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patrickmuf:
Before now, point to a post where you acknowledged that Ronaldo was greater than Messi because he had won the Euros or is the argument now changing because Messi has a senior international trophy?

"Show us Messi's International trophy" has been a slogan by Ronaldo's fans over the years. When we showed them his individual trophy, they'll ask and demand for Messi's pictures in Argentina shirt.

There's a reason Cruyff is a level below Maradona and Pele in GOAT standards

A player's greatness is measured by how good he was on the field, his influence in key games, and his trophy cabinet for both club and Country.

patrickmuf:
Also, whilst KDB has not won any international trophy, you cannot say he isn't amongst the best ATM...

KDB is an excellent player. However, if he ends up not winning UCL or any trophy for his all star NT, posterity will judge him and place him below Xavi, Iniesta and Pirlo.

There's a reason why Argentine players threw Messi to the skies after Copa victory. Everyone knows that Messi is a better player than CR7, however, there's a reason why Ronaldo fans have shut their mouths since the past 3 weeks.

IKON360:

I think, you don't just like Gerrard. That's it, you don't like him at all.

I'm just stating the facts. No hating. How can someone without a league title in his career, and also let his nation down on numerous occasions be on the same line with Xavi, Iniesta and Pirlo?

If this is not overrating, tell us what it is.

myami:
modric was a fringe player in 2007. Kranjcar and co stopped england

Oga Modric played the whole 90 minutes. How is that a fringe player?

IKON360:
You won't use only the national team as basis to compare these players na, Modric has never won an international trophy and will most likely never do so. Gerrard was basically wallowing in a pool of badluck with Liverpool because for a lot of his career was freaking phenomenal for Liverpool, as an 8, as a 10 and as Deep lying playmaker, just for you to get his versatility. And he was brilliant playing all these roles. So I don't get how you want to use only national team triumphs to criticize a phenomenal player

Gerrard was actually the badluck and the weak point. He contributed massively to England's loss at euro 2004.
When Liverpool was at the brink of league title, he made sure that that didn't happen by slipping in front of Demba Ba.
Who can forget his header and pass to Uruguay's Suarez at the WC? A world class blunder!

Just under 5 years of leaving Liverpool, they won the EPL and UCL.

Watch this video below if you have forgotten.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVPypAiIXLI

IKON360:
The same Modric that Fede Valverde has been outshining for the past two seasons?
Modric in his prime wasn't better than Gerrard or Scholes

While Modric dragged less fancied Croatia to WC final by winning Golden Ball, Gerrard was busy making sure England were beaten at Euro 2004 by giving a back pass to Thierry Henry of France.

Modric at age 22 ensured that England with peak Lampard and peak Gerrard didn't qualify for Euro 2008. He helped Croatia beat England at Wembley.

How can NT flops be placed alongside gods like Xavi, Iniesta, Zidane, Pirlo, Kross, Modric

GrammarNazi1:
He knows exactly your point but I, too, disagree with you.

It is not always about trophies, yet it is about your contribution to trophy wins.

Xavi and Iniesta contributed hugely to lots of club and international trophies. How then is it not about trophies and how the players contributed to them?

Kindly mention the lots of trophies that Scholes, Gerrard, and Lampard contributed hugely to.

Exactly! God bless you.

FirstbornWds:
Una no try o

Na you no try at all. You dropped a very controversial picture and hid in the shadows to observe debate, instead of joining us.

samistry:
Aew recap coming this week.

Once I sight CM Punk and Daniel Bryan at AEW, I'm done with WWE.

devvy44:
He was never there.

He was there in 2005 after the instanbul night.

patrickmuf:
You are just turning tables...You said Gerard, Scholes and Lampard are overrated, I said they aren't and should be respected for what they achieved but somehow, you have changed what I said to mean that they're gods...

No vex. I'm reacting to the pictures posted by FirstbornWds.

devvy44:
Gerard has never been on the balon d’or podium

He was

patrickmuf:
Most top players have had their down moments too...You don't want us to start listing them...Schweinsteiger,Messi, Zidane etc...

Yet Schweinsteiger and Zidane were placed below Lampard and Gerrard. E tire me o.

patrickmuf:
He finished 3rd on the Balon d'or podium and Lampard finished 2nd...Is that not an individual award?

I only said you were wrong to class them below their peers, don't misquote or misrepresent my opinion...

So because they entered top 3, they are gods? This is the scam we are talking about. Hype hype hype.

Didn't Owen win Balon d or? That should tell you something.

devvy44:
Liverpool got to 2 Ucl finals between 2005 & 2007, Made the semis 2009 yet you say they don’t have world class players?

Where was Madrid when Liverpool did this?

Liverpool had the title right in front of them before the same Gerard slipped and allowed demba ba score and Liverpool eventually went on to lose the title

How can we forget that day?

Same as giving a back pass to Henry in dying minutes at Euro 2004 to give England a big loss in the match.

patrickmuf:
You're the one trying to slander Gerard so, asking me what he did that others didn't do is akin to you turning the table around...My argument has always been that Gerard, Lampard and Scholes are deserving of any accolades they get just as the others you listed...

Talking about national team trophies, even with the Copa America win, aren't they folks who still undermine the achievements of Messi? It is what it is...

Yet, you are the one acknowledging Gerrard as a god of midfield. A player who never won any league title and didn't make his nation proud.

patrickmuf:
Carragher world class? He wasn't...

Mascherano, Alonso, Torres were world class as was Suarez who joined after Torres had left...

You can't compare the players Gerard played with with those of Real Madrid, Barcelona or even Manchester United...

List the world class players aside old Batistuta that played with Totti when he dragged them to the league title in the presence of Juventus, Milan and Inter.

Gerrard was surrounded by World class players, yet he couldn't win the league.

patrickmuf:
We are not comparing teams but players...I am dead sure before the COPA win, you already believed Messi was the greatest even though Pele and Maradona have the their respective world cup medals in their cabinet...I do not rate players based on trophies but based on their individual abilities and that's why I don't agree when you attempt to talk down on Scholes, Gerard and Lampard just cos they don't play football in a certain way...

Messi not winning a trophy for his NT was a stigma in his career and we all knew this. If he had retired without winning a trophy, many people would place him below Ororo.

Lampard and Gerrard won just one UCL each. Gerrard has zero league title. Both didn't achieve anything for their country. How can you place them with Kaka, Pirlo Xavi, Iniesta and Kross?

What exactly did Gerrard do that Totti didn't do better? Or is it Schweinstiger or even Xabi Alonso?

FirstbornWds:
Kaka wasn't consistent. Maybe if Zidane wasn't more of the 90s part, he definitely would be tops.

This century started in 2000. Yes, Zidane won Euro, UCL, La liga and WC finalist with multiple Balon d or this century. Yes, Zidane is a god in this century.

Kaka won UCL, WC and Balon d or this century. He's right above Lampard and Gerrard

patrickmuf:
Gerard cemented his legend status in that night in Istanbul...

Just one night shey? Gerrard scored just one goal in the match. That's one UCL. Zero league, zero trophy for NT.

Now compare to Real gods like Iniesta, Xavi, Kross, Pirlo. Multiple UCL winners and WC

patrickmuf:
Cruyff is rated highly, what exactly did he win with the Netherlands?

It's not every player that must be pleasing on the eyes, some footballers are very direct doesn't mean they're not good enough...

Totti is revered in the world of football, you won't say because he didn't win the UCL he was not a top performer...Pray tell, if Totti wasn't so loyal and joined Madrid when they. wanted him, wouldn't he have won the UCL? It's the same scenario with Gerard...

You can't compare Totti with Gerrard. Never. Totti spent his entire career at club level with average players and old Batistuta and still dragged Roma to the league title. By the time he played with great players, he won the WC and reached Euro Final.

Gerrard has always been surrounded by world class players both at club and NT. He was a flop in Euro 2004 when his error helped France beat England. At club level, he didn't win any league throughout his career.

How can you call that a midfield god when we have the likes of Zidane, Kaka and Kross

GrammarNazi1:
Lampard and Gerard were extremely good, but they are below Xavi and Iniesta.

Aside Xavi and Iniesta, I can call on Pirlo and Gattuso, Kross and Sweinsteiger, even Zidane and Makelele

They didn't put Zidane among the midfield gods. Na Lampard and Gerrard dem see.

patrickmuf:
Are you saying that if Gerard had joined Madrid, Chelsea or Manchester United, he wouldn't have won titles?

Scholes is also not overrated...

Lampard was excellent at what he did, you might not fancy his style of play but that doesn't mean he was not right up there...

So why didn't Gerrard join when they came calling especially Chelsea? For the fact that he under achieved at Liverpool means he can't be placed alongside gods like Xavi, Iniesta and Pirlo.

I'll leave Scholes alone because his style of play suits a winning team. Unfortunately, England didn't know how to use him.

As for Lampard, I can't be moved by his goal-scoring abilities. He couldn't dictate and control midfield in key matches for England. How can a loser in his NT be a football god?

IKON360:
Scholes is better than Modric and in no dream or such is Kroos better Gerrard. Or trophies are the only metric for grading players now?

When you drag a less fancied Croatia to WC final by winning the golden ball, you should be placed above Scholes who couldn't nail down 1st team shirt in the porous midfield of Gerrard and Lampard.

As for Gerrard, no league title in his career. You wanna compare that with a title winning midfield god at Bayern, Madrid and his NT?

Abeg abeg abeg

GrammarNazi1:
We should know that that they are over hyped does not mean they were not good; it just means that their brilliance is inflated.

Nobody said they were bad. But please, gods are those who won trophies for clubs and countries while being very good.

3 players from one country who couldn't help their country win a trophy for over half a century can't be called gods

Damn, they have just one UCL in their careers. How can people place them as gods?

FirstbornWds:
1. The gods of the mid-fielding of this century.

2. The second duo are just unexplainable; they had euros and World Cup in the bag

Kindly remove Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard from that list. They are simply overhyped.

1. The rest are multiple UCL winners

2. The rest won trophies for their countries

As far as this century is concerned,
Modric over Scholes
Kaka over Lampard
Kross over Gerrard

pu7pl3:
WWE RAW REVIEWS RECAPS AND REACTIONS

This might be the unpopular opinion, but I can’t help but agree with Charlotte Flair.
After her promo in ring to start the show, interrupting Nikki A.S.H. who had nice things to say about being the new champion and... still... almost a superhero (we’ll get to my feelings on that in a moment!), Flair said what a lot of people who aren’t into this gimmick say. The character of Nikki A.S.H. does not have the star power to carry this division.
That’s not to say she couldn’t! I truly do think that her super hero gimmick can be something great. But I’m confused about the messaging here. The messaging that essentially defines this character.
Nikki A.S.H. is a character that was born out of insecurity, and putting on the superhero outfit with the butterfly emblem and cape gives her the confidence to be Almost a Super Hero. She said in her opening promo that she was afraid to fail, and now she’s not afraid anymore. And she said if you believe in yourself, you can overcome and almost become a superhero.
That’s where I get confused. Because this promo is coming from the top women’s champion of the brand. So, without a championship, I can totally see someone almost being a super hero.
But... you’re still almost a super hero even with a championship? That doesn’t make much sense to me. Almost a super hero makes sense when you’re trying to attain something. When you do attain it, “almost” doesn’t fit anymore.
They’re sort of backed into a corner now with this because what are they going to do, call her Nikki S.H.?
Why I said that I don’t see the star power is because when mentioning her outfit and the butterfly (which her line about a metamorphosis in the division was great), it elicited some boos from the crowd. And it goes to prove that Nikki didn’t need this character to be champion. She’s been beloved for years. This was my worry about the character in the beginning. Let’s see how it goes to SummerSlam.

This is pure bullshit. Everything about Nikki and her packaging is rubbish. I guess A.S.H means Almost Super Hero.

I blame the management for this nonsense anyways. If you know you don't have faith on Nikki, why give her the Women's title in the 1st place?

Grade: F

White money running things while lying down.

Omo the camera should move away from the dinning table jor. What of the other places in the house?

I'm seriously suspecting white money as the wild card. Since the announcement of wild card was made, dude just lock up.

Why is white money acting like a wild card?

Louislouis:
Can the decoder be used to get other free to sir satellites like joy and 51e frequencies?

Yes, but SOLD