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accountable01:
rebranding Islam?
falsehood and deceit. who are you fooling?
of the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, 15-25% are radicals.
up to 25% of the professors of ur religion are radicals, killers, terrorists, suicide bombers etc.... and u come here misinterpreting your quoran trying to win converts. go and preach that to your brothers.....( BH, ISIS,Alquada,....) they are the ones that need to hear this.

why must you kids talk about what you don't know? huh? all those radicals you claim are mostly jew and Christian claiming and dressing like a Muslim but can't read Quran nor perform salat correctly. most of these organizations are used by USA.

Scholar8200:
Paste it here for all to see.
All Paul's writngs were letters to Churches, not biographies. John authored all the books bearing his name and Revelations. And in keeping with the practise then, this does not mean he was the scribe just as some of Paul's letters were written through a scribe eg Tertius wrote Romans see Romans 16:22, Jeremiah authored the book that bear his name but Baruch assisted as a scribe etc

Scholar.. you sabi lie o.. why you telling lies xef.. you for shut up for matter you don't know na.. haba Tetius ko titus ni...

www.v-a.com/bible/letters_of_the_apostles.html

Annunaki:
Talk of blind wanting to lead those that can see.

blind man = Paul. . who never knew Jesus and wrote everything that Christians believe about Jesus.

Annunaki:
Al taquiya nonsense those who are more skilled in the art of al taquiya than you have failed very woefully in fooling anybody but I must say your attempt is even more pathetic as you make it obvious you are deliberately trying to deceive us with outright lie that 'fight' means preach in islam. You must think you are addressing foools like yourself to even attempt such a glaringly obvious lie on social media. That you had to lie to defend your religion means only one thing and that is you know deep down within you that islam is false, the quoran is wrong and you are ashamed of admitting what is written in it. Kontinu to wallow in deliberate self deceit, on the last day don't say you weren't told as even mohamed that you worship is in hell right now.

you are epitome of foolishness, you ask for explanation, it was given to you and you start saying rubbish.. how will you learn xef.. educated illiterate

onetrack:
I'd at least like to know why you think sunnah.com is fake.

And please direct me to another website which has both Bukhari's and Muslim's full hadith collection online.

what is this one saying... post those Hadith here and I will analyze it

Scholar8200:
1. I am not twisting anything, I did not write those!!!
2. Prove that John was written by Paul.(Paul was a hardened pharisee as at the time Jesus was crucified so the claim of his being the author is wrong. Was he in the upper room is Acts 1?)
3. Blue highlighted is correct.
4. Black highlighted became so because the Word was made flesh and was made in fashion as a man.
5. Red highlighted is wrong, Word became Flesh John 1:14 and. I and Father are One is a truth that was declared and expatiated upon in John 17:5,21(you quoted copiously from the Bible hence you can read these on your own)

you don't even know paul wrote chapter of john.. just google Aramaic Bible written in English and follow the link with v-a

parisbookaddict:
[size=13pt] DeathStroke007's absurd argument for Islam using God's "real" name [/size]



Mr DeathStroke007 you titled ur topic

Jesus Real Name And Language Leads Straight To Islam @ https://www.nairaland.com/2862608/jesus-real-name-language-leads#41970752

But u ended up making the argument that God's name in aramaic is the similar to the Arabic pronunciation and spelling , hence leads to Islam ... U apparently ended up implying that Jesus is God. This is shocking being that u are a muslim who does not believe Jesus is God.

just read your replies to my posts ahead... got me shaking my head # got me thinking what you have done wrong for Allah to make you so blind and lost # well, you not dead yet .m you could still be a Muslim.





Allah, am using this moment to plead with You , please let me die not Just a Muslim but a mumin.. and show ways to lost souls

parisbookaddict:
[size=13pt] DeathStroke007's absurd argument for Islam using God's "real" name [/size]



Mr DeathStroke007 you titled ur topic

Jesus Real Name And Language Leads Straight To Islam @ https://www.nairaland.com/2862608/jesus-real-name-language-leads#41970752

But u ended up making the argument that God's name in aramaic is the similar to the Arabic pronunciation and spelling , hence leads to Islam ... U apparently ended up implying that Jesus is God. This is shocking being that u are a muslim who does not believe Jesus is God.

how you people think is really shocking..



where did i call Jesus god o.. the worst of evil doer is who misleads people...

Scholar8200:
Nice observation! Does it contradict John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

why twisting everything.. john was even wrote by paul... a verse said he's one with father.. means dey are equal.. or spiritually joined or linked .. and same verse.. also said father is greater than I..


word is flesh and so on only relates with i and father are one

[quote author=Scholar8200 post=42097571]Let me add:

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the [b]glory of God the Father.
[/b]Phil.2:9-11[/qu


all i want to my question is yes or no

Scholar8200:
Good question!!!

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in[b] fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b]

Phil.2:6-8

so you saying Jesus is god and god was born and god died on cross and god disappeared for days before showing himself to Mary Magdalene and god was beaten by people before he got crucified?

Scholar8200:
Good question!!!

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in[b] fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b]

Phil.2:6-8

.you haven't answered my question still.. besides.. it's Paul who never see Jesus that wrote the chapter of phik

Scholar8200:
I know the meaning and that is why I knew you were wrong but give your source first.

you so confident to say am wrong.. go copy and paste the greek original word in that verse and let's check it's meaning in greek dico

Scholar8200:
On the cross, the real death took place: Separation from God due to sin! From the beginning, He never experienced this hence the prayer, hence the strengthening. That is why when that separation happened, He cried out on the cross and gave up the Ghost shortly!

ok.. if Jesus was really on that cross, why is his last words are different? what was reported to be his last words on the cross is different according to bible

Scholar8200:
Besides, show me where you got that Church = Congregation from. It is wrong!

you don't even know your own scripture.. go find the word translated into Church by English people in greek Bible and check it's real meaning

Scholar8200:
That's not true. He already said to His disciples:


Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 18:31-33


This was not the first time Christ prayed at night. He did so before selecting the 12. This was the final phase of His earthly ministry and the very thought of separation from the Father was unbearable hence the prayer hence the strengthening by the angel.


Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

if it's true? why did he pray to God to save him from the gentiles?

Scholar8200:
At this point, the Word had been made flesh hence I find it preposterous when folks request for where He declared: I AM GOD!

chai.. see how you turn contradiction into the claim that Jesus never did claim.. ok.. lets assume your claim is right... if he's god . Who is he praying to? if he's god, why call himself son of god and servant of god

Scholar8200:
So what does the highlighted mean? I hope you noticed it's Sheol not Seoul- the former is not on Earth, the latter is. And where is Sheol? Besides raised Him from where? Their midst? And what does the binding of Sheol mean? Was Sheol the middle name of Pilate then? Did you notice the highlighted?


Hebrews 13:20
Now may the God of peace--who brought up from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great Shepherd of the sheep, and ratified an eternal covenant with his blood--

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Hebrews 12:2-4

Since you quoted Hebrews then the above too is from the same book. Do you believe them too?

The only person who applied this verse to Jesus was the devil! It is not a Messianic psalm!!!


That same servant is mentioned in Isaiah 53:6-9,11


All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

He actually died!

this one is strong... eleyi gidi gaaan.. well, believe what you want to believe.. av explained and pointed you to the right direction but you seem to prefer to keep deceiving yourself

Blackfire:
o ma se o, Iran were loti jade. Igbawo lo kuro ni yabaleft?

e pain am... lol

Scholar8200:
So why are you asking which Church Jesus belonged to as though church=denominational building?

because church and congregation are very two different things.. every Christian belong to a church.. while jesus never belonged or start any church

Scholar8200:
Let's start from here. What is the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the OT?

you tell me..

Scholar8200:
There have been many, you wont be the first, nor the last.

many? are you saying am telling lies against Bible or what?

Scholar8200:
You appear to mistake the building to be the church. That is wrong.

And I tell you, you are [e]Peter [Greek, Petros—a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra—a [f]huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the [g]infernal region) shall [h]not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it].
Matthew 16:18 spoken by Jesus

Wahala wa o.. so Jesus knew hades? Do you know that hades is a greek god?.. and the translation of the word translated into Church is CONGREGATION

Scholar8200:
Ask the producers of that version. (A caveat on them has been on for some time now perhaps you did not see it.). Many versions are still faithful to the source.

lol

Annunaki:
Of course my brain if far better than the contents of your quoran. Even a primary school student won't write such rubbish.

laughing... this is terrible

Blackfire:
do u and your papa bear the same name ? Yet u are the same, u re the reflection of your father, while your father is your mirror. . For example u are deathstroke007 your father maybe weedstroke007 .

Now ask me what is a son and a father ?

laughing in Chinese........ wayray re o..

Annunaki:
Explain quoran 9:29-30 and quoran 8:39 for me first without using al taquiya before I decide if you are worth my time debating with.

Quran 9 = The repentance


29-30


28. O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad )! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad ) are Najasun (impure) . So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

30. And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!



Now 29-30 .. said fight against those that do not believe in Allah.. but do you know what that fight mean? is it fight as in war or fight as in preaching the gospel to them and doing good deeds? the answer to that fight rests in the
Quran footnotes called commentary...

Now the commentary....


the answer is here.. it's in comprehensive form.. go read..

theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_929_commentary









quran 8:39


38. Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).

39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do


And also the fight in this verse... do you think it means fight as in war? the answer to the fight here is in the Quran commentary of this verse...



www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/329-yusuf-estes-correcting-quran-misquotes

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Annunaki:
The one I proved to you from quoran and hadith, what did you do with it apart from resorting to usual muslim insults.

o ya prove it using your brains please

Annunaki:
There are 109 violence/terror inspiring verses in the quoran and hundreds more in sahih hadiths. Are you sure you will not resort to your normal islamic insults if we start listing them here?

you seriously ain't worth debating with. you said lots of things about Muhammad.. i told you to prove it. now saying violent verses in Quran

parisbookaddict:
Ok. Look, if I prove it to you, showing you quran and hadith passages , will you leave Islam. ??

yh

Annunaki:
I want only the truth from you which is to confess that mohamed was a fraud, the quoran is full of thrash and islam is satan's religion.

ok... that's your claims about Islam right?.. now support your claims with Quran or Hadith