the man who brought christainity and exposure to Igbo land.... hsitorically, in Ajayi Crowther's journal, he expressed that before his arrival, Igbos lived in hunger and his expedition had the credit of teaching them how to farm and providing them with seeds. It was also Ajayi Crowther who built the first school in Igbo land as well as the first church, having brought Christianity to Igbo land... same Ajayi Crwother as a lingustics wrote the first Igbo alphabets and gave them the gift of putting Igbo language into words..... his grandson (Hubert Macaulay) was also the man that would groom Namdi Azikiwe from an activist into a politician and hand over the NCNC party to him..... The strong complex of the people of the East make them struggle so much with Yoruba benevolence to both Benin and Igbo people that they have given many recent revisionist stories about true ancestry of heroes from the Yoruba nation that played important roles in their emergence from a nation of backward people to one of a people with exposure and knowledge,
Onitsha did not exist until the mid 1500's, The people who call Lagos no man's land and estate of Benin also try to hide the true history of one of the most important Eastern cities. The foundation of Onitsha was laid by Benin nobles and the existence of the city was as a remote satelite extension of Benin, every new Obi must seek legitimacy by recivign a sword of authority from the Oba of Benin and it paid annual tributes to Benin... the most important Igbo figure of all times... Nnamdi Azikiwe confirmed in his book that Onitcha was founded by Benin and he was a direct descendant of his migrant founder from Benin.... This means Benin has rights to Onithsa and by extension, Yoruba has rights to Onitsha, since its nobility and spirituality foudned Benin..... Irrespective, Yoruba people do not care for their stake in these lands.... We are blessed with all we need in our ancestral lands.....
We don't need stakes in your land and we don't argue for rights to it. Don't argue for rights to ours. buying lands and building homes in the Southwest does not automatically give you ancestral rights. They are two different issues. Lagos was founded by Yoruba nobility from Ife. the 12 Idejo chiefs that originally owned the lands of Lagos since its founding are Yoruba and sons of one father. The OBA that launched a campaign to the western coastline was Oba Orogbhua....... he was not interested in the lands of Lagos, what he wanted was rights to the coast to monopolize trades by sea..... this was why negotiations was easy between the Idejo chiefs and the Oba, the treaty they signed gave the 12 chiefs rights to their lands while the king appointed by the Oba from Benin, was to regulate commerce and receive royalties..... this was why the Idejo chiefs took the British to court when Dosumu ceded Lagos to the British crown in 1861, claiming that the Oba of Lagos does not have such rights to the lands and could not sign it away..... the appellate court ruled in favor fo the Idejo chiefs and told the colonial government that they must always compensate the real owners of the land which is the Idejo chiefs anytime they needed land for colonial use in Lagos.
Lagos is the land of Aworis and the land owners are the Idejo chiefs. to continue to insult these people by calling their lands no man's land is a direct insult on their ancestral heritage. If You can't call Benin and Onitsha a no man's land, respect Lagos and its ancestral owners. even among us Yoruba people, we respect the right of the ancestral owners of Lagos. How much more migrants that did not know a place called Lagos existed before the amalgamation.

Weedfree:
Benin empire was not involved in selling of any slave and I didn't mention Yoruba people I meant slaves taking from land benin empire conquered. It was even mentioned that Benin helped people from being sold by hiding them and if I am wrong didn't a British representative came to Benin kingdom to ask him to give them slaves but he refused to and the British representative shot at him but his men shielded him didn't that happen.

Weedfree:
bight of Benin is just a name giving to that area. So u think no other tribe slave traded when Benin empire didn't even belief in selling their slaves very soon u well be thinking bight of Biafra also known as bight of bonny is only for Igbo people not knowing it is just an area that ships land to collect slaves.

goalernestman:
What you fail to know that all this kingdom was Benin kingdom then. The ones that was not his ruler will be kild and the oba of Benin will install a prince or chif of Benin in there to make the kingdom under the Benin empire and only answer to the Benin claim

The kingdom then was Benin in the south the Hausa in the north why the Middle East was Ida today knows as Igala there was not like igbo. The Benin share border with dahomey in the west using Lagos as the last region of Benin and border Cameroon in east using calaba. Then in the north Benin border ida which are the Middle East now. Some part of Nigeria east today was Benin and the other part was Ida Igala now. Ida empire wanted to expand their regions to take some part of Benin and Benin wanted the same this result to the Ida-war that was fought between this 2kingdom that border each other.

What am trying to say is Oyo empire and the nri empire is fiction. They never existed

I stay in igbo land when I was growing up in agbor the king trace or many time said they where Benin in century ago same with Asaba same with aunicha


And I have also come to understand that every tribe in the empire of Benin was given the Benin sword which they still Carey till today even as the empire is no more

Most igbo state now that close to Benin the kings there use the sword till date

goalernestman:
It just like someone like me will just go to ife and just kill the oni and take his crown or I will just go there and take the crown

Opiletool:
Shut up.
You can not tell me the story of Ado-Ekiti, because I'm partly from there. Yes it's true that a man from Benin killed the leader of the town and installed himself King, same with Ikere Ekiti, but they were never under benin's colony.

What you don't understand is, there were settlers in those towns, before some Benin migrants settled in their midst and one of them found its way into the rulership, but the chiefs and kingmakers still remain yoruba., even at that, the Yoruba language, culture and history of the towns were never lost to that of bini. Ask yourself why. It is because the settlers were more than the migrants, and there was no way a new culture can be foisted on them. Reason you still have Olukere contending with ogoga of Ikere till today.

And secondly, each town in Ekiti has its separate history and wave of migration. There were some that were founded by the pure sons and not just any grandson or relative of Oduduwa. For instance, ikole, ijero etc. So you can't just lump the whole of Ekiti together. I could remember when the new ooni visited Ekiti, he paid a visit to Ajero of Ijero in particular because according to him, there was a history that joined the ooni, Ajero, and orangun of Ila together, hence he reason he was accompanied by the orangun during the visit.

Opiletool:
Lol.

That schlep said Ado and Ikere Ekiti were under bini. Jokers everywhere. Weedfree stop wasting your time with these dumb lots.

Weedfree:
And who is to say it didn't have vessel States under it if perhaps it existed.
it is on record that when Portuguese first visited Benin in 1485 they inquired whether a powerful king of the interior they had heard of was the much sought after prester John. The oba of Benin told them of a powerful monarch in the hinterland whose face was never seen by is subjects. This reference was made to the Alafin of Oyo.
U do know that the ikwerre may be Igbo. The ikwerre are said to be related or share common ancestry with the ogba and Ekpeye people and I don't think Benin empire stretches that far. It may have been mentioned that Benin empire conquered this areas but do any of this States histories belonging to the Igbo make mention to Benin empire conquering them.
U do realize that a lot of this places u mentioned don't even speak Benin dialect and the one's that do have more Yoruba language than Benin dialect.
From my earlier post u would know that I said Benin empire was a large kingdom and yes u got some land's in the areas u mentioned but they are not large enough to compare to all of Yoruba land.
Oyo empire also had vessel States in some of the places u mentioned for example Oyo empire conquered EGBA, OWU, EWE and Dahomey that is if it existed.

Weedfree:
Let's go back to the beginning Oyo empire was established during the 15th century, the Oyo empire grow to become one of the largest west Africa States. It was established in 1300 and ended in 1895. During the 17th century, Oyo empire began along stretch growth, becoming a major empire. Oyo empire never encompassed all Yoruba speaking people. Despite a failed attempt to conquer Benin empire sometime between 1578 and 1608, Oyo empire continued to expand. whether this is true or not but it is recorded.
Oyo empire military might is one of disputable claim but Oyo empire may had have calvary due to the fact that they were in close proximity with Nupe, Hausa and Borgu they could have purchased horses from the North.
And at what century was that map made so I will know it is not a counterfeit because I have seen maps dated 1625 period showing Oyo empire.
By the way from what I read Benin empire did not belief in selling slaves which is a reason why the British hated them because if u weren't involved in slave trade could it be that it may have been other tribes selling slaves instead of Benin empire.
U are saying oyo empire is not large when it stretches over long kilometre with a land mass of 150,000 kilometre while ur Benin empire only covers 90,000 kilometre which is not accurate because oyo empire is said to cover over Benin, ghana and Togo while Benin empire didn't even cover all of southern Nigeria and u don't call that fake it was most likely made by Benin fanboys.

Nadheer15:
If they didn't unleash on Boko, they would've been locking on your door by now.

Drealthing:
True there were Benin warriors who used to come and camp at the farm land. However the people of Lagos at that time sort the help of their kindred, an Egba Hunter who mobilized from the nearby yoruba lands to chase the Edo warriors away. The Edo name for farm, Eko which is a variant of Oko for the place still prevailed however.

Nadheer15:
I swear mehn, I was expecting to see some combat skills unleashed