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kallmemrB:good.. let me prove you wrong.. 1. cele bow their head in worshiping God? does it correlate with the first picture i posted? does it correlate with the 3rd and 4th picture? you don't just bow your head straight.. you stand, bow, stand again then prostrate.. and cele sing songs and dance to worship and praise God! 2. Islam has been in existence since the creation of mankind.. Abraham worshipped God same way we Muslims do.. Do you ever read anything about Abraham going to church or to temple to dance and sing hymns or so? all you can see is prostration... Only islam has prostration in her mode of worshipping Allah. 3. Knee down and pray? who talk am? na Jesus? did he ever knee down and pray? go to silent place and pray.. church na silent place? shrine na silent place? In all religions, it's only mosque that's a silent place of worship. 4. Islam is not a religion of peace because of terrorism branded to Islam right? Tell me, which verse in Quran allow killings of Muslim, Christians, idol worshippers, kids, women, killing oneself (suicide) "unjustly " ? no single verse in Quran support them... Because you dress like a Muslim doesn't make you a Muslim.... Jesus Prince Of Peace? Prince of peace that killed a innocent fig tree.. abi.. tsw lastly... the language of the word doesn't matter.. it's it meaning... Jesus spoke Aramaic, Aramaic has their word which means Peace Be Onto You.. but it's translated as Shalom.. Since Quran was revealed in Arabic... it's the meaning that's in question not language... so ti ye e omo cele |
TruthHurts1:OMG! na human dey reason like this?... well, it's your knowledge i will use against you.. you said God is a spirit.. na Jesus talk am? Using normal logic, spirit is a being that exists in human world.. do you think spirit exist in aliens world? do you think spirit exist in the jins world? God has no single similarities with human being..... you said bowing down or so don't mean in religion... it's act of worship that distinguishes every single religion from each other.. it's like it's gender that distinguishes man from woman... without a unique distinguishing practice, religion will not be religion but free thinkers... linking Christianity is just to show you guys the truth about those stupid things una believe |
TruthHurts1:if there is another word worse than fool... you should be referred to... despite seeing clean and clear evidence from the 3 religions, you still saying relating them together is a fraud.. you said Jesus practiced Judaism... your proof.. |
true2god:point out the lies and deceit.. #lobatan.. explain it to me then.. using your common sense and relate it to those verses |
SalC:laughing.... From Allah.. To Angel Jubril.. From jubril to Prophet Muhammad (through recitation) From Prophet Muhammad to the whole world (through reciting it to his followers and during salats.. most people cramed it.. when some of the people that cramed are getting killed in war.. all the recitation get documented. NB: some of the followers knows Quran entirely off hand)..... satisfied? |
What's amazing is that no follower of Jesus ever worshipped God or pray to God in prostration... AND THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE IN BIBLE WHERE JESUS WAS DESCRIBED EXACTLY HOW HE PRAYED AND WORSHIPPED GOD |
Jesus and all of the Prophets before him prayed the same as Muslims pray today When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (may peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the Prophets (including Jesus) prayed according to the Qur'an and Bible: "These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping." – Qur’an English Translation [19:58] NOW ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.... "And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39) "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6) "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3) "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17) "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34: ![]() “And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6) "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22) And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6) "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14) "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Ezekiel 9: ![]() "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (2 Chronicles 20:18) "And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Ezekiel 11:13) So although some people may admit : “Ok, yea these verses speak of Jesus and the other Prophets prostrating themselves in prayer but we still don't know the exact details on how they prostrated and/or if they did so in the same manner as Muslims do today?” However, using common sense I would have to challenge anyone to give an example of how any of these Prophets could have "fell on their face" i.e. prostrated in any other position than the way Muslims do... check out the first picture uploaded Also, some people may further state: “If the style of prayer was truly important I would assume that the Torah and/or Jesus would have pointed that out directly.” Again, I think this question can be answered with simple reasoning. If a person acknowledges someone as God's chosen Prophet, then wouldn't you think intuitively that the way in which that Prophet prayed would be the best example for all of mankind to follow. And if a true follower and believer of that Prophet doesn't adapt to the way in which that Prophet worships then how can anyone justify that this Prophet was sent from God to guide Mankind in the first place, yet not even worship God in a like manner? The Prophets are supposed to be the ideal examples on how to live one's life on Earth. Many Christians who convert to Islam today testify that they are now better "Christians" for doing so. The word "Christian" simply means "a follower of Christ" or "Christ-ian". So how are these people who are now professing Muslims claiming to be closer follower's of Jesus. Let's think about this logically by examining what the Bible says of Jesus. For example, if we read the gospels we will see accounts of Jesus where he prayed with his face to the ground, greeted his fellow believers with expressions of peace, and fasted for lengthy amounts of time. Now honestly ask yourself, who truly follows Jesus' example today? As you may know, Muslims pray humbly with their forehead touching the ground at least five times a day...Also, Muslims always greet each other with the phrase "Peace be upon you" as mentioned in the previous section...and further more just as Jesus fasted for 40 days in the wilderness Muslims fast for an entire month during the month of Ramadan. Indeed many former Christians acknowledge that they were Muslims in every sense of the word before discovering the confirmation of their natural beliefs within the text of the Qur'an. You see mankind's disposition of monotheism is inseparable from the human psyche. This innate phenomena in Islam is termed "Al-fitra." "Now have We caused the Word to reach them themselves, in order that they may receive admonition. Those to whom We sent the Book before this,- they do believe in this (revelation): And when it is recited to them, they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will) from before this. Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them." – Qur’an English Translation [28:51-54] To Pray as an a Ancient Jew Furthermore, In a book entitled "To Pray as a Jew" I found a lengthy explanation of the Prayers as done by the ancient Jews and few of the contemporary Jews. In this book the author put diagrams showing the movement and positions during the prayer. One look at these illustrations is enough for the Muslims to realize the similarity of the prayers of the Jews then and Salat Prayer as practiced by the Muslims. check out the 2nd picture.. and 3rd picture In his comment about these positions, the author wrote: "In most contemporary congregations very few people keep to the tradition of falling prostrate. Sometimes it is only the Prayer leader and the rabbi who does so. In more traditional congregations, however, some worshipers, men and women, will join the Prayer Leader and rabbi in the act of prostrating themselves. In Israeli synagogues, the practice is more widespread than in synagogues elsewhere. Since this is a position that we are unaccustomed to, one who has never done this before might very well demur. But once accomplished, the experience provides such a spiritual uplift that one looks forward to repeating it. Those willing to try this ancient ritual form on the rare occasions that call for it might welcome the following diagrams of the correct procedure" Now compare the above diagram to the daily Islamic Prayer (Salah): check out the 4th picture It is also interesting to learn from this book that the prayers of the Jews involve wash before the prayers, (like Wuduu or ablution for Muslims), and the call for Prayers (like the Azan for the Muslims). Here's the case in point of the entire page: Muslims follow the Religion OF Jesus; the faith that he spoke of and practiced. Likewise, We worship The same God that he worshipped; The God of Abraham and The God of all of the Prophets whom lived on Earth. Whereas today some people who claim to follow the way of Jesus, Abraham, and Moses (peace be upon them) have deviated from the path. And in the case of Christianity, people have mistakenly created an entire faith about the Prophet Jesus and thus have made him into something that he never claimed to be. "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but an upright Muslim (one who submitted their will to God)." – Qur’an English Translation [3:67] Reference: Title: To pray as a Jew : a guide to the prayer book and the synagogue service Author: Donin, Hayim Publisher: New York : Basic Books, c1980 Paging xxii, 384 p. : ill. ; 25 cm
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Annunaki:laughing.... Quran is pure and not corrupted... the prove is that there's no single contradiction in Quran |
malvisguy212:It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and the Christians; they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” He said that as he was dying, as a warning to his ummah against doing what they did. When Umm Salamah told him of a church that she had seen in Ethiopia and the images therein, he said: “Those people, if a righteous man among them died, they would build a place of worship over his grave. They are the most evil of people before Allaah.” And it was narrated from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among the most evil of people upon whom the Hour will come when they are still alive are those who take graves as places of worship.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad with a jayyid isnaad. The believer should not accept to follow the ways of the Jews and the Christians, or to be among the most evil of people. satisfied? |
malvisguy212:very good question.... that practice no longer exist in modern day Christians.. but surely does exist in those days |
Annunaki:egbami ke.. ok.. I will post it all for you here.. the fight in those verses doesn't mean fight as in war or killings... 28. O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad )! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad ) are Najasun (impure) . So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30. And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! now let's use logic and reasoning to explain this verse if you read those 3 verses and relate it with each other.. you will see that the fight do not means war.. if it's war or killings ... instead of UNTIL THEY PAY JIZYA AND FEELING SUBDUED.. IT WILL BE UNTIL THEY ARE ALL DEAD.. 37. In order that Allah may distinguish the wicked (disbelievers, polytheists and doers of evil deeds) from the good (believers of Islamic Monotheism and doers of righteous deeds), and put the wicked (disbelievers, polytheists and doers of evil deeds) one on another, heap them together and cast them into Hell. Those! it is they who are the losers. 38. Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning). 39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do. 40. And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Maula (Patron, Lord, Protector and Supporter, etc.), (what) an Excellent Maula, and (what) an Excellent Helper! using our logic again.... if it's war or killings that the fight there means... in the 40th verse.. instead of If they turn away, then know that Allah is your Maula... it will be if they turn away, find them and kill them will replace the second sentence after the sentence break, "then know Allah is your Maula" a good example of another fight in Quran which doesn't mean killings is ... fight in the way Cause of Allah with your wealth and life... means spend your money in the path of Allah and spend your strength in the path of Allah.. path of Allah means helping mankind... |
Ovacoma:laughing |
malvisguy212:tell me what he accused them of.. i know you wella.. am ready to debunk all your lies on NL |
Medicis:you will ask Allah on judgement day.. it's like you saying why did Allah make Jesus Christ a miracle by birth and yet his kinsmen wants to kill him despite his truths and preachings |
SalC:most of you knows absolutely nothing about Islam. Prophet Muhammad receives word of Allah through revelation.. he recites it.. his followers crams it.. later it was documented |
Annunaki:you claim it's written all over quran and you haven't quote just one out of the quran.. quote it here and let's see ea |
malvisguy212:word of advice.. never venture into what you have knowledge not in. do you have in depth knowledge on grave matters in islam?? let me say i accept your claims. if expansion of mosque is needed, Prophet Muhammad grave would have to be moved to another place . since the grave is moved, it's no longer a grave site.. and mosque can be expanded .. do you understand? |
Annunaki:please quote the Hadith ooooooo |
Annunaki:laughing hysterically... i don die.. scribes? we no have scribes.. we have sahabahs.. your matter don tire me |
malvisguy212:wiki again.. laughing.. wahala wa o.. so you saying mosque is built on grave of Prophet Muhammad? you be fool of life.. go YouTube and watch makkah mosque video.. you will see where Prophet Muhammad tomb is.. barricade in golden bars.. |
Annunaki:please post just one out of the hundreds proofs .. taqiyya ain't practiced by real Muslims. taqiyya is lies. islam forbid lies. kitman.. means hiding one's iman and belief in Allah due to the victimization of the unbelievers And why quote wiki.. wiki na Quran or Hadith? fool of life |
Annunaki:dealing with retards ain't easy o.. you said his deeds.. deeds you have no proof for.. bring proof that Mohammed is violent.. from Quran or Hadith.. |
Annunaki:like i said... you are not educated. essence of argument or Debate is to learn.. i gave you proofs and explanations and u refuse to read.. OYO lo wa |
the author of that picture is as ignorant as you.. no shred of knowledge in both of you... if you wanna debate.. have proof... according to bible.. Jesus is not god nor son of god... i have my proof which is Bible.. you just only talk at random.. are you sure you are educated sha? i doubt it.. |
Annunaki:taqiyya isn't in islam. and it has been treated on NL if you know about Islam . you will know that isis isn't islam. and you said Mohammed is violent and you have no solid proof for it. i no go follow you talk.. when you have adequate knowledge about Islam and terrorism.. quote me again.. |
busar:which area |
Annunaki:Wahala wa o... you never even visited the link.. if you want knowledge, go find it.. if you afraid of knowing the truth about those Quran verses.. stick to your odd believe about the verse.. either way, you lose.. |
drnoel:you no get sub? or no mosque for your area.. wea you fit go ask alfa or imam.. anyways, get a Quran that's with commentaries and read... those fight doesn't mean war.. means strive.. sey you hear |
malvisguy212:Mr Man, you ask a good question... Muslims are allowed to visit grave but not to worship grave nor build mosque on grave. mecca masjid wasn't built on Prophet Muhammad grave. satisfied? |
Annunaki:Paul? Holy Spirit? why was he beheaded then! ... for your information, Prophet Muhammad cannot read nor write.... so Jesus isn't god.. he's son of god |
Scholar8200:ehn ehn.. paul beheaded? so that guy na lair abi.. d Christian who owns the site ...laughing |
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? no single verse in Quran support them... Because you dress like a Muslim doesn't make you a Muslim.... Jesus Prince Of Peace? Prince of peace that killed a innocent fig tree.. abi.. tsw 
Meanwhile it's a document fact that mohamed had scribes