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Layi4real:
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Secondly Yasu is not Arabic it's a transliteration of Aramaic to Arabic. I doubt u know the difference between translation Nd transliteration.

He difference between translation and transliteration is:
Transliteration moves sound across alphabets. Translation moves meaning across vocabularies

The name Yesū is both a translation and a transliteration. Because it conveys the original meaning of the word: Yeshua (Yahweh saves) to Arabic and also conveys it's sound Yeshua – Yasū

And the reason it does so is because the person Jesus was not Arab, so his name is not of Arabic origin. The same for:

Yoruba: Jesus — Jesu

Hausa: Jesus — Yesu

Arabic: Jesus — Yasū



The only reason you're arguing is because you can't believe your Imams deceived you all these years.

Layi4real:
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Thirdly, u claim Islam rose by conquest i.e Jihad but you forgot that Christians crusade killed the largest percentage in the name of religion

God bless you for bringing this up!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU!

The crusaders were those who defended Europe against the conquest that was being carried about by the Muslim Jihadists of then. The crusaders is the reason Islam didn't conquer Europe. Islam through Jihad murdered thousands until the Crusaders came and stopped them.

So, in fact the crusaders were doing DEFENCE against Jihad. Just like what is happening in Nigeria now, we need crusaders!!

Layi4real:
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And thanks to God islam did not conquer the birth place of jisus which is Isreal. Islam has almost nothing to do with Isreal as over 70% population of the Jew who are jesus people practice Judaism follow by islam about 10% Nd less than 3% of Christians

ISLAM CAN NOT CONQUER ISREAL! YOU HAVE TRIED AND ARE STILL TRYING BUT GODS COVENANT REMANS WITH THEM! FOREVER!

The population of Christians being 3% has nothing to do with acceptance. Themuslims tha form 10% are not Jews. It's purely a GEOGRAPHICAL ISSUE.
Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries and this Muslims enter Israel for many reasons. If Israel was surrounded by USA, it will have a higher population of Christians full stop

Layi4real:
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if actually he died and rose again why are the isrealite not accepting him till date that they hated him

The Jews hating Jesus is the fulfilment of scriptures!

John 15:25: "But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: 'They hated me without a cause.'"

The are doing as God has ordained before the world began.

Layi4real:
. only Islam and Christian love jesus

Please don't say this again. You love Isa in the Quran.

Jesus is the Yasū who died on the cross (was not replaced like Isa was) and rose again on the third day and lives forever and ever!

He is the one which the Psalm spoke of when God said in Psalm 4:7

"You are my Son, today I have become your Father"

You believe and live Isa the prophet not Jesus the Son of God! Stick to your Isa!


About the pictures you posted, I won't even go into that cause Christians have moved to the NEW covenant. It's muslims that are still stuck at their own anachronistic laws and that is why you guys go around bombing people for your God.

Lets decipher your arguments one by one.

Layi4real:
As u claimed the old testament was written thousands of years before Jesus Christ as it the compilation of Book of moses and other prophetic stories before Jesus. So the old testament is not part of the bible it was only included in the bible to complete the story of all the prophet

You saying the OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT THE BIBLE JUST SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE.

The Bible is made up of two Covenants: the old and new COVENANTS

The word testament just stand for "covenant" God has made covenants with with Abraham and tat was what formed the old testament

Jeremiah 9:7-8(old testament) NIV

"You are the LORD God, who chose Abram and brought him out of the land of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham.
You fund his heart faithful to you, and you made a COVENANT with him........"

And then God later promised the New Covenant in the same book.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 : "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt...."


The Bible is the Word of God as a fulfilment of his promise of a Old and new COVENANT OR TESTAMENT

Because it's the same GOD.

Now saying that the new testament was written long after JESUS died is pure wrong.

Cause number 1 is that JESUS IS ALIVE.

HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND HE LIVE FOREVER!

But the first 4 books of the new testament of are testimony of the Life of Jesus while he was on earth by those WHO WERE WITH HIM.

Matthew and John were apostles and were with JESUS all through.

Look at what Luke said:
Luke 1:1-4 (ESV): Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

And when FOUR EYE WITNESSES SAY AND TESTIFY THE SAME THING AND DIE FOR THEIR TESTIMONY, you'll know they are not lying.

John even said this:

John 1:1-3 (ESV): That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ


So, the Bible, both the old and new testament talked about Jesus. The old testament is about the prophecies of the coming of JESUS and the New testament is it's fulfilment . They are not stories

Psalm 2:7
"You are my Son, today I have become your Father."

Daniel 9:25-26 (KJV): "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah"

Isaiah 9:6 (ESV)

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"

Isaiah 7:14 (ESV)

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

The Bible is a continuous revelation from God. That is why the old testament talks of Christ and the new testament starts with Christ and Christ came to fufuil the law and prophets. That means the prophecies of the old testament were fufuiled in the new testament

Matthew 5:17 (ESV):
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

S the new testament is a fulfilment of the old testament thereby making ONE BIBLE!

That is why the Bible says "All scripture" the bible didn't divide itself. Both old testament and new testament are scripture!

2 Timothy 3:16 (ESV):
"All Scripture is breathed out by God .........."

AND

2 Peter 1:21 (ESV): "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Layi4real:
As for u saying the 12 disciples believe in him. agreed, but do the 12 disciples represent the entire Jew people then? what is the percentage of his people population accept him when he was alive.

Now saying that the Jews didn't believe is just a BIG LIE.

MULTITUDES OF JEWS BELIEVED.

John 6:1-14 (KJV): "After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude . followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.."

Matthew 15:32-39 (KJV): "Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude , because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. ... And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children."


Matthew 4:24-25 (KJV): "And his fame went throughout all Syria: ... and there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan."

Luke 12:1 (KJV): "In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

And this trend continues in The book of Acts.

When peter preached in Acts Chapter 2, 3,000 Jews were saved!!

YOU MUST STOP YOUR LIES.

Layi4real:
And if he was truly accepted Isreal by now should have been just like Saudi Arabia which is 100% islamic state. it funny how the birth place of jesus has a population less than 3%.

Now to the question of why there are just 3% christians in Israel while Saudi Arabia has almost all the country as Muslims (NOT 100% THATS IS A LIE)

It's two reasons:

1. Islam spread through conquest and war and force. People were forced to convert to Islam while Christianity doesn't use force. Infact, in Islam as you well know, if you convert to another religion, you will be killed! So yes, No choice.

2. God has planned for ALL OF ISRAEL TO BE SAVED AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME.
Romans 11:25-26 (KJV)

25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved...."

Layi4real:
Hebrew/Aramaic Greek Latin Arabic are Semitic language closely related so u can deny as u like ISA is Jesus and Yasu is ISA they are brother language. Arab has been in existence before Muhammad Nd since God has chosen Muhammad from the Arab tribe then it logical to reveal the holy book to him in the language he Nd his people understands just like the
The fact that Arab Christian adopt using Yasu doesn't mean that Yasu is Arabic name for Jesus. if u read carefully it was direct transliteration not translation of Yashua to Arabic.

You're wrong here again. Like I said before, you can't know a language more than those that own the language. The screenshot you posted even further proved me right.

Yeshua — Hebrew
Yashua — Aramaic
Yasū — Arabic

They all mean "Yahweh saves" and like you said, the are sister languages so that is why they sound and look similar in spelling. Or do you want to know more than the Arabs that own the language?

I'll say this again: the Quran is not a language book. It is a religious book. Not a language book so it can not serve as a source for language entomology.

Layi4real:
u need to open Ur eye to see beyond European repackaged religion given to you

You are wrong here again.

Jesus did not come as an European. HE came as a Jew.

The gospel of Jesus as the SON Of God was also preached to the Europeans.

DoTheNeedful:
While Akpabio might sound insensitive to some, there is some meat to what he said.

It is not impossible that some political actors in the North are fueling the insecurity up North. I could see a parallel between level of insecurity now and the ones in months leading up to 2015 election, when the North wanted power back in the North.

What Apkabio said is insensitive in every sense of it.

If insecurity is politically motivated, that means it threatens the very political career and future if the president.

That means he should take it with utmost seriousness.

If something can threaten the political future of the president and h doesn't take it seriously, font expect him to take it seriously when his political future is not threatened.

That means if he can't tackle it now, he won't even have the motivation and will to tackle it in 2027.

Layi4real:
If the deceit has to stop then it must be you Christians that has to stop. just bcus Islam came 600 years after jesus doesn't mean the source of the Qur'an is questionable. bible aswell wasn't written during the life of Jesus. it was years after his death that information was gathered about him Nd compiled into a book. information gathered is prone to error unlike Quran that was revealed during the time of Muhammad sent to him by God through angel Gabriel.

The Jew who was the tribe of Ur Jesus didn't even believe in him how come it's u outsiders that will now tell the world what to believe about jesus. Maybe you don't know that Jesus doesn't come from Europe. if Jesus was truly what the bible claimed him to be the First people that will accept him will be his family i.e the isrealite Nd it's neighbours but funny enough people of the Isreal are more Muslims than Christians.

The name jesus changed across languages:

Hebrew/Aramaic: Yeshua
Greek: Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς)
Latin: Iesus
English: Jesus
Arabic: Isa (عيسى)

unless u wan know better than AI

First saying that the bible was written Ater Jesus is wrong. The entire old testament which JESUS Himself quoted was written, compiled and in use before he came to the Earth.


Secondly, about the Jews not believing, you're wrong. They believed. The 12 apostles and even the teachers of the law that believed were Jews.

Jesus brothers also believed even though Ater His death. And that's normal cause they saw Him resurrect from the dead! AFTER 3 DAYS!


Acts 1:14 (KJV)

"These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren."

1 Corinthians 15:7 (KJV)

Jesus appeared specifically to James, HIS brother.

"After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles."

Galatians 1:19 (KJV) — James identified as an apostle

"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother."

And that's normal cause

Psalm 118:22 (ESV)

"The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."


Again, AI is making reference to the Quran and if you check the AI app very well they always say something like this:

"ChatGPT can make mistakes"

That's means AI is not all knowing and can be wrong!

Now, I'll say this again:

ARABIC AS A LANGUAGE AND THE NANE "JESUS" EXISTED LONNNNGGG BEFORE THE QURAN EXISTED AND SO, THE QURAN CAN NOT SERVE AS A SOURCE OR ENTOMOLOGICAL REFERENCE FOR ARABIC AND A NAME THAT EXISTED LONNNNGGG BEFORE ISLAM EVEN CAME TO BEING.

NO SIR!

The word for Jesus is YASŪ and that is the Name Arab Christians who are the real owners of the language call him. And sincerely as far as Arabic is concerned, I'll rather believe Arabs rather than a Nigerian.

Maybe when it comes to Yoruba language we'll call you.

Find the attached screenshot.


So, call Isa a prophet but calling Jesus a prophet is blasphemy and if we are to go by your barbaric law, you know it's death as the consequence.

AntiChristian:
I will accept it if you also accept mine! If Muslims are terrorists you won't be alive for sure.

Even if you and your entire family become terro....rists, you can't still kill me.

I've told you what to prove before you can call other religions terrorist sponsoring religions.

I think it's time you keep quiet and run along baby terrorist.

AntiChristian:
CAN WE ALSO SAY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS ARE A TERRORISTS SPONSOR RELIGIONS?

Funny! Well thank God you've accepted the first one. Your religion is a terrorist religion

Now, before you can cal other religions terrorist sponsoring religions, you'll have to prove that they sponsor terrorism in the name of CHRISTIANITY.

And you'll have to prove that ONLY CHRISTIANS are the ones sponsoring terrorism.

But you can't, cause you're talking based on innuendo.

The last list of terrorists sponsors the FG released had about 19 Muslims out of 20

Do you see that you're just talking based on innuendo?

Layi4real:
Let me remind u that we are speaking English here and not the language of jesus I.e Hebrew or Language of Muhammad i.e Arabic. so me as a Muslim calling prophet Isa as Jesus is very right because that is the English name for it.

This deceit must stop!

Islam came 600 years after Christianity and JESUS!

What came 600 years after can not be what dictates who the messiah is called!

I mean, the source of the Quran is not even specific till today. Muhammed clearly didn't know! He ran to his wife when the so called angel gave him the Qur'an. Funny. It could have been a demon that gave him for all we know. Cause even demons masquerade themselves as angels of light.

Both by definition and by substance, Jesus is not the same person as Isa in any way!

JESUS was witnessed to have DIED, BEEN BURIED AND HE ROSE AGAIN!

THOUSANDS OF EYE WITNESSED WHO CEMENTED THEIR WITNESS AND TESTIMONY WITH THEIR BLOOD.

THEY DIED FOR THEIR TESTIMONY OF JESUS!

One book with a unknown author can not come later after 600 years and claim to dispute what eye witnesses testified by their blood!

Call your Isa a prophet. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.

CALLING JESUS A PROPHET IS BLASPHEMY!

Even looking at things logically, the language of Arabic existed yeas before Islam. Islam CAN NOT IN ANY WAY dictate what a language that came before it will call certain names.

The Arabic for Jesus is YASŪ From the Aramaic form of JESUS.

Call Isa a prophet. Yasū is the SON OF GOD!

AntiChristian:
Who were their sponsors?

CHRISTIANS AND JEWS!

I'm not even going to argue this with you.

The question is why Islam?


There are hundreds of religions on earth but only Islam is sponsored

Why is it only Islam that made itself available?

The answer is simple!

BECAUSE IT'S A TERRORIST RELIGION!

Lukuluku69:
1. The Preacher stand condemned. He is only saying that out of his volition and I think instead of bringing the video to the general public, the first place that video ought to be is with the Relevant Government Agency namely the DSS, Police and the Armed Forces. He should be fished out and punished severely. No mercy+

2. I know the matter what when Christians burned people at the stakes for dissent, difference in opinions, Sects etc and what I asked him was this: what Spirit was directing the Christians then that have seemingly abandoned or change tactics that today Christians don't do as such. He couldn't answer and ran away under the excuse that I have adult kids and greying 😆. Can you give an answer?

3. I have not heard of Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims in Kaduna, what I do know is that the Shia blocked a major highway and some of them had an issue with the Nigerian Army and they were dealt with accordingly. So, please can you share a link to this Sunni Muslims killing of Shia Muslims in Kaduna as you posted?

Thanking you as you obliged 😆

I live in Kaduna. Trust me you don't know half of the Sunni - Shia clash.

So, if I say they kill each other, Gbabe!

Then,

Lukuluku69:
2. I know the matter what when Christians burned people at the stakes for dissent, difference in opinions, Sects etc and what I asked him was this: what Spirit was directing the Christians then that have seemingly abandoned or change tactics that today Christians don't do as such. He couldn't answer and ran away under the excuse that I have adult kids and greying 😆. Can you give an answer?

Firstly, it is not new that there are different opinions in Christiandom. One of the first gifts God gave man is freewill and the ability to choose.

That's why the Bible says in

Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV)

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

And;

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

But one thing the bible has said time and time again is that God is one! ONE GOD!

Ephesians 4:4-6 (ESV)

"There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

So, that means that:

1. Man has the ability to do his own will
2. God is one and therefore CAN NOT go against himself.

Now, that being said, it means that God can not orchestrate the death of his own children.

Meaning they did that either by their own will or by the devil.

And that's not surprising cause even jesus said that not everyone that calls 'Lord, Lord" are his own

Matthew 7:21 (ESV)

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Also, the antichrist will come from the church itself!

1 John 2:18-19 (KJV)

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us ; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."



But Glory to The FATHER that he brought them to naught!

Lukuluku69:
And you need to open your mind to relearn some of the things you considered the truth in this!

1. That verse I quoted was Jehovah/Yahweh addressing Moses and not the words of Moses. Jehovah is telling Moses He (Jehovah) will raise amongst the Israelites a PROPHET who will be LIKE MOSES for the Children of Israel in the future. So, those words are not Moses' words but that of Jehovah.
2. LIKE UNTO YOU! Did Moses save the whole world? Did he lay down his life as a ransome like your Jesus?

All your comparison of Moses with Jesus are kind of funny because we can actually insert every israelite Prophet in place of Jesus, and they will ALL fit. ALL

I can give you a dozen dissimilarities between Moses and Jesus that are iron cast so much so you can't say Deuteronomy 18:18 was for Jesus!

What the verse is saying is that whoever the Israelites will be awaiting in the future will be like Moses!

Moses was a law giver, a Stateman, a warrior, a soldier, married , and a family, a Judge was Jesus any of these? Was he a Law Giver, was he a stateman, did he married and you claim Jesus is God in some other places, was Moses also part of Godhead?

You see every other stuff you wrote about Moses not having a clear depictions is arrant ........ Are you saying Yahweh who talked to Moses face to face as you claimed can't express himself succinctly to Moses? Is that not a disrespect to Yahweh himself?

Are you saying Jehovah is not capable of mentioning the word "son" to Moses but choose "Prophet in that verse?

Are you thinking at all?

Let's decipher your arguments once again:

Lukuluku69:
That verse I quoted was Jehovah/Yahweh addressing Moses and not the words of Moses.

I'll say this again because it seems like you didn't hear it the first time. Take note of the word "like"

Mose was spoken to as unto the extent to which God could reveal to him.

If "like" Moses, then in what ways is the prophesied one "like" Moses? He verses in acts that directly quotes Deuteronomy answers that question.

King James Version (KJV)

35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.

37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

He will be like Moses in the sense that He will first be rejected and then be the deliverer and ruler of the people.

Not that HE will be born I Egypt or that HE will live for over 80 years on Earth or that he will get married. Just that one thing: HE will be rejected and then become the ruler and deliverer of the world.

Lukuluku69:
I can give you a dozen dissimilarities between Moses and Jesus that are iron cast so much so you can't say Deuteronomy 18:18 was for Jesus!

This will further prove my point! Jesus can not be compared to Moses! He has only ONE similarity with Moses which is He will be rejected first like Moses and later become the deliverer and ruler

King James Version (KJV)

35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.

Lukuluku69:
Did Moses save the whole world? Did he lay down his life as a ransome like your Jesus?

Moses brought salvation to the Israelites from Pharaoh. He saved His people. God used him.

That's why I said Moses only shared one similarity with Jesus as referred in that verse in Acts 23.

35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.

Lukuluku69:
Are you saying Jehovah is not capable of mentioning the word "son" to Moses but choose "Prophet in that verse?

Very good question!! I love this question!

You see God is sovereign over who he chooses to reveal HIS secrets to.

That's why the same Moses said in the same Deuteronomy that:

Deuteronomy 29:29 (KJV)

"The secret things belong unto the Lord our God"


That's why

Moses asked God to show him HIS Glory. And what did God say?

I can't show you my glory cause if you see me you'll die

Exodus 33:18-23 (ESV)

18 Moses said, "Please show me your glory."
19 And he said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name 'The Lord.' And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live."
21 And the Lord said, "Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock,
22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
23 Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen."

And Jesus said the same thing to His disciples in the gospel of John:

John 16:12 (KJV)

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."

You see, because the same God that said "prophet" to Moses came later to clarify and said

Psalm 45

"You are my son, today I have become your Father"

And also:

Isaiah:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given"

Also, more precisely;
Isaiah 7:14 (KJV)

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

And later said "This is my beloved SON in whim I am well pleased. Hear HIM"

That means the problem wasn't the inability of God to speak but the inability of Moses to bear it at that time. Cause of course, Moses was not perfect. God killed him.

But why could God possibly use prophet there:

Because prophets speak! Look at the full text of that Deuteronomy, it talks about speaking!!!

For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do."

"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren , like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken


That's why Hebrews says the ORDER HAS CHANGED!

Hebrews 1:1-3 (ESV)

1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

And in Hebrews He says "Him who speaks!

Hebrews 12:25 (KJV):

"See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

Lukuluku69:
Are you thinking at all?

Yes sir! I'm thinking scriptures!

Lukuluku69:
Isaiah 9:5-7 (KJV) For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this


.If I may ask, what government was upon the shoulder of Jesus? Someone who did not rule over even a street in Judea? When he walked this earth in all his life, he was a subject! Never ruled a village, even a hamlet! Yet the prophecy says " ..the government shall be upon his shoulder.."

Please give me references where Jesus was called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting father and the Prince of peace in the Old and New Testament!


Did Jesus ever judge between anyone? You remember the brother that came to him to judge between him and his brother? What was Jesus response to him?

12:
12:13: "Someone in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.'" (NIV)
12:14: "Jesus replied, 'Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?'"
12:15: "Then he said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.'" (NIV)

I don't know what is wrong with you Christians really, if you want a detailed exposition of who that Prophecy is meant for, please ask.....

Let me start by first saying that Mohammed is not mentioned in the bible by any means, Literally or implied.

The concept of Islam arrived 600 years after Christianity and Muhammad was sent to the Arabs not the Jews like Moses said God will send to the Jews. And that's why we are using the Bible in this debate and not the Quran.

Secondly, look at what Jesus said about himself. Matthew 16:13-16 (NKJV)
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
and Jesus answered and said, flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my father who is in Heaven "

And look at what the old testament says in Psalm 2:7
"You are my son, today I have become your Father "

The same statement was reiterated in Matthew 24:35

"This is my son in whom I am well pleased, hear Him!"

The very acts that you quoted which referred back to Deuteronomy was spoken by Phillip and Peter referring to Jesus.

I'll say this again, JESUS WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE PROCLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF GOD.

Seems you didn't get it the first time.


Now, let's decipher your arguments:

1. Just like the Jews whose spiritual eyes were blind, they expected Jesus to come as a warrior of some sort to come and deliver them. Jesus said:
(John 18:33-38, NKJV)

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

You see, Jesus didn't just come as a King, but as the King of Kings! He didn't come to establish a new earthly kingdom here on earth cause that will mean to overthrow governments and cause wars but no! He came to establish a Kingdom not of thia world. Because he said:

"Heaven and EARTH shall PASS AWAY"

So, why establish a Kingdom that will pass away?

Lukuluku69:
Please give me references where Jesus was called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting father and the Prince of peace in the Old and New Testament!

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No problem! The same passage that referred to Jesus as THE SON of God and was confirmed by other scriptures is the same passage that I will give you.

Why? Cause NOBODY was called the son of God apart from JESUS

So, Isaiah 9:5-7 (KJV)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice.

Lukuluku69:
Increase in which government? The Throne of David? While Jesus was here, Herod, an Idumean (Edom) sat on David Throne and Jesus was dragged before that same seat for judgement.

Again JESUS didn't come to contend for a throne on Earth. Why?

Because His is the King of an everlasting throne.

As the Psalms says:
Psalm 45:6

Your throne O God will last forever!

And it says in Psalms 103:19
His kingdom rules over all.

You see, that kingdom which is also a government is a government of God that rules over all and so, there won't be any end to it's increase!

It's funny you know, expecting the SON of GOD to drag Man-made thrones and man made kingdoms!

Lukuluku69:
Did Jesus ever judge between anyone? You remember the brother that came to him to judge between him and his brother? What was Jesus response to him?

12:13: "Someone in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.'" (NIV)
12:14: "Jesus replied, 'Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?'"
12:15: "Then he said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.'" (NIV)

I'll do two things here

1. Explain that scripture
2. Show you verses where Jesus Judged.

1. To explain the scripture:

The man that came to Jesus was seeking for Jesus to divide properties. It was mischievous. Why? Because the man was a disciple of Jesus while his brother was not. He was seeking a favourable judgement and then. In matters like this, the judge must me consented by both parties. The brother wasn't even there and didn't consent to Jesus sharing their father's properties.

So, Jesus said "NO" It would have been completely wrong for Jesus to share the properties.

2. Now, let me give you instances where Jesus judged and passed judgement in the Bible

A) The story of Mary and Martha. Jesus was asked to instruct Martha but he said "Martha has chosen what is best and it will not be taken away from her"

B) Judgment on the Religious Leaders:

In Matthew 23, Jesus delivers a series of scathing rebukes beginning with "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" He calls them "blind guides" and "serpents," directly condemning their practices and motives. He concludes by asking, "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33, NKJV).

(C) The final nail on the coffin: Jesus said the FATHER HAS ENTRUSTED ALL JUDGEMENT TO HIM!

John 5:22-23, "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father" (NKJV).

Lukuluku69:
We will come to the Isaiah you quoted after we finish with Deuteronomy 18:18.

So, who was the Prophet "like unto" Moses that that verse talked about?

Do you know or not?

Has that Priphet come or he is still being awaited?

See, you need to be calm and meek before you can learn.

You see, MOSES used the words "like unto me" because

1. Jesus was coming to save the Jews and also the whole world; just like God used Moses to save the Israelites from Pharaoh.

2. Just LIKE Moses was initially rejected by his own people, Jesus also will be rejected first before he is now later accepted; something that has ben proven to be true!


3. Moses used the words "like" because JESUS IS NOT A PROPHET! He has the similar characteristics of Moses as a prophet, but is far greater than Moses.

That's why Hebrews says "Moses was faithful as a servant over God's house but JESUS is found of GREATER HONOR than Moses..... As he us found as a SON in all of God's house"!

You must note the use of the word "like" in the statement of Moses that said "God will raise you a prophet like me"

Like means "similar" not "the same"

And know the limitations of Moses in his ability to see into the future. The future Abraham longed to see.

You see MOSES did not have a clear depiction and wasn't perfect.(You know God killed him because he disobeyed? I hope that one is at least in your Quran)

He only spoke to the extent at which he could. The highest he could ever phantom at that point was a prophet. But God revealed His SON as greater than MOSES just as Hebrews shows.

Lukuluku69:
You guys are so confused, Pity is having pity on you!

Read Deuteronomy 18:18

Deuteronomy 18:18-20 (KJV) I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

When Muslims say the Priphet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18 is Prophet Muhammad, you Christians will be quick to claim it for Jesus 😆

Depending on the twist you want to let fly, he can be a Prophet when you want him to be and he can be a god when you want him to be.

Continue o.

The fact of the matter is this: The people Jesus lived amongst considered him a Prophet as those verses portrayed and innever reaf anywhere Jesus ever corrected them that he is God and that they should stop addressing him as a Prophet.

I like where where headed.

1. The fact that people saw Jesus as a prophet doesn't mean they're correct. They also called him a drunkard and a glutton. They were wrong.

The fact remains that the reason JESUS was killed is because he calmed to be THE SON OF GOD!

FULL STOP.

Now unto the verse you posted:

Moses never knew about Jesus in full. In fact Abraham knew little about Jesus. That is why Jesus said "Abraham longed to see my day" and "before Abraham was I AM" how Dan Moses fully depict one who was before him and even before Abraham was given birth to?

Moses qualified Jesus with the highest honor he could think of. That is why later on when other Prophets came like Isaiah, they called Jesus the Son if God.

Isaiah said: Unto us a SON is born, Unto us a Child is given. The government shall be in his shoulders. His name will be called........ Everlasting Father, Mighty God!!


But that was not even Moses point. What Moses was trying to tell the Israelites was that "the stone that was rejected will be one the Chief cornerstone"

Just as Moses was rejected and then later became the savior of the Israelites from the hands of pharaoh, Jesus the sin of GOD will be rejected by then but will be their savior.

JESUS IS NOT ISA!

If you want to call Isa a prophet, that's fine. Nobody is dragging that with you. But you must know that [b]Islam came 600 years after Christianity [/b]and can not dictate what the name of Jesus is!

JESUS IS NOT ISA. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

AntiChristian:
Terrorism is the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to incite fear, coerce governments, or intimidate societies, generally to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals.

I don't see a Muslim or Christian. He's either a terrorist or not!

Only that the top 20 terrorist groups in the world are Muslims terrorists groups to further the cause of Islam.

So we can call them Muslim terrorists!

Lukuluku69:
Go right ahead and "ban" me! Lol

Duhncee, answer the question.

When your forerunners kill and burn at the stake those who challenged the Bible, what spirit was leading them?

Thus is the issue with you muslims. You have left the real issue.

Let's stay on point.

1. Do you condemn the action of the preacher?

2. The matters you are referring to was an internal issue in Christianity that has ended when christians killed christians. Not Christians killing Muslims.

Unlike now that Sunni Muslims are killing Shia Muslims as seen in the El-Zak Zaky case in Kaduna.

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 21:11: "And the crowds were saying, 'This is the prophet, Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee'" (ESV).
Luke 7:16: "...They glorified God, saying, 'A great prophet has arisen among us!'".


Luke 24:19: "...Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people".


John 4:19: The Samaritan woman says to Jesus, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet".


John 6:14: "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world".


Mark 6:4: Jesus refers to himself as a prophet, stating, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown...".


Acts 3:22 & 7:37: Peter and Stephen identify Jesus as the fulfillment of Moses' prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15: "The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren...".

The verses above, are they also insulting JC as the Jews would call him?

In all the verses you quoted none was said by Jesus himself.

Meaning Jesus never called himself a prophet.

The first one was that people THOUGHT he was a prophet. There wasn't anything greater than a prophet at that time UNTIL THE SON OF GOD CAME.

Secondly, the phrase"a prophet is not without honor except in his own town...." Is a saying of the Jews similar to a proverb inferring that Jesus wasn't honored in his own hometown.

Lastly, the last verse you quoted in Acts shows Moses saying the Lord will raise a "prophet" like me.

Shows the manner in which God will reveal Jesus. Meaning that he will first be rejected. That verse never said the Messiah will be a prophet.

But what we have in the bible is that the reason JESUS was KILLED is that he referred to himself as THE SON OF GOD!

Now stop this blasphemy! Respect our religion!

JESUS IS NOT ISA!

goody234:
Let them try now the us miscalculated they are paying the price for their stupidity ..let them go there they will be sitting ducks

Two US destroyers are already IN the straits clearing the mines.

Now, it's time for the US to boss other countries around by blocking it.

They already entered. Why didn't the IRGC fire missiles at the destroyers.

You would have know why it's called a "destroyer"

Person wey pass you, pass you.

PigTormentor:
Trash as usual. Keep believing all those made up stories.

Pig tormentor but na you dem dey torment.

stuffs2002:
LOL...

It was fake news. American military will never try to enter the straight of homouze

Take it easy with your tears. The news has been confirmed by multiple credible sources.

frankson1:
They did all these but chickened out when they were asked to open the strait of Hormuz 😀😀 you really skipped the last part.

They're some thing you need to know and be reminded of.

1. The straits of Hormuz is international waters. You guys are led to believe it belongs to Iran; it doesn't.

2. The only person that chickened out is Iran. After saying consistently that they are not involved in any talks and will not be involved in any talks, the sent 4 oil ships to the USA just to prove that they have the power to negotiate.

3. After Trump threatened "Bridges and power plants day" all of a sudden, they admit they are involved in talks AND OPENED THE STRAITS OF HORMUZ!

AFTER THE THREATS! If they know it was of their own will that they opened the straits then why was it OPENED few hours before their civilization was meant to END?

See, propaganda don't win wars. The supreme leader too was shouting all over Twitter a day before he was bombed.


He was so bombed, they can't find his head for burial. Apparently, they'll have to bury him without his head.

What a shameful way to leave the earth.

ibedun:
The 'news' from Washington Journal is true? How? Because its on WSJ website?

What manner of people do we have in this country for christ sakes?

Have you ever heard of INDEPENDENT news? That means by a neutral party who is not US or Iran.

The US military is a paper tiger with a lot of outdated and obsolete BIG equipment that are no longer compatible with modern warfare.

Please follow independent news outlets always...........but be careful because American dollar has bought many news media channels across the world.

US Military is a paper tiger?? Lol!!

A paper tiger that killed the supreme leader within the first 24 hours of the war?

That kidnapped a sitting president within 48 hours of a military operation?

The US has the best military in the word BY FAR!

FuckYeyeMods:
Do they wear Nun regalia or hijab?
Nigeria need strict social media regulation
While US and Isreal keep pushing Christian persecution in Nigeria because Vice president Shettima also recognised State of Palestine on the floor of UNGA. Few days later, Nigeria labelled as state of particular concern.
Instead of Nigerians to understand the handwriting, Very unpatriotic influencer key in to it, because of social media monetization.
Serious, FG need to curb excesses of social media and its strong influence on how news and narrative is spread.

This actually pushes the case for christian genocide.

If it were Christians they captured, they would have KILLED them! Not kidnapped them.

God1000:
Apart from christian fanatics and extremists, no sane mind will support what Israel is doing

How do you go about bombing residential houses killing innocent civilian in their evil campaign of land grabbing

Something must be wrong with your head. Are you not the same person that posted that over 5000 buildings have been destroyed in Israel in the past few years from war?

Are those not civilian casualties?

When Hamas carried out attacks on October 7th did you speak against it?

Originalsly:
Really? So you believe with the missile attack on the US bases in the region....soldiers based in hotels in Dubai etc ... planes shot down ... missile hit on the aircraft carriers .... in all of this...only 13 soldiers died? Do you really believe this??

Yes, I do. Warfare is not done by luck.

Iran has no way of aiming precisely. Just fire rocket and inshallah.

See, The US sees these rickets coming and takes cover. It's a military bise in the MIDDLE EAST for God's sake.

Mechanisms to reduce casualties is their first strong point.

Cmanforall:
Alex Otti was in APC, wasn’t he?

Alex Otti was NEVER in the APC. Fo your findings well before talking trash online.

Originalsly:
U3

They rescued the Colonel...and we're not seeing any footage or photos of him? Isn't that strange? ..why isn't he plastered on front pages across the US? ...as a hero? ...like Jessica Lynch? According to military people....Colonels do not be riding along on combat missions.The massive rescue team included nuclear experts and a team specialized in operations involving nuclear materials. They went to snatch Irans's enriched uranium. Trump was saying it..."we need too have their enriched uranium". Don't be fooled by this massive rescue mission."He's rescued...and out of Iran" ...next few days..."he's safe... we're trying to get him out of Iran". Is it him? ...or the uranium?

If they post his picture all over the country, what if the hundreds of soldiers that flew to conduct the rescue mission.

The US will never hide the death of ONE soldier. They give them state burials. It's not like Nigeria that generals due and the president keeps mum.

dragunov:
Separatuon of powers doesn't mean enemity. Capishe?

Refusing to go on an errand for the executive dies not mean enemity. It means he knows his place as the head of a different branch if government tat should not serve as a servant of another.

Don't text to twist things.

elpaso007:
It is regulatory capture that DR wants. I believe the FG will cave in because of elections & related shenanigans.

The refinery is a business and not a charity. So I'm always baffled when folks praise them whenever their narrative is that they "reduce their prices due to love for the common man."

Whereas in plain and simple language, they're only responding to market dynamics ní FGS!
How our people do not see I can't understand sha.

A free market will help alleviate/eliminate many of the problems & disruptions in our economy today. Many of the structural constraints which have caused the extended levels of high inflation has been caused by the refusal of policymakers to adopt a market based approach to our problems.

Some of the tariffs and barriers to trade that we have in place are the very reason why inflation has been stubborn here. And the quality of life of the average Nigerian has been on downward slide each year that these tariffs persist.

From Rice, Flour, Cement, Cars to Urea and now Petrol, we have tariffs or outright bans in place for many things that have adversely impacted the common man while enriching a minute few.

Policymakers in Nigeria have been very wicked and unfair to the average Nigerian over the last 20 years due to this "local self-sufficiency slogan."

The US & KSA are the two largest producers of Crude Oil in the world, yet they both import oil in large quantities for various reasons.

UAE sits on a desert, that is millions of tonnes of sand, yet it imports sand for its construction industry. For example, the famous Burj Khalifa was built with imported sand from Australia.

The point here is, there is no crime if Dangote Refinery imports its crude too. What should matters to the average citizen is that the FGN gets the best value for Nigeria's crude, whether sold to DR or to offshore off takers.

Government should be pro-people and pro-markets, not just pro-business.

Take a look at the details of some of our tariffs/duties in the attached image, and ask yourself whether we are not tariffing ourselves to poverty? Are these guys not mad?!

Sugar and Flour have upto 70% tariffs on them, imagine if the tariffs on both is reduced to 5% - 10%? Will that not immediately impact the price of bread? Will that not put more money in people's pockets? Will it not help reduce hunger?

We need to explain fundamental economics to the average Nigerian so that they can understand the evil our policymakers are doing to us.

The matter is really tiring. Imagine a whole country, an oil producing one for that matter, tying it's energy security to one man.

Worse off, its being carried out by the same regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect us against such.

In other countries, monopolistic practices are completely ILLEGAL but no; not in Nigeria.

Tariffs are killing our standard of living.

It seems France's only job now is to condemn. Condemn this condemn that.

We'll soon rename them "country of condemnation"

They should condemn Iran and Hezbollah.